---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/07/07: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:47 AM - BRS (Christoph Graf) 2. 02:54 AM - Re: BRS (Bob) 3. 07:30 AM - Re: BRS (jdmcbean) 4. 07:34 AM - Re: 121.5 ELT Termination (Joe & Jan Connell) 5. 09:20 AM - Re: 121.5 ELt termination (kitfoxmike) 6. 09:33 AM - Float on landing (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 7. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: 121.5 ELT Termination (Torgeir Mortensen) 8. 09:55 AM - Light-Sport Pilots license (Bob Waldron) 9. 10:07 AM - Re: Light-Sport Pilots license (Rhino) 10. 10:08 AM - Re: Light-Sport Pilots license (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 11. 10:19 AM - Re: 121.5 ELt termination (Rhino) 12. 10:19 AM - Re: Light-Sport Pilots license (Lynn Matteson) 13. 10:44 AM - Re: Light-Sport Pilots license (wingnut) 14. 10:45 AM - bmw (Bill Flick) 15. 11:24 AM - Re: bmw (JC Propellerdesign) 16. 11:36 AM - Re: Light-Sport Pilots license (kitfoxmike) 17. 11:51 AM - Re: 121.5 ELt termination (kitfoxmike) 18. 12:04 PM - Re: 121.5 ELt termination (Rhino) 19. 12:16 PM - Re: Light-Sport Pilots license (wingnut) 20. 12:50 PM - Re: Float on landing (n85ae) 21. 12:58 PM - Re: Re: Float on landing (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 22. 01:32 PM - Re: Float on landing (dave) 23. 02:28 PM - Re: Re: 121.5 ELt termination (John W. Hart) 24. 02:47 PM - Re: Light-Sport Pilots license (kitfoxmike) 25. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license (Jimmie Blackwell) 26. 04:25 PM - Re: Light-Sport Pilots license (wingnut) 27. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license (Torgeir Mortensen) 28. 07:33 PM - Re: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license (Clint Bazzill) 29. 07:35 PM - Re: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license (Noel Loveys) 30. 07:37 PM - Re: Light-Sport Pilots license (dcsfoto) 31. 07:39 PM - Re: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license (Clint Bazzill) 32. 08:29 PM - Re: RV9-List: Float on landing (Bill Repucci) 33. 09:36 PM - Re: Re: 121.5 ELt termination (Guy Buchanan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:08 AM PST US From: "Christoph Graf" Subject: Kitfox-List: BRS Dear all Great list! Has anyone a guideline how to a install a BRS? Christoph KF-IV/1050/582 -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:18 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: BRS From: "Bob" Click the "My Airplane" link or call BRS: http://www.scoobysworkshop.com/ -------- Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133212#133212 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:57 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: BRS There are specific instructions for installing the BRS in the IV... They are different then the later models.. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Christoph Graf Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:46 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: BRS Dear all Great list! Has anyone a guideline how to a install a BRS? Christoph KF-IV/1050/582 -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail 3:18 PM 3:18 PM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:53 AM PST US From: "Joe & Jan Connell" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 121.5 ELT Termination I have a Kitfox-II with the current 121.5 MHz ELT. My wife and I are also building an RV-9A. I'd like to be able to move a new 406 MHz ELT back and forth between the aircraft. I understand both the 121.5 and 406 units can use the same switch box on the instrument panel (marketing literature from ACK indicates this.) If the new ELT is registered with the FCC, I wonder if it can reflect both aircraft. I'm afraid I'm looking at two new ELTs... Joe Connell ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:13 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 121.5 ELt termination From: "kitfoxmike" Like me, I have the same situation. That's why I'm going with the portable unit. The same unit a mountain climber uses. Much cheaper and it gets put on you. You keep the 121.5 ELT to satisfy the regs. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying enough" Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133244#133244 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:58 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Kitfox-List: Float on landing after a lengthy discussion on the Kitfox list regarding float on landing and doing some testing in my kitfox to determine the efficacy of maintaining 1.3 times stall speed on approach I decided to try the same thing with the RV9. I climbed to pattern altitude plus 2000 feet and configured for landing: full flaps 1200 rpm. With this setup I practiced a variety of manuevers that might be required in landing while maintaining 65IAS. The RV9 was perfectly stable in all manuevers and indicated 400-450 rate of decent. With regained confidence I returned to the pattern a proceded to make a couple of landings. Again holding 65IAS as precisely as possible I had two of the best landings in a long time. Gone was the hunting for the ground while excess speed bled off. Flying can really be a Zen experience. John Kerr Logan UT
after a lengthy discussion on the Kitfox list regarding float on landing and doing some testing in my kitfox to determine the efficacy of maintaining 1.3 times stall speed on approach I decided to try the same thing with the RV9.
