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1. 03:33 AM - Re: Lynn's a Star! - Was Broken Kitfoxes (Lynn Matteson)
2. 03:42 AM - Re: Broken Kitfoxes everywhere at OSH! (Lynn Matteson)
3. 03:47 AM - Re: Broken Kitfoxes everywhere at OSH! (Lynn Matteson)
4. 03:49 AM - Re: Broken Kitfoxes everywhere at OSH! (Lynn Matteson)
5. 04:01 AM - Re: Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? (Dave G.)
6. 04:28 AM - Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? (Bob)
7. 04:52 AM - Re: 582 engine adjustments (Jeffrey Dill)
8. 04:55 AM - Re: Broken Kitfoxes everywhere at OSH! (Michel Verheughe)
9. 05:35 AM - Re: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light (Lynn Matteson)
10. 05:58 AM - Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? (Lynn Matteson)
11. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (Lynn Matteson)
12. 06:41 AM - Re: degausser (davyken@comcast.net)
13. 06:55 AM - Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? (crazyivan)
14. 07:05 AM - Homebuilders, how do you cope? (davyken@comcast.net)
15. 07:31 AM - Re: older egt sending Y or K wire? (Noel Loveys)
16. 08:01 AM - Re: Lynn's a Star! - Was Broken Kitfoxes (Lynn Matteson)
17. 08:11 AM - Re: 582 engine adjustments (akflyer)
18. 08:12 AM - Re: older egt sending Y or K wire? (Guy Buchanan)
19. 08:23 AM - Re: Lynn's a Star! - Was Broken Kitfoxes (wingnut)
20. 09:48 AM - New Rotax 912-S Running Rough... (JetPilot)
21. 10:04 AM - Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? (Dave G.)
22. 10:31 AM - Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? (n85ae)
23. 11:04 AM - Re: Ivo prop (kitfoxjunky)
24. 11:48 AM - Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve (Tom Jones)
25. 12:17 PM - Re: New Rotax 912-S Running Rough... (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
26. 12:20 PM - Re: Ivo prop (kitfoxmike)
27. 12:28 PM - Re: New Rotax 912-S Running Rough... (kitfoxmike)
28. 12:54 PM - S5 Sticky fuel valve (fox5flyer)
29. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: Lynn's a Star! - Was Broken Kitfoxes (Lynn Matteson)
30. 06:04 PM - Re: New Rotax 912-S Running Rough... (Todd Leiss)
31. 07:16 PM - Re: older egt sending J or K wire? (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
32. 08:56 PM - A totally thrilling flight (Noel Loveys)
33. 09:52 PM - Re: Sticky Fuel Valve (A H)
34. 10:03 PM - Re: older egt sending J or K wire? (Guy Buchanan)
35. 10:14 PM - Re: Coping (A H)
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| Subject: | Re: Lynn's a Star! - Was Broken Kitfoxes |
Marco-
You mean getting "busted" for having my Tiki lamps burning? (Geez,
what's wrong with having open flames in a dry(?) campsite with a few
hundred gasoline-carrying airplanes sitting nearby?)
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/369+ hrs
do not archive
On Aug 15, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> We haven't seen the last of Lynn's stardom. Go ahead, Lynn. Tell
> 'em about your other adventure at Airventure '07!
> What was the problem with the Jab?
>
> Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
>
> At 01:37 PM 8/14/2007, you wrote:
> >Check out EAA's web videos to see a couple of our very own making
> >the spotlight.....well, sort of. I'm sure not in a way they would
> >like to be known for, but attention just the same.
>
> Hey that's our own Lynn Farnsworth! He's a star! (I wonder what was
> wrong with the Jab?) (Man that guy gets around. Last I saw him he was
> at Lowell's in Cameron Park, CA.)
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not that gives answers, not web links. _-
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
> ===========================================================
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Kitfoxes everywhere at OSH! |
I got that hot tip from somebody on the Jabiru List, I think. What I
usually do is to land, taxi toward a parking place, and when I'm
about a minute or two from there, or about 200 feet short of parking,
I shut off the main fuel valve on the console. I've even had it quit
a few feet from the parking place, in which case I'll just turn it on
again, start it and shut off the main valve again, and continue to
taxi. Since I started to do this, it starts every time. If I forget
to do this, I have to treat it like a flooded engine, and give it
full throttle until it starts.
I can't figure out how you can flood an updraft carburetor, but this
system cures it, whatever is happening.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/369+ hrs
On Aug 22, 2007, at 3:01 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
> On Aug 22, 2007, at 7:58 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>> Then when I went to shut it down, I usually shut off the main fuel
>> valve and let the engine run for a few minutes to lower the amount
>> of fuel in the bowl. Then during a restart, the engine will start
>> immediately.
>
> That's interesting, Lynn. I also need a few seconds on the starter
> if I stop my Jabiru then start it again say, ten minutes later. I
> thought it was the opposite happening; the heat of the engine
> evaporates the fuel in the carburettor. But your experience is that
> it is flooding.
> I think I will try your method the next time I know I have to start
> again a warm engine.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Kitfoxes everywhere at OSH! |
Nice video, except for that old bald guy who was working on my plane!
Wonder who that was...I thought all this time that all pilots were
young and handsome, like John Wayne and Errol Flynn...
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/369+ hrs
do not archive
On Aug 22, 2007, at 5:42 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote:
>
> At 10:58 AM 8/22/2007, you wrote:
>> If you're referring to me, Guy, I had the battery die on my plane
>> while lining up for the "Homebuilder's Review". I had them tow it
>> over to Emergency Aircraft Repair so I could charge the battery. It
>> started just fine later that evening.
>
> LOL! Man I could screw up a wet dream! Sorry Lynn. I thought of you
> and another name popped out. I'm glad to hear it was no big deal.
> It was a nice video, though.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Kitfoxes everywhere at OSH! |
Well, in our campsite we had one "faulty" Jabiru (mine) and another
non-starting Rotax, who I will not name...I'll let him 'fess up.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/369+ hrs
do not archive
On Aug 22, 2007, at 10:19 PM, kirk hull wrote:
>
> I flew in to Brodhead and then on to OSH the next day stayed the
> week and
> made it home to Kansas City with no problems other then weather.
> 205AK (red
> classic 4 with a Subaru) performed flawlessly.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:58 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Broken Kitfoxes everywhere at OSH!
>
>
> I just got back to dealing with my email, and the 200+ messages. Is
> there another Lynn with a "broken" Kitfox? Who is Lynn Farnsworth? Is
> he the yellow 'fox with the broken prop? Good to see that he got it
> going again. I'm still downloading the video called "Emergency
> Aircraft Repair" and it's taking FOREVER on this dial-up line.
