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1. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Noel Loveys)
2. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Noel Loveys)
3. 09:13 AM - Re: Lowell Fitt Accident (Michael Gibbs)
4. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: Lowell Fitt Accident (Michel Verheughe)
5. 11:37 AM - Re: Crash Followup (akflyer)
6. 12:23 PM - Re: Aircraft Instruments (Rick)
7. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: Crash Followup (john oakley)
8. 12:46 PM - Re: Flyin Tomorrow Pelee Island (dave)
9. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Crash Followup (Guy Buchanan)
10. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Lowell Fitt Accident (Guy Buchanan)
11. 03:22 PM - Re: Re: Crash Followup (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
12. 04:20 PM - Kitfoxes at Kitty Hawk Oct 6 (wingnut)
13. 06:29 PM - EIS for Sale (Jim Crowder)
14. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Crash Followup (john oakley)
15. 11:01 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
16. 11:02 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
A few points are screaming at me to be made.
Auto hoses are opaque the impulse line on my plane is clear urethane so
I
can see if there is anything combing up the line from the base of the
engine. I have no idea what Ethanol will do to that line or for that
matter
the clear primer lines either.
Ethanol will corrode aluminium. That's one of the reasons truckers
don't
want to transport the stuff. Stainless steel will probably work. Now
who
is it who makes stainless steel carbs???
The seals in your Rotax may be somewhat resistant to Ethanol... can you
say
the same thing for the Mikuni fuel pump???
There are many other issues about allowing Ethanol in the fuel tank of
any
airplane... excluding possibly turbine aircraft. The affinity to water,
a
good thing to have in your fuel system and the effect it has on vapour
lock
and carb ice are just a few items I didn't want to get into here.
Yes it can be done BUT.... not without a reduced safety factor. Save
your
Ethanol for the end of the day! Then consume it with an olive!
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paul wilson
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:53 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200
If you mean Rotax. They have said not problem with alcohol. So if one
uses
auto hoses and Al lines that part of the system should be OK. Of course
Sub
engines wont care unless one uses non Sub parts.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
Just a note the gas that is left on top of the test will have no alcohol in
it. That is the same procedure used to remove alcohol form your gas. The
problem is you also reduce the octane rating of the gas. Now if you could
buy MTBE to bring the octane rating up again...
Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Lowell Fitt Accident |
Lynn sez:
>Very bad news, but WAY better outcome than most plane crashes..I
>hope Lowell and Kay mend real soon.
I don't have the exact figures in front of me, but not long ago I
read that 80% of light airplane accidents don't involve any
fatalities. That would make Lowell's (and mine!) typical accidents
rather than unusual ones. It's airliners that hit the ground hard
enough to make "no survivors" the norm.
I share your sentiments though, Lynn. I hope we hear from Lowell soon.
Mike G.
Kitfox List Co-moderator
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Lowell Fitt Accident |
On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Michael Gibbs wrote:
> It's airliners that hit the ground hard enough to make "no survivors"
> the norm.
I have been wondering about this, Mike. Two planes crashed out of
Cameron Park that day: A Kitfox and a Cherokee. The latter ended in two
fatal casualties. Why?
An impact needs to absorb inertia which is: mass multiplied by speed.
Lesser mass means lesser impact, doesn't it? I read that you have a
better chance to survive a car accident if you have a heavy car.
Perhaps, in some circumstances like a front collision. But isn't it
sometimes an advantage to be light ... very light?
Attending a flight safety conference in Germany, last year, we were
told that light aircraft should rather try to land on tree tops than
attempt to make a sharp manoeuvre to reach an open field, at the risk
of not being able to do it and end in a wall or another hard surface.
Personally, I think that, if the forest is dense enough, a Kitfox would
simply land on the top of the trees and rescue would come with a fire
brigade ladder. I am not sure but I still feel I stand a better chance
to survive a aircraft crash landing if it is a very light one. After
all, a 30 feet wide, 900 pounds heavy object moving at 40 MPH shouldn't
need much to come to a stop.
Incidentally, a Zodiac 601 with a Rotax 912 from our club made an
emergency landing in a field today. The engine stopped after a slow
descent from 4,500 to 1,800 feet. Luckily the pilot was over one of
those few regions of Norway where we have corn fields. After a while on
the ground, the engine could be restarted and the plane flew back home.
The suspected cause: carburettor icing.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Followup |
It was not hard for me to get back in a plane after my crash. I should have been
dead, but I only had a few cuts and bruises. The only thing certain in this
life is that we wont get out alive...Make the best of it and enjoy it to the
fullest while you are here.
I hope Lowell jumps right back in the saddle, but as Noel said, I respect it if
he does not.
Does ANYONE have any info on what happened? Has anyone got an update on Lowell
and his wifes condition?
