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1. 03:39 AM - Re: Seat Reinforcement (fox5flyer)
2. 03:43 AM - Re: Seat Reinforcement (fox5flyer)
3. 07:36 AM - Lowell Fitt (michael burkhardt)
4. 08:09 AM - Re: Seat Reinforcement (Zimmermans)
5. 08:13 AM - Seat straps (Zimmermans)
6. 08:44 AM - Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Giovanni Day)
7. 09:57 AM - Re: Lowell Fitt Accident - Update (akflyer)
8. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Randy Daughenbaugh)
9. 10:19 AM - Re: Re: BMW 1100S (Rick)
10. 10:50 AM - Re: Re: Lowell Fitt Accident (Michel Verheughe)
11. 11:50 AM - Wing tank problem. NOT achohol related. (Dave G.)
12. 12:07 PM - Re: Sooby NSI engine (Peter Graichen)
13. 01:51 PM - Re: Lowell Fitt Accident (kitfoxmike)
14. 03:12 PM - Re: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 (Barry West)
15. 03:36 PM - kitfox trim. (Sbennett3@aol.com)
16. 04:15 PM - Re: kitfox trim. (wingnut)
17. 04:43 PM - Re: Seat straps (Michael Logan)
18. 04:44 PM - Recall: Seat straps (Michael Logan)
19. 05:23 PM - Re: Seat Reinforcement (clemwehner)
20. 08:07 PM - Re: Seat Reinforcement (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
21. 08:37 PM - Re: Wing tank problem. NOT achohol related. (Guy Buchanan)
22. 08:37 PM - Re: kitfox trim. (Guy Buchanan)
23. 09:46 PM - Re: Wing tank problem. NOT achohol related. (john oakley)
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| Subject: | Re: Seat Reinforcement |
Chris, that is very similar in principal to what I and many others have
done. However, I used seat belt material.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"If you don't read the newspaper you are
uninformed, if you do read
the newspaper you are misinformed."
Mark Twain
Jim:
I'm nearing the completion of a Kitfox 7 and have looked at this issue
fearing the same possibility. My solution was to fabricate a couple of
slings that go under each side of the seat (total of 4 in all) andwrap
around the structural tubeing that suports the seat.
The slings are fabricated from steel strapping normally used for pipe
hanger material that can by purchased at most hardware/home improvement
stores in the plumbing department. The strapping comes with pre-formed
holes so once you have the correct length so that the fiberglass seatpan
rests on the slings, secure with AN hardware. After installing the
slings, the seats are very solid and will withstand much more load than
the stock setup.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Seat Reinforcement |
Very nice Jim. What are those attachments on the straps that you used?
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
Subject: Kitfox-List: Seat Reinforcement
I used nylon lifting straps.
Jim Series 5 0-200 building.
Lake Elmo MN.
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PLACERVILLE, Calif. -- Two Northern California
residents were recovering Thursday after the
experimental plane they were flying crashed in a field
near Folsom Lake College.
The crash reduced the small white plane to a crumple
of tangled metal, and neighbors who rushed to the
scene said they were shocked to see a man and woman
crawl away from the wreckage.
El Dorado County Sheriff's Deputy Phil Chovanec said
the two Cameron Park residents were in stable
condition at a local hospital.
Their plane had taken off from Cameron Park Airport
bound for Idaho at 6:15 a.m. It crashed 15 minutes
later near the El Dorado campus of Folsom Lake College
in Placerville.
The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating
the crash.
Found this in local paper.
Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the
Yahoo! Auto Green Center.
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| Subject: | Re: Seat Reinforcement |
3/16 pop rivets with 5/8 heads. Covered with heavy duty shrink wrap.
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From: fox5flyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Seat Reinforcement
Very nice Jim. What are those attachments on the straps that you
used?
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
Subject: Kitfox-List: Seat Reinforcement
I used nylon lifting straps.
Jim Series 5 0-200 building.
Lake Elmo MN.
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Here is a picture of the fasteners. Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
I did a little research on my kit. It was ordered in 03/31/97 and delivered 04/30/97
from Skystar. Does anyone know if the tanks would have been made of the
new Aflac resin?
I also found a packing list that includes Kreem Fuel tank liner, Quart. Makes me
think the switch had not been made on the resin yet.
Maybe the Kreem is the amber stuff comming out?? On the web I find it says it is
"Resistant to alcohol and gasohol; withstands most octane boosters" but who
knows back in 1997.
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Giovanni Day
Model 4 speedster 912
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| Subject: | Re: Lowell Fitt Accident - Update |
Thanks for the update! Glad to hear that he may be OK without surgery.