>
> If you're referring to me, Guy, I had the battery die on my plane
> while lining up for the "Homebuilder's Review". I had them tow it
> over to Emergency Aircraft Repair so I could charge the battery. It
> started just fine later that evening.
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? |
Now that'd be some size tarp. I think today might be better, things seem
quieter. The plumber has not returned, that's a relief. Very unpleasant
experience. I have met a number of people who were simply interested and
asked pleasant questions. I guess all it takes is one mouthy tool.
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "kentk" <kentk25@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:31 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope?
>
> I have the same arrangement and cope just fine (although I must admit that
> my plane doesn't draw that much attention). My neighbors (and their kids)
> all know what I am building and they pretty much take it in stride. One
> neighbor thought I was building a helicopter (only saw the fuelage).
>
> I enjoy the opportunity to show them that there are still people out there
> that dream about flying and are actually doing something about it (not
> just dreaming about it). I have only had one stranger stop and ask
> questions, and once I let a neighbor kid sit in the seat and play with the
> controls (stress testing, hehe).
>
> I guess it all depends on your personality, temperment and outlook on the
> building process. Maybe you could throw a tarp over it when you have to
> roll it out of the garage???
>
> --------
> Kent Knudsen
> College Station, TX
> K-IV 1200 / no engine / 25% done
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130382#130382
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? |
I've got the Vixen fuselage hanging from the garage ceiling, a minivan, car, and
a motorcycle, all in the garage. The fuselage is hanging by 3 mini block and
tackles, so can be on the floor within less than 5 minutes after the van and
car come out of the garage. Used to have a Stinson 10A fuselage taking the car's
place. It took a little while for the neighbors to get used to it but only
a couple of weekends. They hardly look twice now.
>From my experience, the guy looking again and again will be the one who can't
get up the nerve to stop and say "I wanna learn to fly some day." Give him a wave
and sooner or later he'll stop, then give him a wire brush and something to
clean.
BTW, the kayak, kids bikes, etc had to go into a new shed under the back deck.
I'll be back to working on the wings in the basement after the kids go back to
school next week.
Bob
Vixen
Damascus, MD
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Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
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| Subject: | Re: 582 engine adjustments |
"you could go for the in-flight mixture adjustment and your problem should dissapear"
I am unaware of this option. Are you talking about hardware to change the mixture
in flight? I have not found many 582 flyers in New England and certainly no
experts on carburation. The two guys I have hooked up with have not had this
problem.
We have referenced the chart more than once to verify the correct jetting, though
I cannot say from memory which it is. Right now I am cooperating with this
friend of a friend. He is focusing on syncronization of the two carbs. He feels
that there is sufficient play in the throttle system to allow them to open at
different rates. I have since added a brace to address the one location of play
he was seeing (fulcrum location). I think he might be barking up the wrong
tree since I have flown it since with same problem. But things have to be done
methodically to rule things out and home in on the actual problem, so I will
continue to cooperate with him as long as he is willing.
I wasn't watching the EGT yesterday on descent. I will go back to the book to see
what the concern is there. I was doing the Vy check to get it out of phase
1, which had me going up and down.
By the way, I mentioned in the past that my airspeed was reading low as compared
to GPS. I mentioned this to John McBean at Oshkosh and he said to vent the
altimeter to the back side of the dash (I had installed a Skystar static port).
So, yesterday, before takeoff, I loosened the tube to where I could do the
rest by hand in flight. In level flight, at 50 MPH indicated, I reached back
plucked the tube out and sure enough, the airspeed jumped right up to 55. Now
what do I do with that nice Skystar installation, ferry it around forever?
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Jeff Dill
Model 2, 767JD
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| Subject: | Broken Kitfoxes everywhere at OSH! |
> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
> I can't figure out how you can flood an updraft carburetor, but this
> system cures it, whatever is happening.
Thanks, Lynn, I'll try that too. Funny that good Jabiru tips must come from ...
the Kitfox list! :-)
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
PS: Yes I also thought that all pilots were handsome; what's why I started flying
in the first place but ... looking lately at the mirror ... I have doubts!
:-)
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| Subject: | Re: Tech assistance, Low Fuel light |
Hi Michael-
Being as how yours is a Murle Williams-built plane, it probably has
the Williams Aviation low-fuel system in it. That consists of a float
switch inside of a small aluminum tank. You may have fuel in your
header tank but none in the low-fuel switch tank. Make sure that the
vent line from the switch tank is not plugged or kinked. The way this
system works is the fuel runs from the wing tanks to the header tank,
and is vented up through the low-fuel tank and back up to the right-
hand (usually) wing tank. When fuel fills the header tank, it also
fills the low-fuel tank, lifting the float, and thus shutting off the
low-fuel light.
Also, like Noel said, make sure that the wiring is not grounded at
any place besides the ground wire from switch to ground....if this is
the type system you have.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/369+ hrs
On Aug 22, 2007, at 9:31 AM, MA Stanard wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Im in need of some technical assistance.
>
> My low fuel light is staying on with plenty of fuel in the header
> tank.
>
> Any ideas of how to get it off?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-
> ============================================================ _-
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? |
Good luck with the flight, Jim...keep us posted.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/369+ hrs
do not archive
On Aug 23, 2007, at 12:38 AM, Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote:
> <thesupe@hotmail.com>
>
> Probably most of them wish they were you and had an airplane to
> work on. Try to look on the bright side, (and look for land in the
> country) If you were washing the mini-van you wouldn't be
> somebody!! Hope that helps, Jim Chuk Avid MK IV/Jabiru 2200
> (first flight with that engine before the weekend, I hope)
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| Subject: | Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve |
I used two appropriate-sized Adel clamps around the body of the
valve, with the whole arrangement mounted on an aluminum plate.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/369+ hrs
On Aug 22, 2007, at 11:40 PM, JJProbasco@cs.com wrote:
> While at the big box home centers, I have often looked at the small
> brass ball valves that have teflon seals and are rated for air/gas/
> oil and thought they would be good for the KitFox fuel plumbing.
> But I haven't come up with a convenient and reliable way to
> stabilize the valve body against the handle twisting force. I
> don't think this force should be applied to the attached fuel
> lines. What amounting arrangement has proven successful for others?
>
> Jeff Probasco
> Model 5 _-
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
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Hi Tim,
I found that it didn't matter how long I ran the current at full strength as long
as I reduced it to zero. I tried it first on the axles before I installed
them and it removed the magnetic field. I believe the original thread started
when a builder found that his compass wouldn't swing at all from the magnetic
fields in his frame. I had noticed that steel filings tended to stick to my
tubing so I suspected I had some magnetic charge also. From all the different
suggestions offered on the list, this is what I tried. All I can say is that
it worked for me.
