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1. 06:27 AM - Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (kitfoxmike)
2. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (Noel Loveys)
3. 09:17 AM - Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (wingnut)
4. 10:22 AM - "The thing that hath been... (Johannes Czernin)
5. 10:39 AM - Re: "The thing that hath been... (kitfoxmike)
6. 11:24 AM - Oh my God, I GOOFED! (Johannes Czernin)
7. 12:05 PM - morning flight (fluff) (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
8. 12:09 PM - Re: "The thing that hath been... (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
9. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (Randy Daughenbaugh)
10. 12:52 PM - Re: "The thing that hath been... (john oakley)
11. 01:51 PM - Re: "The thing that hath been... (Johannes Czernin)
12. 02:01 PM - Re: "The thing that hath been... (Lowell Fitt)
13. 02:39 PM - Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (n85ae)
14. 02:54 PM - Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (kitfoxmike)
15. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (john oakley)
16. 04:05 PM - Re: morning flight (fluff) (kitfoxmike)
17. 05:58 PM - Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (wingnut)
18. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (john oakley)
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
I thought I would add this, might help. Go down and buy one of those camper levelers
and stick it on your left door. If you have a tail wheel then while it
sits on the ground level the bubble and stick it on the front of the door in
the middle, that way when you come in to land you can get the proper pitch and
adjust the throttle to land. If you have a nose wheel, then block up the nose
to that pitch you want for a good landing on the mains, then stick the level
on the door. You can either hit level during the flair, or level and then do
a soft field landing, that's where you use the throttle to land after setting
pitch. hope this helps.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
I think the idea is basically a good one. However I think a bubble level
will be too active to use. Maybe a fair size pendulum (2-3 in.) shaped like
an arrow head on the glass with the marks either etched into the glass or
better yet placed in position on tape.
Just an idea
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kitfoxmike
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:57 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Thoughts on stall warning device??
>
>
> <customtrans@qwest.net>
>
> I thought I would add this, might help. Go down and buy one
> of those camper levelers and stick it on your left door. If
> you have a tail wheel then while it sits on the ground level
> the bubble and stick it on the front of the door in the
> middle, that way when you come in to land you can get the
> proper pitch and adjust the throttle to land. If you have a
> nose wheel, then block up the nose to that pitch you want for
> a good landing on the mains, then stick the level on the
> door. You can either hit level during the flair, or level
> and then do a soft field landing, that's where you use the
> throttle to land after setting pitch. hope this helps.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
> building
> RV7a
> slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
> "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA
> then you're not flying enough"
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128917#128917
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
Is the reading on level or a pedulum the same as angle of attack? Stall is a question
of AOA rather than level right? Your AOA at a given "level" is going to
be higher in a turn then it is going strait. A proper stall warning will let
you know when you're about to stall regardless of orientation.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | "The thing that hath been... |
... is the thing that will be, and there is no new thing under the sun!"
(Willam Shakespeare)
Hi, Mike,
This posting of yours really has kicked me to come out from my lurking
status here on the list. Is that guy Kelly Meiste for real?
A good 20 years ago a man named Morgan Huntington made all the rage
throughout the Aviation press with an invention he named the "Lift Reserve
Indicator". When I began planning for the Kitfox I started to build in 1994
I closely studied that device because local regulations in my country insist
on even homebuilt airplanes be equipped with a stall detector.
At that time Mr. Huntington was an elderly gentleman already, living
somewhere in California if I remember correctly. I even contacted him
personally and we had several cordial and highly educational exchanges of
letters back and forth on various aspects of his gadget. Eventually however
I changed my plans and did not purchase from him. Since then I have lost any
contact with him, and I honestly doubt he could still be alive.
On reading your posting I did a quick Google search and after just a few
attempts I came up with this Web site:
http://www.liftreserve.com/
These people, located in Ohio, seem to be building and selling the true
thing - just have a look at their prices! As far as I get the impression it
must be a fairly new enterprise as their site seems still in construction.
The material displayed, however, is the entire bunch of articles,
references, discussions, and even drawings, from good old Mr. Huntington's
place.
I would hate to hurt anyone's feelings....... but I can't refrain from
having some slight doubts here!
