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1. 01:01 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 52 Msgs - 08/30/07 (cy)
2. 03:07 AM - Re: pitot dimensions and alternate location (Lynn Matteson)
3. 03:19 AM - Re: Re: South East Kitfox Owners (Lynn Matteson)
4. 04:18 AM - Re: pitot dimensions and alternate location (Dave G.)
5. 04:32 AM - EAST COAST FLY-IN (RAY Gignac)
6. 05:37 AM - Re: Lowell Fitt Accident (Lynn Matteson)
7. 05:59 AM - Nose Wheel (steve@newcap.net)
8. 06:20 AM - Re: South East Kitfox Owners (wingnut)
9. 06:28 AM - Re: EAST COAST FLY-IN (john oakley)
10. 07:08 AM - Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Giovanni Day)
11. 07:16 AM - Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (akflyer)
12. 07:27 AM - Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
13. 07:35 AM - Re: Re : South East Kitfox Owners (Napier, Mark)
14. 08:25 AM - Re: Aircraft Instruments (kent westberg)
15. 08:39 AM - Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (kitfoxmike)
16. 08:43 AM - REPLY STEERABLE NOSE WHEEL: Nose Wheel (barryhuston)
17. 08:57 AM - Re: Crash Followup (Michael Gibbs)
18. 09:21 AM - voltage regulator (kitfoxmike)
19. 09:26 AM - Re: Crash Followup (kitfoxmike)
20. 09:54 AM - Re: Re: South East Kitfox Owners (Lynn Matteson)
21. 09:55 AM - Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Giovanni Day)
22. 10:30 AM - East Coast Fly-In (RAY Gignac)
23. 10:57 AM - Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (kitfoxmike)
24. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (RAY Gignac)
25. 11:26 AM - Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (kitfoxmike)
26. 11:38 AM - Re: voltage regulator (Guy Buchanan)
27. 11:46 AM - Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Giovanni Day)
28. 11:55 AM - Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (kitfoxmike)
29. 11:59 AM - Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Giovanni Day)
30. 12:05 PM - Re: South East Kitfox Owners (wingnut)
31. 12:16 PM - landing short (Marco Menezes)
32. 12:23 PM - Re: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
33. 12:38 PM - Re: landing short (John W. Hart)
34. 12:45 PM - Re: landing short (kitfoxmike)
35. 12:55 PM - Re: landing short (wingnut)
36. 01:07 PM - Re: landing short (kitfoxmike)
37. 01:14 PM - Re: landing short (eskflyer)
38. 01:16 PM - Re: landing short (wingnut)
39. 01:21 PM - Re: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Barry West)
40. 01:24 PM - Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Giovanni Day)
41. 01:30 PM - Re: landing short (akflyer)
42. 02:11 PM - Re: landing short (Michel Verheughe)
43. 02:11 PM - Re: landing short (kitfoxmike)
44. 02:34 PM - Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (kitfoxmike)
45. 02:49 PM - Re: landing short (wingnut)
46. 03:09 PM - Re: Crash Followup (Torgeir Mortensen)
47. 03:19 PM - Re: landing short (kitfoxmike)
48. 04:25 PM - Re: South East Kitfox Owners (wingnut)
49. 04:36 PM - Flyin Tomorrow Pelee Island (dave)
50. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Crash Followup (Scott)
51. 04:51 PM - Re: Nose Wheel (akflyer)
52. 04:56 PM - Landing Short Videos (dave)
53. 05:21 PM - Re: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Noel Loveys)
54. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Noel Loveys)
55. 05:57 PM - Re: Landing Short Videos (akflyer)
56. 05:59 PM - Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Giovanni Day)
57. 06:17 PM - Re: Landing Short Videos (Steven Didier)
58. 06:22 PM - Re: landing short - Lift Reserve (Randy Daughenbaugh)
59. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (paul wilson)
60. 06:52 PM - Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Giovanni Day)
61. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Noel Loveys)
62. 07:20 PM - Re: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (paul wilson)
63. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Noel Loveys)
64. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Noel Loveys)
65. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (paul wilson)
66. 07:25 PM - Re: landing short - Lift Reserve (Roger McConnell)
67. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
68. 07:45 PM - Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Giovanni Day)
69. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Crash Followup (Noel Loveys)
70. 07:55 PM - Re: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
71. 08:12 PM - Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Giovanni Day)
72. 10:25 PM - Re: landing short (Guy Buchanan)
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My best wishes to Kay & Lowell for a fast recovery from their injuries.
Cy
Australia
Do not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:58 PM
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> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 02:08 AM - Re: Re: 582 engine adjustments (Steve Shinabery)
> 2. 02:15 AM - Re: Re: South East Kitfox Owners (Steve Shinabery)
> 3. 03:11 AM - Re: pitot dimensions and alternate location (Dave G.)
> 4. 04:38 AM - East Coast Kitfox Fly-In! (RAY Gignac)
> 5. 04:39 AM - EAST COAST KITTY HAWK AND MORE FLY IN.... (Kem
> Dunnebacke)
> 6. 04:51 AM - Re: flyin (Lowell Fitt)
> 7. 04:53 AM - Re: Re: South East Kitfox Owners (tc9008@aol.com)
> 8. 06:32 AM - Re: flyin (john oakley)
> 9. 06:41 AM - Re: flyin (kitfoxmike)
> 10. 07:04 AM - Re: South East Kitfox Owners (wingnut)
> 11. 07:31 AM - Re: Re: 582 engine adjustments (Marco Menezes)
> 12. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: South East Kitfox Owners (Jimmy Cantrell)
> 13. 08:28 AM - Re: Re: flyin (jdmcbean)
> 14. 08:36 AM - Re: South East Kitfox Owners (wingnut)
> 15. 09:05 AM - Lowell Fitt Accident (royall merill)
> 16. 09:36 AM - Re: flyin (kitfoxmike)
> 17. 09:37 AM - Crash Followup (royall merill)
> 18. 09:51 AM - Re: pitot dimensions and alternate location
> (Zimmermans)
> 19. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: flyin (jdmcbean)
> 20. 09:56 AM - Re: Crash Followup (jdmcbean)
> 21. 09:56 AM - More News Info (royall merill)
> 22. 09:59 AM - Re: Lowell Fitt Accident (Guy Buchanan)
> 23. 10:08 AM - Re: Crash Followup (Michel Verheughe)
> 24. 10:13 AM - Re: Crash Followup (jdmcbean)
> 25. 10:26 AM - Re: Lowell Fitt Accident (Dave G.)
> 26. 10:45 AM - News Update #3 (royall merill)
> 27. 10:51 AM - Re: Crash Followup (Jose M. Toro)
> 28. 11:13 AM - Re: East Coast Kitfox Fly-In! (mscotter@comcast.net)
> 29. 11:22 AM - Found very heavy corrosion on struts. (Dave G.)
> 30. 11:53 AM - Re: Crash Followup (Michel Verheughe)
> 31. 12:09 PM - Re: pitot dimensions and alternate location (Dave G.)
> 32. 12:15 PM - 582 engine adjustments (fox5flyer)
> 33. 12:19 PM - Crash Followup (fox5flyer)
> 34. 12:38 PM - Re: Crash Followup (SUE MICHAELS)
> 35. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: 582 engine adjustments (Noel Loveys)
> 36. 12:48 PM - Re: Crash Followup (n85ae)
> 37. 12:50 PM - Re: Crash Followup (Noel Loveys)
> 38. 01:19 PM - Re: Crash Followup (kitfoxmike)
> 39. 01:19 PM - Found very heavy corrosion on struts / support from John
> and Debra / first flight (Jose M. Toro)
> 40. 01:25 PM - Re: Crash Followup (eskflyer)
> 41. 01:50 PM - Re: Puff The Magic Taildragger (jeff puls)
> 42. 02:06 PM - Re: Puff The Magic Taildragger (kitfoxmike)
> 43. 02:18 PM - Re: Lowell Fitt Accident (GONER752@aol.com)
> 44. 02:30 PM - Re: 582 engine adjustments (Marco Menezes)
> 45. 02:44 PM - Aircraft Instruments (Jimmie Blackwell)
> 46. 03:50 PM - Texas to Idaho... was Aircraft Instruments (jdmcbean)
> 47. 03:51 PM - Re: Aircraft Instruments (Noel Loveys)
> 48. 04:32 PM - Re: Crash Followup (fly2wb@dishmail.net)
> 49. 05:04 PM - Re: Texas to Idaho... was Aircraft Instruments (Jimmie
> Blackwell)
> 50. 05:13 PM - PCAS - Portable Collision Avoidance System (Jimmie
> Blackwell)
> 51. 07:56 PM - Re: Primer Fuel Lines / Model II (rudderdancer)
> 52. 08:21 PM - Re: Crash Followup (rudderdancer)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:08:11 AM PST US
> From: Steve Shinabery <shinco@bright.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 engine adjustments
>
>
> Thanks for helping me..I too will go to the 40 jets.may be it will run
> better at low RPM there.engine runs good at any thing above 2000RPM.I
> would like to get teh RPM down just a little bit more if I can.it would
> be nice.I thought that may be it could even be the propeller
> adj.needed.could this be? Thanks Steve Shinabery,N554KF KF2 582 gray
> head.
>
> Marco Menezes wrote:
>> Hi Steve.
>>
>> I think shaking is normal for the 582 at low idle rpms. Mine used to
>> do that too early on. Now I can't seem get the idle speed below 2500.
>> It runs smoothly there but it's a bit too fast for the centrifugal
>> clutch to disengage. I'm going to try going from 45 to 40 with the
>> idle jets before I go filing the carb slides.
>>
>> */Steve Shinabery <shinco@bright.net>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>> good day guys.My Kitfox 582 gray head ..runs ruff,and shakes real
>> bad.any RPM under 2000.do I too need to replace my jets to 40s.???any
>> thing above that it runs fine..I have a kitfox 2,with only 160hr
>> TT.built in 1992.N554KF.U think that I too to replace jets??thanks
>> Steve
>> Shinabery
>>
>> Bill Malpass wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH I PUT A NUMBER 40 IN MY 582 GREYHEAD, AND
>> IT MADE
>> > ALL KINDS OF IMPROVEMENT ON THE IDLE. AT ABOUT 1900, VERY
>> SMOOTH, AND
>> > BEFORE THAT IT WOULDNT GO MUCH LESS THAT 2400.
>> >
>> > I AM IN GEORGIA AND BY LEANING ON HOT DAYS, IT REALLY HELPS.
>> >
>> > BILL
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Dill"
>> > <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:31 PM
>> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 engine adjustments
>> >
>> >
>> >> <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
>> >>
>> >> Ok, I get it. Right now I have reached equilibrium again. I am
>> >> resolved that I need a leaner idle jet. My only consternation is
>> >> about which one to get, #45 or 50? I might sleep on it.
>> >>
>> >> I flew today. Connecticut has this thing about letting people pull
>> >> airplanes on trailers on a state airport. Until I fought it
>> with the
>> >> help of AOPA, they wouldn't let you do it unless you paid for a
>> tie
>> >> down. Now, they need proof of insurance and registration to
>> protect
>> >> themselves in case I hit something. If I only paid for a tie-down,
>> >> they wouldn't care if I was insured.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, I got through and had fun. Tried to see how short of a
>> >> takeoff I could accomplish. I lined up at the edge of a runway
>> stripe
>> >> and tried to get off before the beginning of the next stripe,
>> which I
>> >> did, but kind of sideways to the left, just on the brink of
>> flight,
>> >> my left tire was the last to leave the ground.
>> >>
>> >> Then I decided to test this thing about dimished aileron with full
>> >> flaps. My handle does not have a stop on it, so on downwind I
>> pulled
>> >> the handle all the way up. Diminished my butt!, The stick came to
>> >> attention and would not move left or right! I knew that
>> wouldn't do,
>> >> so I decided to select a compromise postion that combined the most
>> >> flap with the minimum aileron I thought I might need. The winds
>> were
>> >> light. So, I came down final fine, did my roundout and set up
>> for the
>> >> touchdown. I must have done one of those drop-in touchdowns that
>> >> lowers your tail and sends you right back up again, it all
>> happened
>> >> fast. All I know is that my left wing was up and I wanted it down,
>> >> then the airplane said, no-sir, you denied me that aileron,
>> remember?
>> >> Power, lots of it. Pucker power! I had a blast.
>> >>
>> >> --------
>> >> Jeff Dill
>> >> Model 2,
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:15:22 AM PST US
> From: Steve Shinabery <shinco@bright.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: South East Kitfox Owners
>
>
> I live in Ohio.and close to grand Lake St.Marys.in west central
> Ohio.there is Lake field Airport there would be ideal for a Kitfox fly
> country air port CQA..lots of room there for one. Steve Shinabery N554KF
>
> dcsfoto wrote:
>>
>> I have a model III and almost finished with a Model 7,
>> live in Arkansas we need a midpoint to have a Kitfox flyin
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131699#131699
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:11:56 AM PST US
> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: pitot dimensions and alternate location
>
>
> Thanks Jim, I actually needed the length. I read all I could find about
> location and requirements etc for pitot tubes and it seems there are no
> strict design requirements. So my new one will be rib 5 or 6 about 5"
> below
> the wing surface.
>
>
> Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zimmermans" <jezim@pro-ns.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: pitot dimensions and alternate location
>
>
>>
>> My series 5 pitot is .250 OD X .177 ID. I ran mine where the plans said
>> except instead of drilling a hole in the spar I ran the tube in grommets
>> thru the ribs.
>> Jim Z Series 5 under const. 0-200
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:15 PM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: pitot dimensions and alternate location
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I have a mangled pitot and a desire to see it somewhere other than the
>>> stock 1991 location. I was eying rib 4 or 5 as an alternate to the
>>> specified (in my instructions) rib 7. Has anyone done this? I can't see
>>> any problems. I was also thinking of doubling it up and putting a static
>>> source along under the pitot tube and epoxying them together. Two 1/16th
>>> holes each side of the static should do I would think. I also need the
>>> dimensions of the un-mangled pitot if anyone has them .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:38:40 AM PST US
> From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: East Coast Kitfox Fly-In!
>
>
> I have a great location outside the Washington DC ADIZ and (2) nice
> grass fields and on VA's Eastern shore! Campbell Airfield! The owner will
> allow overnight camping and holds "SOUP ON SUNDAY" every Sunday when it is
> cold, and burgers and dogs, drinks all for just a small donation. The
> area
> has history and a very nice place to fly low and slow!!!!
>
> Guys and Gals, lets make this East Coast Fly-In work were ever we go.
>
> Ray Gignac
> Model IV,1200 912uls
> N2BH
>
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> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:39:36 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: EAST COAST KITTY HAWK AND MORE FLY IN....