I degaussed all the tubing around the cockpit before I installed the instrument
panel. So, I have no idea if this would harm various types of instruments or
what a safe distance would be. I'd say use this method at your own risk with
the understanding that it's something you can cobble together from spare parts
in no time and not have to buy or rent a degausser.
Ken
N1701S
Classic IV / 912
Ken
Looks like a great setup. I researched the archives but couldn't find anything
on construction or use so I have a few questions. How long do you keep the current
flowing at high power before you slowly reduce to nothing? Do you think this
unit can be used on the instrument panel support tubes with instruments in
the panel (ammeter, voltmeter, tach, egt etc.) without damaging them?
Tim Vader
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<DIV>Hi Tim,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I found that it didn't matter how long I ran the current at full strength
as long as I reduced it to zero. I tried it first on the axles before I
installed them and it removed the magnetic field. I believe the original
thread started when a builder found that his compass wouldn't swing at all
from the magnetic fields in his frame. I had noticed that steel filings
tended to stick to my tubing so I suspected I had some magnetic charge also.
From all the different suggestions offered on the list, this
is what I tried. All I can say is that it worked for me.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I degaussed all the tubing around the cockpit before I installed the instrument
panel. So, I have no idea if this would harm various types of instruments
or what a safe distance would be. I'd say use this method at your
own risk with the understanding that it's something you can cobble together
from spare parts in no time and not have to buy or rent a degausser.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ken</DIV>
<DIV>N1701S</DIV>
<DIV>Classic IV / 912</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<P>Ken</P>
<P>Looks like a great setup. I researched the archives but couldn't find anything
on construction or use so I have a few questions. How long do you keep the
current flowing at high power before you slowly reduce to nothing? Do you think
this unit can be used on the instrument panel support tubes with instruments
in the panel (ammeter, voltmeter, tach, egt etc.) without damaging them?</P>
<P>Tim Vader</P></FONT></DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? |
In real life I'm like you, but for the sake of general aviation and experimental
aviation I'll play the diplomat. There are too many idiots that don't like
airplane noises trying to shut down our great small airports because they were
stupid enough to buy a house next to an airport and too many politicians trying
to tax us out of our ability to fly because the airlines want a tax break.
OK not so diplomatic..yet.
We need to be making as many friends as possible in the general population while trying not to alienate anybody. If you piss off some local councilman while working on your plane in your driveway then you'll end up with a law like they have in Jacksonville, FL, where you are not allowed to keep, maintain, or build an airplane on your property. http://www.jaxairplane.com/services.htm[/u]
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Dave
Speedster 912 UL
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| Subject: | Homebuilders, how do you cope? |
Hi Dave,
I had my share of nosy neighbors. Mostly they're curious and don't really know
where to start or what to ask.
Conversations usually ran like this:
"Have you flown it yet?" This was usually at a point when the plane had no engine,
fabric or instruments. No.
I live right next to the subdivision park. The second most asked question was
"Will you fly it from the park here?" No, kids play in the park. It wouldn't
be safe.
"Where will you fly it from?" I'll take it to an airport.
"How will you get it to the airport?" On a truck.
And so on.
I had that conversation pretty much once a week for a couple of years. My answer
came when I started fabric covering. I found that if you spray enough foul
smelling hazardous chemicals, all your neighbors move away. I also found that
it helps for the first year or so if you tell people it's a boat. Sooner or
latter you'll get questions like "Hey man, why does your boat have wings?" I'd
tell them that it's an "air boat" like in Florida. Mostly they'd just nod
and wander away like they understand it all. Another tip for keeping the curious
away. Install a cargo pod and when they ask what it is, tell them you can't
really say and then ask if they know of a source for enriched plutonium.
A new family moved in right next door about the time I was spraying the base color
coats. I came out of the garage in my Tyvek suit, spray mask and goggles
holding my paint gun and I hear a voice say "Luke, I am your father." It was
my new neighbor. He looked at me an laughed so hard he sat down in his driveway.
"Dude, what are you doing?" I explained it and we became best friends.
He's gone to Oshkosh with me several times and now is interested in building his
own plane. So, don't be too harsh. You might be scaring off a future convert.
Ken Davy
N1701S
Classic IV / 912
I live in a middle class subdivision. House on house and no privacy to speak of.
I absolutely have to take the plane out into the driveway to work on it with
the wings on. Yesterday I had a little girl stand at the end of my driveway screaming
"It's an airplane! " at the top of her lungs over and over again. Today
I had an endless parade of men in trade trucks who should be working stop by
to offer opinions etc. and a man who does not live in my neighbourhood going
around the block several times and staring. I felt like I was being "cased" for
a theft. Creepy. Finally I just gave up, too angry and frustrated to continue
in my role as "circus performer" for the world. I'll continue my project when
I can get hangar space. I know a lot of you are stuck in the same position,
how do you cope! I'm pretty sure screaming "F*** OFF" won't help.
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
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<DIV>Hi Dave,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I had my share of nosy neighbors. Mostly they're curious and don't really
know where to start or what to ask. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Conversations usually ran like this:</DIV>
<DIV>"Have you flown it yet?" This was usually at a point when the plane
had no engine, fabric or instruments. No.</DIV>
<DIV>I live right next to the subdivision park. The second most asked question
was "Will you fly it from the park here?" No, kids play in the park.
It wouldn't be safe.</DIV>
<DIV>"Where will you fly it from?" I'll take it to an airport.</DIV>
<DIV>"How will you get it to the airport?" On a truck.</DIV>
<DIV>And so on.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I had that conversation pretty much once a week for a couple of years.
My answer came when I started fabric covering. I found that if you spray
enough foul smelling hazardous chemicals, all your neighbors move away.
I also found that it helps for the first year or so if you tell people it's
a boat. Sooner or latter you'll get questions like "Hey man, why does
your boat have wings?" I'd tell them that it's an "air boat" like in
Florida. Mostly they'd just nod and wander away like they understand it
all. Another tip for keeping the curious away. Install a cargo pod
and when they ask what it is, tell them you can't really say and then ask if
they know of a source for enriched plutonium.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A new family moved in right next door about the time I was spraying the base
color coats. I came out of the garage in my Tyvek suit, spray mask and
goggles holding my paint gun and I hear a voice say "Luke, I am your father."
It was my new neighbor. He looked at me an laughed so hard he sat
down in his driveway. "Dude, what are you doing?" I explained it
and we became best friends. He's gone to Oshkosh with me several times
and now is interested in building his own plane. So, don't be too harsh.
