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1. 03:33 AM - Re: first flight of a kitfox 4-1200 (Norway) (Norman P Vrooman)
2. 04:32 AM - Re: first flight of a kitfox 4-1200 (Norway) (Michel Verheughe)
3. 07:05 AM - ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!! (Paul Seehafer)
4. 07:16 AM - Re: first flight of a kitfox 4-1200 (Norway) (Paul Seehafer)
5. 07:21 AM - The South Carolina Breakfast Club (wingnut)
6. 07:50 AM - Re: first flight of a kitfox 4-1200 (Norway) (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
7. 07:55 AM - Re: Rotax Voltage Regulator (Napier, Mark)
8. 09:09 AM - Re: Subaru oil loss (debrun26@juno.com)
9. 10:19 AM - Re: ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!! (John W. Hart)
10. 10:54 AM - Re: first flight of a kitfox 4-1200 (Norway) (Michel Verheughe)
11. 12:19 PM - S5 Sticky fuel valve (fox5flyer)
12. 12:37 PM - Re: Subaru oil loss (fox5flyer)
13. 01:08 PM - Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (Rick)
14. 01:25 PM - Re: Subaru oil loss (Randy Daughenbaugh)
15. 03:40 PM - Re: ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!! (Noel Loveys)
16. 03:46 PM - Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (fox5flyer)
17. 05:19 PM - Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (Rick)
18. 06:03 PM - Re: Subaru oil loss (debrun26@juno.com)
19. 08:28 PM - Re: Rotax Voltage Regulator (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Re: first flight of a kitfox 4-1200 (Norway) |
Hey Geir,
Congratulations!
Norm Vrooman, The guy who shipped Flaperons.
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| Subject: | first flight of a kitfox 4-1200 (Norway) |
> From: Geir Olav =D8ien [geir_olav@c2i.net]
> The static rpm is 2950 (it is not the best choice propeller on this
> engine/airframe) but I will test if for a while.
I think that 2950 is right in the bullseye, Geir, and if you cruise faster
than me, it can be one of two reasons:
1) Your indicated air speed is not your real air speed. You may need a stat
ic port line, or
2) Your model IV is more streamlined than my model III.
I'll contact you privately regarding us meeting in Norway.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
PS: I've just got a note from a veterinary opthamologist asking me to - ple
ase stop aiming for the bullseye! - but ... okay, okay I'll shut up! :-)
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| Subject: | ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!! |
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Paul do you know what the size of the properly crimped fitting is? I don't
have a terminal (go-no go) gauge but I do have several sets of Vernier
calipers.
Noel
*********************
Noel,
Here is what you need to know. A friend had this bulletin saved (which I
didn't even know existed until after my problem). It gives the nicopress
size and procedures.
Paul Seehafer Model IV-1200 912ul Aerocet amphibs
****************************************
SERVICE BULLETIN #41
DATE: September 6, 1994
SUBJECT: Swaged Fittings on the Cross Brace Cables
APPLICABILITY: All Float Equipped Kitfox's
COMPLIANCE: MANDATORY; RESOLVE BEFORE NEXT FLIGHT
FROM: SkyStar Aircraft Engineering Department
A float equipped Kitfox suffered a brace cable failure during a very hard
water landing. The cable failed by pulling through the swaged nico press
sleeve. Since these sleeves are rated for the full breaking strength of the
cable, our investigation focused on the swaging procedure itself.
Before operating your float-equipped Kitfox again, inspect the swaging on
the sleeves of the cross brace cables P/N 66021.000 for proper compression.
The distance across the widest part of the oval in the swaged areas must be
no greater than .340". If you find a sleeve that is improperly swaged and
have access to a swaging tool, you can re-swage the sleeves to the proper
depth. If you do not have a tool available, return the cables to us, and we
will re-swage and return them to you. (Please call Customer Service for a
RMA number before sending your cables to SkyStar for re-swaging). Upon
successful inspection or re-swaging of your cable sleeves, note compliance
with this bulletin in your aircraft logbooks.
If you have any questions regarding this Service Bulletin, call Customer
Service at 208-454-1443.
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| Subject: | Re: first flight of a kitfox 4-1200 (Norway) |
Michel,
The wing on the model IV-1200 has the new faster airfoil, vs the draggier
undercambered (Avid) airfoil used on the model 1-3 Kitfox. So I wouldn't be
surprised to know the IV will cruise 10 mph faster.
Congrats on your test flight Geir! Nice looking airplane that sounds like
it should ba real screamer!
