---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/22/07: 49 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:29 AM - Subaru oil loss (fox5flyer) 2. 04:51 AM - S5 Sticky fuel valve (fox5flyer) 3. 06:32 AM - Tech assistance, Low Fuel light (MA Stanard) 4. 06:35 AM - Magnetic Compass (Peter Graichen) 5. 07:20 AM - Re: Magnetic Compass (n85ae) 6. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: Magnetic Compass (Rueb, Duane) 7. 08:32 AM - Re: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light (kitfoxmike) 8. 08:56 AM - Re: Magnetic Compass (Noel Loveys) 9. 08:56 AM - Re: Magnetic Compass (Noel Loveys) 10. 08:57 AM - Re: Magnetic Compass (Noel Loveys) 11. 08:58 AM - Re: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light (Guy Buchanan) 12. 09:01 AM - Re: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light (Noel Loveys) 13. 09:08 AM - Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (Lynn Matteson) 14. 09:14 AM - Re: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light (Dave G.) 15. 09:19 AM - Re: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light (Marco Menezes) 16. 09:23 AM - Re: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light (Clint Bazzill) 17. 09:30 AM - Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (Guy Buchanan) 18. 10:23 AM - Installing Full lotus Floats on the KF (akflyer) 19. 10:39 AM - Re: Magnetic Compass (akflyer) 20. 10:54 AM - Re: Broken Kitfoxes everywhere at OSH! (Lynn Matteson) 21. 11:16 AM - Homebuilders, how do you cope? (Dave G.) 22. 11:20 AM - Re: Magnetic CompassMagnetic CompassMagnetic Compass (George Wells) 23. 11:24 AM - Re: Magnetic Compass (davyken@comcast.net) 24. 11:28 AM - Re: Kit fox-List: Homebuilders, how do you cope? (steve eccles) 25. 11:32 AM - Jury strut problems. (Dave G.) 26. 12:02 PM - Re: Broken Kitfoxes everywhere at OSH! (Michel Verheughe) 27. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (fox5flyer) 28. 01:22 PM - orings for starter mounting (akflyer) 29. 03:00 PM - Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? (Guy Buchanan) 30. 03:00 PM - Re: orings for starter mounting (Guy Buchanan) 31. 03:00 PM - Re: Broken Kitfoxes everywhere at OSH! (Guy Buchanan) 32. 03:01 PM - Re: 582 engine adjustments (akflyer) 33. 03:36 PM - Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? (Noel Loveys) 34. 04:32 PM - Re: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light (Todd Leiss) 35. 04:43 PM - Re: 582 engine adjustments (john beirne) 36. 05:25 PM - Re: orings for starter mounting (Noel Loveys) 37. 05:50 PM - Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? (Dave G.) 38. 06:13 PM - Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? (Steve Shinabery) 39. 06:55 PM - Re: degausser (Tim Vader) 40. 07:14 PM - Re: 582 engine adjustments (Jeffrey Dill) 41. 07:20 PM - Re: Broken Kitfoxes everywhere at OSH! (kirk hull) 42. 07:32 PM - Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? (kentk) 43. 07:59 PM - older egt sending Y or K wire? (Malcolmbru@aol.com) 44. 08:00 PM - Homebuilders, Here's how to cope! (Rexster) 45. 08:14 PM - Re: Homebuilders, Here's how to cope! (Malcolmbru@aol.com) 46. 08:23 PM - Re: 582 engine adjustments (akflyer) 47. 08:29 PM - Re: orings for starter mounting (akflyer) 48. 08:42 PM - Re: Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (JJProbasco@cs.com) 49. 09:39 PM - Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:27 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Subaru oil loss First, you can not use an aircraft differential compression tester on the NSI engine because of the freewheeling clutch. So, at any auto parts store you can buy an inexpensive compression tester that screws into a spark plug hole. About $30 will get a decent one. Just remove all of your spark plugs and screw the tester into a spark plug hole. Make a drawing of the layout so you can keep track of the readings of each cylinder. With the ignition "off" and throttle all the way to the firewall, to get the highest reading crank the engine over for about 20 seconds while watching the gauge then write it down on your diagram. Continue this for the other three then get back to us with your readings. There is a way you can differentiate between the valves and rings, but I don't have time to go into that yet. This is all pretty basic stuff so any of your friends who have mechanical knowledge should be able to help you with the check. WATCH OUT FOR THAT PROP. Also, if you find that pcv valve you spoke of, let me know where it is so I can take a look at mine. :-) Just kidding. There is no pcv valve on your engine, or shouldn't be anyway. Also, that breather line extending below the fuselage may be putting it in a low pressure area. I would cut it off so that it is up inside the cowling, but below the engine line. I assume you bought this engine "used"? Others who can add insight to this, feel free to jump in. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." Mark Twain ----- Original Message ----- From: debrun26@juno.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:36 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Subaru oil loss Thanks again Deke~ I went to the plane last night to try to start working on lowering the tank, making a seperator, and changing out the pvc valve. Found the tank couldn't be lowered w/o welding new connect points on it... so I don't need to worry about residual ramifications. Still trying to figure out the seperator proect. I hand cranked the prop to see if the cilinders stoll had close to the same pressure and found that 2 of them were significantly weaker than the others. This is a new developement and may explain the recent dramatic increase in oil loss through the breather. Now i need to figure out if it's due to cillinders or valves. That's a lot for a black thumb non-mechanic. I've found an auto sooby mechanic that will work on it just in case. I hope it will be OK for him to do the work instead of an A/P mechanic. Haven't found one of them that know a thing about Subaru engines. My breather line extends below the fusalage a good 10 inches, so I wouldn't think that would be a low pressure area. Layne ________________________________________________________________________ /2-2130421-177">Send your friends personalized video messages! Sign up for a FREE Juno account and start sending Video Mail today! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:08 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve MessageThis appears to be an older version that what Andair illustrates on their web site, but obviously it is what I'm looking for. On their web site, the best I can see is that when in the on position, the handle points perpendicular to the flow which is not what I want. While at Oshkosh, they said they didn't produce one where the indicator point faced the direction of flow on the straight through model. When I told him that I thought it was standard for the handle to follow the direction of flow he acted like he didn't know what to say. So, I said "thanks" and moved on. C'mon guys, what are you using out there? What is being supplied with the kits now, or is it something that has to be procured on your own? Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." Mark Twain ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:33 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve That is in the on position. If you look over to the right , hard to se, is the off words and an arrow pointing to off. Also note the aluminum fuel line visible through the flaperon control slot. Goes straight back from the fuel valve and the angles over to the side for clearance. So no 90s. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 7:32 AM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve Found it. http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1011 579067As you look at the valve in the picture, is it in the "on" or "off" position? Do you have any idea what the part number was? For all you folks who are fairly new to this list (last couple years) there's a lot of good information in the Sportflight web site hosted by Don Pearsall. A good archive of photos. http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=main Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 7:18 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve It is the one hosted by the list. Use to be sportflight not sure how to get to the new site. Someone can help I am sure. I would like to see what's been going on myself. Hey not to worry been called worse. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:44 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve Thanks Rick. Sorry for calling you Steve. What photo section are you referring to? Deke do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve Look at the photo section. You may be able to tell the model. I don't remember, it has been a while. I know it was in line no 90s to plumb , just some adaptors and different length tube. Not sure of the valve orientation but it had a nice detent lock for open and closed. 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Any ideas of how to get it off? Thanks, Michael ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:46 AM PST US From: "Peter Graichen" Subject: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Compass Gentlemen: Please don't write off the magnetic compass problem too easily, by replacing it with a GPS. The Magnetic Compass is a REQUIRED instrument in every airplane together with a properly filled out compass calibration card. I admit it is not the easiest thing to do; however it is not impossible. I have a full stack of radios and yet my S.I.R.S. Navigator (ASS), monted in the center top of my dash is calibrated within 2-3 degrees all the way around, using a set of calibrating balls. I understand that a couple of small pieces of magnetic refrigerator gasket, placed strategically around the compass, work just as well. Obviously it is a very tedious and time consuming job (couple of days), but believe me, it can be done. Peter Graichen ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:49 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Magnetic Compass From: "n85ae" I have a SIRS in the same place, and it works. I think it's simply a better compass than the others. I did not degauss either. Jeff Hays. Series 5, IO240B Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130243#130243 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:28 AM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Magnetic Compass From: "Rueb, Duane" Jeff: Do you love your IO240B4B as much as I do mine? Duane Rueb, K5 Safari -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n85ae Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:20 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Magnetic Compass I have a SIRS in the same place, and it works. I think it's simply a better compass than the others. I did not degauss either. Jeff Hays. Series 5, IO240B Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130243#130243 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:57 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light From: "kitfoxmike" I had problems with mine and the steps I took to correct were to: take any filters out of the system from tank to header. Remove the hose coming from the tanks and blow air in reverse to clear the screen in the tank. Replace the gaskets on the caps with the ones for the mercedees. Mine work great now. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying enough" Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130252#130252 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:44 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Compass I'm in 100% agreement with you Peter. Although he only time it should take more than an hour or two to swing a compass is if you have Electro Magnetic Interference (EMI) or for some reason can't use a compass rose. For the grass field guys you can lay out a compass rose using nails in the turf with a bit of fluorescent tope tied to the ends. I think you can easily go over board with compass swings as there are a lot of factors which contribute to good readings. Parallax and where the centre of the plane is are just two that come to mind. I have a little problem with my plane. It is on floats and that adds to the complexity of turning the plane to the correct headings with the engine running. I could do a swing while it is on the trailer but that will introduce a slight error. It was suggested to me that I set my GPS to read magnetic and on a calm day use it to get my headings and set the compass with the aeroplane underway. We have plenty of water around here and where ever you have plenty of water you will also have plenty of boats and other things you really wouldn't want to hit because you were fiddling with a compass. My only answer is someday to get someone who is qualified to slow taxi the plane ( that should take 5 min) to steer/drive the headings while I adjust the compass. It is out a couple of degrees right now but as long as I know which quadrant North is I'll be OK. One of the advantages of living on an island. Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern Campbellton, Newfoundland, Canada Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA Aerocet 1100s noelloveys@yahoo.ca > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Peter Graichen > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:06 AM > To: Kitfox List > Subject: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Compass > > > > Gentlemen: > > Please don't write off the magnetic compass problem too > easily, by replacing > it with a GPS. The Magnetic Compass is a REQUIRED instrument in every > airplane together with a properly filled out compass > calibration card. I > admit it is not the easiest thing to do; however it is not > impossible. I > have a full stack of radios and yet my S.I.R.S. > Navigator (ASS), monted in the center top of my dash is > calibrated within > 2-3 degrees all the way around, using a set of calibrating balls. I > understand that a couple of small pieces of magnetic > refrigerator gasket, > placed strategically around the compass, work just as well. > Obviously it is > a very tedious and time consuming job (couple of days), but > believe me, it > can be done. > Peter Graichen > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:44 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Compass did you try moving the compass to another location? Possibly above the windshield? You may have to install an aluminium support for it up there but it should be more or less free to work properly in that location. Noel. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Compass Seriously. I tried verticals, ball, correction balls, remote mount magnets. The only thing accurate and consistent was the GPS. I know the system can go down, but I figured it had more pluses than minuses. I kept the wet compass just for looks. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of michael paton Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Compass I got to add my name to this list of non functioning compasses , model 5, Michael paton Zambia 9J-FOX 912 100Hp steve eccles wrote: Don't know if anyone figured it out but I also have the compass problem in my model 5 Steve From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Wells Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Compass I have a Standard Airpath Pedestal Mount compass mounted in the center front edge of my Model 5 dash and it is nonfunctional due to a magnetic field interference. It works fine when away from that position. This is the second one I have had since the one in the plane when I got it was the same way and I thought it was defective. We went to a fly in this past saturday and I talked with 2 people who have the same problem in a Model 4 and 5. One used a pedestal compass and the other had a Vertical Card Compass. Anyway -- Has anyone found a way to damppen or get rid of thes magnetic interference ? Thanks href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com 8/20/2007 5:44 PM ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:13 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Compass did you try moving the compass to another location? Possibly above the windshield? You may have to install an aluminium support for it up there but it should be more or less free to work properly in that location. Noel. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Compass Seriously. I tried verticals, ball, correction balls, remote mount magnets. The only thing accurate and consistent was the GPS. I know the system can go down, but I figured it had more pluses than minuses. I kept the wet compass just for looks. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of michael paton Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Compass I got to add my name to this list of non functioning compasses , model 5, Michael paton Zambia 9J-FOX 912 100Hp steve eccles wrote: Don't know if anyone figured it out but I also have the compass problem in my model 5 Steve From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Wells Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Compass I have a Standard Airpath Pedestal Mount compass mounted in the center front edge of my Model 5 dash and it is nonfunctional due to a magnetic field interference. It works fine when away from that position. This is the second one I have had since the one in the plane when I got it was the same way and I thought it was defective. We went to a fly in this past saturday and I talked with 2 people who have the same problem in a Model 4 and 5. One used a pedestal compass and the other had a Vertical Card Compass. Anyway -- Has anyone found a way to damppen or get rid of thes magnetic interference ? Thanks href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com 8/20/2007 5:44 PM ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:37 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light At 06:31 AM 8/22/2007, you wrote: >My low fuel light is staying on with plenty of fuel in the header tank. > >Any ideas of how to get it off? There are certainly several possibilities: 1) It's stuck. 2) It's broken. 3) The fuel level's low. Don't discount this last. My header tank will run the top 1/2" dry upon re-fill until the turbulence works all the air out. I find it's also easy to get sealant on it during installation. Finally, if it's a float sensor, and the sensor falls off, (breaks,) the light will illuminate. Unfortunately you'll have to pull it and take a look.\ Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:59 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light It all depends on how the switch is wired. A lot are wired hot (B+) to the light and then the switch in the header tank only provides a ground when the fuel goes low. If this is how your light is wired then you probably have a short circuit (to ground) somewhere between the light itself and the switch. Favoured places are in block connectors where a wire can come part way out and short off either the frame of neighbouring wires. Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern Campbellton, Newfoundland, Canada Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA Aerocet 1100s noelloveys@yahoo.ca -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MA Stanard Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light Hello All, Im in need of some technical assistance. My low fuel light is staying on with plenty of fuel in the header tank. Any ideas of how to get it off? Thanks, Michael ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:46 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S5 Sticky fuel valve Deke- I'm using three "Brass mini ball valves" (as described in my Grainger Catalog)...one for each tank, and one for the main fuel line. I first saw these on Bill Willyard's Rotax-powered 'fox, and "stole" the idea. When the handle is in line with the flow, the valve is open. I used the 1/4" size. The cost is less than $5 each. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/369+ hrs On Aug 22, 2007, at 8:48 AM, fox5flyer wrote: > This appears to be an older version that what Andair illustrates on > their web site, but obviously it is what I'm looking for. On their > web site, the best I can see is that when in the on position, the > handle points perpendicular to the flow which is not what I want. > While at Oshkosh, they said they didn't produce one where the > indicator point faced the direction of flow on the straight through > model. When I told him that I thought it was standard for the > handle to follow the direction of flow he acted like he didn't know > what to say. So, I said "thanks" and moved on. > C'mon guys, what are you using out there? What is being supplied > with the kits now, or is it something that has to be procured on > your own? > > Deke Morisse ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:02 AM PST US From: "Dave G." Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light Add fuel is the normal way!! Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: MA Stanard To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light Hello All, Im in need of some technical assistance. My low fuel light is staying on with plenty of fuel in the header tank. Any ideas of how to get it off? Thanks, Michael ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:52 AM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light What kind of low fuel sensor do you have MIchael? Mechanical (float-type) or optical? Marco Menezes Kitfox II 582-90 N99KX MA Stanard wrote: Hello All, Im in need of some technical assistance. My low fuel light is staying on with plenty of fuel in the header tank. Any ideas of how to get it off? Thanks, Michael --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:11 AM PST US From: "Clint Bazzill" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light What kind of low fuel warning do you have? Is it the float type or light sensor type? From: "Dave G." Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light Add fuel is the normal way!! Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: MA Stanard To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light Hello All, Im in need of some technical assistance. My low fuel light is staying on with plenty of fuel in the header tank. Any ideas of how to get it off? Thanks, Michael _________________________________________________________________ See what youre getting intobefore you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:43 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve From: "Guy Buchanan" > C'mon guys, what are you using out there? What is being supplied with the kits now, or is it something that has to be procured on your own? Sorry Deke. I've been using the old Imperial 104-HD for the last year without problems. Don't know why. Maybe it's because I use 100LL. Guy -------- Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130266#130266 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:38 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Installing Full lotus Floats on the KF From: "akflyer" Well after I flew my brothers kitfox on the Northaire fiberglass clones it was decided that they has scaled them down too much and they were not of sufficient displacement to fly safely.... this was determined both scientificaly through 3D modeling and number crunching and by the good ole load her up and see what she does method.. We topped off the tanks and both got in, I powered up and as the tail of the floats left the beach the right float promptly sank. This is not a good feeling but luckily the lake was still real shallow and we did a real quick 180 to the right and pulled back to shore.. I kicked him out as it was just too nice of a day to not fly. I got in another 7.5 hrs of flight time that day while he stayed behind (twice as I had to come back and re-fuel) and mowed the area around the float plane parking. The next day I pulled the plane out of the water and yanked his floats off and rigged my set of full lotus 1260's to his plane. The original skystar mounts were 10" to far back on the floats and the rear mount was 1" to long. I moved the mounts forward but did not shorten the rear leg till after my first test flight. I have now flown it at gross and I think I can move the floats back another 3"-4" and I wont have to force the nose over at gross. If anyone is having trouble getting on step at gross weight, then the cure is to move the step further back. Full Lotus recomends the step be 4-8" behind the CG. I put the step 2" behind the aft CG location and I think the factory knows best.. I will move them back one mounting hole and drill yet another set of front holes. I hate putting all the holes in the tubes, but once I find what works best, I can get new aluminum tubes and drill those once. As far as flying..solo and full fuel she is almost instantly on step and pops off the water in 5-6 seconds at 35-40 and climbs out quite nice 700-800 fpm. Full fuel and dual (at ahemmmm... gross) it takes about a 12-15 seconds. She plows a bit and you have to force the nose over with full down, but once on top of the water at about 15 mph she accelerates very quick to 40. you can either them pop the flaperons on to break water or roll one float out then lift off. I perfer to roll a float so I can keep a hand on the throttle just for grins and giggles. The