You might be scaring off a future convert.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ken Davy<BR>N1701S</DIV>
<DIV>Classic IV / 912</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<P>I live in a middle class subdivision. House on house and no privacy to speak
of. I absolutely have to take the plane out into the driveway to work on it with
the wings on. Yesterday I had a little girl stand at the end of my driveway
screaming "It's an airplane! " at the top of her lungs over and over again.
Today I had an endless parade of men in trade trucks who should be working stop
by to offer opinions etc. and a man who does not live in my neighbourhood going
around the block several times and staring. I felt like I was being "cased"
for a theft. Creepy. Finally I just gave up, too angry and frustrated to continue
in my role as "circus performer" for the world. I'll continue my project
when I can get hangar space. I know a lot of you are stuck in the same
position, how do you cope! I'm pretty sure screaming "F*** OFF" won't help. </P>
<P>Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582</P></FONT></DIV>
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| Subject: | older egt sending Y or K wire? |
Hi Mal
I have a couple of questions.
You say the plugs are dark. Have they gone all the way to black or are
they
a dark brown?
Are all four plugs the same colour? Do the EGT gauges read the same at
WOT,
at cruise? how long does your engine idle before shut down after a
flight?
Ok so that's a fist full of questions... Never said I could count.
If you have to idle your engine for a half an hour taxiing before shut
down
which will do a good job of carbonizing up your plugs.
Assuming that isn't the case, and the plugs are a brown colour you can
try
increasing the EGT to 1200. Remember these gauges are not calibrated as
TIT, TOT or ITT gauges for turbine engines are. The location of your
probes
a couple of millimetres (threads) one way or the other and your readings
go
out the window. When you find the indicated temp that gives you a nice
tan
colour write that temp in your journey log, if you keep one, for future
reference and in case you ever sell the plane.
If the plugs are black, sooty and ready to foul at the end of each
flight
you may need to change out the main jet and let your gauges read 1300 or
even higher.
You can also check your air filter to make sure it isn't plugged with
dirt
or bugs. That can cause a rich condition.
As for the EGTs themselves if your plugs are all pretty much the same
colour
and the gauges are reading the same from cyl 1 to cyl 2 I wouldn't mess
with
it. Accept the fact on your particular set up the proper EGT will be
above
1150.
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Malcolmbru@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:28 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: older egt sending Y or K wire?
I think I may have a older set of egt sender wires with a new gage? my
plugs
look very dark with a lot of carbine building up in the manifold but I
often hold egt's above 1200 and cruse at 5300 rpm with 1150egt my egt
gage
requires the newer wire. how can I tell which wire I have?
malcolm michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Lynn's a Star! - Was Broken Kitfoxes |
Marco Menezes just suggested that I tell you folks about my air-to-
air photo shoot during Airventure '07. But first I gotta preface it
with why was I doing an in-flight photo shoot.
The editor of EAA's Sport Pilot magazine suggested that I do a story
(OK, OK, I suggested that I do a story, and she went along with the
idea) about an old fart that buys an airplane kit, builds it, learns
to fly it, and gets his Sport Pilot license in it. So with that in
mind she scheduled me for a photo shoot on Monday afternoon during
Airventure. I left my camping spot about 1:30, before they shut down
the field for the afternoon show, and headed for Wautoma (Y50), about
30 miles west of Oshkosh. Landing there, I had about 3 hours to kill
before the air-to-air shoot, so I wandered about, looking at other
planes. I met a guy who owned a hangar at the field, and he took me
over to see it. He told me he always opens his hangar to visitors
from as far away as New Mexico, and Colorado, and leaves his own
Cessna sit outdoors for the week, so visitors can sleep inside his
hangar and party. He has a full bar, neon-enhanced fake tropical
trees, Dale Earnhardt Jr. posters, a huge mixer for Margaritas, a
'fridge with food, and about all you'd want to party with. I told him
maybe my photo shoot would take me into evening hours (I'd hoped) so
I would not be able to return to 'kosh, and I'd have to spend the
night. It didn't turn out that way, but I vowed to go there next year
for the night at some point.
The ground photos were shot first by Bonnie Kratz of EAA's photo
staff. She was very nice and had me position my plane in various
"poses" to catch the sun and to avoid any distracting background
stuff. That done, she went on to other planes for ground shots.
Later, I watched her getting into a harness that would safely attach
her to the photo plane, and couldn't help but comment on how it
looked like a jock strap with some parts missing. She took that
comment in good humor, thankfully. About 5:30 we took to the air. I
had been briefed that when the photo plane came alongside that I must
watch it intently, and not look away for things like, oh, traffic and
other distractions....and always smile towards the photo plane, now
called the lead plane. My smile was more of a grimmace, I think,
because after all the training of scanning for traffic, to NOT scan
is quite hard to do...unless you're fiddling with a chart, setting
the GPS, etc. Anyway, we got to the shoot area, near Lake Poygan, and
had to navigate towards a sunny area. They got the shots they wanted
of the rear of my plane...did I mention that there was a videographer
shooting as well? Well, the pilot would call out what they wanted me
to do: "Ok, now move out 10 feet and down 5 feet" "Good, now move
back about 20 feet and up 10 feet" This went on for a few minutes,
then we did a large flat circle to the left, and this was
particularly hairy, because he was on my right and constantly
crowding me to my left, but it all worked out. This maneuver was to
catch the sun's light at various angles. Finally he told me that they
were done shooting...about 20 minutes later it seemed...and that I
was to do a steep left bank away from the lead plane and leave the
photo area, which I did.
I had been told that I couldn't return to 'kosh until the Airshow
was over for the day, so I decided against just cruising around in
the crowded sky, and decided to land at Fond Du Lac, which I did. In
response to the controller's question about my intentions, I told him
I just wanted to sit out the end of the airshow and then return to
Oshkosh. He told me the show was over 45 minutes earlier, so I fired
up for departure. Nearing OSH, I was staying way out near Lake
Winnebago and calling the tower to inform them of my presence. I
didn't want to get into the traffic coming in from the south, so I
used the key phrase that I had been given earlier: "....returning
from a photo shoot from the South" That very phrase seemed to be the
magic word, because after saying it for the third time, the tower
asked my location and gave me directions. I slid into the downwind
for 18, got the call to turn base before I ever would have, and then
I got a different voice on the radio saying "Red high-winger with
white tail, turn final." I ignored this command, thinking I wasn't
red, and my tail was only *sorta* white, but when he said it again
with more authority and with the word "NOW!", he got my attention. I
quickly looked for other traffic, and made the 45 degree turn towards
the runway. He said to land just beyond the red dot, which I did, and
all ended well. As I taxied back to the Homebuilders Camping, I was
greeted by Bruce Lina and other Kitfox fliers, bowing gracefully and
giving cat-calls, and otherwise acknowledging my great flying
skills....that was what that was all about wasn't it, Bruce?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/369+ hrs
On Aug 23, 2007, at 6:36 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> Marco-
> You mean getting "busted" for having my Tiki lamps burning? (Geez,
> what's wrong with having open flames in a dry(?) campsite with a
> few hundred gasoline-carrying airplanes sitting nearby?)