Let's wait a few days and see if anyone else in the Kitfox crowd chimes in!
King reards to y'all on the List,
Johannes
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> Gibbs
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 6:58 AM
> To: Kitfox List
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Meiste Lift Reserve info
>
>
> Posted on behalf of Randy Daughenbaugh
>
> Mike G.
> List Mom
> N728KF
>
> ---
>
> Thanks to Mike Perkins for Kelly's email address. I wrote to him for
> more info and really like what he sent.
>
> I am getting one. I for one would like to know that I am getting
> close to stall before any of the signs appear and with the analog
> gage I will have that info.
>
> Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH
> Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
> Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
> Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip
> Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kelly Meiste [mailto:kellymeiste@jcwifi.com]
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 11:57 AM
> To: Randy Daughenbaugh
> Subject: Re: Lift Reserve
>
> Hi Randy,
>
> I'm not sure how my name got to the Kitfox list but possibly I should post
> some info about my AOA kit so others will be aware if they are looking for
> such an instrument at a reasonable cost.
>
> I've designed & built my first kit about 2 years ago for my plane (Zenith
> Zodiac 601) that I fly from my own grass strip. I have about 1,200 ft with
> tall corn on both ends, plus I'm on a hill. So I needed something
> to get me
> in and out safely. I really didn't think the instrument would
> help that much
> .....but it did! I now land on my strip and only use up about half my
> runway if I really push it to the limit on my gage.
>
> Soon after I started flying with my kit others saw it & heard
> about it (just
> like you have) and asked me to fabricate one for them as well. Now It's a
> part time job, and as I'm getting ready to retire soon it looks
> like it may
> turn into a full time job.
> Anyway attached you will find a poster I made up with some info on my kit.
> If you have any questions fill free to ask, and your welcome to post this
> info to the kitfox list as well.
>
> Fly safe!
>
> Kelly Meiste
>
> RESERVE LIFT GAGE KIT
>
> COMPLETE & READY TO INSTALL IN NEW OR CURRENTLY FLYING AIRCRAFT
>
> AERODYNAMICALLY SHAPED PROBE AND MOUNTING BRACKETS MACHINED FROM 6061
> ALUMINUM (CUSTOM MOUNTS AVAILABLE).
>
> 2" DIAMETER EASY TO READ GAGE WITH MOUNTING BRACKET, OR SIMPLY
> INSTALL ABOVE YOUR INSTRUMENT PANEL FOR BEST VIEW DURING TAKE OFF AND
> LANDINGS.
>
> SUPPLIED WITH 33' OF PROBE TO GAGE RIGID VINYL TUBING.
>
> "AN" HARDWARE, AND TUBING FITTINGS INCLUDED.
>
> VERY EASY INSTALLATION.
>
>
> COST IS ONLY $175 PLUS $15 S&H.
> (LESS THAN HALF THE COST OF COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE KITS)
>
>
> CONTACT:
> KELLY MEISTE (EAA MEMBER 623517)
> PHONE - (815) 684-9922
> EMAIL - <mailto:kellymeiste@jcwifi.com>
>
> YES THIS GAGE IS IN MY PLANE, ONCE YOU USE ONE YOU WOULD NEVER WANT
> TO FLY AGAIN WITHOUT IT.
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| Subject: | Re: "The thing that hath been... |
looks like a cool deal, how much?
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Oh my God, I GOOFED! |
Sorry for my previous posting half an hour ago.I am blushing with shame! I
really goofed when I attributed my opening quote to William Shakespeare. I
can't retrace why this happened, but apparently I had stored a pair of
incorrect entries in my recordings. The quote I cited, i.e.
"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be,.and there is no new
thing under the sun."
actually is from the Bible, to be exact from
-- Ecclesiates 1:9:22
I sincerely apologize for having distributed some nonsense. The actual
content of my posting however is definitely NO nonsense, let's point this
out specifically!
Kind regards,
Johannes
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| Subject: | morning flight (fluff) |
Departed KLGU this morning at about 0715, side stepped to the right to check the
progress on the installation of the ILS/Malsar, leveling off at 200'.
After throttling back to cruise 5200 rpm I headed west to intersect the Bear River.