cruise speed went up 4-5 MPH with the full lotus over the northaire floats and the climb out is about 250 fpm better. For the places I go, you just can't beat the full lotus floats. I landed in a popular place for the Beaver and Otter drivers and chatted with a Otter driver buddy who was there waiting on the clients to get their limit of fish. He had heard me talking about all the things I can do witht the full lotus floats so he asked for a demonstration. I ran around on the grass and tundra and then took off from the grass. Another pilot flew over and asked him how long it took the guy that landed long to get unstuck.. he replied that the tracks were not from someone who landed long and Missed the lake, but were done on purpose to demonstrate the floats.. the other pilot was blown away that a guy on floats would intentionaly go out in the grass. My brother also learned float flying 101 that day.. cell phone goes in a zippered pocket or the fishes will be taking all your calls from now on.. Attached are a few pics of a flight around Cook Inlet and Tuxidney Bay as well as one of us tied up at John Stoners dock. As you can see he has the original skystar rigging and placement. We are trying to talk him into moving the floats so he can get off the water at gross weight. -------- Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130271#130271 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imga0186_159.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/imga0184_911.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/imga0135_747.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/imga0101_170.jpg ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:31 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Magnetic Compass From: "akflyer" I have used a hand held AC mag yoke for doing several airframes. I just go over the tubes with the gauss meter to determine the areas with a magnetic field, then de-magnitize the area. To de-mag the area, you start out with the mag yoke on the tube powered up, and leaving the power on you slowly pull the yoke off the tubes with a twisting motion and leave the power on till you are a good 12" away from the tubes. I have never spend more than an hour on an airframe to de-mag the cockpit area. You can order a cheap gauss meter from harbor freight or many other online stores. A quick google search should have one at your door in no time. As was mentioned above, pull your radios and compass out before you start playing with the mag yoke. I am at work for 2 weeks, but would be more than happy to send you my mag yoke and gauss meter if you cant find one localy when I get back home. -------- Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130276#130276 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:21 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Broken Kitfoxes everywhere at OSH! I just got back to dealing with my email, and the 200+ messages. Is there another Lynn with a "broken" Kitfox? Who is Lynn Farnsworth? Is he the yellow 'fox with the broken prop? Good to see that he got it going again. I'm still downloading the video called "Emergency Aircraft Repair" and it's taking FOREVER on this dial-up line. If you're referring to me, Guy, I had the battery die on my plane while lining up for the "Homebuilder's Review". I had them tow it over to Emergency Aircraft Repair so I could charge the battery. It started just fine later that evening. What happened was that during the looooooooong taxi down to the threshold of 36, I had to taxi slowly behind other planes, and my engine loaded up, and I couldn't very well clean it out without revving it up and taking a chance on gobbling up somebody's rudder in front of me. Then when I went to shut it down, I usually shut off the main fuel valve and let the engine run for a few minutes to lower the amount of fuel in the bowl. Then during a restart, the engine will start immediately. If I miss doing this (and I did), I have to treat it like a flooded car engine, and hold full open throttle 'til it starts...about 10-15 seconds. When it didn't start right away, I went to "choke mode" and this only worsened the problem, then the battery began to get low, and finally gave up the ghost. I had left the master on the night before, charging my cell phone, and this took a little bit out of the battery, but it started fine just before heading for the Homebuilder's Review. It was just all that taxiing, loading up of the engine, and neglecting my normal shutdown/starting procedures that caused that embarrassing scene in front of the "amassed thousands" who had all come to see the #3 fly....yeah, RIGHT!! : ) Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/369+ hrs do not archive On Aug 15, 2007, at 12:48 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote: > > At 01:37 PM 8/14/2007, you wrote: >> Check out EAA's web videos to see a couple of our very own making >> the spotlight.....well, sort of. I'm sure not in a way they would >> like to be known for, but attention just the same. > > Hey that's our own Lynn Farnsworth! He's a star! (I wonder what was > wrong with the Jab?) (Man that guy gets around. Last I saw him he > was at Lowell's in Cameron Park, CA.) > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:27 AM PST US From: "Dave G." Subject: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders, how do you cope? I live in a middle class subdivision. House on house and no privacy to speak of. I absolutely have to take the plane out into the driveway to work on it with the wings on. Yesterday I had a little girl stand at the end of my driveway screaming "It's an airplane! " at the top of her lungs over and over again. Today I had an endless parade of men in trade trucks who should be working stop by to offer opinions etc. and a man who does not live in my neighbourhood going around the block several times and staring. I felt like I was being "cased" for a theft. Creepy. Finally I just gave up, too angry and frustrated to continue in my role as "circus performer" for the world. I'll continue my project when I can get hangar space. I know a lot of you are stuck in the same position, how do you cope! I'm pretty sure screaming "F*** OFF" won't help. Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:09 AM PST US From: "George Wells" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Magnetic CompassMagnetic CompassMagnetic Compass Thanks Rick and others. I guess I will give up and just use my 296 !! George ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:19 AM PST US From: davyken@comcast.net A long time ago I found directions on the list to build my own degausser. It wasn't hard and worked pretty good. I mounted a rheostat on a board with a large light bulb. From that I ran a long wire that I could wrap around the part with a magnetic field. Run the rheostat down to zero, the light bulb goes out and the magnetic field is gone. I'll attach a photo. It's a little dark but the wire is wrapped around the axle. I did this because I found that after cutting my axle in half, there was a large enough magnetic field that I could pick up one half of the axle with the other. I used this method to remove the field from these parts and form all of the tubing around the cabin. Hope this helps, Ken Davy N1701S Classic IV 912 Time: 10:41:19 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Compass At 10:05 AM 8/21/2007, you wrote: >Anyway -- Has anyone found a way to damppen or get rid of thes >magnetic interference ? Hi George, Check the archives, this has been covered before. I had the same problem and it was caused by residual welding fields in the tube frame, particularly the two upper panel mount tubes. I originally had to rent the big degausser from Sacramento Sky Ranch and degauss the entire area. I was able to eliminate enough interference to correct the remainder with the compass correctors. Sometime later I accidently did a bit of welding, shorting the battery, which renewed the interference. This I was able to eliminate using a little hand degausser I bought off the web. (Apparently this second time I only magnetized the surface of the tubes. When I tried the hand degausser before it hadn't helped at all.) There's a little round, fairly inexpensive, gauss meter you can buy to check the magnetization of your structure. I recommend it. The only problem with the big degausser is that you need to keep your avionics/electronics at least 12" away from it when it's running. Otherwise you'll modi fy the m.
