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1. 12:04 AM - (Off Topic) Two is company, three is ... (Michel Verheughe)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: firewall penetration (Harold Flynn)
3. 06:15 AM - Re: firewall penetration (Wahlquist, Dave)
4. 07:20 AM - Re: fuel sight tube (Guy Buchanan)
5. 08:24 AM - Partial Anphib floats for a Piper Cub type (kitfoxjunky)
6. 09:10 AM - Re: Partial Anphib floats for a Piper Cub type (eskflyer)
7. 11:19 AM - Re: fuel sight tube (Barry West)
8. 01:25 PM - Re: firewall penetration (John W. Hart)
9. 01:50 PM - Hillsboro, IL airport being sold and closed (Phil Sisson)
10. 02:47 PM - Re: Hillsboro, IL airport being sold and closed (akflyer)
11. 04:41 PM - Re: Hillsboro, IL airport being sold and closed (kirk hull)
12. 05:36 PM - Re: firewall penetration and some (A Smith)
13. 06:38 PM - Re: Hillsboro, IL airport being sold and closed (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
14. 06:46 PM - Re: Partial Anphib floats for a Piper Cub type (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
15. 06:49 PM - Re: Hillsboro, IL airport being sold and closed (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
16. 09:18 PM - Cad (John Allen)
17. 10:38 PM - Update on Lowell Fitt (Michael Gibbs)
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| Subject: | (Off Topic) Two is company, three is ... |
Okay, I am jealous of you guys, over the big pond, who manage to have spendid Kitfox
fly-ins. I was to fly to Germany last week-end but weather prevented me
to do so. Instead, I decided to go and visit Geir-Olav who has just posted on
this list his new Kitfox with Jabiru. We live only one hour away from each other,
he on the north side of Oslo and me, on the south side.
So I went to see him on Sunday and had the pleasure to fly his model 4 with shorter
wings than my model 3. Same engine, same performance but ... he flies faster
than me. Not a surprise, really, his Vne is 20 MPH higher than mine.
Geir-Olav still needs a few hours with his instructor and then ... we will fly
together to Sweden and visit Lars-Goran who hosts the European Kitfox site.
Here is a photo of our two Kitfoxes, on a nice Sunday morning, somewhere in the
Norwegian countryside.
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/TwoFoxes.jpg
I also include a photo of Oslo, the capital of Norway. As you can see, it is a
very small town and the inhabitants don't have to go very long to find nature;
it is virtually at their doorstep. Also notice (red arrow) the Holmenkollen ski
jumping ramp. It was erected for the Olympics of 1952 and has since become
a visual landmark and a symbol for the town.
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Oslo.jpg
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: firewall penetration |
I looked in the manual and it does not address that subject. What I used was a
rubber grommet and a stainless steel firewall shield which I got from Aircraft
Spuce. They also sell nylon bulkhead seals for the same purpose. In the 2006-2007
catalog pages 135-294 and 436 you should find what you need
Barry West <barry@pgtc.com> wrote: Harold, I think your idea of referring
to FAA AC 43.13-1b is good but I just reviewed my copy and could not find information
on feeding through the firewall. Can you give me the section and page
number where I can find this?
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
From: Harold Flynn
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: firewall penetration
You should get FAA AC 43.13-1b Aircraft Inspection and Repair Manual. It's the
aircraft mechanics Bible. Published by Jeppesen. I think I paid about $20.00 For
it. Answered most of my questions when I built my S5. I'm now restoring a J3
cub. Couldn't do it right without this manual.
Barry West <barry@pgtc.com> wrote: I used the screw together electrical
fittings that are available from any electrical supply company. They have
rubber stoppers in them that can be split if needed to fit around tubes and wires
and are compressed with the outside nut. They also have a jam nut to firmly
attach to the firewall. This is not a good description but go to a supplier
and ask to see the feedthroughs that are used on junction boxes.
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
From: clemwehner
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:51 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: firewall penetration
I'm installing my 912 in a KF IV and have a question that seems really dumb,
but I can't find an answer in anything I've read.