> From: "Kem Dunnebacke" <jboatm16@netzero.com>
>
>
> Morning, i read that there is interest in a Kitty Hawk fly in? I am Based
> at Bayboro
> NC and know there area it is in route for Kitty Hawk. 10 mls west is EWN,
> class D, fuel, car,logging........LETS GO its a ocean flight with many
> wonderful
> views, OBX is on the way with a phone call we get also get fuel.a great
> place for brunch! i can have local EAA help if needed, i would be glad to
> help
> organize incoming pilots. info:252-638-5828 h 252-229-8200 cell
> Kem Dunnebacke N3163K kitfoxivplay@gmail.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131757#131757
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:51:31 AM PST US
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: flyin
>
>
> Lowell will not be staying at the motels. Unfortunately he has friends in
> the area who insists he miss all the fun at the motels and stay on their
> farm. ;-)
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:15 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: flyin
>
>
>>
>> Hi guys,
>> Since we have to share cars to get to the motels, where is everybody
>> staying? We could follow Lowell and make him buy us coffee, in the
>> mornings.
>>
>> John Oakley
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:53:17 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: South East Kitfox Owners
> From: tc9008@aol.com
>
> How about Roxboro NC? TDF.
> Travis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> Sent: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 3:47 pm
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: South East Kitfox Owners
>
>
>> I fly my Kitfox IV out of WOO/Freeway Airport in Mitchellville Md. Lets
>> meet
>
> up and do some Kitfox-in.
>
>
> Great. Now we just need someplace interesting to fly to that's somewhere
> between
>
> us. Looks like the midway point will be somewhere around the NC/VA border.
> Know
>
> anything interesting in that area?
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131621#131621
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:32:06 AM PST US
> From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: flyin
>
>
> Lowell,
> Gee that is spoiled. I hope you are helping with the milking and haying.
> :-)
> We will see you at the field then.
> John Oakley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: flyin
>
>
> Lowell will not be staying at the motels. Unfortunately he has friends in
> the area who insists he miss all the fun at the motels and stay on their
> farm. ;-)
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:15 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: flyin
>
>
>>
>> Hi guys,
>> Since we have to share cars to get to the motels, where is everybody
>> staying? We could follow Lowell and make him buy us coffee, in the
>> mornings.
>>
>> John Oakley
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:41:19 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: flyin
> From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>
>
> I tried calling the motels that were given and was told there is no rooms.
> So
> I'm bringing the camping equipement. I do have all the info for the
> surrounding
> airports and motels, but the weather is going to be real nice, so camping
> under
> the wing is what I'll probably be doing.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
> building
> RV7a
> slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
> "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not
> flying
> enough"
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131787#131787
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:04:12 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: South East Kitfox Owners
> From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>
> Kem Dunnebacke wrote:
>> Morning, i read that there is interest in a Kitty Hawk fly in? I am Based
>> at
> Bayboro NC and know there area it is in route for Kitty Hawk. 10 mls west
> is EWN,
> class D, fuel, car,logging........LETS GO its a ocean flight with many
> wonderful
> views, OBX is on the way with a phone call we get also get fuel.a great
> place for brunch! i can have local EAA help if needed, i would be glad to
> help
> organize incoming pilots. info:252-638-5828 h 252-229-8200 cell
>> Kem Dunnebacke N3163K kitfoxivplay@gmail.com
>
>
> Whoohoo! Lots of great suggestions. No matter what happens, it's already
> raised
> my spirits just to have this many people respond. So far, I count seven
> interested
> pilots and almost as many suggested destinations :-). They all sound
> interesting
> but Kitty Hawk is one that really stands out for me. The thought of
> a flock of Kitfoxes gathering at the birthplace of aviation gets my heart
> pumping.
> What do you say guys? Shall we make it Kitty Hawk?
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131791#131791
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:31:30 AM PST US
> From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 engine adjustments
>
> As I understand it, a coarser pitch on your prop will reduce your rpms at
> higher
> power settings, increase cruise speed and also raise your EGT's. I don't
> think
> it will do much to reduce rpms at idle.
>
>
> Thanks for helping me..I too will go to the 40 jets.may be it will run
> better at low RPM there.engine runs good at any thing above 2000RPM.I
> would like to get teh RPM down just a little bit more if I can.it would
> be nice.I thought that may be it could even be the propeller
> adj.needed.could this be? Thanks Steve Shinabery,N554KF KF2 582 gray head.
>
> Marco Menezes wrote:
>> Hi Steve.
>>
>> I think shaking is normal for the 582 at low idle rpms. Mine used to
>> do that too early on. Now I can't seem get the idle speed below 2500.
>> It runs smoothly there but it's a bit too fast for the centrifugal
>> clutch to disengage. I'm going to try going from 45 to 40 with the
>> idle jets before I go filing the carb slides.
>>
>> */Steve Shinabery /* wrote:
>>
>>
>> good day guys.My Kitfox 582 gray head ..runs ruff,and shakes real
>> bad.any RPM under 2000.do I too need to replace my jets to 40s.???any
>> thing above that it runs fine..I have a kitfox 2,with only 160hr
>> TT.built in 1992.N554KF.U think that I too to replace jets??thanks
>> Steve
>> Shinabery
>>
>> Bill Malpass wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH I PUT A NUMBER 40 IN MY 582 GREYHEAD, AND
>> IT MADE
>> > ALL KINDS OF IMPROVEMENT ON THE IDLE. AT ABOUT 1900, VERY
>> SMOOTH, AND
>> > BEFORE THAT IT WOULDNT GO MUCH LESS THAT 2400.
>> >
>> > I AM IN GEORGIA AND BY LEANING ON HOT DAYS, IT REALLY HELPS.
>> >
>> > BILL
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Dill"
>> > <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:31 PM
>> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 engine adjustments
>> >
>> >
>> >> <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
>> >>
>> >> Ok, I get it. Right now I have reached equilibrium again. I am
>> >> resolved that I need a leaner idle jet. My only consternation is
>> >> about which one to get, #45 or 50? I might sleep on it.
>> >>
>> >> I flew today. Connecticut has this thing about letting people pull
>> >> airplanes on trailers on a state airport. Until I fought it
>> with the
>> >> help of AOPA, they wouldn't let you do it unless you paid for a
>> tie
>> >> down. Now, they need proof of insurance and registration to
>> protect
>> >> themselves in case I hit something. If I only paid for a tie-down,
>> >> they wouldn't care if I was insured.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, I got through and had fun. Tried to see how short of a
>> >> takeoff I could accomplish. I lined up at the edge of a runway
>> stripe
>> >> and tried to get off before the beginning of the next stripe,
>> which I
>> >> did, but kind of sideways to the left, just on the brink of
>> flight,
>> >> my left tire was the last to leave the ground.
>> >>
>> >> Then I decided to test this thing about dimished aileron with full
>> >> flaps. My handle does not have a stop on it, so on downwind I
>> pulled
>> >> the handle all the way up. Diminished my butt!, The stick came to
>> >> attention and would not move left or right! I knew that
>> wouldn't do,
>> >> so I decided to select a compromise postion that combined the most
>> >> flap with the minimum aileron I thought I might need. The winds
>> were
>> >> light. So, I came down final fine, did my roundout and set up
>> for the
>> >> touchdown. I must have done one of those drop-in touchdowns that
>> >> lowers your tail and sends you right back up again, it all
>> happened
>> >> fast. All I know is that my left wing was up and I wanted it down,
>> >> then the airplane said, no-sir, you denied me that aileron,
>> remember?
>> >> Power, lots of it. Pucker power! I had a blast.
>> >>
>> >> --------
>> >> Jeff Dill
>> >> Model 2,
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Marco Menezes
> Model 2 582 N99KX
>
> ---------------------------------
> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha!
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:11:56 AM PST US
> From: "Jimmy Cantrell" <jcant1@hughes.net>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: South East Kitfox Owners
>
>
> Hey guys I live in northwest Alabama, does that qualify for southeast fly
> in, I have just finished building a 5TD with Rotec radial and hope to get
> it
> inspected next week. I would like to join you if I get enough time on the
> fox before then.
> Jim Cantrell
> Kitfox 5 TD (1995)
> Hodges, Alabama
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:03 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: South East Kitfox Owners
>
>
> Kem Dunnebacke wrote:
>> Morning, i read that there is interest in a Kitty Hawk fly in? I am Based
> at Bayboro NC and know there area it is in route for Kitty Hawk. 10 mls
> west
> is EWN, class D, fuel, car,logging........LETS GO its a ocean flight with
> many wonderful views, OBX is on the way with a phone call we get also get
> fuel.a great place for brunch! i can have local EAA help if needed, i
> would
> be glad to help organize incoming pilots. info:252-638-5828 h
> 252-229-8200
> cell
>> Kem Dunnebacke N3163K kitfoxivplay@gmail.com
>
>
> Whoohoo! Lots of great suggestions. No matter what happens, it's already
> raised my spirits just to have this many people respond. So far, I count
> seven interested pilots and almost as many suggested destinations :-).
> They
> all sound interesting but Kitty Hawk is one that really stands out for me.
> The thought of a flock of Kitfoxes gathering at the birthplace of aviation
> gets my heart pumping. What do you say guys? Shall we make it Kitty Hawk?
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131791#131791
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:28:05 AM PST US
> From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: flyin
>
>
> Hey guys... Visit the web.. it mentions the Best Western with contact
> info... and they should have some rooms left
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kitfoxmike
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:41 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: flyin
>
>
> I tried calling the motels that were given and was told there is no rooms.
> So I'm bringing the camping equipement. I do have all the info for the
> surrounding airports and motels, but the weather is going to be real nice,
> so camping under the wing is what I'll probably be doing.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
> building
> RV7a
> slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
> "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not
> flying enough"
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131787#131787
>
>
> 4:29 PM
>
> 8:21 PM
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:36:45 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: South East Kitfox Owners
> From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>
> [quote]Hey guys I live in northwest Alabama, does that qualify for
> southeast fly
> in, I have just finished building a 5TD with Rotec radial and hope to get
> it
> inspected next week. I would like to join you if I get enough time on the
> fox
> before then. [quote]
>
> Please come! I started out addressing SE based pilots thinking that people
> further
> away would not be interested. Just to be clear, EVERYONE is welcome as far
> as I'm concerned.
>
> A Rotec powered Kitfox is quite a unique specimen. It would be awsome if
> you could
> make it. What kind of timeframe are you looking at?
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131809#131809
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 15
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:05:59 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Lowell Fitt Accident
> From: "royall merill" <foxflyer@volcano.net>
>
>
> Dear Listers:
>
> I hate to bear bad news, but we (FAA) just got preliminary info on a
> crash involving Lowell Fitt and his wife, yesterday morning at 0630. I
> don't have any details. The local news sources are very limited at this
> point.
>
> Evidently they experienced some problem not long after taking off from
> Cameron Park (home), and crashed on a street just a few miles to the
> northeast. So far news reports say the two occupants received "moderate
> injuries" and had been taken to a local hospital.
>
> I will update when more is know.
>
> Royal Merrill
>
> I am a S-5 builder and have been on the list for several years. I work
> at Northern California TRACON as an ATC instructor, and have been to
> Lowell's Fly-in a couple of times.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:36:00 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: flyin
> From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>
>
> We called the best western and was told only one room left and it was
> exec. sweet
> and about 120 dollars. I think I'll camp.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
> building
> RV7a
> slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
> "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not
> flying
> enough"
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131820#131820
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 17
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:37:15 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
> From: "royall merill" <foxflyer@volcano.net>
>
>
> Listers:
>
> I just got this from the Sacramento Bee website:
>
> Small plane crash injures two in Placerville
> By Niesha Lofing - Bee Staff Writer
> Last Updated 9:24 am PDT Thursday, August 30, 2007
>
>
> A small plane has crashed in Placerville near the El Dorado campus of
> Folsom Lake College, injuring two Cameron Park residents on board.
>
> The experimental plane took off at 6:15 a.m. and was headed for Idaho,
> said El Dorado County Sheriff's deputy Phil Chovanec. It went down about
> 15 minutes later on private property on Greenwood Lane, just north of
> Green Valley Road, said El Dorado County Sheriff's Lt. Kevin House.
>
> The man and woman, whose names were not released, were taken to area
> hospital, where they are listed in stable condition. Both are conscious
> and are being treated for moderate injuries.
>
> The FAA identified the aircraft as N96KL owned by Lowell Fitt of Cameron
> Park. In my initial post I said this happened yesterday, but I
> now,believe it happened this morning. It has not hit the FAA Preliminary
> Accident data yet.
>
> Royal
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 18
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:51:05 AM PST US
> From: "Zimmermans" <jezim@pro-ns.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: pitot dimensions and alternate location
>
>
> 5 1/2 X 8 3/4 to the center of the 90 degree. Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: pitot dimensions and alternate location
>
>
>>
>> Thanks Jim, I actually needed the length. I read all I could find about
>> location and requirements etc for pitot tubes and it seems there are no
>> strict design requirements. So my new one will be rib 5 or 6 about 5"
>> below the wing surface.
>>
>>
>> Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
>> do not archive
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Zimmermans" <jezim@pro-ns.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: pitot dimensions and alternate location
>>
>>
>>>
>>> My series 5 pitot is .250 OD X .177 ID. I ran mine where the plans said
>>> except instead of drilling a hole in the spar I ran the tube in grommets
>>> thru the ribs.
>>> Jim Z Series 5 under const. 0-200
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:15 PM
>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: pitot dimensions and alternate location
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a mangled pitot and a desire to see it somewhere other than the
>>>> stock 1991 location. I was eying rib 4 or 5 as an alternate to the
>>>> specified (in my instructions) rib 7. Has anyone done this? I can't see
>>>> any problems. I was also thinking of doubling it up and putting a
>>>> static
>>>> source along under the pitot tube and epoxying them together. Two
>>>> 1/16th
>>>> holes each side of the static should do I would think. I also need the
>>>> dimensions of the un-mangled pitot if anyone has them .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 19
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:53:45 AM PST US
> From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: flyin
>
>
> Did you try LaQuinta ??
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kitfoxmike
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:35 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: flyin
>
>
> We called the best western and was told only one room left and it was
> exec.
> sweet and about 120 dollars. I think I'll camp.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
> building
> RV7a
> slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
> "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not
> flying enough"
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131820#131820
>
>
> 8:21 PM
>
> 8:21 PM
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 20
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:56:46 AM PST US
> From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>
>
> I have tried to contact Lowell and Kay directly.. Have not heard anything
> as
> of yet...
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of royall merill
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:36 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>
>
> Listers:
>
> I just got this from the Sacramento Bee website:
>
> Small plane crash injures two in Placerville
> By Niesha Lofing - Bee Staff Writer
> Last Updated 9:24 am PDT Thursday, August 30, 2007
>
>
> A small plane has crashed in Placerville near the El Dorado campus of
> Folsom Lake College, injuring two Cameron Park residents on board.
>
> The experimental plane took off at 6:15 a.m. and was headed for Idaho,
> said El Dorado County Sheriff's deputy Phil Chovanec. It went down about
> 15 minutes later on private property on Greenwood Lane, just north of
> Green Valley Road, said El Dorado County Sheriff's Lt. Kevin House.