A long time ago I found directions on the list to build my own degausser.  It wasn't hard and worked pretty good.  I mounted a rheostat on a board with a large light bulb.  From that I ran a long wire that I could wrap around the part with a magnetic field.  Run the rheostat down to zero, the light bulb goes out and the magnetic field is gone.
 
I'll attach a photo.  It's a little dark but the wire is wrapped around the axle.
 
I did this because I found that after cutting my axle in half, there was a large enough magnetic field that I could pick up one half of the axle with the other.  I used this method to remove the field from these parts and form all of the tubing around the cabin.
 
Hope this helps,
Ken Davy
N1701S
Classic IV 912
 

Time: 10:41:19 AM PST US

From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>

Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Compass

At 10:05 AM 8/21/2007, you wrote:

>Anyway -- Has anyone found a way to damppen or get rid of thes

>magnetic interference ?

Hi George,

Check the archives, this has been covered before. I had the same problem and it was caused by residual welding fields in the tube frame, particularly the two upper panel mount tubes. I originally had to rent the big degausser from Sacramento Sky Ranch and degauss the entire area. I was able to eliminate enough interference to correct the remainder with the compass correctors. Sometime later I accidently did a bit of welding, shorting the battery, which renewed the interference. This I was able to eliminate using a little hand degausser I bought off the web. (Apparently this second time I only magnetized the surface of the tubes. When I tried the hand degausser before it hadn't helped at all.) There's a little round, fairly inexpensive, gauss meter you can buy to check the magnetization of your structure. I recommend it.  The only problem with the big degausser is that you need to keep your avionics/electronics at least 12" away from it when it's running. Otherwise you 'll mo dify them.

________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:06 AM PST US From: "steve eccles" Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kit fox-List: Homebuilders, how do you cope? Dave At least you don't have people think you are a nut case ,who would ever think that you could build an airplane, I got it all the time Steve From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G. Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 1:16 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders, how do you cope? I live in a middle class subdivision. House on house and no privacy to speak of. I absolutely have to take the plane out into the driveway to work on it with the wings on. Yesterday I had a little girl stand at the end of my driveway screaming "It's an airplane! " at the top of her lungs over and over again. Today I had an endless parade of men in trade trucks who should be working stop by to offer opinions etc. and a man who does not live in my neighbourhood going around the block several times and staring. I felt like I was being "cased" for a theft. Creepy. Finally I just gave up, too angry and frustrated to continue in my role as "circus performer" for the world. I'll continue my project when I can get hangar space. I know a lot of you are stuck in the same position, how do you cope! I'm pretty sure screaming "F*** OFF" won't help. Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:17 AM PST US From: "Dave G." Subject: Kitfox-List: Jury strut problems. I cannot seem to get the jury struts set up right. I inherited a position of 52 3/4" on one side and 52.5" on the other for the jury struts on the front spars. I cannot get this to fit and be vertical with the new struts. Is there any way out of this? How critical is it? Can I shorten a jury strut? I've asked John McBean and am waiting an answer but perhaps some of the builders can help. occom@ns.sympatico.ca Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:46 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Broken Kitfoxes everywhere at OSH! On Aug 22, 2007, at 7:58 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote: > Then when I went to shut it down, I usually shut off the main fuel > valve and let the engine run for a few minutes to lower the amount of > fuel in the bowl. Then during a restart, the engine will start > immediately. That's interesting, Lynn. I also need a few seconds on the starter if I stop my Jabiru then start it again say, ten minutes later. I thought it was the opposite happening; the heat of the engine evaporates the fuel in the carburettor. But your experience is that it is flooding. I think I will try your method the next time I know I have to start again a warm engine. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:34 PM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve Thanks for the response Guy. Mine was OK for the first year or so also, but it slowly began to get difficult to turn. Removing it, cleaning and lubing would solve the problem, but only temporary and now it only works for a few months. I don't think these valves were designed for gasoline. Probably fuel oil or something like that. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Buchanan" Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:30 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve > > > > C'mon guys, what are you using out there? What is being supplied with the kits now, or is it something that has to be procured on your own? > > > Sorry Deke. I've been using the old Imperial 104-HD for the last year without problems. Don't know why. Maybe it's because I use 100LL. > > Guy > > -------- > Guy Buchanan > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130266#130266 > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:13 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: orings for starter mounting From: "akflyer" Guys, I needed to replace the orings on my starter for the 582 and a call to CPS gave me a bit of a jolt.. I was quoted $68.60 for the orings.. As they are metric, I could not find any localy. I did a bit of searching around and found a manufacture that would sell direct to me if I ordered in quantity. The end result if I break it down is $3.00 for the orings needed per installation plus about 4.55 shipping if you want them priority mail or the cost of a stamp to just drop them to you in an envelope. If anyone needs the orings replaced and does not want to pay the cost of two fill ups to do it, drop me a note as I have lots of them on the way. These are Buna-n orings and are the exact size that rotax calls for. -------- Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130305#130305 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:14 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders, how do you cope? At 11:15 AM 8/22/2007, you wrote: >I'll continue my project when I can get hangar space. DON'T DO IT! Better to scream "F*** OFF". >I know a lot of you are stuck in the same position, how do you cope! >I'm pretty sure screaming "F*** OFF" won't help. Help whom? Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:14 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: orings for starter mounting At 01:21 PM 8/22/2007, you wrote: >If anyone needs the orings replaced and does not want to pay the >cost of two fill ups to do it, drop me a note as I have lots of them >on the way. These are Buna-n orings and are the exact size that >rotax calls for. Hi Leonard, I loved your pictures. I'll get mine on the water someday. Regarding your O-rings, did you try McMaster? (www.mcmaster.com) You have to buy a box of 100, but that's only about $10, (plus shipping,) less than the two fill-ups you intimated. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:14 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Broken Kitfoxes everywhere at OSH! At 10:58 AM 8/22/2007, you wrote: >If you're referring to me, Guy, I had the battery die on my plane >while lining up for the "Homebuilder's Review". I had them tow it >over to Emergency Aircraft Repair so I could charge the battery. It >started just fine later that evening. LOL! Man I could screw up a wet dream! Sorry Lynn. I thought of you and another name popped out. I'm glad to hear it was no big deal. It was a nice video, though. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:46 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 engine adjustments From: "akflyer" a 2 stroke engine will "4 cycle" if the mixture is way rich! that is the only way a 2 stroke will "4 cycle". Having too much pitch will also put a heavy load on your engine and will indeed cause it to run hotter. nIf you are using the stock RPM gauge they are known to be out of calibration something fierce. Most seem to like the tiny tach and it seems to hold calibration just fine and matches very close to the optical tach. Is there anyone around your area that is familiar with 2 strokes that can help tune it? -------- Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130314#130314 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:38 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders, how do you cope? See if any of your neighbours will rent you their garage Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G. Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders, how do you cope? I live in a middle class subdivision. House on house and no privacy to speak of. I absolutely have to take the plane out into the driveway to work on it with the wings on. Yesterday I had a little girl stand at the end of my driveway screaming "It's an airplane! " at the top of her lungs over and over again. Today I had an endless parade of men in trade trucks who should be working stop by to offer opinions etc. and a man who does not live in my neighbourhood going around the block several times and staring. I felt like I was being "cased" for a theft. Creepy. Finally I just gave up, too angry and frustrated to continue in my role as "circus performer" for the world. I'll continue my project when I can get hangar space. I know a lot of you are stuck in the same position, how do you cope! I'm pretty sure screaming "F*** OFF" won't help. Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 do not archive ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:46 PM PST US From: "Todd Leiss" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light When I put mine in, I thought it was in correctly. In fact I had mounted it upside down. I still am shaking my head about that one.... Todd Leiss Model IV Speedster - 912UL ----- Original Message ----- From: MA Stanard Sent: 8/22/2007 9:37:57 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light Hello All, Im in need of some technical assistance. My low fuel light is staying on with plenty of fuel in the header tank. Any ideas of how to get it off? Thanks, Michael ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:42 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 engine adjustments From: "john beirne" Recently had a similar problem with a rough running engine below 4000rpm and in order to adjust the carbs I removed the propeller, and ran the engine safely, taking care not to bring the revs up high with no prop loading Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130339#130339 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:38 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: orings for starter mounting Your Note just got filed in my special flight folder. Thanks Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:52 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: orings for starter mounting > > > > Guys, > I needed to replace the orings on my starter for the 582 and > a call to CPS gave me a bit of a jolt.. I was quoted $68.60 > for the orings.. As they are metric, I could not find any > localy. I did a bit of searching around and found a > manufacture that would sell direct to me if I ordered in > quantity. The end result if I break it down is $3.00 for the > orings needed per installation plus about 4.55 shipping if > you want them priority mail or the cost of a stamp to just > drop them to you in an envelope. If anyone needs the orings > replaced and does not want to pay the cost of two fill ups > to do it, drop me a note as I have lots of them on the way. > These are Buna-n orings and are the exact size that rotax calls for. > > -------- > Leonard Perry > Soldotna AK > Avid "C" / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA > Full Lotus 1260 > 95% complete > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130305#130305 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:52 PM PST US From: "Dave G." Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders, how do you cope? MessageWouldn't work Noel. Clearly you've never seen a suburban garage, They are for storing bicycles the kids no longer ride, toys the kids no longer play with, old broken appliances, fertiilzer, lawn implemants, hose and God knows what's behind that layer! I only know one person who parks a car in one. Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Noel Loveys To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders, how do you cope? See if any of your neighbours will rent you their garage Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G. Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:46 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders, how do you cope? I live in a middle class subdivision. House on house and no privacy to speak of. I absolutely have to take the plane out into the driveway to work on it with the wings on. Yesterday I had a little girl stand at the end of my driveway screaming "It's an airplane! " at the top of her lungs over and over again. Today I had an endless parade of men in trade trucks who should be working stop by to offer opinions etc. and a man who does not live in my neighbourhood going around the block several times and staring. I felt like I was being "cased" for a theft. Creepy. Finally I just gave up, too angry and frustrated to continue in my role as "circus performer" for the world. I'll continue my project when I can get hangar space. I know a lot of you are stuck in the same position, how do you cope! I'm pretty sure screaming "F*** OFF" won't help. Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 do not archive href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:52 PM PST US From: Steve Shinabery Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders, how do you cope? I belive it is time for you to have a hanger.I love my hanger.I can go out to the airport and relax,and do what I like to do.work on my kit fox.in peace.no body bothers me.just the guys that some time hang out there at the airport.and some times they will help out when I need it the most.My second home.some times my first home.the only place to have your plane in its own hanger. Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 Dave G. wrote: > Wouldn't work Noel. Clearly you've never seen a suburban garage, They > are for storing bicycles the kids no longer ride, toys the kids no > longer play with, old broken appliances, fertiilzer, lawn implemants, > hose and God knows what's behind that layer! I only know one person > who parks a car in one. > > Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Noel Loveys > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:28 PM > *Subject:* RE: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders, how do you cope? > > See if any of your neighbours will rent you their garage > > Noel > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Dave G. > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:46 PM > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Kitfox-List: Homebuilders, how do you cope? > > I live in a middle class subdivision. House on house and no > privacy to speak of. I absolutely have to take the plane out > into the driveway to work on it with the wings on. Yesterday I > had a little girl stand at the end of my driveway screaming > "It's an airplane! " at the top of her lungs over and over > again. Today I had an endless parade of men in trade trucks > who should be working stop by to offer opinions etc. and a man > who does not live in my neighbourhood going around the block > several times and staring. I felt like I was being "cased" for > a theft. Creepy. Finally I just gave up, too angry and > frustrated to continue in my role as "circus performer" for > the world. I'll continue my project when I can get hangar > space. I know a lot of you are stuck in the same position, how > do you cope! I'm pretty sure screaming "F*** OFF" won't help. > > > Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 > do not archive > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:00 PM PST US From: "Tim Vader" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: degausser Ken Looks like a great setup. I researched the archives but couldn't find anything on construction or use so I have a few questions. How long do you keep the current flowing at high power before you slowly reduce to nothing? Do you think this unit can be used on the instrument panel support tubes with instruments in the panel (ammeter, voltmeter, tach, egt etc.) without damaging them? Tim Vader Calgary, Alberta Classic IV EA81 Repairing ----- Original Message ----- From: davyken@comcast.net To: Kitfox Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:23 PM A long time ago I found directions on the list to build my own degausser. It wasn't hard and worked pretty good. I mounted a rheostat on a board with a large light bulb. From that I ran a long wire that I could wrap around the part with a magnetic field. Run the rheostat down to zero, the light bulb goes out and the magnetic field is gone. I'll attach a photo. It's a little dark but the wire is wrapped around the axle. I did this because I found that after cutting my axle in half, there was a large enough magnetic field that I could pick up one half of the axle with the other. I used this method to remove the field from these parts and form all of the tubing around the cabin. Hope this helps, Ken Davy N1701S Classic IV 912 Time: 10:41:19 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Compass At 10:05 AM 8/21/2007, you wrote: >Anyway -- Has anyone found a way to damppen or get rid of thes >magnetic interference ? Hi George, Check the archives, this has been covered before. I had the same problem and it was caused by residual welding fields in the tube frame, particularly the two upper panel mount tubes. I originally had to rent the big degausser from Sacramento Sky Ranch and degauss the entire area. I was able to eliminate enough interference to correct the remainder with the compass correctors. Sometime later I accidently did a bit of welding, shorting the battery, which renewed the interference. This I was able to eliminate using a little hand degausser I bought off the web. (Apparently this second time I only magnetized the surface of the tubes. When I tried the hand degausser before it hadn't helped at all.) There's a little round, fairly inexpensive, gauss meter you can buy to check the magnetization of your structure. I recommend it. The only problem with the big degausser is that you need to keep your avionics/electronics at least 12" away from it when it's running. Otherwise you 'll mo dify them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 8/22/2007 9:05 AM ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:38 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 engine adjustments From: "Jeffrey Dill" <1dillfamily@comcast.net> Good stuff. I will consider running it without the prop to adjust the air screw by ear without getting sliced and diced. This guy who has looked at it once claims to be experienced with two cycles. He is an aircfraft owner and pilot but his experience has been on motorcycles and such. We ran the engine after moving the needle valve from the third notch to the second. After running the engine like that and looking at the spark plugs, he felt it was running too hot, and we put it back to the third notch. I flew it today after setting the pitch for 6200RPM static. I saw about 1050 on the EGT, which I hear is about right. I would say it ran cooler with the lower pitch, but the OAT was much cooler, and I still saw 180 deg F a time or two. The cloud above me sprinkled a bit on my windshield. Naturally I thought I had sprung a leak and high-tailed it home. It is still four cycling at the lower RPMs. We had messed with the air screw before, but after reading those aforementioned web pages, I reset them to one turn out. I think it is worse now. Are they still affecting the mixture in the 4000-5000 RPM range? I have to get above 5000 to guarantee no skipping. Thanks for your insights. I attached a picture for grins. -------- Jeff Dill Model 2, 767JD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130374#130374 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n767jdportview_111.jpg ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:02 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Broken Kitfoxes everywhere at OSH! I flew in to Brodhead and then on to OSH the next day stayed the week and made it home to Kansas City with no problems other then weather. 205AK (red classic 4 with a Subaru) performed flawlessly. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Broken Kitfoxes everywhere at OSH! I just got back to dealing with my email, and the 200+ messages. Is there another Lynn with a "broken" Kitfox? Who is Lynn Farnsworth? Is he the yellow 'fox with the broken prop? Good to see that he got it going again. I'm still downloading the video called "Emergency Aircraft Repair" and it's taking FOREVER on this dial-up line. If you're referring to me, Guy, I had the battery die on my plane while lining up for the "Homebuilder's Review". I had them tow it over to Emergency Aircraft Repair so I could charge the battery. It started just fine later that evening. What happened was that during the looooooooong taxi down to the threshold of 36, I had to taxi slowly behind other planes, and my engine loaded up, and I couldn't very well clean it out without revving it up and taking a chance on gobbling up somebody's rudder in front of me. Then when I went to shut it down, I usually shut off the main fuel valve and let the engine run for a few minutes to lower the amount of fuel in the bowl. Then during a restart, the engine will start immediately. If I miss doing this (and I did), I have to treat it like a flooded car engine, and hold full open throttle 'til it starts...about 10-15 seconds. When it didn't start right away, I went to "choke mode" and this only worsened the problem, then the battery began to get low, and finally gave up the ghost. I had left the master on the night before, charging my cell phone, and this took a little bit out of the battery, but it started fine just before heading for the Homebuilder's Review. It was just all that taxiing, loading up of the engine, and neglecting my normal shutdown/starting procedures that caused that embarrassing scene in front of the "amassed thousands" who had all come to see the #3 fly....yeah, RIGHT!! : ) Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/369+ hrs do not archive On Aug 15, 2007, at 12:48 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote: > > At 01:37 PM 8/14/2007, you wrote: >> Check out EAA's web videos to see a couple of our very own making >> the spotlight.....well, sort of. I'm sure not in a way they would >> like to be known for, but attention just the same. > > Hey that's our own Lynn Farnsworth! He's a star! (I wonder what was > wrong with the Jab?) (Man that guy gets around. Last I saw him he > was at Lowell's in Cameron Park, CA.) > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:06 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? From: "kentk" I have the same arrangement and cope just fine (although I must admit that my plane doesn't draw that much attention). My