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
Giovanni,
My kit was made mid '99 - supposedly well after the switch was made to the
new resin - and the kit included Kreem. I didn't use it. No problems in
180 hours.
I think your kit was after the change too, but hopefully someone who knows
for sure will respond.
Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH
Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip
Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
Does anyone know if the tanks would have been made of the new Aflac resin?
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Giovanni Day
Model 4 speedster 912
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This is the link I found. There is also a BMW engine on ebay right now.
I like the idea a lot. In fact if I rebuild this is a serious contender.
Rick
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JSD
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:06 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: BMW 1100S
Thanks again for the links. Yes Rick, I'd sure be interested in looking
into that conversion if you can find them.
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8/27/2007 6:20 PM
4:32 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Lowell Fitt Accident |
On Sep 3, 2007, at 7:08 AM, John Allen wrote:
> what scares me about Lowell's accident is that I did not conceive a
> forced
> landing in an open field could be so destructive.
I am sure we will hear all the details from Lowell, John. But I often
drive my car, looking at fields along the road and thinking: Hum, from
above this would look like a nice place to land but look at that
shallow trench or that obstacle. Here in Norway, many such fields are
on hill sides and quite steep ones. From above, it all looks flat and
friendly.
> Could the Zodiac have a similar design issue with the fuel flow?
It could very well be, John. Since the engine started again without
problem on the field, we will never know for sure what was the cause
but carburettor icing was the prime suspect from what I hear. I don't
know if that plane has a header tank or not but I am glad I have one.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Wing tank problem. NOT achohol related. |
# 1492 was equipped with 13 gal wing tanks and one of them has split a
seam while being removed. Right at the point where the cut off rib
attached the top and bottom can be separated a little. I discovered it
while leak testing before gluing them back into the wings. While I can
for a thin blade into the 1" split it is far to small to force Hysol or
any other thick adhesive in there. I am contemplating repair options and
would like to hear what has succeeded or failed for others.
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
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| Subject: | Sooby NSI engine |
Hi Layne:
Please explain your wet and dry readings.
Peter
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
debrun26@juno.com
Sent: Sunday, 02 September, 2007 21:50
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sooby NSI engine
WOW!!! Thanks so much for the help... I don't have a pressure indicator for
the fuel but there is a vaccuum pressure indicator even though there isn't
anything run by vaccuum that I can tell. Since most of you run all the time
with the pump running, I'll start dong it also. Peter, I did a compression
test and found that my clinders varied from 80 lbs to 135 lbs dry, and 140
to 220 lbs wet. Does this mean that I need both a ring and valve job (with
your stainless steel valves)? Layne
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| Subject: | Re: Lowell Fitt Accident |
50mph stall when landing a speedster at full gross. NO WAY. I can say that, I
have the same airplane. All I can say is I went to the fly in this weekend and
I was very supprised at how fast everybody was landing. I think everybody
needs to learn how to SLOOOOW down when they land. Way too many sqeekies. If
you don't think it's necessary, think about when you need to land off field some
day, lets slow these babies down. After all they are a kitfox.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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| Subject: | Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200 |
I bought my Model IV kit in 1996 and used the Kreem in the tanks. I have
been flying since 2000 and have had no problem with fuel contamination nor
water in the fuel. My fuel lines are a combination of the rubber hoses and
aluminum that came with the kit. The site gages turned dark, got brittle
and one of them broke departing Oshkosh in 2006. I replaced them with nylon
tubing that is not as transparent but still works and has not been a
problem.
Barry West
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From: "Giovanni Day" <thedays@mchsi.com>
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:42 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Amber residue in 912 intake Model 4-1200
>
> I did a little research on my kit. It was ordered in 03/31/97 and
> delivered 04/30/97 from Skystar. Does anyone know if the tanks would have
> been made of the new Aflac resin?
>
> I also found a packing list that includes Kreem Fuel tank liner, Quart.
> Makes me think the switch had not been made on the resin yet.
>
> Maybe the Kreem is the amber stuff comming out?? On the web I find it says
> it is "Resistant to alcohol and gasohol; withstands most octane boosters"
> but who knows back in 1997.
>
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> Giovanni Day
> Model 4 speedster 912
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132500#132500
>
>
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I recently purchased a kitfox 4 1200 with a rotax 912. When we try to trim
it out in cruise speed there is still a tendency to nose down... I'm lazy
and don't want the back pressure... Do any of you guys use elevator trim and
just move the flaperons full forward ? Also, it's a torquey little beast at
full power... It likes a lot of right rudder on climbout... Should I bend the
tail trim a little further and use the rt. rudder less on climbout our just
get used to it ??? Any comments from you old pros will be gladly
accepted... Steve Bennett Durham NC.