>
> The man and woman, whose names were not released, were taken to area
> hospital, where they are listed in stable condition. Both are conscious
> and are being treated for moderate injuries.
>
> The FAA identified the aircraft as N96KL owned by Lowell Fitt of Cameron
> Park. In my initial post I said this happened yesterday, but I
> now,believe it happened this morning. It has not hit the FAA Preliminary
> Accident data yet.
>
> Royal
>
>
> 8:21 PM
>
> 8:21 PM
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 21
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:56:57 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: More News Info
> From: "royall merill" <foxflyer@volcano.net>
>
>
> Listers:
>
> I just got this weblink from Sacramento News10, with some aerial footage
> of the crash site...definitely Lowell's bird.
>
> http://www.news10.net/display_story.aspx?storyid=32209
>
> Royal Merrill
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 22
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:59:20 AM PST US
> From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lowell Fitt Accident
>
>
> At 09:04 AM 8/30/2007, you wrote:
>>I hate to bear bad news, but we (FAA) just got preliminary info on a
>>crash involving Lowell Fitt and his wife, yesterday morning at 0630. I
>>don't have any details. The local news sources are very limited at this
>>point.
>>
>>Evidently they experienced some problem not long after taking off from
>>Cameron Park (home), and crashed on a street just a few miles to the
>>northeast. So far news reports say the two occupants received "moderate
>>injuries" and had been taken to a local hospital.
>>
>>I will update when more is know.
>
> I certainly hope you are wrong, as I received an email from him at
> 4:17 pm yesterday, 8/29. I was virtually unable to find anything on
> the internet either. Please keep us informed.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 23
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:08:59 AM PST US
> From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2007, at 6:36 PM, royall merill wrote:
>> Both are conscious and are being treated for moderate injuries.
>
> Good Lord! I don't know what to say ... if you can, please keep us
> informed about their health; the reason of the crash and circumstances
> can wait!
>
> Michel
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 24
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:13:24 AM PST US
> From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>
>
> Just a quick follow-up
>
> Lowell & Kay are fine.. Lowell will share more details a little later....
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:56 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>
>
> I have tried to contact Lowell and Kay directly.. Have not heard anything
> as
> of yet...
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of royall merill
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:36 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>
>
> Listers:
>
> I just got this from the Sacramento Bee website:
>
> Small plane crash injures two in Placerville
> By Niesha Lofing - Bee Staff Writer
> Last Updated 9:24 am PDT Thursday, August 30, 2007
>
>
> A small plane has crashed in Placerville near the El Dorado campus of
> Folsom Lake College, injuring two Cameron Park residents on board.
>
> The experimental plane took off at 6:15 a.m. and was headed for Idaho,
> said El Dorado County Sheriff's deputy Phil Chovanec. It went down about
> 15 minutes later on private property on Greenwood Lane, just north of
> Green Valley Road, said El Dorado County Sheriff's Lt. Kevin House.
>
> The man and woman, whose names were not released, were taken to area
> hospital, where they are listed in stable condition. Both are conscious
> and are being treated for moderate injuries.
>
> The FAA identified the aircraft as N96KL owned by Lowell Fitt of Cameron
> Park. In my initial post I said this happened yesterday, but I
> now,believe it happened this morning. It has not hit the FAA Preliminary
> Accident data yet.
>
> Royal
>
>
> 8:21 PM
>
> 8:21 PM
>
>
> 8:21 PM
>
> 8:21 PM
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 25
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:26:43 AM PST US
> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lowell Fitt Accident
>
>
> Sorry to hear of Lowells crash but I'm much relieved that both will
> survive. Best wishes for a speedy and full recovery Lowell.
>
> Guy Buchanan wrote:
>
>>
>> At 09:04 AM 8/30/2007, you wrote:
>>
>>> I hate to bear bad news, but we (FAA) just got preliminary info on a
>>> crash involving Lowell Fitt and his wife, yesterday morning at 0630. I
>>> don't have any details. The local news sources are very limited at this
>>> point.
>>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 26
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:45:15 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: News Update #3
> From: "royall merill" <foxflyer@volcano.net>
>
>
> Listers;
>
> I am trying get any news of Lowell and Kay's condition. Here are links
> to the three local TV stations and SacBee paper:
>
> http://cbs13.com/local/local_story_242100546.html
>
> http://www.news10.net/
>
> http://www.kcra.com/news/14012071/detail.html
>
> http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/352034.html
>
> It appears they are injured, but are being treated. Hopefully, the news
> sources will have more indepth follow-up this afternoon.
>
> Royal Merrill
> NCT
> Mather, CA
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 27
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:51:19 AM PST US
> From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>
>
> Thanks for the good news!
>
> Jose
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: jdmcbean <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:13:06 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>
>
> Just a quick follow-up
>
> Lowell & Kay are fine.. Lowell will share more details a little later....
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:56 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>
>
> I have tried to contact Lowell and Kay directly.. Have not heard anything
> as
> of yet...
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of royall merill
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:36 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>
>
> Listers:
>
> I just got this from the Sacramento Bee website:
>
> Small plane crash injures two in Placerville
> By Niesha Lofing - Bee Staff Writer
> Last Updated 9:24 am PDT Thursday, August 30, 2007
>
>
> A small plane has crashed in Placerville near the El Dorado campus of
> Folsom Lake College, injuring two Cameron Park residents on board.
>
> The experimental plane took off at 6:15 a.m. and was headed for Idaho,
> said El Dorado County Sheriff's deputy Phil Chovanec. It went down about
> 15 minutes later on private property on Greenwood Lane, just north of
> Green Valley Road, said El Dorado County Sheriff's Lt. Kevin House.
>
> The man and woman, whose names were not released, were taken to area
> hospital, where they are listed in stable condition. Both are conscious
> and are being treated for moderate injuries.
>
> The FAA identified the aircraft as N96KL owned by Lowell Fitt of Cameron
> Park. In my initial post I said this happened yesterday, but I
> now,believe it happened this morning. It has not hit the FAA Preliminary
> Accident data yet.
>
> Royal
>
>
> 8:21 PM
>
> 8:21 PM
>
>
> 8:21 PM
>
> 8:21 PM
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 28
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:13:47 AM PST US
> From: mscotter@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: East Coast Kitfox Fly-In!
>
> Wow Ray, that Soup on Sunday looks like a really cool deal. I don't have
> a kitfox
> to fly in yet, but I'm thinkin about talking my Dad into flying down there
> in his Cirrus to check it out. Looks like a really interesting bunch of
> people
> and airplanes.
> If there was a Kitfox flyin there (or nearby, I'm in Elkton, MD) I'd come
> and check
> it out.
>
> Mark Scott
> Elkton, MD
> Kitfox model IV, 60%
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
>
>>
>>
>> I have a great location outside the Washington DC ADIZ and (2) nice
>> grass fields and on VA's Eastern shore! Campbell Airfield! The owner will
>> allow overnight camping and holds "SOUP ON SUNDAY" every Sunday when it
>> is
>> cold, and burgers and dogs, drinks all for just a small donation. The
>> area
>> has history and a very nice place to fly low and slow!!!!
>>
>> Guys and Gals, lets make this East Coast Fly-In work were ever we go.
>>
>> Ray Gignac
>> Model IV,1200 912uls
>> N2BH
> <html><body>
> <DIV>Wow Ray, that Soup on Sunday looks like a really cool deal. I
> don't
> have a kitfox to fly in yet, but I'm thinkin about talking my Dad into
> flying
> down there in his Cirrus to check it out. Looks like a really
> interesting
> bunch of people and airplanes.</DIV>
> <DIV>If there was a Kitfox flyin there (or nearby, I'm in Elkton, MD) I'd
> come
> and check it out.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Mark Scott</DIV>
> <DIV>Elkton, MD</DIV>
> <DIV>Kitfox model IV, 60%</DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
> #1010ff 2px
> solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "RAY
> Gignac"
> <kitfoxpilot@msn.com> <BR><BR>> --> Kitfox-List message posted
> by:
> "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@MSN.COM><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I have a
> great
> location outside the Washington DC ADIZ and (2) nice <BR>> grass fields
> and
> on VA's Eastern shore! Campbell Airfield! The owner will <BR>> allow
> overnight
> camping and holds "SOUP ON SUNDAY" every Sunday when it is <BR>> cold,
> and burgers and dogs, drinks all for just a small donation. The area
> <BR>>
> has history and a very nice place to fly low and slow!!!! <BR>>
> <BR>> Guys
> and Gals, lets make this East Coast Fly-In work were ever we go. <BR>>
> <BR>> Ray Gignac <BR>> Model IV,1200 912uls <BR>> N2BH
> </BLOCKQUOTE>
>
> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
>
>
> </b></font></pre>
>
> ________________________________ Message 29
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:22:24 AM PST US
> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Found very heavy corrosion on struts.
>
>
> I decided to remove the old fairings the old struts that I have
> replaced. I won't use them over but thought it might be worth hanging
> onto them for a bit. Under the polyfiber covering I found heavily sanded
> bright metal where the primer came off with the polyfiber and smotth
> primer in the areaa where it didn't. The wood looks like nice straight
> grained pine and still smells like freshly cut, very dry and light. In
> the area downstrut from the jury strut mounts where weather or
> condensate has been able to gather for about two feet there is very
> heavy and scaly rust I took a wire brush to to it and then cut it in
> several sections in this area and I don't think it represents anything
> that would fail, yet. I just figured I'd mention it as a potential area
> of concern. these are Denney/Skystar struts from 1991. The inside is
> still dull grey and appears to have an oil coating.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 30
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:53:11 AM PST US
> From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2007, at 7:13 PM, jdmcbean wrote:
>> Lowell & Kay are fine.. Lowell will share more details a little
>> later....
>
> Thanks, John, that's the news I wanted to hear. For you, guys in the
> US: while I live in Europe and never had the pleasure to meet Lowell
> and Kay, as some of you has, I nearly did last year, when I was about
> to fly to San Francisco with my son. Lowell and Kay had invited me to
> their place and I was really looking forward to meet them at Cameron
> Park, the dream residence for pilots. Alas, a sudden illness of our
> grand daughter prevented us to do the trip. Lowell has also helped me a
> lot with parts for my plane.
>
> I would like then join you to give my best wishes to Kay and Lowell for
> a prompt return to a normal life and let me participate if we can do
> anything to brighten their next days. Contact me off-list for any
> arrangement.
>
> Best regards,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 31
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:09:32 PM PST US
> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: pitot dimensions and alternate location
>
>
> Thanks, I now have a new pitot, stainless this time as I was unable to buy
> 1/4" aluminum tube.
>
> Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zimmermans" <jezim@pro-ns.net>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: pitot dimensions and alternate location
>
>
>>
>> 5 1/2 X 8 3/4 to the center of the 90 degree. Jim
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 32
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:15:09 PM PST US
> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 engine adjustments
>
> Partly true Marco. A coarser pitch on the prop will "reduce" EGTs at
> cruise.
> Good seeing you at East Tawas.
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marco Menezes
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 engine adjustments
>
>
> As I understand it, a coarser pitch on your prop will reduce your rpms
> at higher power settings, increase cruise speed and also raise your
> EGT's. I don't think it will do much to reduce rpms at idle.
>
> Steve Shinabery <shinco@bright.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks for helping me..I too will go to the 40 jets.may be it will
> run
> better at low RPM there.engine runs good at any thing above
> 2000RPM.I
> would like to get teh RPM down just a little bit more if I can.it
> would
> be nice.I thought that may be it could even be the propeller
> adj.needed.could this be? Thanks Steve Shinabery,N554KF KF2 582 gray
> head.
>
> Marco Menezes wrote:
> > Hi Steve.
> >
> > I think shaking is normal for the 582 at low idle rpms. Mine used
> to
> > do that too early on. Now I can't seem get the idle speed below
> 2500.
> > It runs smoothly there but it's a bit too fast for the centrifugal
>
> > clutch to disengage. I'm going to try going from 45 to 40 with the
>
> > idle jets before I go filing the carb slides.
> >
> > */Steve Shinabery /* wrote:
> >
> >
> > good day guys.My Kitfox 582 gray head ..runs ruff,and shakes real
> > bad.any RPM under 2000.do I too need to replace my jets to
> 40s.???any
> > thing above that it runs fine..I have a kitfox 2,with only 160hr
> > TT.built in 1992.N554KF.U think that I too to replace jets??thanks
> > Steve
> > Shinabery
> >
> > Bill Malpass wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH I PUT A NUMBER 40 IN MY 582 GREYHEAD, AND
> > IT MADE
> > > ALL KINDS OF IMPROVEMENT ON THE IDLE. AT ABOUT 1900, VERY
> > SMOOTH, AND
> > > BEFORE THAT IT WOULDNT GO MUCH LESS THAT 2400.
> > >
> > > I AM IN GEORGIA AND BY LEANING ON HOT DAYS, IT REALLY HELPS.
> > >
> > > BILL
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Dill"
> > > <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:31 PM
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 engine adjustments
> > >
> > >
> > >> <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
> > >>
> > >> Ok, I get it. Right now I have reached equilibrium again. I am
> > >> resolved that I need a leaner idle jet. My only consternation
> is
> > >> about which one to get, #45 or 50? I might sleep on it.
> > >>
> > >> I flew today. Connecticut has this thing about letting people
> pull
> > >> airplanes on trailers on a state airport. Until I fought it
> > with the
> > >> help of AOPA, they wouldn't let you do it unless you paid for a
> > tie
> > >> down. Now, they need proof of insurance and registration to
> > protect
> > >> themselves in case I hit something. If I only paid for a
> tie-down,
> > >> they wouldn't care if I was insured.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, I got through and had fun. Tried to see how short of a
> > >> takeoff I could accomplish. I lined up at the edge of a runway
> > stripe
> > >> and tried to get off before the beginning of the next stripe,
> > which I
> > >> did, but kind of sideways to the left, just on the brink of
> > flight,
> > >> my left tire was the last to leave the ground.
> > >>
> > >> Then I decided to test this thing about dimished aileron with
> full
> > >> flaps. My handle does not have a stop on it, so on downwind I
> > pulled
> > >> the handle all the way up. Diminished my butt!, The stick came
> to
> > >> attention and would not move left or right! I knew that
> > wouldn't do,
> > >> so I decided to select a compromise postion that combined the
> most
> > >> flap with the minimum aileron I thought I might need. The winds
> > were
> > >> light. So, I came down final fine, did my roundout and set up
> > for the
> > >> touchdown. I must have done one of those drop-in touchdowns
> that
> > >> lowers your tail and sends you right back up again, it all
> > happened
> > >> fast. All I know is that my left wing was up and I wanted it
> down,
> > >> then the airplane said, no-sir, you denied me that aileron,
> > remember?
> > >> Power, lots of it. Pucker power! I had a blast.
> > >>
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 33
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:19:03 PM PST US
> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>
>
> Wow, I just read the initial report and nearly fell out of my chair, but
> your message below will make my day go a little easier.