neighbors (and their kids) all know what I am building and they pretty much take it in stride. One neighbor thought I was building a helicopter (only saw the fuelage). I enjoy the opportunity to show them that there are still people out there that dream about flying and are actually doing something about it (not just dreaming about it). I have only had one stranger stop and ask questions, and once I let a neighbor kid sit in the seat and play with the controls (stress testing, hehe). I guess it all depends on your personality, temperment and outlook on the building process. Maybe you could throw a tarp over it when you have to roll it out of the garage??? -------- Kent Knudsen College Station, TX K-IV 1200 / no engine / 25% done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130382#130382 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:20 PM PST US From: Malcolmbru@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: older egt sending Y or K wire? I think I may have a older set of egt sender wires with a new gage? my plugs look very dark with a lot of carbine building up in the manifold but I often hold egt's above 1200 and cruse at 5300 rpm with 1150egt my egt gage requires the newer wire. how can I tell which wire I have? malcolm michigan http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:59 PM PST US From: "Rexster" Subject: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders, Here's how to cope! Hey there Fellow Foxers, I think Kent's right. It's all how you look at it. I always enjoyed the visits by curious neighbors and their friends. My UPS driver stopped one day and asked what all these deliveries were for. When I told him I was building an airplane, he asked to come see it. From then on, he would a sk about it with each stop and often take a new look. Eventually, he sta rted stopping even without parts to deliver! One day, I rented a Cheroke e and took him, his wife and son for a ride. He was hooked. Lessons star ted within a couple weeks and he's now a pilot! After awhile, he left hi s job at UPS to start his own very successful landscaping business. Unfo rtunately, he very seldom has time to fly. He's built a house an hour no rth of here and never ended up flying in the Kitfox, yet! I got off the subject there, but my message is that you can either look at visitors as a distraction, or as an opportunity for sharing the love of aviation. Like most things in life, it's not the things that happen i n your life that determine your happiness, but rather your outlook and a ttitude toward those happenings. Rex in Michigan / Model 3 / 912UL / Warp / 620 hours of fun so far! Do not archive -- "kentk" wrote: I have the same arrangement and cope just fine (although I must admit th at my plane doesn't draw that much attention). My neighbors (and their kids) all know what I am building and they pretty much take it in stride . One neighbor thought I was building a helicopter (only saw the fuelag e). I enjoy the opportunity to show them that there are still people out the re that dream about flying and are actually doing something about it (no t just dreaming about it). I have only had one stranger stop and ask qu estions, and once I let a neighbor kid sit in the seat and play with the controls (stress testing, hehe). I guess it all depends on your personality, temperment and outlook on th e building process. Maybe you could throw a tarp over it when you have to roll it out of the garage??? -------- Kent Knudsen College Station, TX K-IV 1200 / no engine / 25% done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130382#130382 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:08 PM PST US From: Malcolmbru@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders, Here's how to cope! I am already getting the getters about not having enough to do this winter. last winter I finished a set of floats and am considering building another set when I haven't even mounted the set I have. I just ran into a old friend that has finished a Murphy Rebel(a old stile by wing )it took him 8 years and we all know how discouraged he got from time to time. just hang in there mal michigan http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:55 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 engine adjustments From: "akflyer" great looking bird! The midrange is what seems to be off. What jets are you running? and when you look at the jet chart, are you looking at the one with our without the air intake silencer. I have seen this happen...and the wrong jets were installed. Of course, since this is a midrange problem, you could go for the in-flight mixture adjustment and your problem should dissapear, as well as being able to richen up a tad on decent to keep the EGT's under control. Did you verify the idle RPM with the optical tach? 4-5 thousand is the midrange needle to the main jet area -------- Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130393#130393 ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:55 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: orings for starter mounting From: "akflyer" The place I ordered from had a per item minimum also... but it worked out to peanuts each till I tossed in the shipping from them lol..as you need 5 different sizes it was lots of minimums.. [/quote] Hi Leonard, I loved your pictures. I'll get mine on the water someday. Regarding your O-rings, did you try McMaster? (www.mcmaster.com) You have to buy a box of 100, but that's only about $10, (plus shipping,) less than the two fill-ups you intimated. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.[/quote] -------- Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130394#130394 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:36 PM PST US From: JJProbasco@cs.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve While at the big box home centers, I have often looked at the small brass ball valves that have teflon seals and are rated for air/gas/oil and thought they would be good for the KitFox fuel plumbing. But I haven't come up with a convenient and reliable way to stabilize the valve body against the handle twisting force. I don't think this force should be applied to the attached fuel lines. What amounting arrangement has proven successful for others? Jeff Probasco Model 5 ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:52 PM PST US From: "Jim_and_Lucy Chuk" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders, how do you cope? Probably most of them wish they were you and had an airplane to work on. Try to look on the bright side, (and look for land in the country) If you were washing the mini-van you wouldn't be somebody!! Hope that helps, Jim Chuk Avid MK IV/Jabiru 2200 (first flight with that engine before the weekend, I hope) >From: "Dave G." >To: >Subject: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders, how do you cope? Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 >15:15:40 -0300 > >I live in a middle class subdivision. House on house and no privacy to >speak of. I absolutely have to take the plane out into the driveway to work >on it with the wings on. Yesterday I had a little girl stand at the end of >my driveway screaming "It's an airplane! " at the top of her lungs over and >over again. Today I had an endless parade of men in trade trucks who should >be working stop by to offer opinions etc. and a man who does not live in my >neighbourhood going around the block several times and staring. I felt like >I was being "cased" for a theft. Creepy. Finally I just gave up, too angry >and frustrated to continue in my role as "circus performer" for the world. >I'll continue my project when I can get hangar space. I know a lot of you >are stuck in the same position, how do you cope! I'm pretty sure screaming >"F*** OFF" won't help. > > >Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 >do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Now you can see troublebefore he arrives http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.