---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/15/07: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:21 AM - Morning Flight (Joe & Jan Connell) 2. 07:43 AM - Re: Morning Flight (john oakley) 3. 08:34 AM - Re: Lynn's a Star! - Was Broken Kitfoxes (Marco Menezes) 4. 08:46 AM - Re: Morning Flight (Michel Verheughe) 5. 08:53 AM - Re: Morning Flight (Marco Menezes) 6. 09:08 AM - ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!! (Paul Seehafer) 7. 10:02 AM - ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!! (Paul Seehafer) 8. 10:23 AM - Re: Morning Flight (david hein) 9. 11:15 AM - Re: ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!! (Michel Verheughe) 10. 11:19 AM - Re: ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!! (Guy Buchanan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:25 AM PST US From: "Joe & Jan Connell" Subject: Kitfox-List: Morning Flight Guys, Here is an article I submitted to Country magazine which appeared in their October/November issue... http://www.country-magazine.com/2006/ON06/featureA.asp Joe Connell Stewartville, MN Kitfox-II N95JJ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:31 AM PST US From: "john oakley" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Morning Flight Joe Connell, That is a great write up and story and the Pictures are inspiring. Thanks for the link. I really like to see these stories, of flight; I believe they are a moral booster for all of us. John Oakley 87' speedster 4 912 ul cap _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe & Jan Connell Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:20 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Morning Flight Guys, Here is an article I submitted to Country magazine which appeared in their October/November issue... http://www.country-magazine.com/2006/ON06/featureA.asp Joe Connell Stewartville, MN Kitfox-II N95JJ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:37 AM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lynn's a Star! - Was Broken Kitfoxes We haven't seen the last of Lynn's stardom. Go ahead, Lynn. Tell 'em about your other adventure at Airventure '07! What was the problem with the Jab? Buchanan wrote: At 01:37 PM 8/14/2007, you wrote: >Check out EAA's web videos to see a couple of our very own making >the spotlight.....well, sort of. I'm sure not in a way they would >like to be known for, but attention just the same. Hey that's our own Lynn Farnsworth! He's a star! (I wonder what was wrong with the Jab?) (Man that guy gets around. Last I saw him he was at Lowell's in Cameron Park, CA.) Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:04 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Morning Flight > From: Joe & Jan Connell [jconnell@fmwildblue.com] > Here is an article I submitted to Country magazine which > appeared in their October/November issue... Isn't this the essence of the idea behind the Kitfox? Fly from your backyar d for a nice early morning birdview of your surroundings. Nice article, Joe ! And now, for Torgeir: "I hildringstimen er det god =E5 fly ... " (sorry guys, Norwegian poesy in not translatable!) Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3- Jabiru 2200 do not archive
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:56 AM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Morning Flight Nicely done, Joe. A beautifully descriptive narrative of why we fly. Joe & Jan Connell wrote: Guys, Here is an article I submitted to Country magazine which appeared in their October/November issue... http://www.country-magazine.com/2006/ON06/featureA.asp Joe Connell Stewartville, MN Kitfox-II N95JJ Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:50 AM PST US From: "Paul Seehafer" Subject: Kitfox-List: ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!! Do not fly your Aerocet 1100 floats without reading this carefully first! Recently I had two of the cross brace cables fail on my Aerocet floats because the nicopress sleeves slipped on the cable, caused by not being crimped properly when manufactured. Needless to say, when you lose the cross bracing on your floats, it's the equivelent of losing the bungee chords and safety cables from a bungee style landing gear. All worked out ok for me, but I fear what may have happened in a different scenario. So for anyone flying aerocet floats on their Kitfox or Avids, please check your nicopress fittings to make sure they are crimped properly. You will need a nicopress go/no-go gauge to be able to tell if they are good or not (a $6 tool). If in doubt, re-crimp or replace them. Without good crimps your floats will sooner or later fail! And even if you have a lot of landings on your floats (mine had hundreds and hundreds), it's just a matter of time before the floats will collapse in operation. Most likely this will happen when subjected to a higher than average load (in my case it was caused by a very large boat wake). I have since been told that Aerocet had a service bulletin about this problem, but I wasn't aware of it until after mine failed. I don't want to see anyone get hurt, especially knowing there is such an easy remedy to the problem. Paul Seehafer Kitfox IV-1200 