> Awaiting more news.
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:13 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>
>
> <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
>>
>> Just a quick follow-up
>>
>> Lowell & Kay are fine.. Lowell will share more details a little later....
>>
>> Fly Safe !!
>> John & Debra McBean
>> 208.337.5111
>> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:56 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>>
> <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
>>
>> I have tried to contact Lowell and Kay directly.. Have not heard anything
> as
>> of yet...
>>
>> Fly Safe !!
>> John & Debra McBean
>> 208.337.5111
>> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of royall merill
>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:36 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>>
>>
>> Listers:
>>
>> I just got this from the Sacramento Bee website:
>>
>> Small plane crash injures two in Placerville
>> By Niesha Lofing - Bee Staff Writer
>> Last Updated 9:24 am PDT Thursday, August 30, 2007
>>
>>
>> A small plane has crashed in Placerville near the El Dorado campus of
>> Folsom Lake College, injuring two Cameron Park residents on board.
>>
>> The experimental plane took off at 6:15 a.m. and was headed for Idaho,
>> said El Dorado County Sheriff's deputy Phil Chovanec. It went down about
>> 15 minutes later on private property on Greenwood Lane, just north of
>> Green Valley Road, said El Dorado County Sheriff's Lt. Kevin House.
>>
>> The man and woman, whose names were not released, were taken to area
>> hospital, where they are listed in stable condition. Both are conscious
>> and are being treated for moderate injuries.
>>
>> The FAA identified the aircraft as N96KL owned by Lowell Fitt of Cameron
>> Park. In my initial post I said this happened yesterday, but I
>> now,believe it happened this morning. It has not hit the FAA Preliminary
>> Accident data yet.
>>
>> Royal
>>
>>
>> 8:21 PM
>>
>> 8:21 PM
>>
>>
>> 8:21 PM
>>
>> 8:21 PM
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 34
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:38:41 PM PST US
> From: SUE MICHAELS <michaega@verizon.net>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>
> Terrible news of Lowell and Kay's injuries and loss of a sweet aircraft !
>
> Great news that they will mend and hopefully get back in the saddle again
> in
> the near future.
>
> jdmcbean <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com> wrote:
>
> Just a quick follow-up
>
> Lowell & Kay are fine.. Lowell will share more details a little later....
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:56 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>
>
> I have tried to contact Lowell and Kay directly.. Have not heard anything
> as
> of yet...
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of royall merill
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:36 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>
>
> Listers:
>
> I just got this from the Sacramento Bee website:
>
> Small plane crash injures two in Placerville
> By Niesha Lofing - Bee Staff Writer
> Last Updated 9:24 am PDT Thursday, August 30, 2007
>
>
> A small plane has crashed in Placerville near the El Dorado campus of
> Folsom Lake College, injuring two Cameron Park residents on board.
>
> The experimental plane took off at 6:15 a.m. and was headed for Idaho,
> said El Dorado County Sheriff's deputy Phil Chovanec. It went down about
> 15 minutes later on private property on Greenwood Lane, just north of
> Green Valley Road, said El Dorado County Sheriff's Lt. Kevin House.
>
> The man and woman, whose names were not released, were taken to area
> hospital, where they are listed in stable condition. Both are conscious
> and are being treated for moderate injuries.
>
> The FAA identified the aircraft as N96KL owned by Lowell Fitt of Cameron
> Park. In my initial post I said this happened yesterday, but I
> now,believe it happened this morning. It has not hit the FAA Preliminary
> Accident data yet.
>
> Royal
>
>
> 8:21 PM
>
> 8:21 PM
>
>
> 8:21 PM
>
> 8:21 PM
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 35
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:42:24 PM PST US
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 engine adjustments
>
> "Two out of three ain't bad" .... Increasing pitch lowers EGT. All other
> things remaining consistent.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 engine adjustments
>
>
> As I understand it, a coarser pitch on your prop will reduce your rpms at
> higher power settings, increase cruise speed and also raise your EGT's. I
> don't think it will do much to reduce rpms at idle.
>
> Steve Shinabery <shinco@bright.net> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for helping me..I too will go to the 40 jets.may be it will run
> better at low RPM there.engine runs good at any thing above 2000RPM.I
> would like to get teh RPM down just a little bit more if I can.it would
> be nice.I thought that may be it could even be the propeller
> adj.needed.could this be? Thanks Steve Shinabery,N554KF KF2 582 gray head.
>
> Marco Menezes wrote:
>> Hi Steve.
>>
>> I think shaking is normal for the 582 at low idle rpms. Mine used to
>> do that too early on. Now I can't seem get the idle speed below 2500.
>> It runs smoothly there but it's a bit too fast for the centrifugal
>> clutch to disengage. I'm going to try going from 45 to 40 with the
>> idle jets before I go filing the carb slides.
>>
>> */Steve Shinabery /* wrote:
>>
>>
>> good day guys.My Kitfox 582 gray head ..runs ruff,and shakes real
>> bad.any RPM under 2000.do I too need to replace my jets to 40s.???any
>> thing above that it runs fine..I have a kitfox 2,with only 160hr
>> TT.built in 1992.N554KF.U think that I too to replace jets??thanks
>> Steve
>> Shinabery
>>
>> Bill Malpass wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH I PUT A NUMBER 40 IN MY 582 GREYHEAD, AND
>> IT MADE
>> > ALL KINDS OF IMPROVEMENT ON THE IDLE. AT ABOUT 1900, VERY
>> SMOOTH, AND
>> > BEFORE THAT IT WOULDNT GO MUCH LESS THAT 2400.
>> >
>> > I AM IN GEORGIA AND BY LEANING ON HOT DAYS, IT REALLY HELPS.
>> >
>> > BILL
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Dill"
>> > <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:31 PM
>> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 engine adjustments
>> >
>> >
>> >> <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
>> >>
>> >> Ok, I get it. Right now I have reached equilibrium again. I am
>> >> resolved that I need a leaner idle jet. My only consternation is
>> >> about which one to get, #45 or 50? I might sleep on it.
>> >>
>> >> I flew today. Connecticut has this thing about letting people pull
>> >> airplanes on trailers on a state airport. Until I fought it
>> with the
>> >> help of AOPA, they wouldn't let you do it unless you paid for a
>> tie
>> >> down. Now, they need proof of insurance and registration to
>> protect
>> >> themselves in case I hit something. If I only paid for a tie-down,
>> >> they wouldn't care if I was insured.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, I got through and had fun. Tried to see how short of a
>> >> takeoff I could accomplish. I lined up at the edge of a runway
>> stripe
>> >> and tried to get off before the beginning of the next stripe,
>> which I
>> >> did, but kind of sideways to the left, just on the brink of
>> flight,
>> >> my left tire was the last to leave the ground.
>> >>
>> >> Then I decided to test this thing about dimished aileron with full
>> >> flaps. My handle does not have a stop on it, so on downwind I
>> pulled
>> >> the handle all the way up. Diminished my butt!, The stick came to
>> >> attention and would not move left or right! I knew that
>> wouldn't do,
>> >> so I decided to select a compromise postion that combined the most
>> >> flap with the minimum aileron I thought I might need. The winds
>> were
>> >> light. So, I came down final fine, did my roundout and set up
>> for the
>> >> touchdown. I must have done one of those drop-in touchdowns that
>> >> lowers your tail and sends you right back up again, it all
>> happened
>> >> fast. All I know is that my left wing was up and I wanted it down,
>> >> then the airplane said, no-sir, you denied me that aileron,
>> remember?
>> >> Power, lots of it. Pucker power! I had a blast.
>> >>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 36
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:48:55 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Crash Followup
> From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>
>
>
> The description of the wreckage sounds bad.
>
> http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/352034.html
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131878#131878
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 37
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:50:25 PM PST US
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>
> My best wishes to Lowell and his wife for a speedy and complete recovery.
>
>
> Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
> Campbellton, Newfoundland,
> Canada
> Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
> Aerocet 1100s
> <mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Michel Verheughe
>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 4:22 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2007, at 7:13 PM, jdmcbean wrote:
>> > Lowell & Kay are fine.. Lowell will share more details a little
>> > later....
>>
>> Thanks, John, that's the news I wanted to hear. For you, guys in the
>> US: while I live in Europe and never had the pleasure to meet Lowell
>> and Kay, as some of you has, I nearly did last year, when I was about
>> to fly to San Francisco with my son. Lowell and Kay had invited me to
>> their place and I was really looking forward to meet them at Cameron
>> Park, the dream residence for pilots. Alas, a sudden illness of our
>> grand daughter prevented us to do the trip. Lowell has also
>> helped me a
>> lot with parts for my plane.
>>
>> I would like then join you to give my best wishes to Kay and
>> Lowell for
>> a prompt return to a normal life and let me participate if we can do
>> anything to brighten their next days. Contact me off-list for any
>> arrangement.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Michel
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 38
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:19:13 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Crash Followup
> From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>
>
> It is really sad to hear about this. Glad they will be ok. Now for the
> airplane,
> it's his baby, he will hurt at that lose. He may have future problems
> with
> the FAA, maybe a check ride. He will have withdrawls, he WILL have
> problems
> with getting back in the saddle, his wife will have problems of this kind
> as
> well. I wish him all that can be given for the hurdles he has in store.
> I personally
> know what it's like to crash an airplane, not fun, the aftermath that
> is. Many people come back and bash you as a pilot, not fun either. I
> wish Lowell
> and his wife the best.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
> building
> RV7a
> slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
> "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not
> flying
> enough"
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131886#131886
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 39
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:19:42 PM PST US
> From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Found very heavy corrosion on struts / support from
> John
> and Debra / first flight
>
> Dave:=0A=0AI had a similar experience with my ex KF II. The wood fairings
> were removed after the plane had been grounded for about a year. What we
> f
> ound in one of the lift struts was a hole on the wing lift strut right
> unde
> r one of the jury strut attach brackets. It was obvious that the wood
> fair
> ing was retaining water concentrated in that point. =0A=0ATo fix the
> probl
> em, we obtained two brand new wing lift struts from Kitfox LLC. Since
> ther
> e are no jigs available for earlier/Dan Denney models, we had to send an
> ol
> d strut to be used as a model to copy the dimensions/angles/etc.=0A=0AI'm
> v
> ery pleased and grateful of the responsiveness and friendly support that I
> got from John and Debra.=0A=0AI'm happy to report that on Saturday, Aug
> 25,
> I performed the first test flight after the plane was fully restored. "My
> " Kitfox II has a proud, new owner... but I'm still in love!!!=0A=0AJose
> To
> ro=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Dave G.
> <occom@ns.sympati
> co.ca>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, August 30, 2007
> 2:
> 21:57 PM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Found very heavy corrosion on struts.=0A
> =0A=0AI decided to remove the old fairings the old struts that I have
> =0Are
> placed. I won't use them over but thought it might be worth hanging
> =0Aonto
> them for a bit. Under the polyfiber covering I found heavily sanded =0Abri
> ght metal where the primer came off with the polyfiber and smotth
> =0Aprimer
> in the areaa where it didn't. The wood looks like nice straight =0Agraine
> d pine and still smells like freshly cut, very dry and light. In =0Athe
> are
> a downstrut from the jury strut mounts where weather or =0Acondensate has
> b
> een able to gather for about two feet there is very =0Aheavy and scaly
> rust
> I took a wire brush to to it and then cut it in =0Aseveral sections in thi
> s area and I don't think it represents anything =0Athat would fail, yet. I
> just figured I'd mention it as a potential area =0Aof concern. these are
> De
> nney/Skystar struts from 1991. The inside is =0Astill dull grey and
> appears
> ==========0A=0A=0A =0A_____________________________
> _______________________________________________________=0AGot a little
> couc
> o.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz
>
> ________________________________ Message 40
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:25:00 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Crash Followup
> From: "eskflyer" <eskflyer@yahoo.com>
>
>
> I truly hope they are both OK . Hopefully will get back in air soon .
> John Perry
>
> --------
> FLY FUN FLY LOW FLY SLOW
> John Perry
> Kitfox 2 N718PD
> 582 cbox 2:62-1 IVO IFA
> WHEELS NorthAire Floats
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131888#131888
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 41
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:50:46 PM PST US
> From: "jeff puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Puff The Magic Taildragger
>
> Thanks Randy, I appreciate it. Jeff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Randy Daughenbaugh
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:03 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Puff The Magic Taildragger
>
>
> Jeff,
>
> This exact scenario has been described before on the list. It would
> seem that you have nothing to worry about.
>
>
> Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH
>
> Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
>
> Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
>
> Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip
>
> Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jeff puls
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 9:15 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Puff The Magic Taildragger
>
>
> I went out to the airport to fly the Fox the other night. I have the
> 912UL. I have not flown in over a month and a half. I removed my oil cap
> to cycle the prop through. The prop seemed to be frozen. In the past I
> have removed a plug and let the oil seep out as I was cranking the
> engine and it locked. Anyway, while I was standing there I leaned on the
> prop as it was at the horizontal. Ever so lightly I leaned on the prop
> and applied a little constant pressure and it cycled through. I
> continued to cycle the prop and after what seemed like a short period of
> time (Less than normal) it did the customary "Gurgle." I started the
> engine and got a bunch of smoke coming from my exhaust. It seemed to do
> it for about 200' and then it stopped. It looked like I was spraying for
> misquitos. I went ahead and flew and the engine ran perfect. I assume
> that I had some oil in one of the cylinders when it seemed to be locked.
> Does anyone concur with that. I don't think I bent a rod because it ran
> perfect as it always does. It hasn't belched or f _ _ ted in 300 hours.
> Jeff Classic IV
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 42
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:06:52 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Puff The Magic Taildragger
> From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>
>
> Not anything to worry about. The two back cylinders are the ones that get
> the
> oil. Mainly because of the tail wheel. Next time you can just remove the
> back
> spark plugs and spray some brake cleaner in there and wash out the oil in
> the
> cylinders and of course burp the system. Then you can start it without
> the oil
> burn, otherwise you can just do what you did and leave a smoke trail.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
> building
> RV7a
> slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
> "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not
> flying
> enough"
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131903#131903
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 43
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:18:20 PM PST US
> From: GONER752@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lowell Fitt Accident
>
> Good thoughts and prayers to Lowell and his wife.
>
> Greg G.
>
> Macedon, N.Y.
> 23NK
> n375KL
> Mod 2
> 582
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
>
> ________________________________ Message 44
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:30:40 PM PST US
> From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 engine adjustments
>
> Thanks. I'm here to learn. (66%, a "C-" passing, but barely)
>
> My best also to Lowell and wife. Tho we've not had the pleasure of
> meeting face
> to face, I've learned alot from him in this forum.
>
> do not archive
>
> fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:
> Partly true Marco. A coarser pitch on the prop will "reduce"
> EGTs at
> cruise.
> Good seeing you at East Tawas.