I have followed this water course down stream many times to practice coordinated
flight. In the center of the valley its course best described as meandering.
This morning I turned upstream. I have never flown the river in that
direction before and it surprised me that it was so unfamiliar looking at it
from a new perspective. Good coordinated turns though.
Fifteen miles upstream a slow climb took me over a little ridge to overfly Newton
Resevoir and pick up the Logan River for a while. Dodged some gulls but really
not much else flying.
AWAS called for 230 at 05 so crossed midfield to 17 downwind, calling base, final
and landing long from mid field. With throttle at idle and speed stabilized
a little forward slip kept the runway centered in the windshield. When the
desired touch down point disappeared under the nose I pulled full flaps a settled
the remaining distance to the runway-maybe 100' run out.
Powered up to get off the runway and taxied back to the hangar. With everything
buttoned buttoned up I was at my desk before 0800.
All may not be well with the world but this part of it was okay this morning.
John Kerr
Classic IV, 912ul.
Logan UT
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<DIV>Departed KLGU this morning at about 0715, side stepped to the right to check
the progress on the installation of the ILS/Malsar, leveling off at 200'.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>After throttling back to cruise 5200 rpm I headed west to intersect the Bear
River. I have followed this water course down stream many times to practice
coordinated flight. In the center of the valley its course best described
as meandering. This morning I turned upstream. I have never
flown the river in that direction before and it surprised me that it was so
unfamiliar looking at it from a new perspective. Good coordinated turns
though.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Fifteen miles upstream a slow climb took me over a little ridge to overfly
Newton Resevoir and pick up the Logan River for a while. Dodged some gulls
but really not much else flying.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>AWAS called for 230 at 05 so crossed midfield to 17 downwind, calling base,
final and landing long from mid field. With throttle at idle and speed
stabilized a little forward slip kept the runway centered in the windshield.
When the desired touch down point disappeared under the nose I pulled full
flaps a settled the remaining distance to the runway-maybe 100' run out.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Powered up to get off the runway and taxied back to the hangar. With everything
buttoned buttoned up I was at my desk before 0800.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>All may not be well with the world but this part of it was okay this morning.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Kerr</DIV>
<DIV>Classic IV, 912ul.</DIV>
<DIV>Logan UT</DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: "The thing that hath been... |
Johannes, glad that you are still lurking. There are a few of us around from the
last century.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Johannes Czernin" <jcz@chello.at>
>
> ... is the thing that will be, and there is no new thing under the sun!"
> (Willam Shakespeare)
>
> Hi, Mike,
>
> This posting of yours really has kicked me to come out from my lurking
> status here on the list. Is that guy Kelly Meiste for real?
>
> A good 20 years ago a man named Morgan Huntington made all the rage
> throughout the Aviation press with an invention he named the "Lift Reserve
> Indicator". When I began planning for the Kitfox I started to build in 1994
> I closely studied that device because local regulations in my country insist
> on even homebuilt airplanes be equipped with a stall detector.
>
> At that time Mr. Huntington was an elderly gentleman already, living
> somewhere in California if I remember correctly. I even contacted him
> personally and we had several cordial and highly educational exchanges of
> letters back and forth on various aspects of his gadget. Eventually however
> I changed my plans and did not purchase from him. Since then I have lost any
> contact with him, and I honestly doubt he could still be alive.
>
> On reading your posting I did a quick Google search and after just a few
> attempts I came up with this Web site:
>
> http://www.liftreserve.com/
>
> These people, located in Ohio, seem to be building and selling the true
> thing - just have a look at their prices! As far as I get the impression it
> must be a fairly new enterprise as their site seems still in construction.
> The material displayed, however, is the entire bunch of articles,
> references, discussions, and even drawings, from good old Mr. Huntington's
> place.
>
> I would hate to hurt anyone's feelings....... but I can't refrain from
> having some slight doubts here!
>
> Let's wait a few days and see if anyone else in the Kitfox crowd chimes in!
>
> King reards to y'all on the List,
>
> Johannes
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> > Gibbs
> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 6:58 AM
> > To: Kitfox List
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Meiste Lift Reserve info
> >
> >
> > Posted on behalf of Randy Daughenbaugh
> >
> > Mike G.
