---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/18/07: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:09 AM - Re: Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers (Lynn Matteson) 2. 04:44 AM - Re: Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers (fox5flyer) 3. 04:54 AM - S5 Sticky fuel valve (fox5flyer) 4. 06:40 AM - Re: Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers (Marco Menezes) 5. 10:27 AM - Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (paul wilson) 6. 10:39 AM - Not a LRI, AOA or SW but something completely new (Mark Burton) 7. 10:42 AM - Re: Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers (Michael Gibbs) 8. 10:58 AM - rib thickness (Alberto Santori) 9. 11:09 AM - Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (debrun26@juno.com) 10. 12:09 PM - Subaru oil loss (fox5flyer) 11. 12:11 PM - Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (fox5flyer) 12. 12:32 PM - Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (paul wilson) 13. 02:44 PM - Rotax Voltage Regulator (Guy Buchanan) 14. 03:07 PM - Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (Rick) 15. 04:11 PM - Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (Michael Logan) 16. 06:42 PM - Re: Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers (Malcolmbru@AOL.COM) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:34 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers How about Mt. Pleasant on Sunday? Pancake b'fast...see: http:// mdotwas1.mdot.state.mi.us/public/aero/calendar/dp.cfm Lynn do not archive On Aug 17, 2007, at 8:16 AM, fox5flyer wrote: > I'm trying to find a few places in the mid Michigan area that are > worthy of flying to for breakfast, lunch, etc. Preferably airports > that have a cafe/restaurant within a half mile or so of the > airport. Anybody have any input? > Thanks, > > Deke Morisse > Mikado Michigan > S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT > "If you don't read the newspaper you are > uninformed, if you do read > the newspaper you are misinformed." > Mark Twain > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:35 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers Thanks for the link Lynn. Good source. Deke do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 6:12 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers > > How about Mt. Pleasant on Sunday? Pancake b'fast...see: http:// > mdotwas1.mdot.state.mi.us/public/aero/calendar/dp.cfm > > Lynn > do not archive > > On Aug 17, 2007, at 8:16 AM, fox5flyer wrote: > > > I'm trying to find a few places in the mid Michigan area that are > > worthy of flying to for breakfast, lunch, etc. Preferably airports > > that have a cafe/restaurant within a half mile or so of the > > airport. Anybody have any input? > > Thanks, > > > > Deke Morisse > > Mikado Michigan > > S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT > > "If you don't read the newspaper you are > > uninformed, if you do read > > the newspaper you are misinformed." > > Mark Twain > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > > ============================================================ _- > > forums.matronics.com_- > > =========================================================== > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:32 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve My S5 has the factory stock on-off console fuel valve by Imperial. It seems to be a good valve, but one of the problems I have with it is that after a couple months of use, it begins to get sticky and difficult to turn. Removal and dismantling finds it dry and a taper fit metal-to-metal brass. What I've always done to make it like new again is to use a little polishing compound on it, working the valve back and forth until it is smooth again, cleaning it all up, then applying Fuelube to it. After reinstall, it works perfectly--for awhile. Then it begins to tighten up again and get difficult to turn. As the maintenance of this unit is a pain in the butt, I'm tired of it and I want to change to something that doesn't require so much maintenance. I talked to the Andair people at Oshkosh, but they don't make a straight through unit that is suitable. I'd rather not go into any major replumbing for this fix, but I will if necessary. What have some of you folks out there done to resolve this problem? I'd really like to see what my various options are and I'd appreciate any input. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 365+ TT ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:55 AM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers Deke, Try Mecosta Morton (27C) and Clare Co. Harrison (???). Both have modest but decent restaurants just beyond the fence. Marco Menezes KF II 582-90 N99KX fox5flyer wrote: I'm trying to find a few places in the mid Michigan area that are worthy of flying to for breakfast, lunch, etc. Preferably airports that have a cafe/restaurant within a half mile or so of the airport. Anybody have any input? Thanks, Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." Mark Twain --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:11 AM PST US From: paul wilson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve A hardware store ball valve labeled WOG will have nice teflon or nylon seals and will always work just fine. They have internal pipe threads and come in 1/4 and 3/8" to choose from. Paul =========== At 06:52 AM 8/18/2007, you wrote: >My S5 has the factory stock on-off console fuel valve by >Imperial. It seems to be a good valve, but one of the problems I >have with it is that after a couple months of use, it begins to get >sticky and difficult to turn. Removal and dismantling finds it dry >and a taper fit metal-to-metal brass. What I've always done to make >it like new again is to use a little polishing compound on it, >working the valve back and forth until it is smooth again, cleaning >it all up, then applying Fuelube to it. After reinstall, it works >perfectly--for awhile. Then it begins to tighten up again and get >difficult to turn. > >As the maintenance of this unit is a pain in the butt, I'm tired of >it and I want to change to something that doesn't require so much >maintenance. I talked to the Andair people at Oshkosh, but they >don't make a straight through unit that is suitable. I'd rather not >go into any major replumbing for this fix, but I will if necessary. > >What have some of you folks out there done to resolve this >problem? I'd really like to see what my various options are and I'd >appreciate any input. > >Deke Morisse >Mikado Michigan >S5/Subaru/CAP 365+ TT > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:29 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Not a LRI, AOA or SW but something completely new From: "Mark Burton" Hi Folks, I am not a Kitfox operator but I do cruise around reading the other lists from time to time and saw your discussion on the LRI, stall warners, etc. and thought I would bring your attention to a device my company produces. It's a talking ASI/speed director that can either speak your airspeed or tell you if you are deviating from a chosen target speed. The crucial point about the product is that all the information is delivered audibly through your headphones and so you don't have to look at the ASI at all on approach. Additionally, it measures the wing loading (acceleration) so that if you pull significant amounts of G (while on approach) it will instantly warn you. It's not a stall warning system, the best way to think of it is as a "stall margin preserver" - it helps you maintain your speed margin above the stall. Easy to install, just connect to pitot/static and route the audio output into a spare audio input on your radio/intercom. Anyway, if you want to learn more, please go to www.smartavionics.com. Cheers, Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129725#129725 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:18 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers Hey Deke, >I'm trying to find a few places in the mid Michigan area that are >worthy of flying to for breakfast, lunch, etc. You might find this helpful: . Mike G. List Mom N728KF Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:02 AM PST US From: Alberto Santori Subject: Kitfox-List: rib thickness Hello to all, I'm Alberto from Italy.I'd like to know the thicikness of the plywood used for the ribs.What are the procedures to glue them to the alum inum spars?Thanks!Alberto _________________________________________________________________ Quale attrice a 31 anni a ha gi=E0 avuto 5 nomination agli oscar? http://search.msn.it/results.aspx?q=kate+winslet&FORM=MSNH ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:17 AM PST US From: "debrun26@juno.com" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve Hey Deke, I also have an S5 with the NSI Sooby engine... I'd like to know what you do to fix the oil that blows out the breeather tube that c omes out the top side of the oil pan and dumps out all over under the pl ane. mine often drains a quart in an hour and I've got to find a fix. P lease give me some ideas.... Thanks, Layne from Alaska ________________________________________________________________________ Send your friends personalized video messages! Sign up for a FREE Juno account and start sending Video Mail today! 177 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:55 PM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Subaru oil loss Layne, your problem of blowing oil out the breather is not an NSI problem, at least not for the normally aspirated version. Are you speaking of the turbo version? If so, I'm not familiar with that setup. "I'd like to know what you do to fix the oil that blows out the breeather tube that comes out the top side of the oil pan" Regarding your above statement, my oil pan has no breather tube. The only breather mine has is from the remote storage tank on the firewall. Is that what you're referring to? Mine doesn't throw out any oil, but there is a tendency to soil the belly of the airplane with breather mist the same as any other airplane does. I go through a quart about every twenty hours. You need to check to ensure that you aren't over filling your tank. I did that once and it really made a big mess. What happened was that I didn't realize when I filled the tank with the amount of oil specified that it already had some oil in it from the factory break in. Once I realized what happened I just keep the oil level at what is recommended and I have no problems. When mine is full the actual level is about 2/3 the way up the tank. Another thing. In the firewall tank there is a baffle that protects the oil contents from easily blowing out the breather. Ensure that you tank has that baffle. You can tell by just shining a light down through the fill hole. Hope this helps a little. Let me know if I can help anymore. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." Mark Twain ----- Original Message ----- From: debrun26@juno.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve Hey Deke, I also have an S5 with the NSI Sooby engine... I'd like to know what you do to fix the oil that blows out the breeather tube that comes out the top side of the oil pan and dumps out all over under the plane. mine often drains a quart in an hour and I've got to find a fix. Please give me some ideas.... Thanks, Layne from Alaska ________________________________________________________________________ /2-2130421-177">Send your friends personalized video messages! Sign up for a FREE Juno account and start sending Video Mail today! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:40 PM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve Thanks Paul. What I'm actually looking for is a direct replacement, if one isn't available. I'd considered the ball valve, but wasn't sure how I could mount it to the underside of the console. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." Mark Twain ----- Original Message ----- From: paul wilson To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve A hardware store ball valve labeled WOG will have nice teflon or nylon seals and will always work just fine. They have internal pipe threads and come in 1/4 and 3/8" to choose from. Paul =========== At 06:52 AM 8/18/2007, you wrote: My S5 has the factory stock on-off console fuel valve by Imperial. It seems to be a good valve, but one of the problems I have with it is that after a couple months of use, it begins to get sticky and difficult to turn. Removal and dismantling finds it dry and a taper fit metal-to-metal brass. What I've always done to make it like new again is to use a little polishing compound on it, working the valve back and forth until it is smooth again, cleaning it all up, then applying Fuelube to it. After reinstall, it works perfectly--for awhile. Then it begins to tighten up again and get difficult to turn. As the maintenance of this unit is a pain in the butt, I'm tired of it and I want to change to something that doesn't require so much maintenance. I talked to the Andair people at Oshkosh, but they don't make a straight through unit that is suitable. I'd rather not go into any major replumbing for this fix, but I will if necessary. What have some of you folks out there done to resolve this problem? I'd really like to see what my various options are and I'd appreciate any input. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 365+ TT ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:32 PM PST US From: paul wilson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve Boy, you are correct re-plumbing would be needed. A lot of us started with the HW store valves from the beginning. Paul ===================== At 02:07 PM 8/18/2007, you wrote: >Thanks Paul. What I'm actually looking for is a direct replacement, >if one isn't available. I'd considered the ball valve, but wasn't >sure how I could mount it to the underside of the console. > >Deke Morisse >Mikado Michigan >S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT >"If you don't read the newspaper you are >uninformed, if you do read >the newspaper you are misinformed." >Mark Twain > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: paul wilson >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:23 PM >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve > >A hardware store ball valve labeled WOG will have nice teflon or >nylon seals and will always work just fine. They have internal pipe >threads and come in 1/4 and 3/8" to choose from. >Paul >=========== >At 06:52 AM 8/18/2007, you wrote: >>My S5 has the factory stock on-off console fuel valve by >>Imperial. It seems to be a good valve, but one of the problems I >>have with it is that after a couple months of use, it begins to get >>sticky and difficult to turn. Removal and dismantling finds it dry >>and a taper fit metal-to-metal brass. What I've always done to >>make it like new again is to use a little polishing compound on it, >>working the valve back and forth until it is smooth again, cleaning >>it all up, then applying Fuelube to it. After reinstall, it works >>perfectly--for awhile. Then it begins to tighten up again and get >>difficult to turn. >> >>As the maintenance of this unit is a pain in the butt, I'm tired of >>it and I want to change to something that doesn't require so much >>maintenance. I talked to the Andair people at Oshkosh, but they >>don't make a straight through unit that is suitable. I'd rather >>not go into any major replumbing for this fix, but I will if necessary. >> >>What have some of you folks out there done to resolve this >>problem? I'd really like to see what my various options are and >>I'd appreciate any input. >> >>Deke Morisse >>Mikado Michigan >>S5/Subaru/CAP 365+ TT >> >> >> > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:23 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax Voltage Regulator All, It looks like my Rotax 582 three phase voltage regulator's dying. (It will occasionally go over voltage. I can re-set it and get it to work, but it's happening more often now.) Does anyone have a recommended replacement? I've mounted it in the engine compartment to minimize electrical noise in the cockpit and I suspect things are a little hot for the stock Rotax unit. Has anyone tried any of the Harley replacements? Any after-market units? Or should I just increase the cooling to the Rotax unit? Thanks, Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:34 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve I replaced mine with the Adair valve. ACS carried it. Yes a little plumbing but worth it. Not a big deal. Should be a pic on the photo section. Since your not running a kerosene heater you don't need the valve that goes with one :) Rick 8/17/2007 5:43 PM ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:31 PM PST US From: "Michael Logan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve Layne, I had the same set up as you do. What I did was to put a 90 degree fitting inside the tank where the oil returns from the engine to the tank. On the fitting I put a tube running down to the lower end of the tank with holes in it to allow the oil and mist to disburse. The reason behind the fitting and the tube is because with the original, the oil would shoot straight into the tank from the engine blow-by pressure and would allow create a mist that could flow out the overflow. I also put in a catch bottle on the breather. I made the catch bottle from a water bottle used by bicyclist. I ran the tubing from the overflow into the top of the bottle and down near the bottom of the bottle. I put another fitting in the top that ran an overflow down to the bottom of the firewall. Any misting oil that came through the breather would settle in the catch bottle and only air would flow out the overflow from the catch bottle. I made a filter out of an aluminum kitchen scrubber and put it in the top of the catch bottle to make sure any mist would be stopped from going out the overflow. The NSI setup is very sensitive to over filling the oil tank. The level in the tank should really be checked after running the engine for a few minutes to make sure any oil that has drained down from the tank into the engine is pumped back into the storage tank. There is a check valve that is supposed to prevent this but it might not stop all of the drainage. The setup is also very sensitive to rings going bad or any other kind of wear that would cause excessive blow-by. When there is excessive blow-by, it goes into the storage tank with enough force that there is a lot of oil misting that goes out the breather. Mike Series 5 formerly with an NSI. _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of debrun26@juno.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve Hey Deke, I also have an S5 with the NSI Sooby engine... I'd like to know what you do to fix the oil that blows out the breeather tube that comes out the top side of the oil pan and dumps out all over under the plane. mine often drains a quart in an hour and I've got to find a fix. Please give me some ideas.... Thanks, Layne from Alaska ________________________________________________________________________ /2-2130421-177">Send your friends personalized video messages! Sign up for a FREE Juno account and start sending Video Mail today! ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:58 PM PST US From: Malcolmbru@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fluff: Mid Mich Burgers Dalton has a place called Gabby's on the field. Houghton lake (DNR) by the state police post has a nice restaurant within walking distance, on the water. 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