>
> Lynn Matteson
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| Subject: | Re: 582 engine adjustments |
http://www.powerchutes.com/asa.asp
For the inflight mixture adjustment. I have noticed that when decending if you
pull the power back to say 4000 RPM or even 3000 and point the nose down hill
and let the prop drive the engine the EGT's will spike up to well over 1200.
This can be corrected by turning the mixture knobs out one turn and riching it
or I add some pitch to the IFA IVO prop and load the engine just a tad and the
EGT's drop right down. The other option is to come off the power and slow
the plane up a bit nose high and she will drop like a rock and EGTs stay under
control. The way the inflight mixture works is one turn of the knob is equal
to dropping or rasing the neelde one clip. It is a pretty slick system and works
very well once you figure it out.
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: older egt sending Y or K wire? |
At 07:58 PM 8/22/2007, you wrote:
>how can I tell which wire I have?
Sorry Mal, couldn't find anything on "Y" wire. J is red / white
twisted pair. K is red / yellow twisted and is what I use. The only
other problem you might have is that it's tricky to extend
thermocouple wire. The easiest way is to use thermocouple wire
throughout and silver solder or use thermocouple connectors.
Otherwise you may get errors.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Lynn's a Star! - Was Broken Kitfoxes |
Fantastic story. Can't wait for that issue of Sport Pilot to arrive.
> Marco Menezes just suggested that I tell you folks about my air-to-
> air photo shoot during Airventure '07.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | New Rotax 912-S Running Rough... |
I have a new Rotax 912-ULS that has been giving me some problems. This is strange,
so I will give you guys the complete history.
I got the engine new and it ran perfect for the first 10 hours. After 10 hours
it started to run very rought at idle, but would be fine once I flew, idle missing
dissapeared. About 5 hours later, the missing at idle got worse and lasted
longer so I replaced the plugs and the engine was perfect again :) (
Note - The old plugs were WHITE, no aluminum or metal, but white colored almost
looked new , my egt's were running 1475 degrees thoughout the power range )
My fuel usage was also a very low 3.5 gallons per hour at 4500 RPM cruise.
With 10 hours on the new plugs, my rough running at idle started to show up again.
Once I took off, it was fine until the next day. Over the next 10 hours
or so the problem at idle got worse, it started to run rough again even when warm.
I kept flying, and finally the missing started to be just barely detectable
in flight, and much worse on the ground, so I decided it was time to do something.
All the plugs were again WHITE, so I raised the needles one notch from
factory setting to make it richer. I flew it once, EGT's went down 50 degrees,
but soon it started to miss, and not want to run at all. I checked the
plugs and they were VELVET BLACK, as black as black can be :( How can raising
the needle one notch make the the mixture so rich that it will not run ???
General notes, the carbs are balanced perfectly. Fuel filter is good, when I pulled
the bowls, they were clean enough to drink out of. The engine is only
a year old with not quite 50 hours on it now. EGT's have always been in the 1400's,
and matched on both sides. CHT's have also always been right in limits,
never a problem with any temps.. I see evidence of fuel comming out ONE carb
vent, 4 inch long vent terminated at carb body, but lockwood tells me this happens
and is normal. It is not excessive, but I see the fuel residue and discoloration
there where the fuel has been hitting the spark plug / cylender. The
engine is propped for 5300 RPM climb and 5400 RPM wide open cruise. Any ideas
what could be causing these problems ??
Thanks,
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? |
Nice you met somebody with a sense of humour, they're rare. A lot of
people wouldn't have understood even a simple joke like that. Anyway
I've found a way to mount one wing at a time inside the garage, had to
rig up a sling to hold most of the weight. So, I am no longer in a rush
to get my work done before I have to take it all down again.
My neighbors are seldom a problem in any respect, they are largely
freindly and mindful of what little privacy this type of neighborhood
allows. It's the stream of people who drive through every day that are
the source of problems, thefts etc. I moved here for the family, close
to schools, hospitals and such. It's convenient, but not enjoyable.
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
do not archive
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From: davyken@comcast.net
To: Kitfox
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders, how do you cope?
Hi Dave,
I had my share of nosy neighbors. Mostly they're curious and don't
really know where to start or what to ask.
Conversations usually ran like this:
"Have you flown it yet?" This was usually at a point when the plane
had no engine, fabric or instruments. No.
I live right next to the subdivision park. The second most asked
question was "Will you fly it from the park here?" No, kids play in the
park. It wouldn't be safe.
"Where will you fly it from?" I'll take it to an airport.
"How will you get it to the airport?" On a truck.
And so on.
I had that conversation pretty much once a week for a couple of years.
My answer came when I started fabric covering. I found that if you
spray enough foul smelling hazardous chemicals, all your neighbors move
away. I also found that it helps for the first year or so if you tell
people it's a boat. Sooner or latter you'll get questions like "Hey
man, why does your boat have wings?" I'd tell them that it's an "air
boat" like in Florida. Mostly they'd just nod and wander away like they
understand it all. Another tip for keeping the curious away. Install a
cargo pod and when they ask what it is, tell them you can't really say
and then ask if they know of a source for enriched plutonium.
A new family moved in right next door about the time I was spraying
the base color coats. I came out of the garage in my Tyvek suit, spray
mask and goggles holding my paint gun and I hear a voice say "Luke, I am
your father." It was my new neighbor. He looked at me an laughed so
hard he sat down in his driveway. "Dude, what are you doing?" I
explained it and we became best friends. He's gone to Oshkosh with me
several times and now is interested in building his own plane. So,
don't be too harsh. You might be scaring off a future convert.
Ken Davy
N1701S
Classic IV / 912
I live in a middle class subdivision. House on house and no privacy to
speak of. I absolutely have to take the plane out into the driveway to
work on it with the wings on. Yesterday I had a little girl stand at the
end of my driveway screaming "It's an airplane! " at the top of her
lungs over and over again. Today I had an endless parade of men in trade
trucks who should be working stop by to offer opinions etc. and a man
who does not live in my neighbourhood going around the block several
times and staring. I felt like I was being "cased" for a theft. Creepy.