 
I climbed to pattern altitude plus 2000 feet and configured for landing: full flaps 1200 rpm. With this setup I practiced a variety of manuevers that might be required in landing while maintaining 65IAS.  The RV9 was perfectly stable in all manuevers and indicated 400-450 rate of decent.
 
With regained confidence I returned to the pattern a proceded to make a couple of landings.  Again holding 65IAS as precisely as possible I had two of the best landings in a long time.  Gone was the hunting for the ground while excess speed bled off. 
 
Flying can really be a Zen experience.
 
John Kerr
Logan UT
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 121.5 ELT Termination From: "Torgeir Mortensen" Hi Joe, the "new standard" the 406 Mhz ELT's, transmit your aircraft ID. One of the brand (Cannad), have the ID strapping inside the mounting tray or in the aircraft connector that's connected to the ELT. I.E. when moving the ELT to the other craft the ID will still be unique for that aircraft. Just make sure that your selected brand can do that. A binary number is generated from your aircraft ID, this is the code that's strapped inside the aircraft connector, your name is registered and connected directly to this binary number. When an ELT is "chiming", they'll know the aircraft and who to contact. Torgeir. On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:33:09 +0200, Joe & Jan Connell wrote: > I have a Kitfox-II with the current 121.5 MHz ELT. > My wife and I are also building an RV-9A. > I'd like to be able to move a new 406 MHz ELT back and forth between the > aircraft. I understand both the 121.5 and 406 units can use the same > switch box on the instrument panel (marketing literature from ACK > indicates this.) > If the new ELT is registered with the FCC, I wonder if it can reflect > both aircraft. I'm afraid I'm looking at two new ELTs... > > Joe Connell -- Torgeir Kitfox Model II, 1993 Engine: Rotax 532 with B gearbox Propeller: IVO UL 366Q Tromsoe NORWAY. Weather in Tromso right now: http://met.no/troms/index.html City map of Tromso: http://www.avinor.no/English/Airports/Tromso_Airport/?module=Articles;action=ArticleFolder.publicOpenFolder;ID=1453 Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:37 AM PST US From: "Bob Waldron" Subject: Kitfox-List: Light-Sport Pilots license I have a Kitfox model 3. Someone just contacted me about buying it. They are pursuing a Light-Sport license. I don't know the details of the new certification process but would he be legally qualified to fly the Kitfox? -Bob ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:31 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license From: "Rhino" skwgn(at)comcast.net wrote: > I have a Kitfox model 3. Someone just contacted me about buying it. They are pursuing a Light-Sport license. I dont know the details of the new certification process but would he be legally qualified to fly the Kitfox? -Bob [b] There is no certification process needed. If the aircraft qualifies under LSA rules, he can fly it as a Sport Pilot. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133254#133254 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:28 AM PST US From: "Jim_and_Lucy Chuk" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Light-Sport Pilots license Should be no problem, gross weight for SP is 1320 lbs, 100 kts. maximum speed, two seats. I've had the SP license for 2 years last June, flying Avid B model and now a Mark IV. Jim Chuk, MK IV Avid >From: "Bob Waldron" >To: >Subject: Kitfox-List: Light-Sport Pilots license >Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:55:06 -0600 > >I have a Kitfox model 3. Someone just contacted me about buying it. They >are pursuing a Light-Sport license. > >I don't know the details of the new certification process but would he be >legally qualified to fly the Kitfox? > >-Bob > _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever. Windows Live Hotmail - NOW with 5GB storage. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:07 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 121.5 ELt termination From: "Rhino" kitfoxmike wrote: > So my problem is, I don't want to spend big bucks to have two planes with a 406 that is certified for the airplane, generally 1500 dollars each. They're down around $1,000 now, such as the one below, and they will eventually be going lower. The question is, how low will they go before February of 2009? http://www.skygeek.com/455-6605.html Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133256#133256 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:27 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Light-Sport Pilots license The term is Sport Pilot License (or Certificate). The "Light Sport" part pertains to the aircraft in question. Yes, the Kitfox Model III qualifies as a Light Sport Aircraft, and can be flown by anyone with a Sport Pilot license/certificate or higher (Private Pilot, etc) as long as they have been checked out in that type of plane. This is providing that the plane in question meets all the rules of the LSA requirements, and someone hasn't installed a rocket in it. : ) Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.....and I know you will. : ) Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/400+ hrs do not archive On Sep 7, 2007, at 12:55 PM, Bob Waldron wrote: > I have a Kitfox model 3. Someone just contacted me about buying > it. They are pursuing a Light-Sport license. I dont know the > details of the new certification process but would he be legally > qualified to fly the Kitfox? -Bob > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:51 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license From: "wingnut" You wouldn't happen to have an "in flight" adjustable IVO propeller? I understand that this is another way to disqualify an airplane from flying under LSA rules. > I have a Kitfox model 3. Someone just contacted me about buying it. They are pursuing a Light-Sport license. I dont know the details of the new certification process but would he be legally qualified to fly the Kitfox? -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133259#133259 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:48 AM PST US From: "Bill Flick" Subject: Kitfox-List: bmw kuba;s email was gbam@gazeta,pl not sure if it is still the dame but give it a try. the guy is really knowledgeable about bmw. bill ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:19 AM PST US From: "JC Propellerdesign" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: bmw Yes, one is to his work and one home, I never remember witch one is witch Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Flick To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: bmw kuba;s email was gbam@gazeta,pl not sure if it is still the dame but give it a try. the guy is really knowledgeable about bmw. bill ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:52 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license From: "kitfoxmike" Even if the airplane has the inflight adjustable, which yes will disqualify, just route the switch to under the cowling, that way it's no longer inflight adjustable, has to be adjusted on the ground with the engine off. Now you don't have an inflight adjustable. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying enough" Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133272#133272 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:49 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 121.5 ELt termination From: "kitfoxmike" I like it. saving the info. thanks -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying enough" Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133275#133275 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:34 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 121.5 ELt termination From: "Rhino" kitfoxmike wrote: > So if you want to save some bucks and have a system that WORKS, than buy a portable 406 which is registered under the user, and retain the old ELT system for satifying the regs. That's my plan anyway. The plot may be thickening... > September 5, 2007 > > NTSB Wants Better ELTs in Aircraft > > The FAA should require that all emergency locator transmitters in general aviation aircraft must be upgraded, the NTSB said (PDF) on Wednesday...... http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/NTSB_WantsBetterELTs_196080-1.html There's more at the link. I didn't want to run afoul of any copyright claims. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133276#133276 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:16 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license From: "wingnut" > Even if the airplane has the inflight adjustable, which yes will disqualify, just route the switch to under the cowling, that way it's no longer inflight adjustable, has to be adjusted on the ground with the engine off. Now you don't have an inflight adjustable. Hmm. You sure about that? Bellow is a bit of text I copied from a Q&A on the EAA web site. It looks like the EAA disagrees with you on this point. Question : I've found an Avid MKIV which I would like to purchase. Does this aircraft meet LSA qualifications? The aircraft has a Warp Drive in flight adjustable prop, will this have to be removed to meet qualifications? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Answer : Since the aircraft has an in-flight adjustable propeller it does not meet the LSA definition. It will not meet the LSA definition even if the propeller is changed, and thus cannot be made eligible for operation by sport pilots. The LSA definition requires that the aircraft meet the definition at the time of its initial certification and continuously thereafter in order to be eligible to be operated by sport pilots. The aircraft you describe does not meet this criteria. -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133277#133277 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:06 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Float on landing From: "n85ae" The ironic part is that the speed may have nothing to do with the good landings. It may be entirely because you were very focused, and trying to be precise is what really did it. Regards, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133280#133280 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:39 PM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Float on landing I know what you mean, but touch down is taking place at about the same speed, the difference might well be in the time spent at 0+ to 5 feet holding attitude waiting for excess speed to be disapated. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "n85ae" > > The ironic part is that the speed may have nothing to do with the good > landings. It may be entirely because you were very focused, and trying > to be precise is what really did it. > > Regards, > Jeff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133280#133280 > > > > > > > > > >
I know what you mean, but touch down is taking place at about the same speed, the difference might well be in the time spent at 0+ to 5 feet holding attitude waiting for excess speed to be disapated.