> > List Mom
> > N728KF
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Thanks to Mike Perkins for Kelly's email address. I wrote to him for
> > more info and really like what he sent.
> >
> > I am getting one. I for one would like to know that I am getting
> > close to stall before any of the signs appear and with the analog
> > gage I will have that info.
> >
> > Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH
> > Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
> > Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
> > Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip
> > Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kelly Meiste [mailto:kellymeiste@jcwifi.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 11:57 AM
> > To: Randy Daughenbaugh
> > Subject: Re: Lift Reserve
> >
> > Hi Randy,
> >
> > I'm not sure how my name got to the Kitfox list but possibly I should post
> > some info about my AOA kit so others will be aware if they are looking for
> > such an instrument at a reasonable cost.
> >
> > I've designed & built my first kit about 2 years ago for my plane (Zenith
> > Zodiac 601) that I fly from my own grass strip. I have about 1,200 ft with
> > tall corn on both ends, plus I'm on a hill. So I needed something
> > to get me
> > in and out safely. I really didn't think the instrument would
> > help that much
> > .....but it did! I now land on my strip and only use up about half my
> > runway if I really push it to the limit on my gage.
> >
> > Soon after I started flying with my kit others saw it & heard
> > about it (just
> > like you have) and asked me to fabricate one for them as well. Now It's a
> > part time job, and as I'm getting ready to retire soon it looks
> > like it may
> > turn into a full time job.
> > Anyway attached you will find a poster I made up with some info on my kit.
> > If you have any questions fill free to ask, and your welcome to post this
> > info to the kitfox list as well.
> >
> > Fly safe!
> >
> > Kelly Meiste
> >
> > RESERVE LIFT GAGE KIT
> >
> > COMPLETE & READY TO INSTALL IN NEW OR CURRENTLY FLYING AIRCRAFT
> >
> > AERODYNAMICALLY SHAPED PROBE AND MOUNTING BRACKETS MACHINED FROM 6061
> > ALUMINUM (CUSTOM MOUNTS AVAILABLE).
> >
> > 2" DIAMETER EASY TO READ GAGE WITH MOUNTING BRACKET, OR SIMPLY
> > INSTALL ABOVE YOUR INSTRUMENT PANEL FOR BEST VIEW DURING TAKE OFF AND
> > LANDINGS.
> >
> > SUPPLIED WITH 33' OF PROBE TO GAGE RIGID VINYL TUBING.
> >
> > "AN" HARDWARE, AND TUBING FITTINGS INCLUDED.
> >
> > VERY EASY INSTALLATION.
> >
> >
> > COST IS ONLY $175 PLUS $15 S&H.
> > (LESS THAN HALF THE COST OF COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE KITS)
> >
> >
> > CONTACT:
> > KELLY MEISTE (EAA MEMBER 623517)
> > PHONE - (815) 684-9922
> > EMAIL -
> >
> > YES THIS GAGE IS IN MY PLANE, ONCE YOU USE ONE YOU WOULD NEVER WANT
> > TO FLY AGAIN WITHOUT IT.
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>Johannes, glad that you are still lurking. There are a few of us around
from the last century.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Kerr</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Johannes Czernin"
<jcz@chello.at> <BR><BR>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
"Johannes Czernin" <JCZ@CHELLO.AT><BR>> <BR>> ... is the thing that will
be, and there is no new thing under the sun!" <BR>> (Willam Shakespeare)
<BR>> <BR>> Hi, Mike, <BR>> <BR>> This posting of yours really has
kicked me to come out from my lurking <BR>> status here on the list. Is that
guy Kelly Meiste for real? <BR>> <BR>> A good 20 years ago a man named
Morgan Huntington made all the rage <BR>> throughout the Aviation press
with an invention he named the "Lift Reserve <BR>> Indicator". When I began
planning for the Kitfox I started to build in 1994 <BR>> I closely studied
that device because local regulations in my country insist <BR>> on even homebuilt
airplanes be equipped with a stall detector.
