---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/08/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:06 AM - SW ontario Flyin Sunday (dave) 2. 12:36 PM - Prop Serial Number (John W. Hart) 3. 01:47 PM - New Realtime Spell Checker Added To Matronics Forums! (Matt Dralle) 4. 01:49 PM - Re: Prop Serial Number (Rick) 5. 03:51 PM - firewall penetration (clemwehner) 6. 04:45 PM - Rotax 582 Fuel Burn (Frank Miles) 7. 04:59 PM - Re: Prop Serial Number (john oakley) 8. 05:00 PM - Re: firewall penetration (john oakley) 9. 05:05 PM - Re: firewall penetration (dcsfoto) 10. 05:22 PM - Re: Rotax 582 Fuel Burn (dave) 11. 05:32 PM - Re: firewall penetration (Mdkitfox@aol.com) 12. 06:15 PM - Re: SW ontario Flyin Sunday (Harry Cieslar) 13. 06:48 PM - Re: Rotax 582 Fuel Burn (Mnflyer) 14. 07:07 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 582 Fuel Burn (Frank Miles) 15. 07:43 PM - Re: firewall penetration (Marin Streeter) 16. 08:23 PM - Re: firewall penetration (paul wilson) 17. 10:52 PM - Re: firewall penetration and some (A Smith) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:52 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: SW ontario Flyin Sunday From: "dave" Might go, WX permitting of course [Rolling Eyes] September 9, St-Thomas, ON: St.Thomas Flight 75 annual fly-in drive-in breakfast. 8:a.m- 11:00 a.m. Lots of planes,antique cars ,great food and excellent company. Just $6.00 p.p. Email bassons@execulink.com. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133393#133393 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:57 PM PST US From: "John W. Hart" Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop Serial Number I have a NSI CAP 140 prop on mine. Does anyone know where to find the serial number on one of these critters. I've searched through all the paperwork the builder gave me and can't locate the serial number on the prop, or in the paperwork. It sure would be nice if folks that build homebuilts listed such things in the logbooks, just in case they decide to sell at sometime. John Hart -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:33 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license I have an electric adjustable with the control on the instrument panel. My plane is licensed for an Ivoprop, nothing about CAP. Have the adjustment switch in engine compartment for LSA. Clint > Date: Sat8 Sep 2007 01:47:48 +0200 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license > From: torgemor@online.no > > > > this is another way to disqualify an airplane from flying under LSA > > rules. > > Just forgive them, -if you can, cause they're really don't know what > they're talking about!- > > Torgeir -- > > -just 44 years in the aviation....! > > - and flying behind an IVO > > Sometimes really get mad............. > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:10 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kitfox-List: New Realtime Spell Checker Added To Matronics Forums! Dear Listers, Today 9/8/2007 I have added a new real-time spell checker function to all of the BBS Forums at Matronics. When you reply or create a new message on the Forums, you will notice that misspelled words will be high-lighted in yellow. If you left-click on the word, you will be prompted with a drop-down list of suggested spellings. http://forums.matronics.com Enjoy! Matt Dralle Matornics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:17 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Prop Serial Number Serial number of the prop is on a small sticker on one of the blades. Could have been removed or painted over. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Hart Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 12:36 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop Serial Number I have a NSI CAP 140 prop on mine. Does anyone know where to find the serial number on one of these critters. I've searched through all the paperwork the builder gave me and can't locate the serial number on the prop, or in the paperwork. It sure would be nice if folks that build homebuilts listed such things in the logbooks, just in case they decide to sell at sometime. John Hart -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:33 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license I have an electric adjustable with the control on the instrument panel. My plane is licensed for an Ivoprop, nothing about CAP. Have the adjustment switch in engine compartment for LSA. Clint > Date: Sat8 Sep 2007 01:47:48 +0200 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license > From: torgemor@online.no > > > > this is another way to disqualify an airplane from flying under LSA > > rules. > > Just forgive them, -if you can, cause they're really don't know what > they're talking about!