Finally I just gave up, too angry and frustrated to continue in my role
as "circus performer" for the world. I'll continue my project when I
can get hangar space. I know a lot of you are stuck in the same
position, how do you cope! I'm pretty sure screaming "F*** OFF" won't
help.
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilders, how do you cope? |
I live in the Chicago suburbs, I'm building my second plane in my garage.
All I can say is get used to the attention, it is part of the package. I just
smile and act cheerfull, and go about my business - It's the only thing you
can do in my opinion.
Building a plane in the garage is not the normal thing people do, so no
matter what you do it's gonna get attention.
I have a nearby neighbor has a Pro Stock drag car, I dare say he draws
a lot more attention than I do when he has it out in the driveway.
Jeff Hays
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I run the IVO Medium with my 912S. Very happy with it so far. May be a
bit too much for a 912 80HP though. Seems fine on floats too...three
years and I have not had to replace the ss tape yet.
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | Re: S5 Sticky fuel valve |
> C'mon guys, what are you using out there?
Three pictures worth 3000 words. The aluminum angle is 1/2 x 1/2 x 1//16 and is
the same length as the hardware store ball valve. It is attached to the original
skystar valve mount with two #4 screws and lock nuts. The selector handle
is shortened to fit in the protector bracket.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: New Rotax 912-S Running Rough... |
Mike, I went through a lengthy adjustment period with my 912ul this spring. It
has 760 hrs but suddenly started acting funny at idle.
I detailed the steps taken for Lowell Fitt but failed to save a copy of them.
Perhaps he has that saved and can forward it to you. Or given some time I can
recreate it.
Flew this morning, dead calm, cool almost autumn air. The engine is running better
than ever. The key to understanding the bing carburetor is remembering that
there are 3 (4) fuel circuits that interrelate and overlap at different rpms.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
> I have a new Rotax 912-ULS that has been giving me some problems. This is
> strange, so I will give you guys the complete history.
>
> I got the engine new and it ran perfect for the first 10 hours. After 10 hours
> it started to run very rought at idle, but would be fine once I flew, idle
> missing dissapeared. About 5 hours later, the missing at idle got worse and
> lasted longer so I replaced the plugs and the engine was perfect again :) (
> Note - The old plugs were WHITE, no aluminum or metal, but white colored almost
> looked new , my egt's were running 1475 degrees thoughout the power range ) My
> fuel usage was also a very low 3.5 gallons per hour at 4500 RPM cruise.
>
> With 10 hours on the new plugs, my rough running at idle started to show up
> again. Once I took off, it was fine until the next day. Over the next 10 hours
> or so the problem at idle got worse, it started to run rough again even when
> warm. I kept flying, and finally the missing started to be just barely
> detectable in flight, and much worse on the ground, so I decided it was time
to
> do something. All the plugs were again WHITE, so I raised the needles one
> notch from factory setting to make it richer. I flew it once, EGT's went down
> 50 degrees, but soon it started to miss, and not want to run at all. I checked
> the plugs and they were VELVET BLACK, as black as black can be :( How can
> raising the needle one notch make the the mixture so rich that it will not run
> ???
>
> General notes, the carbs are balanced perfectly. Fuel filter is good, when I
> pulled the bowls, they were clean enough to drink out of. The engine is only
a
> year old with not quite 50 hours on it now. EGT's have always been in the
> 1400's, and matched on both sides. CHT's have also always been right in limits,
> never a problem with any temps.. I see evidence of fuel comming out ONE carb
> vent, 4 inch long vent terminated at carb body, but lockwood tells me this
> happens and is normal. It is not excessive, but I see the fuel residue and
> discoloration there where the fuel has been hitting the spark plug / cylender.
> The engine is propped for 5300 RPM climb and 5400 RPM wide open cruise. Any
> ideas what could be causing these problems ??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
> have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130525#130525
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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<DIV>Mike, I went through a lengthy adjustment period with my 912ul this spring.
It has 760 hrs but suddenly started acting funny at idle.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I detailed the steps taken for Lowell Fitt but failed to save a copy of them.
Perhaps he has that saved and can forward it to you. Or given
some time I can recreate it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Flew this morning, dead calm, cool almost autumn air. The engine is
running better than ever. The key to understanding the bing carburetor is
remembering that there are 3 (4) fuel circuits that interrelate and overlap
at different rpms.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Kerr</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
<BR><BR>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
"JetPilot" <ORCABONITA@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>> <BR>> I have a new Rotax 912-ULS
that has been giving me some problems. This is <BR>> strange, so I will
give you guys the complete history. <BR>> <BR>> I got the engine new and
it ran perfect for the first 10 hours. After 10 hours <BR>> it started to
run very rought at idle, but would be fine once I flew, idle <BR>> missing
dissapeared. About 5 hours later, the missing at idle got worse and <BR>>
lasted longer so I replaced the plugs and the engine was perfect again :) ( <BR>>
Note - The old plugs were WHITE, no aluminum or metal, but white colored
almost <BR>> looked new , my egt's were running 1475 degrees thoughout the
power range ) My <BR>> fuel usage was also a ve
ry low
3.5 gallons per hour at 4500 RPM cruise. <BR>> <BR>> With 10 hours on the
new plugs, my rough running at idle started to show up <BR>> again. Once
I took off, it was fine until the next day. Over the next 10 hours <BR>> or
so the problem at idle got worse, it started to run rough again even when <BR>>
warm. I kept flying, and finally the missing started to be just barely <BR>>
detectable in flight, and much worse on the ground, so I decided it was
time to <BR>> do something. All the plugs were again WHITE, so I raised the
needles one <BR>> notch from factory setting to make it richer. I flew it
once, EGT's went down <BR>> 50 degrees, but soon it started to miss, and
not want to run at all. I checked <BR>> the plugs and they were VELVET BLACK,
as black as black can be :( How can <BR>> raising the needle one notch make
the the mixture so rich that it will not run <BR>> ??? <BR>> <BR>>
General notes, the carbs are balanced perfectly. Fu
el fil
ter is good, when I <BR>> pulled the bowls, they were clean enough to drink
out of. The engine is only a <BR>> year old with not quite 50 hours on it now.
EGT's have always been in the <BR>> 1400's, and matched on both sides.
CHT's have also always been right in limits, <BR>> never a problem with any
temps.. I see evidence of fuel comming out ONE carb <BR>> vent, 4 inch long
vent terminated at carb body, but lockwood tells me this <BR>> happens and
is normal. It is not excessive, but I see the fuel residue and <BR>> discoloration
there where the fuel has been hitting the spark plug / cylender. <BR>>
The engine is propped for 5300 RPM climb and 5400 RPM wide open cruise.