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marco Menezes
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 engine adjustments
>
>
> As I understand it, a coarser pitch on your prop will reduce your rpms at
> higher
> power settings, increase cruise speed and also raise your EGT's. I don't
> think
> it will do much to reduce rpms at idle.
>
>
> Thanks for helping me..I too will go to the 40 jets.may be it will run
> better at low RPM there.engine runs good at any thing above 2000RPM.I
> would like to get teh RPM down just a little bit more if I can.it would
> be nice.I thought that may be it could even be the propeller
> adj.needed.could this be? Thanks Steve Shinabery,N554KF KF2 582 gray head.
>
> Marco Menezes wrote:
>> Hi Steve.
>>
>> I think shaking is normal for the 582 at low idle rpms. Mine used to
>> do that too early on. Now I can't seem get the idle speed below 2500.
>> It runs smoothly there but it's a bit too fast for the centrifugal
>> clutch to disengage. I'm going to try going from 45 to 40 with the
>> idle jets before I go filing the carb slides.
>>
>> */Steve Shinabery /* wrote:
>>
>>
>> good day guys.My Kitfox 582 gray head ..runs ruff,and shakes real
>> bad.any RPM under 2000.do I too need to replace my jets to 40s.???any
>> thing above that it runs fine..I have a kitfox 2,with only 160hr
>> TT.built in 1992.N554KF.U think that I too to replace jets??thanks
>> Steve
>> Shinabery
>>
>> Bill Malpass wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH I PUT A NUMBER 40 IN MY 582 GREYHEAD, AND
>> IT MADE
>> > ALL KINDS OF IMPROVEMENT ON THE IDLE. AT ABOUT 1900, VERY
>> SMOOTH, AND
>> > BEFORE THAT IT WOULDNT GO MUCH LESS THAT 2400.
>> >
>> > I AM IN GEORGIA AND BY LEANING ON HOT DAYS, IT REALLY HELPS.
>> >
>> > BILL
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Dill"
>> > <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:31 PM
>> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 engine adjustments
>> >
>> >
>> >> <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
>> >>
>> >> Ok, I get it. Right now I have reached equilibrium again. I am
>> >> resolved that I need a leaner idle jet. My only consternation is
>> >> about which one to get, #45 or 50? I might sleep on it.
>> >>
>> >> I flew today. Connecticut has this thing about letting people pull
>> >> airplanes on trailers on a state airport. Until I fought it
>> with the
>> >> help of AOPA, they wouldn't let you do it unless you paid for a
>> tie
>> >> down. Now, they need proof of insurance and registration to
>> protect
>> >> themselves in case I hit something. If I only paid for a tie-down,
>> >> they wouldn't care if I was insured.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, I got through and had fun. Tried to see how short of a
>> >> takeoff I could accomplish. I lined up at the edge of a runway
>> stripe
>> >> and tried to get off before the beginning of the next stripe,
>> which I
>> >> did, but kind of sideways to the left, just on the brink of
>> flight,
>> >> my left tire was the last to leave the ground.
>> >>
>> >> Then I decided to test this thing about dimished aileron with full
>> >> flaps. My handle does not have a stop on it, so on downwind I
>> pulled
>> >> the handle all the way up. Diminished my butt!, The stick came to
>> >> attention and would not move left or right! I knew that
>> wouldn't do,
>> >> so I decided to select a compromise postion that combined the most
>> >> flap with the minimum aileron I thought I might need. The winds
>> were
>> >> light. So, I came down final fine, did my roundout and set up
>> for the
>> >> touchdown. I must have done one of those drop-in touchdowns that
>> >> lowers your tail and sends you right back up again, it all
>> happened
>> >> fast. All I know is that my left wing was up and I wanted it down,
>> >> then the airplane said, no-sir, you denied me that aileron,
>> remember?
>> >> Power, lots of it. Pucker power! I had a blast.
>> >>
>>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> Marco Menezes
> Model 2 582 N99KX
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> ________________________________ Message 45
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:44:20 PM PST US
> From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft Instruments
>
> I have several instruments that some of the new builders may need. All
> are new and still in the original boxes. If interested email me direct
> at jimmieblackwell@austin.rr.com or call me at 512 695-6627. Each
> instrument has the appropriate connectors, panel attaching hardware,
> sensors and senders.
>
> Following are the instruments:
>
> Dual oil temperature and pressure by Westberg, includes sensors and
> sendors.
>
> Cylinder Head temperature by Westberg, includes sendor.
>
> Fuel level by Westberg.
>
> Air Path Compass
>
> Airspeed indicator, 0-120mph, by Airwolf
>
> Altimeter
>
> Prefer to sell them altogether. To buy them from Spruce and Air Wolf
> would cost over $800. I will take $500 for all them and pay for
> shipping.
>
> Be happy to talk to anyone interested.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jimmie
>
> ________________________________ Message 46
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:50:41 PM PST US
> From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Texas to Idaho... was Aircraft Instruments
>
> Hey Jimmie. How come you didnt come up with Rocky and Denise ?? Theyre
> here !!
>
>
> Do not Archive
>
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie
> Blackwell
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 3:44 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft Instruments
>
> I have several instruments that some of the new builders may need. All
> are
> new and still in the original boxes. If interested email me direct at
> jimmieblackwell@austin.rr.com <mailto:jimmieblackwell@austin.rr.com> or
> call me at 512 695-6627. Each instrument has the appropriate connectors,
> panel attaching hardware, sensors and senders.
>
> Following are the instruments:
>
> Dual oil temperature and pressure by Westberg, includes sensors and
> sendors.
>
> Cylinder Head temperature by Westberg, includes sendor.
>
> Fuel level by Westberg.
>
> Air Path Compass
>
> Airspeed indicator, 0-120mph, by Airwolf
>
> Altimeter
>
> Prefer to sell them altogether. To buy them from Spruce and Air Wolf
> would
> cost over $800. I will take $500 for all them and pay for shipping.
>
> Be happy to talk to anyone interested.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jimmie
>
>
> 8:21 PM
>
> ________________________________ Message 47
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:51:46 PM PST US
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft Instruments
>
> Where are you located ??
>
>
> Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
> Campbellton, Newfoundland,
> Canada
> Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
> Aerocet 1100s
> <mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
>
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jimmie
> Blackwell
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:14 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft Instruments
>
>
> I have several instruments that some of the new builders may need. All
> are
> new and still in the original boxes. If interested email me direct at
> jimmieblackwell@austin.rr.com or call me at 512 695-6627. Each
> instrument
> has the appropriate connectors, panel attaching hardware, sensors and
> senders.
>
> Following are the instruments:
>
> Dual oil temperature and pressure by Westberg, includes sensors and
> sendors.
>
> Cylinder Head temperature by Westberg, includes sendor.
>
> Fuel level by Westberg.
>
> Air Path Compass
>
> Airspeed indicator, 0-120mph, by Airwolf
>
> Altimeter
>
> Prefer to sell them altogether. To buy them from Spruce and Air Wolf
> would
> cost over $800. I will take $500 for all them and pay for shipping.
>
> Be happy to talk to anyone interested.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jimmie
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 48
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:32:56 PM PST US
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
> From: fly2wb@dishmail.net
>
>
> Thanks so much for the update John.
> So glad they are OK!
> The plane looks terrible--go to KCRA.com for pics and short video.
> Brad
> Wichita
> 5-LYC o-235
>
>
>> <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
>>
>> Just a quick follow-up
>>
>> Lowell & Kay are fine.. Lowell will share more details a little later....
>>
>> Fly Safe !!
>> John & Debra McBean
>> 208.337.5111
>> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:56 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>>
>> <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
>>
>> I have tried to contact Lowell and Kay directly.. Have not heard anything
>> as
>> of yet...
>>
>> Fly Safe !!
>> John & Debra McBean
>> 208.337.5111
>> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of royall merill
>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:36 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>>
>>
>> Listers:
>>
>> I just got this from the Sacramento Bee website:
>>
>> Small plane crash injures two in Placerville
>> By Niesha Lofing - Bee Staff Writer
>> Last Updated 9:24 am PDT Thursday, August 30, 2007
>>
>>
>> A small plane has crashed in Placerville near the El Dorado campus of
>> Folsom Lake College, injuring two Cameron Park residents on board.
>>
>> The experimental plane took off at 6:15 a.m. and was headed for Idaho,
>> said El Dorado County Sheriff's deputy Phil Chovanec. It went down about
>> 15 minutes later on private property on Greenwood Lane, just north of
>> Green Valley Road, said El Dorado County Sheriff's Lt. Kevin House.
>>
>> The man and woman, whose names were not released, were taken to area
>> hospital, where they are listed in stable condition. Both are conscious
>> and are being treated for moderate injuries.
>>
>> The FAA identified the aircraft as N96KL owned by Lowell Fitt of Cameron
>> Park. In my initial post I said this happened yesterday, but I
>> now,believe it happened this morning. It has not hit the FAA Preliminary
>> Accident data yet.
>>
>> Royal
>>
>>
>> 8:21 PM
>>
>> 8:21 PM
>>
>>
>> 8:21 PM
>>
>> 8:21 PM
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 49
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:04:55 PM PST US
> From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Texas to Idaho... was Aircraft Instruments
>
> John
>
> Thanks for asking and glad Rocky and Denise are there safe. Better hide
> your Tequilla with Rocky around!
>
> Sure would like to have come up there. These days we have to stay close
> to the homestead to help our daughter take care of 9 month old triplet
> boys. Maybe can come up next year.
>
> Take good care of Rocky and Denise. They great folks.
>
> Jimmie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jdmcbean
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:50 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Texas to Idaho... was Aircraft Instruments
>
>
> Hey Jimmie.. How come you didn't come up with Rocky and Denise ??
> They're here !!
>
>
> Do not Archive
>
>
> Fly Safe !!
>
> John & Debra McBean
>
> 208.337.5111
>
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie
> Blackwell
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 3:44 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft Instruments
>
>
> I have several instruments that some of the new builders may need.
> All are new and still in the original boxes. If interested email me
> direct at jimmieblackwell@austin.rr.com or call me at 512 695-6627. Each
> instrument has the appropriate connectors, panel attaching hardware,
> sensors and senders.
>
>
> Following are the instruments:
>
>
> Dual oil temperature and pressure by Westberg, includes sensors and
> sendors.
>
>
> Cylinder Head temperature by Westberg, includes sendor.
>
>
> Fuel level by Westberg.
>
>
> Air Path Compass
>
>
> Airspeed indicator, 0-120mph, by Airwolf
>
>
> Altimeter
>
>
> Prefer to sell them altogether. To buy them from Spruce and Air Wolf
> would cost over $800. I will take $500 for all them and pay for
> shipping.
>
>
> Be happy to talk to anyone interested.
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> Jimmie
>
> - The Kitfox-List Email Forum - -->
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List - NEW
> MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 50
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:13:30 PM PST US
> From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: PCAS - Portable Collision Avoidance System
>
> I am giving some consideration to getting one of the Zaon Flight Systems
> PCAS. Was hoping that some of you have experience with this system.
> Sure would like to hear opinions/experience with this equipment or
> alternate systems.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jimmie
> Model IV, Speedster, 912UL
>
> ________________________________ Message 51
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:56:26 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Primer Fuel Lines / Model II
> From: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
>
>
> Thanks for the answers, and for John's idea of the short stroke primer,
> I'll check
> with Aircraft Spruce.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131958#131958
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 52
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:21:39 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Crash Followup
> From: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
>
>
> Thank God they were not severely hurt. Planes can be repaired or
> replaced.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131961#131961
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: pitot dimensions and alternate location |
I've got a factory fresh pitot (1994) that you can have,if you want
it...I used a Spruce tube for my plane.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/395+ hrs
do not archive
On Aug 30, 2007, at 3:09 PM, Dave G. wrote:
>
> Thanks, I now have a new pitot, stainless this time as I was unable
> to buy 1/4" aluminum tube.
>
> Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
>
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| Subject: | Re: South East Kitfox Owners |
I've got a friend who lives in Fayetteville, NC, and I'll be visiting
him sometime, so I'd join up with you folks if you don't mind a
Northerner infiltrating the ranks. : )
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/395+ hrs
do not archive
On Aug 30, 2007, at 10:03 AM, wingnut wrote:
>
>
> Kem Dunnebacke wrote:
>> Morning, i read that there is interest in a Kitty Hawk fly in? I
>> am Based at Bayboro NC and know there area it is in route for
>> Kitty Hawk. 10 mls west is EWN, class D, fuel,
>> car,logging........LETS GO its a ocean flight with many wonderful
>> views, OBX is on the way with a phone call we get also get fuel.a
>> great place for brunch! i can have local EAA help if needed, i
>> would be glad to help organize incoming pilots. info:252-638-5828
>> h 252-229-8200 cell
>> Kem Dunnebacke N3163K kitfoxivplay@gmail.com
>
>
> Whoohoo! Lots of great suggestions. No matter what happens, it's
> already raised my spirits just to have this many people respond.
> So far, I count seven interested pilots and almost as many
> suggested destinations :-). They all sound interesting but Kitty
> Hawk is one that really stands out for me. The thought of a flock
> of Kitfoxes gathering at the birthplace of aviation gets my heart
> pumping. What do you say guys? Shall we make it Kitty Hawk?
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
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| Subject: | Re: pitot dimensions and alternate location |
Thanks Lynn, the new stainless one is now mounted.
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> I've got a factory fresh pitot (1994) that you can have,if you want
> it...I used a Spruce tube for my plane.
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/395+ hrs
> do not archive
>
> On Aug 30, 2007, at 3:09 PM, Dave G. wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks, I now have a new pitot, stainless this time as I was unable
>> to buy 1/4" aluminum tube.
>>
>> Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
>>
>
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| Subject: | EAST COAST FLY-IN |
I am happy that there is an intrest in the east coast fly-in! I have
made a suggestion that we all meet at Campbell Field Airport on VA's eastern
shore. This is a grass roots airport made for the Kitfox. Two grass fields
and lots of great flying on the eastern shore. Here is the link to the
airport I hope Kitfoxers take a look. By the way if you scroll down you
will see my Fox taking off and in a nice bank!!
http://www.campbellfieldairport.com/
Ray
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| Subject: | Re: Lowell Fitt Accident |
Very bad news, but WAY better outcome than most plane crashes..I hope
Lowell and Kay mend real soon.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/395+ hrs
do not archive
On Aug 30, 2007, at 12:04 PM, royall merill wrote:
> <foxflyer@volcano.net>
>
> Dear Listers:
>
> I hate to bear bad news, but we (FAA) just got preliminary info on a
> crash involving Lowell Fitt and his wife, yesterday morning at
> 0630. I
> don't have any details. The local news sources are very limited at
> this
> point.
>
> Evidently they experienced some problem not long after taking off from
> Cameron Park (home), and crashed on a street just a few miles to the
> northeast. So far news reports say the two occupants received
> "moderate
> injuries" and had been taken to a local hospital.
>
> I will update when more is know.