- > > Torgeir -- > > -just 44 years in the aviation....! > > - and flying behind an IVO > > Sometimes really get mad............. > > > "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Kitfox-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com 4:40 PM 4:40 PM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:58 PM PST US From: "clemwehner" Subject: Kitfox-List: firewall penetration I'm installing my 912 in a KF IV and have a question that seems really dumb, but I can't find an answer in anything I've read. What is the proper way to pass things like wires, hoses, and tubing through the firewall? Is it through simple rubber grommets, or is there a special fitting used? thanks, Clem Wehner KFIV-912 Lawton, OK ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:32 PM PST US From: "Frank Miles" Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 582 Fuel Burn Can anyone tell me what the typical hourly burn should be? I understand that this will vary with altitude, rpm and so on but just give me an average. Frank Miles K-III w/ Rotax 582 3:18 PM ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:40 PM PST US From: "john oakley" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Prop Serial Number John, The number of the blades should be seen on a sticker near the hub end, the hub it self you have to pull the hub. It is written in the hub at the surface. And yes it should be listed in the logs, in fact as a cap it should have a log itself. How many hours do you have on the plane? John Oakley 4 speedster- long and short 912- cap _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Hart Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 1:36 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop Serial Number I have a NSI CAP 140 prop on mine. Does anyone know where to find the serial number on one of these critters. I've searched through all the paperwork the builder gave me and can't locate the serial number on the prop, or in the paperwork. It sure would be nice if folks that build homebuilts listed such things in the logbooks, just in case they decide to sell at sometime. John Hart -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:33 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license I have an electric adjustable with the control on the instrument panel. My plane is licensed for an Ivoprop, nothing about CAP. Have the adjustment switch in engine compartment for LSA. Clint > Date: Sat8 Sep 2007 01:47:48 +0200 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Light-Sport Pilots license > From: torgemor@online.no > > > > this is another way to disqualify an airplane from flying under LSA > > rules. > > Just forgive them, -if you can, cause they're really don't know what > they're talking about!- > > Torgeir -- > > -just 44 years in the aviation....! > > - and flying behind an IVO > > Sometimes really get mad............. > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:54 PM PST US From: "john oakley" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: firewall penetration Clem, For everything except my thermocouple wires, I used computer type 9 and 14 pin connecters. John Oakley _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of clemwehner Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:51 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: firewall penetration I'm installing my 912 in a KF IV and have a question that seems really dumb, but I can't find an answer in anything I've read. What is the proper way to pass things like wires, hoses, and tubing through the firewall? Is it through simple rubber grommets, or is there a special fitting used? thanks, Clem Wehner KFIV-912 Lawton, OK ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:38 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: firewall penetration From: "dcsfoto" Aircraft spruce has some nice plastic snap bushings,page 94 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133528#133528 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:14 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax 582 Fuel Burn From: "dave" 582 - 18 to 21 litres per hour at about 6000 rpm is what i get 5600 rpm you might see 16 to 17 litres per hour this is with stock Bing 54 carbs and stock needles with needle clips on 3rd notch from the top which I use this time of year. In winter i will drop the clip one notch which raises the needle and will increase your fuel burn by 10 - 15% to 20 to 23.5 litres/ hour. My EGts run in summer 1100 or so and in winter 1150 to 1200 and plugs loks great. I pitch prop for 6800 wide open straight and level and depending on prop the static could be 5900 (warp) , 6200 (gsc) to 6500 ( ivo ) plis a few inflight props i have will more adjustment. Hope this helps , -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133530#133530 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:00 PM PST US From: Mdkitfox@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: firewall penetration In a message dated 9/8/2007 6:53:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clemwehner@sbcglobal.net writes: What is the proper way to pass things like wires, hoses, and tubing through the firewall? Is it through simple rubber grommets, or is there a special fitting used? It seems to me the firewall must remain intact. If there were a fire, it could pass thru a plain rubber or plastic grommet. I used the Kitfox firewall blanket first then inserted a stainless steel eyeball for most pass thru's. For the rubber and plastic pass thru's I covered them all with high temp RTV. It may not keep all the fire out, but it would hopefully keep it to a minimum. Rick Weiss Series V Speedster - N39RW, 912S Power DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:35 PM PST US From: Harry Cieslar Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: SW ontario Flyin Sunday Dave: If weather is ok and you have no passenger, I would be happy to buy your gas and go with you. Harry. Otherwise may see you there. dave wrote: > > Might go, WX permitting of course [Rolling Eyes] > > September 9, St-Thomas, ON: St.Thomas Flight 75 annual fly-in drive-in breakfast. 