<BR>&
gt; <BR>> At that time Mr. Huntington was an elderly gentleman already, living <BR>> somewhere in California if I remember correctly. I even contacted him <BR>> personally and we had several cordial and highly educational exchanges of <BR>> letters back and forth on various aspects of his gadget. Eventually however <BR>> I changed my plans and did not purchase from him. Since then I have lost any <BR>> contact with him, and I honestly doubt he could still be alive. <BR>> <BR>> On reading your posting I did a quick Google search and after just a few <BR>> attempts I came up with this Web site: <BR>> <BR>> http://www.liftreserve.com/ <BR>> <BR>> These people, located in Ohio, seem to be building and selling the true <BR>> thing - just have a look at their prices! As far as I get the impression it <BR>> must be a fairly new enterprise as their site seems still in construction. <BR>> The material displayed, however, is the entire bu
nch of
articles, <BR>> references, discussions, and even drawings, from good old Mr. Huntington's <BR>> place. <BR>> <BR>> I would hate to hurt anyone's feelings....... but I can't refrain from <BR>> having some slight doubts here! <BR>> <BR>> Let's wait a few days and see if anyone else in the Kitfox crowd chimes in! <BR>> <BR>> King reards to y'all on the List, <BR>> <BR>> Johannes <BR>> <BR>> > -----Original Message----- <BR>> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael <BR>> > Gibbs <BR>> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 6:58 AM <BR>> > To: Kitfox List <BR>> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Meiste Lift Reserve info <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Posted on behalf of Randy Daughenbaugh <BR>> > <BR>> > Mike G. <BR>> > List Mom <BR>> > N728KF <BR>> > <BR>> > --- <BR>> > <BR>> > T
hanks
to Mike Perkins for Kelly's email address. I wrote to him for <BR>> > more info and really like what he sent. <BR>> > <BR>> > I am getting one. I for one would like to know that I am getting <BR>> > close to stall before any of the signs appear and with the analog <BR>> > gage I will have that info. <BR>> > <BR>> > Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH <BR>> > Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore <BR>> > Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors <BR>> > Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip <BR>> > Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004 <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > -----Original Message----- <BR>> > From: Kelly Meiste [mailto:kellymeiste@jcwifi.com] <BR>> > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 11:57 AM <BR>> > To: Randy Daughenbaugh <BR>> > Subject: Re: Lift Reserve <BR>> > <BR>> > Hi Randy, <BR>> > <BR>> > I'm not sur
e how
my name got to the Kitfox list but possibly I should post <BR>> > some info
about my AOA kit so others will be aware if they are looking for <BR>> >
such an instrument at a reasonable cost. <BR>> > <BR>> > I've
designed & built my first kit about 2 years ago for my plane (Zenith <BR>>
> Zodiac 601) that I fly from my own grass strip. I have about 1,200 ft
with <BR>> > tall corn on both ends, plus I'm on a hill. So I needed something
<BR>> > to get me <BR>> > in and out safely. I really didn't
think the instrument would <BR>> > help that much <BR>> > .....but
it did! I now land on my strip and only use up about half my <BR>> >
runway if I really push it to the limit on my gage. <BR>> > <BR>> >
Soon after I started flying with my kit others saw it & heard <BR>>
> about it (just <BR>> > like you have) and asked me to fabricate one
for them as well. Now It's a <BR>> > part time
job,
and as I'm getting ready to retire soon it looks <BR>> > like it may <BR>>
> turn into a full time job. <BR>> > Anyway attached you will find
a poster I made up with some info on my kit. <BR>> > If you have any
questions fill free to ask, and your welcome to post this <BR>> > info to
the kitfox list as well. <BR>> > <BR>> > Fly safe! <BR>> >
<BR>> > Kelly Meiste <BR>> > <BR>> > RESERVE LIFT GAGE KIT
<BR>> > <BR>> > COMPLETE & READY TO INSTALL IN NEW OR CURRENTLY
FLYING AIRCRAFT <BR>> > <BR>> > AERODYNAMICALLY SHAPED PROBE AND
MOUNTING BRACKETS MACHINED FROM 6061 <BR>> > ALUMINUM (CUSTOM MOUNTS AVAILABLE).