>
> Royal Merrill
>
> I am a S-5 builder and have been on the list for several years. I
> work
> at Northern California TRACON as an ATC instructor, and have been to
> Lowell's Fly-in a couple of times.
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I would like to change my Classic IV from a taildragger to tricycle, does
anyone know where I can get a steerable nose wheel that is suitable?
Thx,
Steve
Baldwin, ON Canada
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| Subject: | Re: South East Kitfox Owners |
> I've got a friend who lives in Fayetteville, NC, and I'll be visiting
> him sometime, so I'd join up with you folks if you don't mind a
> Northerner infiltrating the ranks. : )
Holy cow! It's the infamous Lynn Matteson. There goes the neighborhood! That would
be awesome Lynn.
Well it looks like we certainly have enough interest now we need to pick a place
and a time. At the moment, I see two alternatives that look really interesting.
Campbell Field Airport on VA's eastern and First Flight Airport at Kitty Hawk.
I can go either way but I think we should pick a destination that would draw
the most people. Shall we put it to a vote?
I'm personally leaning towards Kitty Hawk. Seems like the kind of pilgrimage that
every pilot should take sooner or later.
As for a date: How about the first weekend of Oct? Columbus Day makes it a long
weekend. Also, I got word from a couple of people who are interested but can't
make it any sooner.
Oh.. I've been corresponding with Mr. John King himself and he expressed an interest
in Kitty Hawk. Let's start an email campain and see if we can tear him away
from that boat he's building :-).
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Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | EAST COAST FLY-IN |
Ray,
That is a great site and a beautiful airfields, I am jealous.
John Oakley
Speedster 4 short wing and long
912ul
cap
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAY Gignac
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 5:32 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: EAST COAST FLY-IN
I am happy that there is an intrest in the east coast fly-in! I have
made a suggestion that we all meet at Campbell Field Airport on VA's eastern
shore. This is a grass roots airport made for the Kitfox. Two grass fields
and lots of great flying on the eastern shore. Here is the link to the
airport I hope Kitfoxers take a look. By the way if you scroll down you
will see my Fox taking off and in a nice bank!!
http://www.campbellfieldairport.com/
Ray
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| Subject: | Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
I have about 20 hours on my model 4 1200 now. The last time I flew it was not running
the best. When out to fly last night and it would not run without the choke
at all. Pulled the carbs off and there is a thick amber residue lining the
intake and the inside of the carbs. The engine is not new and I never have seen
this before. It was not there 20hours ago. It seems the fuel has something
in it doing this. Any help in figuring out what it is would help.
--------
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Model 4 speedster 912
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
sounds like varnish. How long ago was the last time you flew it or ran it?
--------
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
Just a bit of a guess, but are you running gas with ethonal (alcohol) in
your fiberglass tanks? If so, perhaps the tanks are disolveing. ???
Alcoho will melt some fiberglass resins. Jim Chuk Avid/Jab
>From: "Giovanni Day" <thedays@mchsi.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200
>Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:08:22 -0700
>
>
>I have about 20 hours on my model 4 1200 now. The last time I flew it was
>not running the best. When out to fly last night and it would not run
>without the choke at all. Pulled the carbs off and there is a thick amber
>residue lining the intake and the inside of the carbs. The engine is not
>new and I never have seen this before. It was not there 20hours ago. It
>seems the fuel has something in it doing this. Any help in figuring out
>what it is would help.
>
>--------
>_______________________________________
>Giovanni Day
>Model 4 speedster 912
>
>
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| Subject: | Re Kitfox-List:: South East Kitfox Owners |
Hey Luis,
34A would make a nice Saturday there and back trip.
I don't think I could reasonably x-country to FFA from Atlanta with a
582, but I could trailer it. I'm from Greenville, NC, and have wanted
an excuse to haul my plane up there and fly around the home patch.
There are a couple of grass strips in the area where I might be able to
trailer into. A beach landing would be the excuse I need to put on
those KingFox tires.
Hey Ken,
How do you get from EWN to FFA? The area is sewn up with Restricted
airspaces.
Flying up the coast from Wilmington looks fun but there's R-5306D with
no way to go around it. Looking it up on sua.faa.gov says it operates
24/7 from the surface up. But I do see a private airport on a golf
course in that space so there must be some method of flying through. Do
you know the procedure?
Cheers,
Mark Napier
Time: 07:04:12 AM PST US
Subject: Re Kitfox-List:: South East Kitfox Owners
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Kem Dunnebacke wrote:
> Morning, i read that there is interest in a Kitty Hawk fly in? I am
Based at
Bayboro NC and know there area it is in route for Kitty Hawk. 10 mls
west is EWN,
class D, fuel, car,logging........LETS GO its a ocean flight with many
wonderful
views, OBX is on the way with a phone call we get also get fuel.a great
place for brunch! i can have local EAA help if needed, i would be glad
to help
organize incoming pilots. info:252-638-5828 h 252-229-8200 cell
> Kem Dunnebacke N3163K kitfoxivplay@gmail.com
Whoohoo! Lots of great suggestions. No matter what happens, it's already
raised
my spirits just to have this many people respond. So far, I count seven
interested
pilots and almost as many suggested destinations :-). They all sound
interesting
but Kitty Hawk is one that really stands out for me. The thought of
a flock of Kitfoxes gathering at the birthplace of aviation gets my
heart pumping.
What do you say guys? Shall we make it Kitty Hawk?
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Instruments |
hi sir its kent westberg from minnesota I am building a kitfox 3 and I want to
buy the instruments from you???what sixe holes are needed???? thanks are thay
for a rotax 582
Jimmie Blackwell <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com> wrote: I have several
instruments that some of the new builders may need. All are new and still in
the original boxes. If interested email me direct at jimmieblackwell@austin.rr.com
or call me at 512 695-6627. Each instrument has the appropriate connectors,
panel attaching hardware, sensors and senders.
Following are the instruments:
Dual oil temperature and pressure by Westberg, includes sensors and sendors.
Cylinder Head temperature by Westberg, includes sendor.
Fuel level by Westberg.
Air Path Compass
Airspeed indicator, 0-120mph, by Airwolf
Altimeter
Prefer to sell them altogether. To buy them from Spruce and Air Wolf would cost
over $800. I will take $500 for all them and pay for shipping.
Be happy to talk to anyone interested.
Thank you.
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
To check for the tanks coming apart you can do a check of the tanks by draining
some fuel out the check valves at the bottom of the tank, you can also take a
flash light and look inside the tank and slosh the tanks around. My guess is
that the fuel is real old. Take a rubber hose about 3/8 size and about 4 ft
long and shove it down in the tank and then take a straight razor blade and put
a small cut in the end and then use compressed air and shot some into the crack
you made to cause a siphon then let it drain into a tank and either throw
it away or put it in your vehicle. Then put some fresh 89 octain fuel in. I find
89 to run the best in mine.
After all this take and buy some brake cleaner in a can, remove the bowls and take
apart each circuit, there are three, and force the brake fluid through each,
the one right in front of the main jets are the most important, this has a
circuit for air bleed that goes right to the intake of the carb, it has a really
tiny hole, remove the filter so that you can see the brake fluid coming out
the hole, chase it with compressed air afterwards. Don't neglect doing this,
I know about the bings doing this, mine did this same exact thing. It's also
important to have good hoses, fuel injection hose for in the engine compartment
and the blue bing hose from the tanks to the firewall.
hope this helps
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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Hi Steve
I purchased the nose wheel conversion from John & Debra McBean
At www.kitfoxaircraft.com
I am coming up with my own system for steering -- want better control
Than I get from "taping" the brakes. Should be operable within a couple
Of weeks so will know then if it is an improvement.
I'm not much for typing --- give me a call or send me your phone number
Off list --- I don't known if anyone else has converted an existing tail
wheel
To a Tri-Gear, it went better than anticipated.
Barry, New Hampshire 603-539-5569
Model IV - 1200, 912UL
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
steve@newcap.net
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Nose Wheel
I would like to change my Classic IV from a taildragger to tricycle, does
anyone know where I can get a steerable nose wheel that is suitable?
Thx,
Steve
Baldwin, ON Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Followup |
kitfoxmike sez:
>...He may have future problems with the FAA, maybe a check ride. He
>will have withdrawls, he WILL have problems with getting back in the
>saddle, his wife will have problems of this kind as well...Many
>people come back and bash you as a pilot, not fun either.
I think that each of us who have survived a crash have had different
experiences, so there's no way to know how Lowell and his wife will
come through this. None of these things happened after my accident
yet I experienced a host of other issues you didn't mention.
I do share your hope that they will come through this well.
Mike G.
List Co-moderator
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | voltage regulator |
I came across this problem and finally found the fix and thought I would share
my fix. I always had noise in my headsets and had a problem with the temp guage
for the water, oil and cylinder head always went higher when the strobes where
on and if the charging system was on. I had noise in the headsets from the
charging system, varied when the throttle was changed. I got into my wire diagram
from the repair manual and found that the guages were grounded at the regulator
case. I went and pulled the cowling and looked at this point of connection,
and yes the ground for the guages were at the case of the regulator, then
I looked at the install of the regulator, the clamps to hold the regulator
had rubber insulation, now how can this have a ground. I made up a wire and
connected it to the case and to the ground block that went direct to the battery
negative. Walla, a problem that I always had with this airplane was gone,
way cool. No more noise in the headsets, the guages run consistant, no over reading.
I've also noticed that the charging system works all the time, I also
had trouble with the charging system cutting out.
hope this helps somebody.
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model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Followup |
Ok, forget the ones I brought up, those were mine. The thing is, he will have
some post crash issues and we all need to be sensitive to what they may be, give
Lowell al the support that we can, what ever it might be.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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| Subject: | Re: South East Kitfox Owners |
Yup, it's me alright...quick, hide the women and children!
My friend down there has a friend who lives nearby, right on a
private strip called Eastover...a fly-in residential park. I flew
radio controlled planes there one summer day while visiting. It is
located just under the outer ring of Fayetteville Reg'l, to the
northeast. That is where I will park the plane when I visit the
F'ville area. That aside, keep doing the planning and I'll go along
with whatever is voted upon.
Maybe we could all pitch in and finish John's boat so he'd have more
time to fly. : )
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/395+ hrs
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On Aug 31, 2007, at 9:19 AM, wingnut wrote:
>
>
>> I've got a friend who lives in Fayetteville, NC, and I'll be visiting
>> him sometime, so I'd join up with you folks if you don't mind a
>> Northerner infiltrating the ranks. : )
>
>
> Holy cow! It's the infamous Lynn Matteson. There goes the
> neighborhood! That would be awesome Lynn.
>
> Well it looks like we certainly have enough interest now we need to
> pick a place and a time. At the moment, I see two alternatives that
> look really interesting. Campbell Field Airport on VA's eastern and
> First Flight Airport at Kitty Hawk. I can go either way but I think
> we should pick a destination that would draw the most people. Shall
> we put it to a vote?
>
> I'm personally leaning towards Kitty Hawk. Seems like the kind of
> pilgrimage that every pilot should take sooner or later.
>
> As for a date: How about the first weekend of Oct? Columbus Day
> makes it a long weekend. Also, I got word from a couple of people
> who are interested but can't make it any sooner.
>
> Oh.. I've been corresponding with Mr. John King himself and he
> expressed an interest in Kitty Hawk. Let's start an email campain
> and see if we can tear him away from that boat he's building :-).
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
The plane has not sat and the fuel is not old. Some one has suggested that the
MTEB is melting the tank. Is there a coating I can put in it?
Giovanni
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| Subject: | East Coast Fly-In |
Ok Guys and Gals,
I'm in, lets get this organized! sounds like a whole bunch if interest,
and I did not know we had so many Foxes on the east coast area. I would
look forward to meeting all of you, and keeping this event an on-going
fly-In. What would really be nice to do, would be to organize our own
Kitfox club like the Desert Fox Sq! patches, T-shirts, hats and just plain
fly-in around.
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
I would like to add a note on the fix for my carb problems. It was the air filters.
What I found happening was the filters started coming apart, yup the little
fibers went right into the air bleed that I talked about for the mid range.
I had K&N filters. I bought new ones, they ended up being the bigger ones.
I also bought the charge system for them also, I think I need to do it because
the redness is going away from the bottom of the filters, after this weekends
flyin at homedale I plan on doing them.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
I use KN filters also, everytime I clean my filters, I use the re-charge kit
and re-coat them with the red spay after they have dried.
Ray
>From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200
>Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:56:38 -0700
>
>
>I would like to add a note on the fix for my carb problems. It was the air
>filters. What I found happening was the filters started coming apart, yup
>the little fibers went right into the air bleed that I talked about for the
>mid range. I had K&N filters. I bought new ones, they ended up being the
>bigger ones. I also bought the charge system for them also, I think I need
>to do it because the redness is going away from the bottom of the filters,
>after this weekends flyin at homedale I plan on doing them.
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>building
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
That's what I plan on doing with mine, use the recharge kit. What happened to
my old ones is brake cleaner got on them and litteraly distroyed them. Make sure
and remove the filter before cleaning the carbs.
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| Subject: | Re: voltage regulator |
At 09:21 AM 8/31/2007, you wrote:
>No more noise in the headsets, the guages!
> run consistant, no over reading. I've also noticed that the
> charging system works all the time, I also had trouble with the
> charging system cutting out.
Thanks for this Mike. I've got my regulator case grounded
via the airframe but a direct ground to the grounding block might be
a lot better.
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
I went out with some carb cleaner from wally world and it took the stuff right
off. Took the bowls off and clean the carbs with it realy good. It was not hard
to get them clean at all. Makes me wonder if it is really the tanks. I will
see if the inside of the tanks feel gooey.
One note: There is no residue or fibers in the gascolator.
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
make sure you unscrew the jets inside and force the carb cleaner through the opening.
You have to get a small screwdriver in there and unscrew it, it has an
oring and a long tube with a hole on the end and several holes on the side, I
haven't seen that plug up but the inside of the carb that goes to the opening
of the carb sure does. Put the plastic extension on the carb can and stick it
up the opening and fire away until it comes out the little opening at the opening
of the carb.
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
I guess if I run 100LL that this might solve the problem. No ethanol or MTBE correct??
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| Subject: | Re: South East Kitfox Owners |
Wow. I just combed through all the replies since my original queries and we have
close to a dozen pilots interested. There are a couple more that responded directly
to my home email that I dont have in front of me at the moment but heres
the first cut at a list:
Steve Bennett, Durham, NC, Sbennett3@aol.com
Steve Shinabery, Lake St.Marys, OH, shinco@bright.net
Travis, Roxboro, NC, tc9008@aol.com
Ray Gignac, Mitchellville, Md, kitfoxpilot@msn.com
Kem Dunnebacke, Bayboro, NC, kitfoxivplay@gmail.com
Luis Rodriguez, Greeville, SC, wingnut@spamarrest.com
Jim Cantrell, Hodges, Alabama, Rotec, jcant1@hughes.net
Lynn Matteson , Grass Lake, MI, lynnmatt@jps.net
Mark Napier, Atlanta, GA, Mark.Napier@sciatl.com
John King, Warrenton, VA, kingjohn1@comcast.net
As Ive posted, I currently see two viable alternatives for a location for the gathering
(please see previous post). Would everyone on the list above please
chime in with their own preference? Also, would anyone that is interested that
is not on the list please chime in with their email address?