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Aircraft Instruments |
Kent contact me off list. I have quite a few items you might be
interested in, a lot. I am willing to make you an unbelievable deal just
to clear everything out. From mixer controls to digital EGTs.
Rick
Winchester Ca.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kent
westberg
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aircraft Instruments
hi sir its kent westberg from minnesota I am building a kitfox 3 and I
want to buy the instruments from you???what sixe holes are needed????
thanks are thay for a rotax 582
Jimmie Blackwell <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com> wrote:
I have several instruments that some of the new builders may need. All
are new and still in the original boxes. If interested email me direct
at HYPERLINK
"mailto:jimmieblackwell@austin.rr.com"jimmieblackwell@austin.rr.com or
call me at 512 695-6627. Each instrument has the appropriate connectors,
panel attaching hardware, sensors and senders.
Following are the instruments:
Dual oil temperature and pressure by Westberg, includes sensors and
sendors.
Cylinder Head temperature by Westberg, includes sendor.
Fuel level by Westberg.
Air Path Compass
Airspeed indicator, 0-120mph, by Airwolf
Altimeter
Prefer to sell them altogether. To buy them from Spruce and Air Wolf
would cost over $800. I will take $500 for all them and pay for
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Followup |
I too would like an update on Lowell and his Kay's condition. Does anyone on
the list have any contact with them or seen them? They are to important to
let it slide any longer.
John Oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 12:34 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Crash Followup
It was not hard for me to get back in a plane after my crash. I should have
been dead, but I only had a few cuts and bruises. The only thing certain in
this life is that we wont get out alive...Make the best of it and enjoy it
to the fullest while you are here.
I hope Lowell jumps right back in the saddle, but as Noel said, I respect it
if he does not.
Does ANYONE have any info on what happened? Has anyone got an update on
Lowell and his wifes condition?
--------
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: Flyin Tomorrow Pelee Island |
just back from about 5 hours flight combined today
a few kitfoxes were there and another 50 or so spam cans
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Followup |
At 11:34 AM 9/1/2007, you wrote:
>Does ANYONE have any info on what happened? Has anyone got an
>update on Lowell and his wifes condition?
Hi all,
Since Lowell's condition was fairly satisfactory I was
waiting until he got back on the web to explain. I understand,
though, your concerns so I will pass on what I have received second
hand. (Mark Ferkin talking to Lowell by cell.) I have been unwilling
to pester him by phone since Mark and others have passed on my
solicitations, and right now it appears Lowell does not need
additional assistance.
Lowell crushed a lower back disk and was to go into surgery
yesterday, (Friday,) morning. Otherwise he was in fairly good repair.
He apparently handled the recovery of the airplane himself by phone
and so did not need any assistance from me in that regard. I have not
yet heard the results of the surgery.
His wife Kay apparently gashed her knee bad enough to require some
surgery, (it didn't sound major,) but was otherwise OK.
I will not comment on the accident at all as I'm sure that can wait
until Lowell returns.
As I said, this is second hand, so I hope I have it right. In any
case I believe Lowell will return to us fairly soon to set things straight.
Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Lowell Fitt Accident |
At 10:35 AM 9/1/2007, you wrote:
>An impact needs to absorb inertia which is: mass multiplied by
>speed. Lesser mass means lesser impact, doesn't it? I read that you
>have a better chance to survive a car accident if you have a heavy
>car. Perhaps, in some circumstances like a front collision. But
>isn't it sometimes an advantage to be light ... very light?
Almost Michel. An impact absorbs energy, which in the case
of a moving object is calculated as 1/2 mass times velocity squared.
Obviously a heavy object has more energy to dissipate than a light
object. You, being of constant mass, have the same amount of energy
to dissipate in any crash. The reason heavy cars protect people is
that in order to dissipate the energy some force must be applied and
generally speaking that force can be looked at as a constant. (E.g.
other car, oak tree, road friction, center divide, etc.) Now since
force is mass times acceleration, if the force is constant and the
mass is greater then the acceleration, (or in our case deceleration,)
must be less. Less deceleration usually means less damage to our
fragile bodies.
The other reason large objects protect us is that the
deceleration occurs over a longer time, (or distance.) Since
deceleration is equal to 1/2 the velocity squared divided by the
distance taken to decelerate, (assuming a constant rate of
deceleration,) if that distance is larger, the deceleration, and
therefore damage, is reduced.
Light is good when you have less force available to
decelerate. If our bodies can handle 26g's deceleration, then a light
object can do that with less force than a heavy object. Thus if you
put a Kitfox in the trees, you might get a nice gentle deceleration,
whereas putting a P-51 in the trees at the same speed will probably
hardly slow it before it hits the ground or a trunk. (Though if you
could KEEP it in the trees, it would decelerate appreciably slower,
providing a much more gentle ride for your body.) In other words, a
heavy body is much more LIKELY to keep going until it hits something
hard. (In the case of airplanes heavier ones are usually going a lot
faster too, and we've already seen that the deceleration is
proportional to the velocity squared.)