Any <BR>> ideas what could be causing these problems ?? <BR>> <BR>> Thanks,
<BR>> <BR>> Mike <BR>> <BR>> -------- <BR>> "NO FEAR" -
If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could <BR>> have !!! <BR>>
<BR>> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S <BR>> <BR>&g
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talking of ss tape, that stuff is junk. I use to have a powerfin on mine, so I
went over to the powerfin folks and got their tape. I've got over 150hrs now
on the tape and it is great.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
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| Subject: | Re: New Rotax 912-S Running Rough... |
Yup, three different circuits that overlap each other. I would put the needles
back where they where and then get some carb cleaner and remove the bowls, then
remove each circuit, idle, midrange, and the main. One at a time, and force
the carb cleaner into each, with air blown afterwards. You might be surprised
at what happens afterwards. I make it a habit to do this at an oil change or
50 hrs. Mine runs better than ever.
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model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
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| Subject: | S5 Sticky fuel valve |
I have the S5 with center console, but I think, with a little tailoring,
that can work. Thanks Tom!
Deke
>
> > C'mon guys, what are you using out there?
>
>
> Three pictures worth 3000 words. The aluminum angle is 1/2 x 1/2 x 1//16
and is the same length as the hardware store ball valve. It is attached to
the original skystar valve mount with two #4 screws and lock nuts. The
selector handle is shortened to fit in the protector bracket.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV, Phase one
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Lynn's a Star! - Was Broken Kitfoxes |
She told me that if I got the story written by Oct 1, that it would/
could be printed in an early 2008 issue.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/369+ hrs
On Aug 23, 2007, at 11:22 AM, wingnut wrote:
>
> Fantastic story. Can't wait for that issue of Sport Pilot to arrive.
>
>
>> Marco Menezes just suggested that I tell you folks about my air-to-
>> air photo shoot during Airventure '07.
>
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
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| Subject: | New Rotax 912-S Running Rough... |
I had a problem with rough running at Idle. Went thought all of the steps
you have. But, Whit I finally found was that the fuel pressure from the
Fuel pump was too high. The fuel pressure was overcoming the float
needles and flooding the carbs. Above ~ 2500 rpm the problem went away.
(I used a Vacuum/fuel pressure gauge to check it). I put a fuel pressure
regulator between the pump and the carbs and haven't had a problem since
(25 hours).
Todd Leiss
Model IV Speedster
912ul
> [Original Message]
> From: JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/23/2007 12:54:05 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: New Rotax 912-S Running Rough...
>
>
> I have a new Rotax 912-ULS that has been giving me some problems. This
is strange, so I will give you guys the complete history.
>
> I got the engine new and it ran perfect for the first 10 hours. After 10
hours it started to run very rought at idle, but would be fine once I flew,
idle missing dissapeared. About 5 hours later, the missing at idle got
worse and lasted longer so I replaced the plugs and the engine was perfect
again :) ( Note - The old plugs were WHITE, no aluminum or metal, but
white colored almost looked new , my egt's were running 1475 degrees
thoughout the power range ) My fuel usage was also a very low 3.5 gallons
per hour at 4500 RPM cruise.
>
> With 10 hours on the new plugs, my rough running at idle started to show
up again. Once I took off, it was fine until the next day. Over the next
10 hours or so the problem at idle got worse, it started to run rough again
even when warm. I kept flying, and finally the missing started to be just
barely detectable in flight, and much worse on the ground, so I decided it
was time to do something. All the plugs were again WHITE, so I raised the
needles one notch from factory setting to make it richer. I flew it once,
EGT's went down 50 degrees, but soon it started to miss, and not want to
run at all. I checked the plugs and they were VELVET BLACK, as black as
black can be :( How can raising the needle one notch make the the mixture
so rich that it will not run ???
>
> General notes, the carbs are balanced perfectly. Fuel filter is good,
when I pulled the bowls, they were clean enough to drink out of. The
engine is only a year old with not quite 50 hours on it now. EGT's have
always been in the 1400's, and matched on both sides. CHT's have also
always been right in limits, never a problem with any temps.. I see
evidence of fuel comming out ONE carb vent, 4 inch long vent terminated at
carb body, but lockwood tells me this happens and is normal. It is not
excessive, but I see the fuel residue and discoloration there where the
fuel has been hitting the spark plug / cylender. The engine is propped for
5300 RPM climb and 5400 RPM wide open cruise. Any ideas what could be
causing these problems ??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130525#130525
>
>
> --
6:51 PM
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| Subject: | Re: older egt sending J or K wire? |
J wire must be what I mean. I asked the same Question of Phil Lockwood at
Oshkosh and he had no idea .I wonder how using the wrong sender would effect
the reading ? when I bought the plane I found out the builder traded the new
in the kit 532 for a mostly run out 532 and muffler that came out of his
friends module 2 .finished in 1991 the muffler and sending unit is very old
and I put it on a new 582.
Malcolm Brubaker
Midland Michigan
KF mod 11 582 E box 3 blade wood prop 100% completed buy the guy I bought
it from
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| Subject: | A totally thrilling flight |
No it was not the first flight in my Kitfox... But it was the first time
my
trusty and true 582 did anything but what it was supposed to do.
I finally got the plane up to the pond today. There were large sections
of
the pond that were glassy smooth with other sections that had the
slightest
of ripples on it. Mosquitoes could hardly bother me as I spread my
wings
and did my first pre-flight in almost a year.... It's been a poor summer
for
flying, what can I say? The flight controls were checked and perfect,
The
engine controls were operating flawlessly. I had the rear ropes removed
from the plane and all that was left was to launch it into the cool
clear
water of Shipbuilders pond.
The kids swimming & some people enjoying the summer scenery kept asking
when
I was going to be ready to fly. I replied a number of times in a few
minutes. Finally the tail pipe of the Imprezza was gurgling happily in
the
water and the plane was afloat.
Last week I got that far and no soap... The battery was dead. Today I
had a
brand new battery and if that failed there was always the cables in the
back
of the car. Come hell or high water I was going to fly!
The tanks were filled to ten gallons, enough for a good hour plus. The
second check of everything was A-OK. Inflatable life vest on I finally
climbed aboard. The frog in my throat bit my tonsils as I shouted
"Clear"
the trusty 582 jumped to life and then just as quickly died. A couple
of
primes and it roared to life again.
For a minute or two I was playing with the primer to keep the engine
running..... Darn the enrichener is on full... A flick of the control
and
everything smoothed out to what I expected. I started the stopwatch.
At two minutes I increase the throttle to 3000 rpm. The door is still
open
and the butterflies playing baseball in my stomach are getting bigger.