<BR>> > <BR>> > 2" DIAMETER EASY TO READ GAGE WITH MOUNTING
BRACKET, OR SIMPLY <BR>> > INSTALL ABOVE YOUR INSTRUMENT PANEL FOR BEST
VIEW DURING TAKE OFF AND <BR>> > LANDINGS. <BR>> > <BR>> >
SUPPLIED WITH 33' OF PROBE TO GAGE RIGID VINYL TUB
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
Luis,
You are right - AOA is the angle of the wing compared to the incident air.
It may be the same as level when landing, but can be WAY different at other
times. I like AOA because it can tell you where you are even if you have
lots of "reserve lift". But if you wait for buffet and other indicators,
you know you are at stall only when you get there and you have no room. In
windy conditions, you may want to keep a little more reserve.
It's like getting advice on which bus stop you want. - "All you need to do
is get off the bus at the stop just before I do." By that time it is too
late!
Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH
Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip
Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Thoughts on stall warning device??
Is the reading on level or a pedulum the same as angle of attack? Stall is a
question of AOA rather than level right? Your AOA at a given "level" is
going to be higher in a turn then it is going strait. A proper stall warning
will let you know when you're about to stall regardless of orientation.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | "The thing that hath been... |
Ok you guys,
I am trying to get some work done, and you keep writing stuff.. First
Johannes comes on line, well that is distracting as he (you) are a friendly
face from the past. Then, as if to reach through the screen and slap me,
John, starts writing about his flight. well.... I have been half-afraid to
fly my beast, because of the wind damage last month, but that does it. I am
going to fly 50 miles north and leave a bag of dog poop on john's ramp in
from of his hangar.. :-)
Great story John, thanks.
Johannes, it really is good to hear your "voice"again, how is your lovely
wife?
"Johannes, glad that you are still lurking. There are a few of us around
from the last century."
John Kerr
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| Subject: | "The thing that hath been... |
Hi, John,
There's truly "no new thing under the sun". Yes, one only has to utter a
mere beep and BANG back come the real good, old friends again! :-)
Just to appease y'all let me tell you that though it's been almost a decade
now that I'm walking instead of flying I still haven't had the heart to
cancel my subscription to the List. And yes, I still read at least ALL of
the headlines, and I can assure you there's still a lot of interesting
things for me worth the time to actually read it!
As to your particularly specified question, John,..... well, she's charming
as ever, she hasn't got rid of me yet, and we're still in love just as much
as back then if not more. Her artistic skills are progressing in a lovely
way, and if you want to see what she's doing currently why not come and look
her up here:
www.edel-czernin.at
You will notice that specifically for you we've provided an English language
section parallel to the internationally totally uncomprehensible German one!
:-)
Kind regards to all of you,
Johannes
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of john oakley
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:52 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: "The thing that hath been...
Ok you guys,
I am trying to get some work done, and you keep writing stuff. First
Johannes comes on line, well that is distracting as he (you) are a friendly
face from the past. Then, as if to reach through the screen and slap me,
John, starts writing about his flight well.. I have been half-afraid to
fly my beast, because of the wind damage last month, but that does it. I am
going to fly 50 miles north and leave a bag of dog poop on johns ramp in
from of his hangar.. J
Great story John, thanks.
Johannes, it really is good to hear your voiceagain, how is your lovely
wife?
Johannes, glad that you are still lurking. There are a few of us around
from the last century.
John Kerr
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| Subject: | Re: "The thing that hath been... |
Johannes,
My sentiments exactly. I often think of the rudder cables...
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <kerrjohna@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: "The thing that hath been...
> Johannes, glad that you are still lurking. There are a few of us around
> from the last century.
>
> John Kerr
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Johannes Czernin" <jcz@chello.at>
>
>>
>> ... is the thing that will be, and there is no new thing under the sun!"
>> (Willam Shakespeare)
>>
>> Hi, Mike,
>>
>> This posting of yours really has kicked me to come out from my lurking
>> status here on the list. Is that guy Kelly Meiste for real?
>>
>> A good 20 years ago a man named Morgan Huntington made all the rage
>> throughout the Aviation press with an invention he named the "Lift
>> Reserve
>> Indicator". When I began planning for the Kitfox I started to build in
>> 1994
>> I closely studied that device because local regulations in my country
>> insist
>> on even homebuilt airplanes be equipped with a stall detector.