If the Bonanza pilot was good, (I know, fat chance,) they
were at Vx, which for the Bonanza is 77 knots. If I were Lowell I
would have been landing at about 35 mph. At gross the Bonanza would
be about 3400 pounds versus 1200 for Lowell. Thus the Bonanza would
have to dissipate about 18 times the energy. If they stopped in the
same distance the Bonanza deceleration would be over 6 times that for
the Kitfox. If the Bonanza saw 26 g's, (since somebody died,) the
Kitfox would have seen only about 4 g's.
How's that for nonsense?
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
(PS I watched that Bonanza crash video about a dozen times and stayed
up nearly all night replaying it in my mind. You see, I fly that
exact aircraft when I want to go somewhere fast. Very unsettling.)
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Followup |
In a message dated 9/1/2007 5:13:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bnn@nethere.com writes:
Lowell crushed a lower back disk and was to go into surgery
yesterday, (Friday,) morning.
Guy,
Thanks for the update and please keep us posted as news develops. We wish
Lowell and Kay a speedy recovery, both physically and mentally. The fact that
they're in relatively good shape physically is great news. Sure, it's tough
to lose a plane on the other hand it is replaceable if Lowell chooses to do
so.
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster - N39RW, 912S Power
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Kitfoxes at Kitty Hawk Oct 6 |
I have confirmation from Lynn Matteson and and Ken Dunnebacke for Kitty Hawk on
the 6th of October. Ken and I will be a flight of two from his home airport (EWN)
to Kitty Hawk. We're also planning a short stop at OCX (Ocracoke Island).
I don't know what kind of accomidations are available at Kitty Hawk but I did
read that they have a cap of 24 hours for tiedowns. Ken and I (and anyone else
who's interested) plan on continuing on from there to Campbell Airfield in Virginia
to hook up with Ray Cignac of Maryland.
That's three confirmed Kitfoxes at Kitty Hawk on Oct 6. There's still plenty of
time so I'm hopefull that more people will chime in before then.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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I recently offered my NSI Turbo Engine for sale on this List. I also
mentioned that I might also sell some of my instruments. The engine is sold
and gone and I am in the middle of installing my new engine. I ordered a
Grand Rapids EIS to simultaneously monitor six head temps and six exhaust
gas temps.
After I did that I discovered that Rocky Mountain Instruments expected to
offer that as an upgrade around Christmas of this year. The assembled price
on my unit is $1,299.00 or $999.00 as a kit. I am short a couple of the
probes I let go with the engine. I will take $480. A couple of List
members asked me to let them know if I decided to sell it, but I have a new
laptop and lost all of the names. I'm sorry about that.
It will come with the wiring harness I was using and a switch that allowed
me to alternate between two exhaust temp probes. Interested parties can
read about the Monitor at http://www.rkymtn.com/. It can be upgraded to all
of the current latest features if they are of interest to a buyer. All
manuals can be downloaded there and I also have them.
Do not archive
Jim Crowder
S5/3300 Jabiru (Engine swap in process)
North Front Range of Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Followup |
Guy,
Thank you for the up date, I was about to go another direction to check on
them. I am looking forward to his hummer on the list again. After being on
the list my self since 92 many of you guys are family.
John Oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Crash Followup
At 11:34 AM 9/1/2007, you wrote:
>Does ANYONE have any info on what happened? Has anyone got an
>update on Lowell and his wifes condition?
Hi all,
Since Lowell's condition was fairly satisfactory I was
waiting until he got back on the web to explain. I understand,
though, your concerns so I will pass on what I have received second
hand. (Mark Ferkin talking to Lowell by cell.) I have been unwilling
to pester him by phone since Mark and others have passed on my
solicitations, and right now it appears Lowell does not need
additional assistance.
Lowell crushed a lower back disk and was to go into surgery
yesterday, (Friday,) morning. Otherwise he was in fairly good repair.
He apparently handled the recovery of the airplane himself by phone
and so did not need any assistance from me in that regard. I have not
yet heard the results of the surgery.
His wife Kay apparently gashed her knee bad enough to require some
surgery, (it didn't sound major,) but was otherwise OK.
I will not comment on the accident at all as I'm sure that can wait
until Lowell returns.
As I said, this is second hand, so I hope I have it right. In any
case I believe Lowell will return to us fairly soon to set things straight.
Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "kitfox-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Kitfox-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/kitfox-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Kitfox-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Kitfox-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Kitfox-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Kitfox
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
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Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
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Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
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If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
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- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
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- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
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- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
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agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
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- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
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contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
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other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
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a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
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| Subject: | Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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