Aerocet Amphibs ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:11 AM PST US From: "Paul Seehafer" Subject: Kitfox-List: ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!! Do not fly your Aerocet 1100 floats without reading this carefully first! Recently I had two of the cross brace cables fail on my Aerocet floats because the nicopress sleeves slipped on the cable, caused by not being crimped properly when manufactured. Needless to say, when you lose the cross bracing on your floats, it's the equivelent of losing the bungee chords and safety cables from a bungee style landing gear. All worked out ok for me, but I fear what may have happened in a different scenario. So for anyone flying aerocet floats on their Kitfox or Avids, please check your nicopress fittings to make sure they are crimped properly. You will need a nicopress go/no-go gauge to be able to tell if they are good or not (a $6 tool). If in doubt, re-crimp or replace them. Without good crimps your floats will sooner or later fail! And even if you have a lot of landings on your floats (mine had hundreds and hundreds), it's just a matter of time before the floats will collapse in operation. Most likely this will happen when subjected to a higher than average load (in my case it was caused by a very large boat wake). I have since been told that Aerocet had a service bulletin about this problem, but I wasn't aware of it until after mine failed. I don't want to see anyone get hurt, especially knowing there is such an easy remedy to the problem. Paul Seehafer Kitfox IV-1200 Aerocet Amphibs ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:26 AM PST US From: david hein Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Morning Flight Joe, Great article! I'm not flying yet, but I drive through your area to visit my sisters in Rochester and enjoy some of the things that you describe. You can take the boy off the farm, but..... Take Care, Dave Hein Joe & Jan Connell wrote: Guys, Here is an article I submitted to Country magazine which appeared in their October/November issue... http://www.country-magazine.com/2006/ON06/featureA.asp Joe Connell Stewartville, MN Kitfox-II N95JJ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:35 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!! On Aug 15, 2007, at 6:03 PM, Paul Seehafer wrote: > You will need a nicopress go/no-go gauge to be able to tell if they > are good or not (a $6 tool). I don't want to sound arrogant or patronising but ... as a sailor I would never trust Nicopress to support anything aboard. All sailing rigs use a conical terminal device to end the stays. The more you pull on the stay, the more it tightens. Of course, those are a tad more expensive than Nicopress but ... safety first, isn't it? Yes, I know, I have Nicopress on the wires of my rudder but the force it must sustain is minimal compare to floats. In any case, I am glad it went well for you, Paul. And thank you for letting the word out. While I don't have floats, it's nice to know that we have this list to report our problem because learning from others' experience is the best way to safe flying. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 do not archive PS: An alternative to Nicopress is simply the good old wire spicing. Not easy if you haven't done it before but maybe a sailmaker can help you there. A nice splicing dressed with e.g. self-bounding rubber tape. But the best is the conical terminal because you avoid to make a bend in the cable around the eyelet. Here is an example: http://www.bosunsupplies.com/QuickAttachInstruction.cfm ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:45 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!! At 09:03 AM 8/15/2007, you wrote: >Recently I had two of the cross brace cables fail on my Aerocet >floats because the nicopress sleeves slipped on the cable, caused by >not being crimped properly when manufactured. Paul, Thanks for the pictures, without them your diagnosis would have been wrong and you would have had more failures. Your nico sleeve failed because it was on 1x19 wire. Nico sleeves are intended solely for 7x19 wire and should NEVER be used on 1x19! (Yes, that's CAPITAL N - NEVER! Some people try two sleeves on 1x19, thinking that will work. DON'T DO IT! You can also use them on 7x7, but you shouldn't be using 7x7 for structural applications anyway.) ANY STRUCTURAL 1X19 WIRE TERMINATED WITH NICO SLEEVES SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY REPLACED BY 1X19 WITH SWAGED AIRCRAFT FITTINGS. If you require references I'll dig them up, but I know this well, having worked in yacht rigging and design for 20 years. I also can't tell you, off the top of my head, what fraction of the wire's capability a 1x19 nico will carry, since we never did it; but I saw many failures, mostly Hobie cat rigs. Now I know this is going to require some work on your part, since your tabs may not provide enough clearance for the air-fork clevis, but please take the time to do it right. And please spread the word. If your hardware came from Aerocet, you might let them know that they have taken on excess liability in this regard. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.