---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/17/07: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:19 AM - Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers (fox5flyer) 2. 04:48 AM - Re: "The thing that hath been... (Jim Crowder) 3. 05:52 AM - Re: "The thing that hath been... (Michael Logan) 4. 06:15 AM - Re: Ivo prop (kitfoxmike) 5. 06:19 AM - Re: "The thing that hath been... (kitfoxmike) 6. 06:54 AM - Re: "The thing that hath been... (kitfoxmike) 7. 07:09 AM - Re: "The thing that hath been... (Mdkitfox@aol.com) 8. 08:28 AM - Re: Ivo prop (jdmcbean) 9. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: "The thing that hath been... (Randy Daughenbaugh) 10. 08:48 AM - Re: "The thing that hath been... - AOA (jdmcbean) 11. 08:48 AM - Re: "The thing that hath been... AOA pg 2 (jdmcbean) 12. 11:18 AM - Re: Ivo prop (crazyivan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:00 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers I'm trying to find a few places in the mid Michigan area that are worthy of flying to for breakfast, lunch, etc. Preferably airports that have a cafe/restaurant within a half mile or so of the airport. Anybody have any input? Thanks, Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." Mark Twain ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:31 AM PST US From: "Jim Crowder" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: "The thing that hath been... I have it installed on my Kitfox 5, but have never completed my fly off time and I am now installing a Jabiru 3300 engine. Therefore I have never gotten around to setting it up. The interesting thing is that last month at Oshkosh I came upon a booth where they were selling the Lift Reserve Indicator. It is the same unit I have and the company is InAir Instruments LLC of Westerville, Ohio. The Internet site is www.liftreserve.com. The owner is Al Mojzisik. I have his business card with all the information, but I am sure it is available on the Internet site. Jim Crowder -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mdkitfox@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:20 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: "The thing that hath been... Johannes, et al, How nice to hear from a voice from the past! Everything you mentioned about Morgan Huntington is very true. When I met him back in the 80's, I was an engineer in the Cockpit Technology Office at FAA HQ and he was an old guy with an invention he was trying to sell (by having the FAA mandate that it be in all aircraft.) The flight standards folks had sent him to me because they probably did not want to deal with him. Morgan was very nice and I might add, quite competent. We went to Lee Airport in Annapolis where he had a Cessna 150 equipped with his device. We took off and he kept that mush indicator, as he called it, right on the hairy edge of a stall. That old 150 must have had a 20+degree deck angle and was climbing right on out. When we got to a couple of thousand feet he let that needle get in the red and the wing stalled as advertised. Lower the nose and keep the needle out of the red and she flew right out and continued to climb. Okay, his device worked. But, the FAA was never going to mandate it. I sent Morgan to some friends I had at NASA's at Langley Research Center. Bottom line, they put on an old 737 and sure enough, it worked there to. That was pretty much all I ever heard about the LRI until about 10 years ago at Oshkosh. Seems Morgan had passed, but his family, I believe it was a son, continued selling the device, but ran into a legal issue with another fellow selling the same product under a different name. They were in competition, but I never did hear the results of the legal fray. When I told Morgan's son about my experience with his Dad, he was really moved. He gave me a system and I have it installed in my Kitfox. Now,if I can just finish building the plane, I can find out if it works on the very sophisticated Kitfox V. Rick Weiss 13 years and still building - but the end is near! Series V Speedster (Factory serial number 1) N39RW ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:07 AM PST US From: "Michael Logan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: "The thing that hath been... Rick, Where can one buy one of those mush meters? When are you ever going to finish that plane? Mike Logan Series 5 N956ML _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mdkitfox@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:20 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: "The thing that hath been... Johannes, et al, How nice to hear from a voice from the past! Everything you mentioned about Morgan Huntington is very true. When I met him back in the 80's, I was an engineer in the Cockpit Technology Office at FAA HQ and he was an old guy with an invention he was trying to sell (by having the FAA mandate that it be in all aircraft.) The flight standards folks had sent him to me because they probably did not want to deal with him. Morgan was very nice and I might add, quite competent. We went to Lee Airport in Annapolis where he had a Cessna 150 equipped with his device. We took off and he kept that mush indicator, as he called it, right on the hairy edge of a stall. That old 150 must have had a 20+degree deck angle and was climbing right on out. When we got to a couple of thousand feet he let that needle get in the red and the wing stalled as advertised. Lower the nose and keep the needle out of the red and she flew right out and continued to climb. Okay, his device worked. But, the FAA was never going to mandate it. I sent Morgan to some friends I had at NASA's at Langley Research Center. Bottom line, they put on an old 737 and sure enough, it worked there to. That was pretty much all I ever heard about the