Paul Seehafer
Model IV-1200 912ul Amphib
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
I think that 2950 is right in the bullseye, Geir, and if you cruise faster
than me, it can be one of two reasons:
1) Your indicated air speed is not your real air speed. You may need a
static port line, or
2) Your model IV is more streamlined than my model III.
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| Subject: | The South Carolina Breakfast Club |
The SCBC is an informal group of pilots that gather every other Sunday for breakfast.
They're gathering this weekend at Moncks Corner (50J). I'm thinking of
joining them this time and I was wondering if there where any other Kitfoxes expecting
to attend.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129944#129944
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| Subject: | Re: first flight of a kitfox 4-1200 (Norway) |
I believe that Geir also reported that he was flying a Speedster wing which would
be faster still.
John
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
>
> Michel,
>
> The wing on the model IV-1200 has the new faster airfoil, vs the draggier
> undercambered (Avid) airfoil used on the model 1-3 Kitfox. So I wouldn't be
> surprised to know the IV will cruise 10 mph faster.
>
> Congrats on your test flight Geir! Nice looking airplane that sounds like
> it should ba real screamer!
>
> Paul Seehafer
> Model IV-1200 912ul Amphib
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michel Verheughe"
> I think that 2950 is right in the bullseye, Geir, and if you cruise faster
> than me, it can be one of two reasons:
> 1) Your indicated air speed is not your real air speed. You may need a
> static port line, or
> 2) Your model IV is more streamlined than my model III.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>I believe that Geir also reported that he was flying a Speedster wing which
would be faster still.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Paul Seehafer"
<av8rps@tznet.com> <BR><BR>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
"Paul Seehafer" <AV8RPS@TZNET.COM><BR>> <BR>> Michel, <BR>> <BR>>
The wing on the model IV-1200 has the new faster airfoil, vs the draggier <BR>>
undercambered (Avid) airfoil used on the model 1-3 Kitfox. So I wouldn't
be <BR>> surprised to know the IV will cruise 10 mph faster. <BR>> <BR>>
Congrats on your test flight Geir! Nice looking airplane that sounds like
<BR>> it should ba real screamer! <BR>> <BR>> Paul Seehafer <BR>>
Model IV-1200 912ul Amphib <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message
----- <BR>> From: "Michel Verheughe" <MICHEL@ONLINE.NO><BR>> I think that
2950 is right in the bullseye, Geir, and if you cruise faster <BR>> than
me, it can be one of two reasons: <BR>> 1) Your i
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| Subject: | Rotax Voltage Regulator |
The Key West regulator works well for me.
I had a problem with my system and thought the regulator was the
problem. Swapped it out with no improvement. Turned out the grounding
was not right.
The original one should work fine; $30 if you want it.
Cheers,
Mark Napier
Time: 02:44:23 PM PST US
From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax Voltage Regulator
All,
It looks like my Rotax 582 three phase voltage regulator's
dying. (It will occasionally go over voltage. I can re-set it and get
it to work, but it's happening more often now.)
Does anyone have a recommended replacement? I've mounted it
in the engine compartment to minimize electrical noise in the cockpit
and I suspect things are a little hot for the stock Rotax unit. Has
anyone tried any of the Harley replacements? Any after-market units?
Or should I just increase the cooling to the Rotax unit?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Subaru oil loss |
Thanks Deke for the reply... My Sooby is the regular 100 hp NSI that has
the oil tank on the fire wall and breather comming out the top left sid
e. Unfortunately, that breather is spitting out oil at a qt an hour or
more even when warming up on the ground. It has the baffles which were
actually redone in 2001 acording to logbook entries. From what I've lea
rned from the kind KF group is that the oil which is being pumped back i
nto the firewall tank is splashing on the back of the tank and creating
a foam, which blows out the breather vent. It isn't over filled and hol
ds 2 3/4 qts of oil. I'm wondering if my oil has detergent in it that y
ours doesn't have which would give me more foam creation than you. What
kind of oil are you using? I've tried putting a bent tube in the inlet
of the oil tank to keep it from hitting the back of the wall, but it ma
de it worse. Please give more suggestions on how to fix the problem.
Thanks, layne
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| Subject: | ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!! |
AC 43.13-1B, Chapter 7, Paragraph 7-148 has the info on cable swaging. It's
available online at:
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/
99c827db9baac81b86256b4500596c4e/$FILE/Chapter%2007.pdf
Just scroll on down to the appropriate paragraph to read it.