 
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________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:00 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Float on landing From: "dave" John, A few suggestions- try putting a camcorder in your plane and/or have someone tape you while doing a series of circuits in any plane. ( so we can see and learn as well) Then find a field or runway ( shorter the better and uncontrolled) eg 2500 foot runway with trees on both ends. Mark the touchdown spot you are aiming for and try to hit it consistantly 4,5 or 10 times in a row. try different speeds eg Kitfox - 50 45 40 or what ever your plane flies at 1.2 stall would be a good place to start. try with flaps the same. try with power try deadstick. Great learning experiences -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133288#133288 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:11 PM PST US From: "John W. Hart" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: 121.5 ELt termination Sounds reasonable to do what you're doing. However, I got a sneaky suspicion that The FAR's will probably be revised just about December 2008. They will somehow manage to cost everybody a bunch of money. John Hart -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kitfoxmike Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 6:22 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 121.5 ELt termination This is how I understand things. I talked to my local fsdo and was told that we can not use a 406 portable as our primary. These are around 600dollars. I will be having two airplanes. So my problem is, I don't want to spend big bucks to have two planes with a 406 that is certified for the airplane, generally 1500 dollars each. So I asked if I put in the old ELT system and buy a portable will that work. He said yes it will. So if you want to save some bucks and have a system that WORKS, than buy a portable 406 which is registered under the user, and retain the old ELT system for satifying the regs. That's my plan anyway. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying enough" Do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:44 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license From: "kitfoxmike" THese are experimental. So what is inflight adjustable. Able to adjust while in flight from the cockpit? -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying enough" Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133299#133299 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:17 PM PST US From: "Jimmie Blackwell" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license I really do not want to start another argument on the subject, but it is better that we know sport pilot rules. Even if you remove the in flight adjustable prop a sport pilot cannot legally fly the plane, ever. In order to meet the requirements for a sport pilot to fly the airplane legally it, "must have been continuiously maintained throughout the life of the aircraft with on a ground or fixed pitch prop." Please do not take my word for it, ask Joe Norris at EAA. Jimmie ----- Original Message ----- From: "wingnut" Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license > > >> Even if the airplane has the inflight adjustable, which yes will >> disqualify, just route the switch to under the cowling, that way it's no >> longer inflight adjustable, has to be adjusted on the ground with the >> engine off. Now you don't have an inflight adjustable. > > > Hmm. You sure about that? Bellow is a bit of text I copied from a Q&A on > the EAA web site. It looks like the EAA disagrees with you on this point. > > > Question : > I've found an Avid MKIV which I would like to purchase. Does this aircraft > meet LSA qualifications? > > The aircraft has a Warp Drive in flight adjustable prop, will this have to > be removed to meet qualifications? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Answer : > Since the aircraft has an in-flight adjustable propeller it does not meet > the LSA definition. It will not meet the LSA definition even if the > propeller is changed, and thus cannot be made eligible for operation by > sport pilots. The LSA definition requires that the aircraft meet the > definition at the time of its initial certification and continuously > thereafter in order to be eligible to be operated by sport pilots. The > aircraft you describe does not meet this criteria. > > -------- > Luis Rodriguez > Model IV 1200 > Rotax 912UL > Flying Weekly > Laurens, SC (34A) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133277#133277 > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:43 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license From: "wingnut" > THese are experimental. So what is inflight adjustable. Able to adjust while in flight from the cockpit? I would take "in flight adjustable" to mean tha it can be adjusted while you're "in flight". Maybe they'll cut you some slack if you had to walk out on the wing to do it but I wouldn't bet my license on it. :-) -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133313#133313 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license From: "Torgeir Mortensen" > this is another way to disqualify an airplane from flying under LSA > rules. Just forgive them, -if you can, cause they're really don't know what they're talking about!