LRI until about 10 years ago at Oshkosh. Seems Morgan had passed, but his family, I believe it was a son, continued selling the device, but ran into a legal issue with another fellow selling the same product under a different name. They were in competition, but I never did hear the results of the legal fray. When I told Morgan's son about my experience with his Dad, he was really moved. He gave me a system and I have it installed in my Kitfox. Now,if I can just finish building the plane, I can find out if it works on the very sophisticated Kitfox V. Rick Weiss 13 years and still building - but the end is near! Series V Speedster (Factory serial number 1) N39RW _____ AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:48 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Ivo prop From: "kitfoxmike" You can buy the 72" patriot. But, cut it down to, well mine is at 69" at the moment. I bought it at 70" and cut it down a little more, but didn't notice any difference so I kept it at 69". I like the number 69... oh stop it steve. Anyway, back to the subject at hand, great prop, wouldn't fly without it, you'll love it. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying enough" Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129570#129570 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:15 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: "The thing that hath been... From: "kitfoxmike" just so everybody knows, I love this product, I plan on calling and finding out how much. I want it on my RV. Makes more sense than the AOA if it does what it says it will, I just plain like it. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying enough" Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129571#129571 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:06 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: "The thing that hath been... From: "kitfoxmike" Unit starts at 450. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying enough" Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129577#129577 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:37 AM PST US From: Mdkitfox@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: "The thing that hath been... In a message dated 8/17/2007 8:53:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michael.logan@cox.net writes: Where can one buy one of those mush meters? I have the one from Morgan, but I also have the electronic display version. You can see them at LRIAOA.COM I'm not sure what the price is. When are you ever going to finish that plane? Good question. I hope it will fly at end of September. How are you doing? Where are you now? Rick Series V Speedster - N39RW http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:22 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ivo prop Eric, We are an IVO dealer and can help.. Youll love the prop but the 72 on the UL is a little much. There are also 2 different style of blades and that will effect the length as well. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 7:34 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Ivo prop Is anyone using a 72" in-flight adjustable Ivo prop on a Speedster with 912UL ? How is the performance? Eric 1:46 PM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:37 AM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: "The thing that hath been... Hey, y'all, if you want to spend $450 for one of these things, you can. But if you want to spend $175 plus shipping, contact Kelly Meiste. It is the same thing. KELLY MEISTE (EAA MEMBER 623517) PHONE - (815) 684-9922 EMAIL - Old Morgan Huntington had a great idea. It is too bad that he was not able to gain better acceptance of his great instrument. Actually it gives about the same info as the AOA instruments on all military and commercial planes. GA is slow to catch on. I like this design because it requires no electrical power (less to go wrong!) and If you lose your airspeed indicator, you can fly fine with just this. It is a great instrument and can give you great confidence in turns etc. The great thing is it still works no matter what your loading, bank angle etc is. Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxmike Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:53 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: "The thing that hath been... Unit starts at 450. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying enough" Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129577#129577 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:18 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: "The thing that hath been... - AOA There is another company that I have been working with recently on this very item If interested give us a shout Might be able to save a little. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Crowder Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 5:46 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: "The thing that hath been... I have it installed on my Kitfox 5, but have never completed my fly off time and I am now installing a Jabiru 3300 engine. Therefore I have never gotten around to setting it up. The interesting thing is that last month at Oshkosh I came upon a booth where they were selling the Lift Reserve Indicator. It is the same unit I have and the company is InAir Instruments LLC of Westerville, Ohio. The Internet site is www.liftreserve.com . The owner is Al Mojzisik. I have his business card with all the information, but I am sure it is available on the Internet site. Jim Crowder -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mdkitfox@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:20 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: "The thing that hath been... Johannes, et al, How nice to hear from a voice from the