John Hart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
Seehafer
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 9:02 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!!
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Paul do you know what the size of the properly crimped fitting is? I don't
have a terminal (go-no go) gauge but I do have several sets of Vernier
calipers.
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| Subject: | Re: first flight of a kitfox 4-1200 (Norway) |
On Aug 20, 2007, at 4:49 PM, kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
> I believe that Geir also reported that he was flying a Speedster wing
> which would be faster still.
Good point, John. I didn't think of that.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | S5 Sticky fuel valve |
MessageThanks Steve. While at Oshkosh I talked to the Andair rep and
looked over their valves. When I told him that I wanted a straight
through 0n-off valve where the "on" position of the handle was inline
with the fuel flow and the "off" position of the handle was
perpendicular to the flow. He told me that they don't make one like
that. It seemed pretty standard to me. Which model was yours? To
anybody, what did Skystar replace this "Imperial" valve with?
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 5:05 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve
I replaced mine with the Adair valve. ACS carried it. Yes a little
plumbing but worth it. Not a big deal. Should be a pic on the photo
section. Since your not running a kerosene heater you don't need the
valve that goes with one :)
Rick
8/17/2007 5:43 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Subaru oil loss |
Sorry to hear of your plight Layne. Yours appears to be the same as
mine.
"breather is spitting out oil at a qt an hour or more even when
warming up on the ground"
That's a lot of oil to be shooting out of there, especially when at idle
power. At any power setting there should be zero oil coming from the
breather so you definitely have something wrong in there. The fact that
there was a log book entry about the baffle indicates there is a
history, but unless it says why and what, it isn't a lot of help. It
just tells you that somebody has been in there for some reason.
These engines are pretty simple the way they work and not unique.
Simply, crankcase pressure pulses push the oil from the pan through a
check valve then up to the oil tank where gravity provides it to the oil
pump to pressurize the engine. It's a typical remote sump system and
works very well. The oil returning to the tank should not be able to
get into the vent line unless there's too much oil in the tank or the
baffle is either missing or modified in some way that it isn't doing
it's job. Does it appear to have been changed?
The first thing I would do is to drain all of the oil and replace it
with the recommended oil for the engine. I think it was Castrol GTX.
Also, while you're at it, remove the Oil tank and have a real good look
at the inside of it to see if you can find a clue to why this is
happening. Other than that, I don't know what to tell you right now.
Let us know how it goes.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 365+ TT
\----- Original Message -----
From: debrun26@juno.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Subaru oil loss
Thanks Deke for the reply... My Sooby is the regular 100 hp NSI that
has the oil tank on the fire wall and breather comming out the top left
side. Unfortunately, that breather is spitting out oil at a qt an hour
or more even when warming up on the ground. It has the baffles which
were actually redone in 2001 acording to logbook entries. From what
I've learned from the kind KF group is that the oil which is being
pumped back into the firewall tank is splashing on the back of the tank
and creating a foam, which blows out the breather vent. It isn't over
filled and holds 2 3/4 qts of oil. I'm wondering if my oil has
detergent in it that yours doesn't have which would give me more foam
creation than you. What kind of oil are you using? I've tried putting
a bent tube in the inlet of the oil tank to keep it from hitting the
back of the wall, but it made it worse. Please give more suggestions
on how to fix the problem. Thanks, layne
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| Subject: | S5 Sticky fuel valve |
Look at the photo section. You may be able to tell the model. I don't
remember, it has been a while. I know it was in line no 90s to plumb
, just some adaptors and different length tube. Not sure of the valve
orientation but it had a nice detent lock for open and closed.
Rick
8/19/2007 7:27 AM
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I may be coming in late and may be all wet here, but,,,
What is the compression of each cylinder? If one or more (all?) is low, it
may indicate a lot of blow-by which pressures the crankcase to push the oil
out to the tank on the firewall. If there is too much blow-by, the loss may
simply be due to the high volume of gas passing through the oil tank.
This may not be a nice thought, but I feel it should be ruled out.
Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH
Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S (also a dry sump engine),
Warp Drive Taper Tip
Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Subaru oil loss
Sorry to hear of your plight Layne. Yours appears to be the same as mine.
"breather is spitting out oil at a qt an hour or more even when warming
up on the ground"
That's a lot of oil to be shooting out of there, especially when at idle
power. At any power setting there should be zero oil coming from the
breather so you definitely have something wrong in there. The fact that
there was a log book entry about the baffle indicates there is a history,
but unless it says why and what, it isn't a lot of help. It just tells you
that somebody has been in there for some reason.