- Torgeir -- -just 44 years in the aviation....! - and flying behind an IVO Sometimes really get mad............. On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:44:28 +0200, wingnut wrote: > > You wouldn't happen to have an "in flight" adjustable IVO propeller? I > understand that this is another way to disqualify an airplane from > flying under LSA rules. > > >> I have a Kitfox model 3. Someone just contacted me about buying it. >> They are pursuing a Light-Sport license. I dont know the details of >> the new certification process but would he be legally qualified to fly >> the Kitfox? > > > -------- > Luis Rodriguez > Model IV 1200 > Rotax 912UL > Flying Weekly > Laurens, SC (34A) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133259#133259 > > -- Torgeir Kitfox Model II, 1993 Engine: Rotax 532 with B gearbox Propeller: IVO UL 366Q Tromsoe NORWAY. Weather in Tromso right now: http://met.no/troms/index.html City map of Tromso: http://www.avinor.no/English/Airports/Tromso_Airport/?module=Articles;action=ArticleFolder.publicOpenFolder;ID=1453 Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:49 PM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license I have an electric adjustable with the control on the instrument panel. My plane is licensed for an Ivoprop, nothing about CAP. Have the adjustment switch in engine compartment for LSA. Clint> Date: Sat8 Sep 2007 01:47:48 +0200> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-S port Pilots license> From: torgemor@online.no> > --> Kitfox-List message po sted by: "Torgeir Mortensen" > > > this is another way to disqualify an airplane from flying under LSA > > rules.> > Just forgive them, -if you can, cause they're really don't know what > they're talking a bout!-> > Torgeir --> > -just 44 years in the aviation....!> > - and flying behind an IVO> > Sometimes really get mad.............> > > > > On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:44:28 +0200, wingnut wrote:> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" > >> > You wouldn't happen to have an "in flight" adjustable IVO propeller? I > > und erstand that this is another way to disqualify an airplane from > > flying under LSA rules.> >> >> >> I have a Kitfox model 3. Someone just contacted me about buying it. > >> They are pursuing a Light-Sport license. I don =99t know the details of > >> the new certification process but would he be legally qualified to fly > >> the Kitfox?> >> >> > --------> > Luis Rod riguez> > Model IV 1200> > Rotax 912UL> > Flying Weekly> > Laurens, SC (34A )> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics .com/viewtopic.php?p=133259#133259> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Torgeir> > Kitfox Model II, 1993> Engine: Rotax 532 with B gearbox> Propeller: IVO UL 366Q> > Tromsoe> NORWAY.> > Weather in Tromso right now:> http://met.no/troms/index.html> > City map of Tromso:> > http://www.avinor .no/English/Airports/Tromso_Airport/?module=Articles;action=ArticleFold er.publicOpenFolder;ID=1453> > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: =====================> > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:56 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license There may be an argument to be made that the prop is not part of the structure of the plane but an appliance. As such by installing it you disallow the sport rating on the plane as long as the appliance is attached. I'll bet making that argument would be expensive and of course iffy as to whether or not you would win. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Jimmie Blackwell > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:48 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license > > > > > I really do not want to start another argument on the > subject, but it is > better that we know sport pilot rules. Even if you remove > the in flight > adjustable prop a sport pilot cannot legally fly the plane, > ever. In order > to meet the requirements for a sport pilot to fly the > airplane legally it, > "must have been continuiously maintained throughout the life > of the aircraft > with on a ground or fixed pitch prop." > > Please do not take my word for it, ask Joe Norris at EAA. > > Jimmie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wingnut" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:14 PM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license > > > > > > > > >> Even if the airplane has the inflight adjustable, which yes will > >> disqualify, just route the switch to under the cowling, > that way it's no > >> longer inflight adjustable, has to be adjusted on the > ground with the > >> engine off. Now you don't have an inflight adjustable. > > > > > > Hmm. You sure about that? Bellow is a bit of text I copied > from a Q&A on > > the EAA web site. It looks like the EAA disagrees with you > on this point. > > > > > > > > Question : > > I've found an Avid MKIV which I would like to purchase. > Does this aircraft > > meet LSA qualifications? > > > > The aircraft has a Warp Drive in flight adjustable prop, > will this have to > > be removed to meet qualifications? > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > > > > Answer : > > Since the aircraft has an in-flight adjustable propeller it > does not meet > > the LSA definition. It