What is the proper way to pass things like wires, hoses, and tubing through the
firewall? Is it through simple rubber grommets, or is there a special fitting
used?
thanks,
Clem Wehner
KFIV-912
Lawton, OK
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| Subject: | firewall penetration |
Hey all,
Sport Aviation Dec 2006 had a good article on firewall penetrations.
They did some great flame testing to prove out what worked best to keep
the fire and fumes on the engine side of the firewall.
Dave Wahlquist
Model 3 582 Wisconsin
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harold
Flynn
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: firewall penetration
I looked in the manual and it does not address that subject. What I used
was a rubber grommet and a stainless steel firewall shield which I got
from Aircraft Spuce. They also sell nylon bulkhead seals for the same
purpose. In the 2006-2007 catalog pages 135-294 and 436 you should find
what you need
Barry West <barry@pgtc.com> wrote:
Harold, I think your idea of referring to FAA AC 43.13-1b is good but I
just reviewed my copy and could not find information on feeding through
the firewall. Can you give me the section and page number where I can
find this?
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
From: Harold Flynn <mailto:hflynn46531@yahoo.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: firewall penetration
You should get FAA AC 43.13-1b Aircraft Inspection and Repair
Manual. It's the aircraft mechanics Bible. Published by Jeppesen. I
think I paid about $20.00 For it. Answered most of my questions when I
built my S5. I'm now restoring a J3 cub. Couldn't do it right without
this manual.
Barry West <barry@pgtc.com> wrote:
I used the screw together electrical fittings that are available
from any electrical supply company. They have rubber stoppers in them
that can be split if needed to fit around tubes and wires and are
compressed with the outside nut. They also have a jam nut to firmly
attach to the firewall. This is not a good description but go to a
supplier and ask to see the feedthroughs that are used on junction
boxes.
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
From: clemwehner <mailto:clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:51 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: firewall penetration
I'm installing my 912 in a KF IV and have a question
that seems really dumb, but I can't find an answer in anything I've
read.
What is the proper way to pass things like wires, hoses,
and tubing through the firewall? Is it through simple rubber grommets,
or is there a special fitting used?
thanks,
Clem Wehner
KFIV-912
Lawton, OK
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| Subject: | Re: fuel sight tube |
At 04:56 PM 9/10/2007, you wrote:
>Is there a better material to use that will not discolor?
I suppose it depends on what fuel you're using, but I've had good
results with the blue Bing alcohol resistant fuel line sold by
Aircraft Spruce. I'm using 100LL exclusively. Of course, being blue
it's a little harder to see through from the start, but it hasn't
changed color in a year of service.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Partial Anphib floats for a Piper Cub type |
Anyone ever seen any creative designs that would work on a 65HP Cub type
homebuilt. I have seen some dolly implementations, and I have witnessed
planes being launched from trailers pulled by a car or pickup truck...but
I was wondering if anyone has come across a partial anphib solution.
Something like removable wheels that could be taken off when someone lands
at a strip that has ramp access to water. The issue is getting the plane
up to float country, then back to the home base...which is on terra firma.
My buddy has straight floats for his Piper Cub, has a cottage up North,
but is based at an uncontrolled airport with paved runways.
Anyone come across something that would convert straight to partially
amphibious? I expect the answer is go quality or go home...but it never
hurts to ask.
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | Re: Partial Anphib floats for a Piper Cub type |
100 HP. and Full Lotus will do the trick for you land on anything except sand .
--------
FLY FUN FLY LOW FLY SLOW
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
582 cbox 2:62-1 IVO IFA
WHEELS NorthAire Floats
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| Subject: | Re: fuel sight tube |
I understand the blue Tygon works well with autogas also but I used
white Nylon tubing which is also hard to see through. My gage has
horizontal lines at each gallon mark and because the tube is at an angle
these lines are clearly visible perpendicular to the tube if there is
fuel in the tube and stay parallel to the airplane if there is no fuel
there. It really is easy to read to the next lower gallon mark. The
material seems to resist attack from the gas.