Is
there something I've forgotten??? Five minutes and it's up to 4000 rpm
for
the mag test. The mag test was textbook with only 100 rpm drop per
side.
Back to 2000 rpm until the temp gauge hung happily at just over 140.
Six
minutes (warm up) the magic time I was given and I'm busy with my final
check... seat belts, I knew I'd forgotten something. Close and lock the
door, now I'm ready to go!
What to heck, Full pitch on the Ivo, full throttle then click the Ivo
for
6400rpm... Holy jumpins I just lifted off. Never mind the crow hops,
I'm
going flying.
The Tiny Tach levelled around 6500 and change, the ASI was solid at 60
and I
was heaven bound!
Darn I still can't get over the feeling I've missed something. I
decided
not to go over any terra firma until I had some serious air under my
butt.
2000' came after the first turn of the pond. With every turn I found I
was
looking less and less at the T&B and paying more attention to my butt.
I
guess that is why they call it seat of the pants flying. At 2000' I
decided
to have a little jaunt over the bay ( Notre Dame Bay, Newfoundland) so I
headed over the hill to fly over my house and see if my friends next
door
had made it home from a holiday in Idaho. There was no life to be seen
around their place so the next thing to do was to over fly the countless
islands which fill the bay.
Half way across the bay ... ( 5 mi or so off shore) on a perfect evening
with hardly a ripple to land on, the trusty 582 started to cough. Never
mind cough make that full blown bronchitis maybe pneumonia.
You know how they say when the fan stops turning the pilot starts to
sweat.
The truth is the pilot will be sweating buckets long before that! you
don't
need to ask any questions on that one!
Hard A-Port and climb like there is no tomorrow (altitude is fuel) Back
through the hills and valleys to the pond. The affliction is getting
worse!
As I reduce throttle #1 EGT nosedives. Will I make it. Never mind,
stay
tuned to next week Bat man.
I found through experimentation at full throttle the engine worked like
parson on payday. As the throttle was pulled back the coughing, missing
and
fa##ting got worse. And the EGT on cylinder 1 still cooled to the pin
almost immediately.
I'm back over land now downwind for my splashdown... My air speed is
60...
Flaps.. I pull full flaps as I roll on to a short base. My ASI has just
passed 70..... I got to get the nose up ASI 65, 60, 55...Feet wet, 5,
4, 3
feet.... Did I just touch??? She's down! Perfect! ...Textbook.
Oh darn I'm at the wrong end of the pond...Step taxi... Too slow I don't
know when the engine will quit quit. The more throttle the smoother it
runs... She's up again... Ten, twenty, now thirty seconds and I let her
settle in again. Strange how smooth the engine is at full throttle.
The
engine still isn't sounding any better at low rpm... I"ll go for another
half mile hop. Up, along and down this is getting easy. I'm a couple
of
hundred yards off shore so I'll let her idle, as rough as she is at the
idle, into shore so the engine will have time to cool down. The #1 EGT
is
still on the pin. it only comes to life as the throttle is opened.
Fifty feet off shore, 2000rpm rough as a porcupines back, temp at 140, I
shut off the mags.... Shaving Cream!... I killed the mags too soon. I
try
to restart, no joy. I try again still no joy but the air is so still
the
starting motor has given me the boost I needed to get to shore without
having to get out the paddles.
This is the frightening part.....
When I got out on the float, gasoline is flowing full bore down the hot
exhaust pipe. The hissing is deafening. Do I get out of Dodge and go
for a
plunge in the clear water or do I hang on hoping that a stray spark
doesn't
blow me and the plane to kingdom come. Not being the brightest, like
John
Smith ( skipper on the Titanic) I decide to stay with my ship. I reach
back
into the cockpit and turn off the master and the gas ( in the reverse
order)
and in a minute or so the exhaust is cool enough to grab with my bare
hand
and there isn't a stain of gas to be seen any where.
Five minutes later my heart has stopped racing and I can get back to the
job
of recovering the plane to my trailer and towing it home. Tomorrow I'll
have the gas problem fixed and I'll be off again. This is one flight I
won't forget!
Gee I like my Kitfox.... and the extra training I got at flight school!
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
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| Subject: | RE: Sticky Fuel Valve |
I emailed Andair about their valves and they said that the part is a FS20x1
- 90. Which is off when the pointer is 90 degrees to the fittings. I then
asked for a drawing or schematic that would verify that the valve pointer is
indeed pointing (inline) with the fittings. I have not had a reply as of
yet, (I emailed today). I would not want to shell out $229 for a valve from
GB and have it be the wrong one. Their website is http://www.andair.co.uk.
Andy
S-5
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| Subject: | Re: older egt sending J or K wire? |
At 07:15 PM 8/23/2007, you wrote:
>I wonder how using the wrong sender would effect the reading ?
I pulled this data from Bob Nuckoll's book:
"Type K alloys are suitable for any kind of measurement on an
airplane including exhaust gas temperatures. Type J has a recommended
upper limit that suggests it not be used in exhaust stacks but it is
fine everywhere else. As you can see from voltages in Table 14-2,
Type J wire has a little more output for a given temperature than
does Type K but for most purposes, either is satisfactory."
Table 14-2 excerpts:
Temp F, J voltage (mV), K voltage (mV) (Referenced to an ice bath.)
-40, -1.96, -1.50
32, 0, 0
212, 5.27, 4.10
392, 10.78, 8.13
572, 16.33, 12.21
That's as high as the table goes, so I can't get you any
info at EGT temps. Maybe you can curve fit this data and get
something meaningful at 1200F. Hope this helps.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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I worked the first 4 years on my project in a garage that you could not park
our minivan in, built in the 40's it was very tiny, 6 1/2 ft ceiling, just
long enough I that I could get the cowling on (no spinner or rudder). I had
a storage unit that I would store the parts that I was not working on at the
time, it was close and I could get things back and forth without much
problem. I could not afford a hangar, and I still can't afford a hangar,
which is why I bought a folding wing Kitfox. Otherwise I would be building
a Murphy Moose. I had to get very creative. My garage opened up into the
alley, but it was on a very steep sloping driveway so, I could do very
little outside of my garage. Plus, once it snowed, the garage door froze
shut and was blocked for 3-4 months with snow. Once I drilled and rigged
the wings they came off and went into storage. They are still in storage
:-((
As for the looky-loos, I had plenty. Everyone in a 10 block area new I was
building an airplane. Usually it was the 12-14 yr olds who stopped by and
wanted to know what all the tools were. Cleco's were the most fascinating
to them for some reason. Every new kid got a cleco, after that they never
asked for anything again.
Andy
S-5
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