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox trim. |
Well.. I'm no "Pro" but I'll chime in with my limited experience :-)
Are you trimming with flaps or do you have the motorized trim tab option? I have
the trim tab on mine and there's plenty of trim authority to trim for strait
and level. In fact, my trim setting is forward of neutral at cruise.
As for yaw: I too need lots of right rudder to stay coordinated on full power Vy
climb. On the other hand, I still need a little left rudder at cruise. I spend
a lot more time at cruise then I do at climb so that's more of a factor for
me. I guess it's a trade off either way but there's no escaping that your feet
are going to be a lot more busy in a Kitfox then they would be in your average
Cessna.
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Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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I can't tell what the fasteners are from the picture.
Mike
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zimmermans
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 11:11 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Seat straps
Here is a picture of the fasteners. Jim
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Michael Logan would like to recall the message, "Kitfox-List: Seat straps".
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| Subject: | Seat Reinforcement |
I've thought about using two blocks of balsa wood, one on each side of
the elevator pushrod. Any thoughts on this approach?
Clem Wehner
Lawton, OK
Mod IV-912
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| Subject: | Re: Seat Reinforcement |
Clem,
Just my 2 cents, but why Balsa? It may be light, but wouldn't provide much
strength or support due to the span, if the seat load falls on it. Spruce,
at a little more weight, is much stronger and could possibly support the load.
However, the real problem with both (especially the spruce) is, there is no
crush zone. So after the small seat cushion and tush, your spine gets to
absorb the g -load. Ouch! It seems the web material or seat belt material has
some give and then retains the seat pan over the controls.
I went with the webbing, but either way, I think doing something to keep the
controls from getting jammed is necessary.
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster - N39RW, 912S Power
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| Subject: | Re: Wing tank problem. NOT achohol related. |
At 11:50 AM 9/3/2007, you wrote:
>I am contemplating repair options and would like to hear what has
>succeeded or failed for others.
Two possibilities:
1. I checked briefly and found cyanoacrylate is compatible with
gasoline. I would therefore get some thin cyano and copiously wick it
into the crack while pumping the crack with the blade. Then clamp and
let cure 24 hours. Then leak test. If you still get leaks pull a very
slight vacuum on the tank and let thin cyano wick into the area until
the leak stops. (This cure works for many types of leaks, including pinholes.)
2. Thin epoxy with 3% laquer thinner and try to get it to flow into
the crack as above. Once clamped and cured then pull a slight vacuum
and top off with thin cyano. See
http://www.seqair.com/skunkworks/Glues/WestSystem/Thinning/Thinning.html
for information on thinning epoxy.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox trim. |
At 03:34 PM 9/3/2007, you wrote:
>When we try to trim it out in cruise speed there is still a tendency
>to nose down... I'm lazy and don't want the back pressure... Do
>any of you guys use elevator trim and just move the flaperons full forward ?
First check the flaperons. You may have some flap on. I like the
flaperons to have the same angle of attack as the wing. Once you've
checked them, then I recommend adding an elevator trim. I like it
better than trimming with the flaperons, though I confess I've not
been able to ascertain a big speed difference either way.
>Also, it's a torquey little beast at full power... It likes a lot of
>right rudder on climbout... Should I bend the tail trim a little
>further and use the rt. rudder less on climbout our just get used to it ???
I set the rudder trim for cruise and add rudder for going up and down hill.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Wing tank problem. NOT achohol related. |
Guy,
I have not had pin leaks, but I can say that JB weld is the best thing to
use on this type of repair. This is what we use on our uav's and they fly
over people day and night.
John Oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing tank problem. NOT achohol related.
At 11:50 AM 9/3/2007, you wrote:
I am contemplating repair options and would like to hear what has succeeded
or failed for others.
Two possibilities:
1. I checked briefly and found cyanoacrylate is compatible with gasoline. I
would therefore get some thin cyano and copiously wick it into the crack
while pumping the crack with the blade. Then clamp and let cure 24 hours.
Then leak test. If you still get leaks pull a very slight vacuum on the tank
and let thin cyano wick into the area until the leak stops. (This cure works
for many types of leaks, including pinholes.)
2. Thin epoxy with 3% laquer thinner and try to get it to flow into the
crack as above. Once clamped and cured then pull a slight vacuum and top off
with thin cyano. See
http://www.seqair.com/skunkworks/Glues/WestSystem/Thinning/Thinning.html for
information on thinning epoxy.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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