These engines are pretty simple the way they work and not unique. Simply,
crankcase pressure pulses push the oil from the pan through a check valve
then up to the oil tank where gravity provides it to the oil pump to
pressurize the engine. It's a typical remote sump system and works very
well. The oil returning to the tank should not be able to get into the vent
line unless there's too much oil in the tank or the baffle is either missing
or modified in some way that it isn't doing it's job. Does it appear to
have been changed?
The first thing I would do is to drain all of the oil and replace it with
the recommended oil for the engine. I think it was Castrol GTX. Also,
while you're at it, remove the Oil tank and have a real good look at the
inside of it to see if you can find a clue to why this is happening. Other
than that, I don't know what to tell you right now.
Let us know how it goes.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 365+ TT
\----- Original Message -----
From: debrun26@juno.com
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Subaru oil loss
Thanks Deke for the reply... My Sooby is the regular 100 hp NSI that has the
oil tank on the fire wall and breather comming out the top left side.
Unfortunately, that breather is spitting out oil at a qt an hour or more
even when warming up on the ground. It has the baffles which were actually
redone in 2001 acording to logbook entries. From what I've learned from the
kind KF group is that the oil which is being pumped back into the firewall
tank is splashing on the back of the tank and creating a foam, which blows
out the breather vent. It isn't over filled and holds 2 3/4 qts of oil.
I'm wondering if my oil has detergent in it that yours doesn't have which
would give me more foam creation than you. What kind of oil are you using?
I've tried putting a bent tube in the inlet of the oil tank to keep it from
hitting the back of the wall, but it made it worse. Please give more
suggestions on how to fix the problem. Thanks, layne
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| Subject: | ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!! |
What I was looking for was the width of the gauge at the bottom of pg 7-34
Par 7-148 the chart doesn't give the size of the opening for the terminal
gauge .... Paul was able to find a reference to .340in.. I just finished
re-crimping or swaging with a calibrated crimper so now all my crimps are
within .001 in. of the .340. If it was my own tool I would have calibrated
it for a couple of thousandths tighter.
Noel
All that is left is to square the wings with the floats and lockwire the
turnbuckles.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> John W. Hart
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 2:47 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!!
>
>
> <akanka@kiamichiwb.org>
>
> AC 43.13-1B, Chapter 7, Paragraph 7-148 has the info on cable
> swaging. It's
> available online at:
>
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/
99c827db9baac81b86256b4500596c4e/$FILE/Chapter%2007.pdf
>
> Just scroll on down to the appropriate paragraph to read it.
>
> John Hart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
> Seehafer
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 9:02 AM
> To: seaplane-list@matronics.com; kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!!
>
>
>
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> Paul do you know what the size of the properly crimped
> fitting is? I don't
> have a terminal (go-no go) gauge but I do have several sets of Vernier
> calipers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve |
MessageThanks Rick. Sorry for calling you Steve. What photo section
are you referring to?
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve
Look at the photo section. You may be able to tell the model. I don't
remember, it has been a while. I know it was in line no 90s to plumb
, just some adaptors and different length tube. Not sure of the valve
orientation but it had a nice detent lock for open and closed.
Rick
8/19/2007 7:27 AM
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| Subject: | S5 Sticky fuel valve |
It is the one hosted by the list. Use to be sportflight not sure how to
get to the new site. Someone can help I am sure. I would like to see
what's been going on myself. Hey not to worry been called worse.
Rick
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve
Thanks Rick. Sorry for calling you Steve. What photo section are you
referring to?
Deke
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From: HYPERLINK "mailto:wingsdown@verizon.net"Rick
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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve
Look at the photo section. You may be able to tell the model. I don't
remember, it has been a while. I know it was in line no 90s to plumb
, just some adaptors and different length tube. Not sure of the valve
orientation but it had a nice detent lock for open and closed.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Subaru oil loss |
Thanks Deke~ I'll give it a try... Replace oil, remove tank and insect
, etc.... I'm going right now to make a seperator to take care of the m
essy problem under the plane. I'm thinking of removing the remote tank
and mounting it lower so I can then put a verticle extention on the brea
ther. what do you think? Layne
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| Subject: | Rotax Voltage Regulator |
At 07:55 AM 8/20/2007, you wrote:
>I had a problem with my system and thought the regulator was the
>problem. Swapped it out with no improvement. Turned out the grounding
>was not right.
Mark,
What was the problem with the grounding? How did your
problem manifest itself?
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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