past! Everything you mentioned about Morgan Huntington is very true. When I met him back in the 80's, I was an engineer in the Cockpit Technology Office at FAA HQ and he was an old guy with an invention he was trying to sell (by having the FAA mandate that it be in all aircraft.) The flight standards folks had sent him to me because they probably did not want to deal with him. Morgan was very nice and I might add, quite competent. We went to Lee Airport in Annapolis where he had a Cessna 150 equipped with his device. We took off and he kept that mush indicator, as he called it, right on the hairy edge of a stall. That old 150 must have had a 20+degree deck angle and was climbing right on out. When we got to a couple of thousand feet he let that needle get in the red and the wing stalled as advertised. Lower the nose and keep the needle out of the red and she flew right out and continued to climb. Okay, his device worked. But, the FAA was never going to mandate it. I sent Morgan to some friends I had at NASA's at Langley Research Center. Bottom line, they put on an old 737 and sure enough, it worked there to. That was pretty much all I ever heard about the LRI until about 10 years ago at Oshkosh. Seems Morgan had passed, but his family, I believe it was a son, continued selling the device, but ran into a legal issue with another fellow selling the same product under a different name. They were in competition, but I never did hear the results of the legal fray. When I told Morgan's son about my experience with his Dad, he was really moved. He gave me a system and I have it installed in my Kitfox. Now,if I can just finish building the plane, I can find out if it works on the very sophisticated Kitfox V. Rick Weiss 13 years and still building - but the end is near! Series V Speedster (Factory serial number 1) N39RW _____ AOL.com. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com 1:46 PM ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:27 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: "The thing that hath been... AOA pg 2 There is another company that I have been working with recently on this very item If interested give us a shout Might be able to save a little. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Crowder Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 5:46 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: "The thing that hath been... I have it installed on my Kitfox 5, but have never completed my fly off time and I am now installing a Jabiru 3300 engine. Therefore I have never gotten around to setting it up. The interesting thing is that last month at Oshkosh I came upon a booth where they were selling the Lift Reserve Indicator. It is the same unit I have and the company is InAir Instruments LLC of Westerville, Ohio. The Internet site is www.liftreserve.com . The owner is Al Mojzisik. I have his business card with all the information, but I am sure it is available on the Internet site. Jim Crowder -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mdkitfox@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:20 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: "The thing that hath been... Johannes, et al, How nice to hear from a voice from the past! Everything you mentioned about Morgan Huntington is very true. When I met him back in the 80's, I was an engineer in the Cockpit Technology Office at FAA HQ and he was an old guy with an invention he was trying to sell (by having the FAA mandate that it be in all aircraft.) The flight standards folks had sent him to me because they probably did not want to deal with him. Morgan was very nice and I might add, quite competent. We went to Lee Airport in Annapolis where he had a Cessna 150 equipped with his device. We took off and he kept that mush indicator, as he called it, right on the hairy edge of a stall. That old 150 must have had a 20+degree deck angle and was climbing right on out. When we got to a couple of thousand feet he let that needle get in the red and the wing stalled as advertised. Lower the nose and keep the needle out of the red and she flew right out and continued to climb. Okay, his device worked. But, the FAA was never going to mandate it. I sent Morgan to some friends I had at NASA's at Langley Research Center. Bottom line, they put on an old 737 and sure enough, it worked there to. That was pretty much all I ever heard about the LRI until about 10 years ago at Oshkosh. Seems Morgan had passed, but his family, I believe it was a son, continued selling the device, but ran into a legal issue with another fellow selling the same product under a different name. They were in competition, but I never did hear the results of the legal fray. When I told Morgan's son about my experience with his Dad, he was really moved. He gave me a system and I have it installed in my Kitfox. Now,if I can just finish building the plane, I can find out if it works on the very sophisticated Kitfox V. Rick Weiss 13 years and still building - but the end is near! Series V Speedster (Factory serial number 1) N39RW _____ AOL.com. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com 1:46 PM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:48 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Ivo prop From: "crazyivan" Here is my write up with my new Ivo last year... http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=17756 My initial numbers are about 200'/min high on the rate of climb and about 5mph too fast but there was a good performance gain over the GSC. I have the 70" 3-blade ultralight IvoProp and would not cut it down...I love the static thrust and am not worried about a few more mph. -------- Dave Speedster 912 UL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129623#129623 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.