will not meet the LSA definition even if the > > propeller is changed, and thus cannot be made eligible for > operation by > > sport pilots. The LSA definition requires that the aircraft > meet the > > definition at the time of its initial certification and > continuously > > thereafter in order to be eligible to be operated by sport > pilots. The > > aircraft you describe does not meet this criteria. > > > > -------- > > Luis Rodriguez > > Model IV 1200 > > Rotax 912UL > > Flying Weekly > > Laurens, SC (34A) > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133277#133277 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:18 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license From: "dcsfoto" the FAA has been ask and agrees that putting the switch in a location that can only be reached on the ground is ok David do not arcive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133344#133344 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:19 PM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license AGAIN, CHECK YOUR PAPER WORK. IF IT SAYS PROP IS IVOPROP. AS LONG AS IT D OESNT SAY IN FLIGHT ADJUSTABLE. CLINT > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license> From: wingnut@spama rrest.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:14:03 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics. >> > > > Even if the airplane has the inflight adjustable, which yes will d isqualify, just route the switch to under the cowling, that way it's no lon ger inflight adjustable, has to be adjusted on the ground with the engine o ff. Now you don't have an inflight adjustable. > > > Hmm. You sure about th at? Bellow is a bit of text I copied from a Q&A on the EAA web site. It loo ks like the EAA disagrees with you on this point.> > > > Question :> I've f ound an Avid MKIV which I would like to purchase. Does this aircraft meet L SA qualifications?> > The aircraft has a Warp Drive in flight adjustable pr op, will this have to be removed to meet qualifications? > > -------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------> > Answe r :> Since the aircraft has an in-flight adjustable propeller it does not m eet the LSA definition. It will not meet the LSA definition even if the pro peller is changed, and thus cannot be made eligible for operation by sport pilots. The LSA definition requires that the aircraft meet the definition a t the time of its initial certification and continuously thereafter in orde r to be eligible to be operated by sport pilots. The aircraft you describe does not meet this criteria.> > --------> Luis Rodriguez> Model IV 1200> Ro tax 912UL> Flying Weekly> Laurens, SC (34A)> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133277#133277> > > ==============> > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:03 PM PST US From: "Bill Repucci" Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: RV9-List: Float on landing Just to repeat some of the emails John and I exchanged privately this morning... I've been using 65 MPH since my first flight and now with 40 hours I have not had a problem with that speed. Abeam the numbers, back comes the power, in goes all the flaps, and with luck, I never have to touch the throttle again. This assumes John and my AS are calibrated the same. YMMV. Be careful, if you are trying these lower speeds on your own. You can use 60 MPH but that is a bit slow, even by my standards and the sink rate gets up there. However, in my light (990 lbs) -9 I still have enough energy to flair. Note, if I was going to try 60 MPH with a -9A, you might want to be ready with the throttle to help lift the nose a little. With my tail dragger, that isn't a concern. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna@comcast.net Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: RV9-List: Float on landing after a lengthy discussion on the Kitfox list regarding float on landing and doing some testing in my kitfox to determine the efficacy of maintaining 1.3 times stall speed on approach I decided to try the same thing with the RV9. I climbed to pattern altitude plus 2000 feet and configured for landing: full flaps 1200 rpm. With this setup I practiced a variety of manuevers that might be required in landing while maintaining 65IAS. The RV9 was perfectly stable in all manuevers and indicated 400-450 rate of decent. With regained confidence I returned to the pattern a proceded to make a couple of landings. Again holding 65IAS as precisely as possible I had two of the best landings in a long time. Gone was the hunting for the ground while excess speed bled off. Flying can really be a Zen experience. John Kerr Logan UT ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:42 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 121.5 ELt termination At 10:18 AM 9/7/2007, you wrote: >They're down around $1,000 now, such as the one below, and they will >eventually be going lower. The question is, how low will they go >before February of 2009? As with all digital hardware, you wait until the very last second, lest they come out with either a drastic improvement of a drastic price reduction. Of course, if I were buying an ELT now, I guess it would be a 406. (Although the 121.5 units are probably getting pretty cheap on the used market right about now.) Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.