We also have to pick a date. Since no one else has mentioned a firmed date yet,
Ill kick it off with suggesting Oct 8th. Its far enough away that it will include
some people that would not be able to attend otherwise while soon enough
that we can start making firm commitments.
Finally, should we take this off this discussion off the Matronics list to avoid
clogging the in boxes of people who are not interested?
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Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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My model 2 "floats" quite a bit on landing. Part of this is a characteristic of
the model, or so I've heard, and part I suspect is high idle (beat to death in
another thread). This morning I tried repeatedly (no joy) to land on a short
farm field, tall trees on both ends.
I used what I know about short field technique: came in low on back side of power
curve. Clear of obstacles, slip, chop, drop and flare. But still she floats.
On touch down, tall trees on far end aren't so far anymore, so power up and
climb out. Brakes might have done it, or nosed us over into the stump fence.
This is what I have a Kitfox for and I gotta say, I'm frustrated. Practicing
at the airport is not the same thing. I'm working on the idle speed. But is there
something I'm missing on short field technique in this airplane? Like tossing
out an anchor maybe? ;-)
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
100LL can bring its own set of problems with lead build up. Special provisions
are required with a straight diet of 100LL
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Flying a Maule in AK doing charter work, I found that about one wingspan
above the ground is a good place to start reducing airspeed to Vso, get the
power reduced, get the ground speed down, and it didn't want to float
anymore.
Can't say that technique will work in a Kitfox as well as it does in a
maule, but I operated out of several strips on gravel bars in the rivers
that were fron 500- 800 ft. in length on wheels.
John Hart.
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Marco Menezes
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 2:16 PM
To: Matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: landing short
My model 2 "floats" quite a bit on landing. Part of this is a
characteristic of the model, or so I've heard, and part I suspect is high
idle (beat to death in another thread). This morning I tried repeatedly (no
joy) to land on a short farm field, tall trees on both ends.
I used what I know about short field technique: came in low on back side
of power curve. Clear of obstacles, slip, chop, drop and flare. But still
she floats. On touch down, tall trees on far end aren't so far anymore, so
power up and climb out. Brakes might have done it, or nosed us over into the
stump fence.
This is what I have a Kitfox for and I gotta say, I'm frustrated.
Practicing at the airport is not the same thing. I'm working on the idle
speed. But is there something I'm missing on short field technique in this
airplane? Like tossing out an anchor maybe? ;-)
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: landing short |
Not sure this will help, but are the trees just on the ends or are the sides got
them as well. The reason I state this is maybe you can come in on the side
and then straighten out over the runway. How I do this task is I come in low and
rudder turn, meaning I keep the wings flat, no bank, you have to cross control,
the fox, at least mine does this very well, makes it so you can thread a
needle so to speak, and it's very fun. Really freaks people on the ground. Best
thing you can do is get the idle down as low as possible, mine is about 1000rpm,
I don't run it that low, I mainly use it for short landings and shut down.
My fox, can land (stop and go)and take off within 500ft. did a couple of
these yesterday.
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| Subject: | Re: landing short |
> I used what I know about short field technique: came in low on back side of power
curve. Clear of obstacles, slip, chop, drop and flare. But still she floats.
Interesting. I do the complete opposite when I'm trying to land short. I come in
high and slow with no power. Once I have a stable rate of descent at minimum
safe air speed, I adjust my rate of descent with slip or a smidgen of power
as needed. I was taught that speed control is critical when it comes to short
field landings. To land really short, you have to be slower than the traditional
1.4X your stall speed. Naturallly, skill is the big limiting factor with how
close you can safely get to your stall speed. I personally don't feel that
I have good enough speed control yet to get slower than 1.3x safely.
Seems to me that if you're comming in low then you're either using a lot of power
to flatten your descent or your comming in too fast. If you're comming in to
fast then landing short is going to be real hard. If you're using a lot of power
then you're really asking for it. If your motor coughs on approach then you're
going to be SOL in a hurry.
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Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
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| Subject: | Re: landing short |
luis,
I agree all the way, you need to be slooow. When I land short I stall it on the
runway. meaning, I have a really slow speed, I also find that the fox doesn't
like to have a steep glide path, meaning a flater approach is prefered. If
you can't come in flat than you better be able to slip, and with full rudder.
When down on the runway level out a couple feet off and start pulling the elevator
back until it stalls and you drop, with my idle as low as it goes, I generally
have it all the way back until I start to induce the stall, than I put
in just enough to bring in normal idle, don't want the engine to quit or have
problems if I need to do a go around. Once the aircraft stalls or quits flying
she drops onto the runway, I don't care if it puts out a little jult, I want
to be down and stopped as quick as possible.
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| Subject: | Re: landing short |
In the kitfox you pull thye nose up to slow down and yes my model 2 lands very
short then but if i push the nose over and fly like all the othere planes then
i float long .
Good luck and practice makes for perfect landings.
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John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
582 cbox 2:62-1 IVO IFA
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| Subject: | Re: landing short |
> When I land short I stall it on the runway. meaning, I have a really slow speed,
I also find that the fox doesn't like to have a steep glide path, meaning
a flater approach is prefered.
Perhapse it would be usefull to define "flat" in this context. My setup for a short
field approach is 50mph IAS and about 600ft/min rate of descent. In this
configuration, my sight picture of the runway on final is way higher than what
I got used to flying a 172 and I'm heading right for the numbers (no slip necissary).
Is this what you call flat? Are you using power to get your descent flatter
or are you comming faster? Has to be one or the other right?
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Rotax 912UL
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
Giovanni, if the amber coating is on the inlets to the carbs it must have
come from the filters or through the filters.
Barry West
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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:59 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200
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> I guess if I run 100LL that this might solve the problem. No ethanol or
> MTBE correct??
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
Good point. It is just like medicine. I feel at this point though I want to trade
the tank cancer for a the manageable clogging of the arteries. Unless someone
has a better solution to fix the tank cancer.
I will be sure to run conventional oil and change it more frequently. What else
do I need to do to run 100LL on the 912? Thanks for all the good comments.
I checked my fuel source. They have stopped MTBE and started ethanol. Seems tanks
with vinyl ester resins have less trouble. Maybe I could give my tanks a coat
of it?
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| Subject: | Re: landing short |
I had issues when I first started flying johns KF II (eskflyer) I would try the
same thing you do, come in high, slip then flare and I would float. I was taught
early on that the elevator controls speed, power controls rate of desent.
If you slow it up nose high it will fall out of the sky, and you dont have
and speed to bleed off once in ground effect. you use the power to control the
rate of desent. I would bring it in slow and hit a little burst of power about
10' off and that will arrest the sink rate, but not make you float. The down
side to this is, if your engine burbles or dies, you are gonna be doing some
tubing work, and probably need to go to the store and get a new pair of shorts.
If you want to get in short, I dont bother looking at the pannel, by this
time you should have a solid feel for your plane, and be able to fly the approach
strictly by feel, not by a certain number.
I am sure that there are those who will argue and call it unsafe to not know the
exact speed you are flying, however, if you are really wanting to be a bush
pilot, and get in and out short, you have to really know your plane and forgive
me for sounding corny, become one with it. I have only flown one KF so far,
but it gives lots of warning before it will actually break in a stall... you
really need to go to altitude and practice flying high alpha at minimum controlable
airspeeds. Anytime you slip or push the nose over to come in over and obstacle,
you gain speed if you are not doing it correctly. That excess speed
turns to float when you hit ground effect.
Look for a DVD called "big rocks and long props" This will show you a couple guys
that really know their machines as well as tell you the techniques they use.
Are there any other fields around? You dont want to go from a 6,500' blacktop
runway, to a 200' strip. you have to work yourself up the short field and get
comfortable getting in shorter and shorter till you get to the point that a 200'
strip looks huge to you. And you are right, you cant get the feel for it
on the regular runway. You can get the technique down, but not the true feel.
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Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
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| Subject: | Re: landing short |
On Aug 31, 2007, at 9:16 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> My model 2 "floats" quite a bit on landing.
This brings back a memory of many years ago, long before the Kitfox was
conceived. At that time, I purchased a radio-controlled model glider.
I had only two servos and, building it, I was already thinking of a
third one that could be use for the ailerons. But as soon as I started
flying it, only on rudder and elevator, I realised that a third servo
would do much better as a air brake. That glider would never land where
I wanted to but floated and floated and I had to walk and walk to fetch
it up.
This being said, although I fly from a long asphalt runway, I always
try to land as short as possible. Short field technique can become
handy when least expected. I don't know what is the best technique. I
try to feel and know my plane. But my landings are still far from being
good. Each flight is a new experience and something new learnt. But
that's the fun of flying, isn't it?
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: landing short |
Landing flat. I'll try to explain. Now understand, I have about 3000 touch and
go's this year. I did about 30 this morning. The last thing I want to do is
the same thing over and over, I try to mix up the landings and try something
new so to speak. I find the fox will land just like a cessna if that's what
you want, but getting to be one with the fox is really what you want. I generally
look at the airspeed indicator once on landing, usually about 1000 ft out
from touch down, if it's around 70 I do something about it, if I have a base
to final to do, I put a 60degree bank in there to slow it down, no power, by
the time I come out of the turn, generally about 20ft off, my speed feels just
about right. Now for the flat thing. When you're coming in and you have a vasi
light set up, you get white and red for being on track, with a flat landing
you come in with all reds at the 1000ft out and still land on the numbers.
If things are a little to close then you keep the elevator the same and add power
to stop the decent. once a couple ft. off and on the numbers, pull the power
and let it land itself, basically. Don't be afraid to let the tail hit first,
it can happen.
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
Well, the other thing to do is put in tcb. I think that's what it's called. Some
marvel mystery. Last but not least. do a decarbin of the engine on a frequent
basis. You will have a white coating on the exhaust valves, just remove
the muffler system and take a looksy after using 100ll.
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| Subject: | Re: landing short |
> Now for the flat thing. When you're coming in and you have a vasi light set
up, you get white and red for being on track, with a flat landing you come in
with all reds at the 1000ft out and still land on the numbers. If things are a
little to close then you keep the elevator the same and add power to stop the
decent.
Yup. That's what I'd call flat too. I generally see white/white when I come out
of my base to final turn and I only see white/red briefly around short final
before it goes red/red. At this point, I'm nose high, the ground is coming up
fast and I'm repeating to my self "don't pull up stupid, don't pull up stupid".
Just before touch down, I feed in a smidgen of power and smoothly pull the stick
into my lap. If I did it right, I get a little squeak from the tires and
she sticks. If I pull up too soon, she stalls high and I get a good plop but she
still sticks. If I'm just a little bit too fast or if I added too much throttle,
she'll bounce down the runway like a porpoise and I'm thinking "keep the
stick back, keep the stick back".. gosh.. all this talk about flying gives me
the urge but I have chores to do when I get home :-(
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Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Followup |
Hi Friends,
This is the kind of messages I'll never wanted to see on the Kitfox list..
I'm very sorry for this accident, and I hope that Kay and Lowell will heel
and recover fast.
Torgeir.
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:13:06 +0200, jdmcbean <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
wrote:
> <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
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> Just a quick follow-up
>
> Lowell & Kay are fine.. Lowell will share more details a little later....
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
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> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:56 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
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> <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
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> I have tried to contact Lowell and Kay directly.. Have not heard
> anything as
> of yet...
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
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> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of royall merill
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:36 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
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>
> Listers:
>
> I just got this from the Sacramento Bee website:
>
> Small plane crash injures two in Placerville
> By Niesha Lofing - Bee Staff Writer
> Last Updated 9:24 am PDT Thursday, August 30, 2007
>
>
> A small plane has crashed in Placerville near the El Dorado campus of
> Folsom Lake College, injuring two Cameron Park residents on board.
>
> The experimental plane took off at 6:15 a.m. and was headed for Idaho,
> said El Dorado County Sheriff's deputy Phil Chovanec. It went down about
> 15 minutes later on private property on Greenwood Lane, just north of
> Green Valley Road, said El Dorado County Sheriff's Lt. Kevin House.
>
> The man and woman, whose names were not released, were taken to area
> hospital, where they are listed in stable condition. Both are conscious
> and are being treated for moderate injuries.
>
> The FAA identified the aircraft as N96KL owned by Lowell Fitt of Cameron
> Park. In my initial post I said this happened yesterday, but I
> now,believe it happened this morning. It has not hit the FAA Preliminary
> Accident data yet.
>
> Royal
>
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> 8:21 PM
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> 8:21 PM
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> 8:21 PM
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> 8:21 PM
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--
Torgeir
Kitfox Model II, 1993
Engine: Rotax 532 with B gearbox
Propeller: IVO UL 366Q
Tromsoe
NORWAY.
Weather in Tromso right now:
http://met.no/troms/index.html
City map of Tromso:
http://www.avinor.no/English/Airports/Tromso_Airport/?module=Articles;action=ArticleFolder.publicOpenFolder;ID=1453
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| Subject: | Re: landing short |
Yup, doing the same for me, but it's not the chores that's getting me right now,
it's low ceiling and winds over 25, you get the picture, thunderstorms. They
should be gone by midnight and nice for departure tomorrow morning bright and
early. heading, Idaho. Way cool. yepppi.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: South East Kitfox Owners |
Ken pointed out that I goofed with the date. Oct 8th is a Monday. It's Columbus
day thus a holiday and why I was thinking of this particular weekend but I'm
guessing that Saturday, Oct 6, will work better.
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Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Flyin Tomorrow Pelee Island |
Should be a few Kitoxes flying to Pelee tomorrow ,
Shooting for 8 to 9 am arrival at least 3 amphibs and a landplane so far traveling
together.
weather CAVOK ?
Will be on 123.45 or 123.475 enroute past London CYXU and likely along or off
shore from Rondeua west to Pelee .
September 1, Pelee Island, ON: N41 46 50 W82 40 42 - 3300 Asphalt. No landing fees, Breakfast Fly-in, 8:30 a.m. 11:30 a.m. Eggs, Bacon, Pancakes, Juice & Coffee $6.00, $4.00 for children. All proceeds will be used to support the airport & infrastructure. Spend the day: Guided bus tours, Bicycle rental, Taxi service, Nature trails, beaches & fishing, Winery pavilion & tours & Restaurants & shops. Stay the night: Under wing camping, campfire, live music and off airport camping, Bed & Breakfasts, cottage rental. For details regarding points of interest, activities & accommodation see: www.pelee.org or www.pelee.com or contact Dave Hodare Airport Manager at 519-965-6283. Rain date will be the Sunday.