>>
>> At that time Mr. Huntington was an elderly gentleman already, living
>> somewhere in California if I remember correctly. I even contacted him
>> personally and we had several cordial and highly educational exchanges of
>> letters back and forth on various aspects of his gadget. Eventually
>> however
>> I changed my plans and did not purchase from him. Since then I have lost
>> any
>> contact with him, and I honestly doubt he could still be alive.
>>
>> On reading your posting I did a quick Google search and after just a few
>> attempts I came up with this Web site:
>>
>> http://www.liftreserve.com/
>>
>> These people, located in Ohio, seem to be building and selling the true
>> thing - just have a look at their prices! As far as I get the impression
>> it
>> must be a fairly new enterprise as their site seems still in
>> construction.
>> The material displayed, however, is the entire bunch of articles,
>> references, discussions, and even drawings, from good old Mr.
>> Huntington's
>> place.
>>
>> I would hate to hurt anyone's feelings....... but I can't refrain from
>> having some slight doubts here!
>>
>> Let's wait a few days and see if anyone else in the Kitfox crowd chimes
>> in!
>>
>> King reards to y'all on the List,
>>
>> Johannes
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael
>> > Gibbs
>> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 6:58 AM
>> > To: Kitfox List
>> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Meiste Lift Reserve info
>> >
>> >
>> > Posted on behalf of Randy Daughenbaugh
>> >
>> > Mike G.
>> > List Mom
>> > N728KF
>> >
>> > ---
>> >
>> > Thanks to Mike Perkins for Kelly's email address. I wrote to him for
>> > more info and really like what he sent.
>> >
>> > I am getting one. I for one would like to know that I am getting
>> > close to stall before any of the signs appear and with the analog
>> > gage I will have that info.
>> >
>> > Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH
>> > Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
>> > Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
>> > Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip
>> > Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Kelly Meiste [mailto:kellymeiste@jcwifi.com]
>> > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 11:57 AM
>> > To: Randy Daughenbaugh
>> > Subject: Re: Lift Reserve
>> >
>> > Hi Randy,
>> >
>> > I'm not sure how my name got to the Kitfox list but possibly I should
>> > post
>> > some info about my AOA kit so others will be aware if they are looking
>> > for
>> > such an instrument at a reasonable cost.
>> >
>> > I've designed & built my first kit about 2 years ago for my plane
>> > (Zenith
>> > Zodiac 601) that I fly from my own grass strip. I have about 1,200 ft
>> > with
>> > tall corn on both ends, plus I'm on a hill. So I needed something
>> > to get me
>> > in and out safely. I really didn't think the instrument would
>> > help that much
>> > .....but it did! I now land on my strip and only use up about half my
>> > runway if I really push it to the limit on my gage.
>> >
>> > Soon after I started flying with my kit others saw it & heard
>> > about it (just
>> > like you have) and asked me to fabricate one for them as well. Now It's
>> > a
>> > part time job, and as I'm getting ready to retire soon it looks
>> > like it may
>> > turn into a full time job.
>> > Anyway attached you will find a poster I made up with some info on my
>> > kit.
>> > If you have any questions fill free to ask, and your welcome to post
>> > this
>> > info to the kitfox list as well.
>> >
>> > Fly safe!
>> >
>> > Kelly Meiste
>> >
>> > RESERVE LIFT GAGE KIT
>> >
>> > COMPLETE & READY TO INSTALL IN NEW OR CURRENTLY FLYING AIRCRAFT
>> >
>> > AERODYNAMICALLY SHAPED PROBE AND MOUNTING BRACKETS MACHINED FROM 6061
>> > ALUMINUM (CUSTOM MOUNTS AVAILABLE).
>> >
>> > 2" DIAMETER EASY TO READ GAGE WITH MOUNTING BRACKET, OR SIMPLY
>> > INSTALL ABOVE YOUR INSTRUMENT PANEL FOR BEST VIEW DURING TAKE OFF AND
>> > LANDINGS.