8:a.m- 11:00 a.m. Lots of planes,antique cars ,great food and excellent company. Just $6.00 p.p. Email bassons@execulink.com. > > -------- > Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada > Flying Videos and Kitfox Info > http://www.cfisher.com/ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133393#133393 > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:26 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax 582 Fuel Burn From: "Mnflyer" To convert Daves figures to GPH divide by 3.8. 18 litres = 4.74 gallons 21 litres = 5.53 gallons GB -------- GB MNFlyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133541#133541 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:58 PM PST US From: "Frank Miles" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax 582 Fuel Burn Dave, I nope that means somewhere between 4.5 and 5 gallons per hour?? Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:22 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax 582 Fuel Burn 582 - 18 to 21 litres per hour at about 6000 rpm is what i get 5600 rpm you might see 16 to 17 litres per hour this is with stock Bing 54 carbs and stock needles with needle clips on 3rd notch from the top which I use this time of year. In winter i will drop the clip one notch which raises the needle and will increase your fuel burn by 10 - 15% to 20 to 23.5 litres/ hour. My EGts run in summer 1100 or so and in winter 1150 to 1200 and plugs loks great. I pitch prop for 6800 wide open straight and level and depending on prop the static could be 5900 (warp) , 6200 (gsc) to 6500 ( ivo ) plis a few inflight props i have will more adjustment. Hope this helps , -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133530#133530 3:18 PM 3:18 PM ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:06 PM PST US From: "Marin Streeter" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: firewall penetration Clem You should keep your firewall integrity at all times and use hardware that will help you maintain it. Check out Aircraft spruce for fire wall blankest and stainless steel firewall shields. Try the link bellow. Also talk to the local EAA chapter and see if they have any technical advisers. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ap/firewalls.html Marin Streeter -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of clemwehner Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: firewall penetration I'm installing my 912 in a KF IV and have a question that seems really dumb, but I can't find an answer in anything I've read. What is the proper way to pass things like wires, hoses, and tubing through the firewall? Is it through simple rubber grommets, or is there a special fitting used? thanks, Clem Wehner KFIV-912 Lawton, OK ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:56 PM PST US From: paul wilson Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: firewall penetration Special fitting is required. Never use rubber. As with all things electrical check out the archives of the aeroelectric list on matronics. This subject has been beat to death. Another resource are the Bingillis how to do books which are sold by EAA. Regards, Paul ======================= >On Behalf Of clemwehner >Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 3:51 PM >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: firewall penetration > >I'm installing my 912 in a KF IV and have a question that seems >really dumb, but I can't find an answer in anything I've read. > >What is the proper way to pass things like wires, hoses, and tubing >through the firewall? Is it through simple rubber grommets, or is >there a special fitting used? > >thanks, > >Clem Wehner >KFIV-912 >Lawton, OK ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:29 PM PST US From: "A Smith" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: firewall penetration and some I have to speak up here and give my opinion. I was in the shoes of the poor soul that should "god forgive me" ask the "Beat to death" question. So I did not ask a lot of questions. Wish I did anyway. Would have saved me a lot. Here is a hint for those wanting to build and those building that are lurking in the group. Go ahead and ask. We are not that busy that if it is asked a 1000 times, we won't answer. I will still answer it, and there are a lot of good people here that do not mind going over it again.How about school? New students, same questions. Not a problem. Do not let our completed projects elevate us to a higher level. So ask, no matter how simple or complex. Questions keep the mind alive, and the group. 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