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Followup |
Interesting video on the 2nd crash!
http://fox40.trb.com/
Scott
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n85ae
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:49 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Crash Followup
The description of the wreckage sounds bad.
http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/352034.html
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Dont know if this will fit the IV
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Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Landing Short Videos |
There are about 20 videos here of My Kitfox flying on wheels , Skis and floats,
short takeoff and landing now biggie for a Kitfox .
http://www.cfisher.com/ You tube link shows them there .
If I get response I will add more to you tube -- I have logged over 100 hours of
float time alone in last few months and got some good clips.
Email me as I do not read this forum much.
There are a few Deadstick clips there for those of you that like to practice for
real time engine outs.
Best Regards,
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
MTBE won't do that but ethanol sure will!
Noel
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> The plane has not sat and the fuel is not old. Some one has
> suggested that the MTEB is melting the tank. Is there a
> coating I can put in it?
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
True but you may have to change your plugs more often. If you can get
ethanol clean MOGAS ( wash the eth out with water) you can mix that with
100LL, around 50:50 and make a good fuel. Don't forget the lead can plate
out on the roller bearings of your crankshaft on a two stroke engine.
Noel
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> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
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> I guess if I run 100LL that this might solve the problem. No
> ethanol or MTBE correct??
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Short Videos |
dave, we need more float flying vids!
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
I had not thought about MOGAS. If it has no MTBE or Ethanol I can use it. I guess
the real question it how long it will be available.
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Short Videos |
I for one have thoroughly enjoyed the videos..keep 'em coming.
Thanks
Steve
On Aug 31, 2007, at 4:56 PM, dave wrote:
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> There are about 20 videos here of My Kitfox flying on wheels , Skis
> and floats, short takeoff and landing now biggie for a Kitfox .
> http://www.cfisher.com/ You tube link shows them there .
>
> If I get response I will add more to you tube -- I have logged over
> 100 hours of float time alone in last few months and got some good
> clips.
> Email me as I do not read this forum much.
>
> There are a few Deadstick clips there for those of you that like to
> practice for real time engine outs.
>
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> Best Regards,
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| Subject: | landing short - Lift Reserve |
Marco asked:
But is there something I'm missing on short field technique in this
airplane? Like tossing out an anchor maybe? ;-)
Well I like the anchor, but there is something else I can suggest.
I am a relatively low time pilot with about 300 hours - 180 in my fox. I
recently added this instrument and really like the thing.
If I were limited to only one instrument on my panel (see the three below),
I would go with this one. It is more important than the airspeed or
altimeter. I haven't used it very long and already trust it much more than
airspeed. Landing airspeed varies depending upon loading and density
altitude. But it is always the same place on the lift reserve gauge. Ditto
for Vx, and Vy. This gauge is really neat.
My field is at 4400' and I often visit a field at about 5900'. My field is
about 2000' long but with 80' trees on each end. (yeah, Yeah, - chainsaw I
know.) This thing gives me much more confidence just knowing where the
plane is. When you hit the red, it stalls. - If you are landing. - Or if
you in a high G turn. - Or if you are climbing out loaded heavier than you
should be. It works! I can climb out at a ridiculous angle now with
confidence! I know how much reserve lift I have at all times,
Cruise has the needle pegged to the right. As you slow to land the needle
gets active.
It doesn't use electricity. It backs up other instruments. It has no moving
parts - if you don't count the needle in the gauge. I think everyone should
have one.
It would be easier to install prior to covering the wing, but since I have
removable wing tips, it wasn't too bad.
I think everyone should have one. It will make anyone a better pilot. It
will certainly help you land shorter. I just get into the yellow coming
over the trees and I get stopped using less than half the runway.
Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH
Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip
Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
I think MTBE is gone. The phase out started several years ago only
to be replaced by ethanol. To bad because MTBE was not a concern. The
fuel companies once forecast that straight MTBE would be used to
replace 100LL. Unleaded gas without MTBE or Ethanol for your car is
available, but must be purchased out side the EPA control areas. Like
here in CO once you leave the Denver & Colo Spr populated areas you
can find it. Here in S CO we get good gas. but it has low octane due
to altitude.
Question: If you buy Mogas at the airport is it free if ethanol?
Paul
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At 06:59 PM 8/31/2007, you wrote:
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>I had not thought about MOGAS. If it has no MTBE or Ethanol I can
>use it. I guess the real question it how long it will be available.
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>Model 4 speedster 912
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
I realy doubt that MOGAS is ethanol free. I will find out in the next few days.
Are new kitfox kits with poly tanks or still fiberglass? Does someone make poly
tanks to replace mine? Thanks again..
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Giovanni Day
Model 4 speedster 912
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
>From what I've read it's true the vinyl-ester resins are more resistant
to
ethanol contamination. A couple of questions are; How resistant? and
What
does Ethanol do to the seals in your fuel system.
About the only thing around that is more corrosive than Ethanol is
Methanol
and I think we are splitting hairs there. Best thing to do is not to
use
fuel contaminated with Ethanol. There are other reasons which I don't
want
to go into here. Its enough to say the alcohol and flying are not good
mates.
Now!
The good news is...
There is a guy on the Avid list who lives in, as he calls it, La La
land.
He has been successfully flying on Ethanol contaminated fuel for years
by
pre-mixing the fuel for his two stroke Rotax engine. Apparently the oil
protects the tanks from the effects of Ethanol. A while ago he
installed a
Jab. I understand he has been using a bit of oil, I'm not sure about
the
concentration, in his gas and has had no problems with Ethanol having
lunch
on his tanks.
Pre mixing contaminated gasoline with oil can lead to separation of the
oil
from the gas. Definitely not good! I think (not sure) this will only
happen at lower temperatures. It is something to consider.
There is at least one company out there today that makes retro-fit
rotary
moulded tanks that are resistant to the effects of Ethanol. Just
another
idea for you to check out.
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Giovanni Day
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 5:54 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200
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> Good point. It is just like medicine. I feel at this point
> though I want to trade the tank cancer for a the manageable
> clogging of the arteries. Unless someone has a better
> solution to fix the tank cancer.
>
> I will be sure to run conventional oil and change it more
> frequently. What else do I need to do to run 100LL on the
> 912? Thanks for all the good comments.
>
> I checked my fuel source. They have stopped MTBE and started
> ethanol. Seems tanks with vinyl ester resins have less
> trouble. Maybe I could give my tanks a coat of it?
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> Model 4 speedster 912
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
Not Poly but Aflac resin fiberglass. That is the same resin used for
underground tanks at the gas station. Should work fine for the plane.
Our tank troubles are with the vintage glass tanks. Don't remember
when the switch was made but is was done by Frank at Skystar.
Paul
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At 07:51 PM 8/31/2007, you wrote:
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>I realy doubt that MOGAS is ethanol free. I will find out in the
>next few days. Are new kitfox kits with poly tanks or still
>fiberglass? Does someone make poly tanks to replace mine? Thanks again..
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>Giovanni Day
>Model 4 speedster 912
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
The MTBE isn't the culprit. It is a carcinogen, or that's the word but it
doesn't have the appetite for water or resin that alcohols have.
Aviation fuels use a lead additive. Where every you buy your 100LL you will
be getting the exact same stuff.... MOGAS, the only thing you can say is it
is flammable. If you do use LL in your 912 make sure you are using a
mineral oil in the base of the engine. Synthetic oils hate the lead and
take their dislike out on your engine.
Noel
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> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Giovanni Day
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 10:30 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200
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> I had not thought about MOGAS. If it has no MTBE or Ethanol I
> can use it. I guess the real question it how long it will be
> available.
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> Model 4 speedster 912
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
Politicians for farming areas are pushing for the alcohol to replace
MTBE.
It's still available in several areas certainly North of the 49th. But
even
in out fair land politics is going to contaminate the gas supply.
One would expect that MOGAS sold at an airport would be free of alcohol.
The dangers of alcohol as associated with flight are well known.
Selling
poisoned gas at an aerodrome, to me, should be considered a felony.
People
associated with selling fuel at airports are not as un informed as the
general public on the effects of the fuel they sell but we can't forget
the
politics that have inflicted us with this Ethanol fiasco in the first
place.
It never ceases to amaze me that some elected cretins on both sides of
the
border actually think that ethanol is clean. Then why would they want
to
know the truth... They're buying votes with hooch, a time honoured
pastime!
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> paul wilson
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:07 PM
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> I think MTBE is gone. The phase out started several years ago only
> to be replaced by ethanol. To bad because MTBE was not a concern. The
> fuel companies once forecast that straight MTBE would be used to
> replace 100LL. Unleaded gas without MTBE or Ethanol for your car is
> available, but must be purchased out side the EPA control areas. Like
> here in CO once you leave the Denver & Colo Spr populated areas you
> can find it. Here in S CO we get good gas. but it has low octane due
> to altitude.
>
> Question: If you buy Mogas at the airport is it free if ethanol?
> Paul
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> At 06:59 PM 8/31/2007, you wrote:
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> >I had not thought about MOGAS. If it has no MTBE or Ethanol I can
> >use it. I guess the real question it how long it will be available.
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
If you mean Rotax. They have said not problem with alcohol. So if one
uses auto hoses and Al lines that part of the system should be OK. Of
course Sub engines wont care unless one uses non Sub parts.
Paul
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At 07:58 PM 8/31/2007, you wrote:
> From what I've read it's true the vinyl-ester resins are more
> resistant to ethanol contamination. A couple of questions are; How
> resistant? and What does Ethanol do to the seals in your fuel system.
>About the only thing around that is more corrosive than Ethanol is
>Methanol and I think we are splitting hairs there. Best thing to do
>is not to use fuel contaminated with Ethanol. There are other
>reasons which I don't want to go into here. Its enough to say the
>alcohol and flying are not good mates.
>Now!
>The good news is...
>There is a guy on the Avid list who lives in, as he calls it, La La
>land. He has been successfully flying on Ethanol contaminated fuel
>for years by pre-mixing the fuel for his two stroke Rotax
>engine. Apparently the oil protects the tanks from the effects of
>Ethanol. A while ago he installed a Jab. I understand he has been
>using a bit of oil, I'm not sure about the concentration, in his gas
>and has had no problems with Ethanol having lunch on his tanks.
>
>Pre mixing contaminated gasoline with oil can lead to separation of
>the oil from the gas. Definitely not good! I think (not sure) this
>will only happen at lower temperatures. It is something to consider.
>
>There is at least one company out there today that makes retro-fit
>rotary moulded tanks that are resistant to the effects of
>Ethanol. Just another idea for you to check out.
>
>[]
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>
>Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
>Campbellton, Newfoundland,
>Canada
>Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
>Aerocet 1100s
><mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca>noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >
> [<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com>mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of
> > Giovanni Day
> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 5:54 PM
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200
> >
> >
> >
> > Good point. It is just like medicine. I feel at this point
> > though I want to trade the tank cancer for a the manageable
> > clogging of the arteries. Unless someone has a better
> > solution to fix the tank cancer.
> >
> > I will be sure to run conventional oil and change it more
> > frequently. What else do I need to do to run 100LL on the
> > 912? Thanks for all the good comments.
> >
> > I checked my fuel source. They have stopped MTBE and started
> > ethanol. Seems tanks with vinyl ester resins have less
> > trouble. Maybe I could give my tanks a coat of it?
> >
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| Subject: | landing short - Lift Reserve |
Thanks for the tip Randy.
I ordered mine last Monday.
Roger McConnell, Duncan, OK
Model 7 Trigear, Rotax 912uls
Flying sense Jan. 06
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: landing short - Lift Reserve
I think everyone should have one. It will make anyone a better pilot. It
will certainly help you land shorter. I just get into the yellow coming
over the trees and I get stopped using less than half the runway.
Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH
Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip
Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
If this is old news, sorry, but to test for ethanol, get a skinny bottle,
add small amount of water, mark top of water with marker, add about 5 times
more gas than water, shake well and then let sit. No ethenal, and the water
will settle out and end up at the same place as the mark you made. With
ethenal, water level will go up. Jim Chuk Avid Mk IV Jabiru
>From: "Giovanni Day" <thedays@mchsi.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200
>Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:51:16 -0700
>
>
>I realy doubt that MOGAS is ethanol free. I will find out in the next few
>days. Are new kitfox kits with poly tanks or still fiberglass? Does someone
>make poly tanks to replace mine? Thanks again..
>
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>Model 4 speedster 912
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>Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
My sump tool actually has marks on it to test for ETOH and is how I planned on
testing the MOGAS. Thanks for the reminder though.
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Model 4 speedster 912
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Followup |
As much as I hate to say it. What you said includes if Lowell decides not
to fly again. I hope he gets back in the saddle but if he decides not to
then I regretfully have to respect that decision.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kitfoxmike
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:56 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Crash Followup
>
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> <customtrans@qwest.net>
>
> Ok, forget the ones I brought up, those were mine. The thing
> is, he will have some post crash issues and we all need to be
> sensitive to what they may be, give Lowell al the support
> that we can, what ever it might be.
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> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
> building
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> slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
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> then you're not flying enough"
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
Better yet. Up here in Minnesota, we can buy ethenol free gas that is
labled for collector cars, boats and snowmobiles. I do check every once in
a while just to keep them honest. Thanks, Jim Chuk
>From: "Giovanni Day" <thedays@mchsi.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200
>Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:44:45 -0700
>
>
>My sump tool actually has marks on it to test for ETOH and is how I planned
>on testing the MOGAS. Thanks for the reminder though.
>
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>Giovanni Day
>Model 4 speedster 912
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>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132179#132179
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
My next thought was CAM2 race fuel is still available.
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Model 4 speedster 912
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| Subject: | Re: landing short |
At 12:16 PM 8/31/2007, you wrote:
>But is there something I'm missing on short field technique in this
>airplane? Like tossing out an anchor maybe? ;-)
Hi Marco,
Nah, anchors don't work worth a damn on asphalt.
It took me a long time to get a short landing. I use two
methods, both dangerous:
1. Slip all the way to the ground. It's the only way I've found to
increase the drag on a Kitfox. It's kind of like doing a hairy
cross-wind landing every time. You slip like mad until just above the
ground and then kick it straight. I find that if I'm a little fast it
will still float so I prefer:
2. I finally found that if I slowed it to just above stall with full
flaps it would actually start to sink rather than float. I'm talking
about 35 mph indicated on a IV-1200 at about 950#. Yes, this is about
1.05 stall, and is therefore fraught with risk. I don't do it if
there's any chance of even a minor wind shear, and I blip the
throttle all the way down to make sure I've got access to power.
Right before contact you rotate to three point attitude, (there is no
flare,) and give the throttle a good blip to soften the contact;
otherwise you'll hit very hard. Doing this right results in easily
less than 100' of roll, and probably less than 200' over a 50' obstacle.
Practice, but be very careful. Do it on a long field with
plenty of room for error before you try the trees. (If your engine
balks while you're trying your buried field you may end up going
through the trees, rather than over.)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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