>> >
>> > SUPPLIED WITH 33' OF PROBE TO GAGE RIGID VINYL TUBING.
>> >
>> > "AN" HARDWARE, AND TUBING FITTINGS INCLUDED.
>> >
>> > VERY EASY INSTALLATION.
>> >
>> >
>> > COST IS ONLY $175 PLUS $15 S&H.
>> > (LESS THAN HALF THE COST OF COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE KITS)
>> >
>> >
>> > CONTACT:
>> > KELLY MEISTE (EAA MEMBER 623517)
>> > PHONE - (815) 684-9922
>> > EMAIL -
>> >
>> > YES THIS GAGE IS IN MY PLANE, ONCE YOU USE ONE YOU WOULD NEVER WANT
>> > TO FLY AGAIN WITHOUT IT.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
My plane flies exactly like Kitfoxmike's description. If you're in a glide, you
really aren't going to get any stall out of it. It'll basically just mush,
and you'd be a pretty poor pilot if you didn't know the mush was about
to start. I used to fly with a vane type AOA indicator on the left lift
strut when I test flew the plane, and found pretty quickly that a Kitfox
like mine doesn't need an AOA device. It is very easy to tell where
it is with regard to the stall.
However, full power with the IO-240 and the 74" prop I have, will result
in some REALLY exciting stalls. However, just like the power off stall,
you'd be a real idiot not to be awake in these circumstances either.
Regards,
Jeff Hays
Series 5, IO240B
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
I find if you keep the ball centered and the AIS over 60 you will not ever have
a problem, turn or no turn.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
Jeff,
You made me think of the first time I got my fox to spin. I kept trying to
get it to stall , steeper each time and more turn, push a pedal at the
break, it would just spiral down. I kept it up one morning until the thing
made a power break, and I pulled the throttle and the nose did a pendulum
type of thing, with the nose falling and tucking under. At this point the
baby just started to spin. I think it took a turn just to figure out what
happened.
I think I had a tear when I got it stopped.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n85ae
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:39 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Thoughts on stall warning device??
My plane flies exactly like Kitfoxmike's description. If you're in a glide,
you really aren't going to get any stall out of it. It'll basically just
mush,
and you'd be a pretty poor pilot if you didn't know the mush was about
to start. I used to fly with a vane type AOA indicator on the left lift
strut when I test flew the plane, and found pretty quickly that a Kitfox
like mine doesn't need an AOA device. It is very easy to tell where
it is with regard to the stall.
However, full power with the IO-240 and the 74" prop I have, will result
in some REALLY exciting stalls. However, just like the power off stall,
you'd be a real idiot not to be awake in these circumstances either.
Regards,
Jeff Hays
Series 5, IO240B
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| Subject: | Re: morning flight (fluff) |
Cool! my normal morning flight went well, followed a small creek for my coordinated
turns this morning, kept the left wheel right on that creek, a few 90 degree
banks and all went well. I did hit a bird, or I should say a bird hit me,
put a few feathers inside and some blood on the right top windscreen and door.
I landed with 4 mph tail wind and taxied to park. Got out and looked for any
damage, little bits of feathers on the prop, and then I looked at the right
side of the plane and found the bird drapped over the aileron, tonight I'll take
a picture. No damage. Back to work by 8:30.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
Is my Kitfox really so unique that it's the only one that can be stalled in a power
off glide? If it's not then isn't it dangerous to say things like "my Kitfox
doesn't stall so yours won't either"?
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
Luis,
I believe it means you are in the rear of your balance envelope. There is a
good deal of flight difference between the front and rear of the envelope. I
actually keep about 25 lbs of "emergency" stuff in the baggage compartment
to make mine stall a 3 point, other wise it is in the front end of the
envelope and will not stall. I have flown 14 or 15 different foxes and they
all have different characteristic depending on the position of the
horizontal stabilizer and the washout of the wing along with weight and
balance.
John Oakley
4 speedster
912ul
Cap
721 lbs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:57 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Thoughts on stall warning device??
Is my Kitfox really so unique that it's the only one that can be stalled in
a power off glide? If it's not then isn't it dangerous to say things like
"my Kitfox doesn't stall so yours won't either"?
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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