One of the orginal tubes, a brittle material, problably polycarbonate,
turned dark and cracked after about 4 years. I was taking off from
Oshkosh when gasoline started pouring out of the right wing all down the
side of the airplane. I called the tower and they cleared me right in,
went to the EAA maintenance area, replaced the tube with some Tygon and
got back in the air within an hour or so.
My wife was not happy!
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
From: Guy Buchanan
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: fuel sight tube
At 04:56 PM 9/10/2007, you wrote:
Is there a better material to use that will not discolor?
I suppose it depends on what fuel you're using, but I've had good
results with the blue Bing alcohol resistant fuel line sold by Aircraft
Spruce. I'm using 100LL exclusively. Of course, being blue it's a little
harder to see through from the start, but it hasn't changed color in a
year of service.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | firewall penetration |
The entire FAA Advisory Circular library, with all current changes, is
available on line at:
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/Ma
inFrame?OpenFrameSet
Just select how you would like them displayed from the links on the left
side of the page. For example,
clicking on "Current ACs" presents sub-list that has: By Number
By Date
By FAR, CAR, SFAR Part
Clicking on "By Number" presents the ACs in numerical order. This
link will display the list numerically:
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.
nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet
There are several pages to the list. Clicking either "Next" at the
top of the list, or "MORE" at the bottom will
take you to the next page of the list.
Each AC can be saved to your hard drive, put on a CD or any other way
you would like to save them for reference without internet connection.
John Hart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harold Flynn
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:08 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: firewall penetration
You should get FAA AC 43.13-1b Aircraft Inspection and Repair Manual. It's
the aircraft mechanics Bible. Published by Jeppesen. I think I paid about
$20.00 For it. Answered most of my questions when I built my S5. I'm now
restoring a J3 cub. Couldn't do it right without this manual.
Barry West <barry@pgtc.com> wrote:
I used the screw together electrical fittings that are available from
any electrical supply company. They have rubber stoppers in them that can
be split if needed to fit around tubes and wires and are compressed with the
outside nut. They also have a jam nut to firmly attach to the firewall.
This is not a good description but go to a supplier and ask to see the
feedthroughs that are used on junction boxes.
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
From: clemwehner
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:51 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: firewall penetration
I'm installing my 912 in a KF IV and have a question that seems really
dumb, but I can't find an answer in anything I've read.
What is the proper way to pass things like wires, hoses, and tubing
through the firewall? Is it through simple rubber grommets, or is there a
special fitting used?
thanks,
Clem Wehner
KFIV-912
Lawton, OK
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| Subject: | Hillsboro, IL airport being sold and closed |
The following came to me last night from Ray who lives in Hillsboro and has
a Mustang II. This is a small grass field airport with about ten planes
based there. Phil in Litchfield
.................................
I am writing to ask you to help us keep the Hillsboro Airport (3K4) open.
The city council has in the space of a few days announced that they agreed
to negotiate the sale of the airport property to a coal company, and that
they will take action on the sale at Tuesday's council meeting at 7:00 pm,
all with no discussion with the Airport Board, the hangar renters/aircraft
owners on the field, or the public.
Please take a couple of minutes to go to this link to the local newspaper
site and vote anonymously in their online poll.....
http://www.thejournal-news.net/news/
scroll down near the bottom, left side of page. Please vote NO only once,
but feel free to forward this to any other aviation fans you know. We may
not be successful, but I would like them to HEAR US. Maybe we can lock up
the website........
Thanks for your support.
Ray Dorf, Hillsboro Airport Board member
Sorry about the short notice, I just learned about the poll a short time
ago.
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| Subject: | Re: Hillsboro, IL airport being sold and closed |
you got a NO vote from me. Looks like the VAST majority don't want the sale.
I hope you get to keep the airport, I know what it is like to loose an airfield
and it sucks!
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Hillsboro, IL airport being sold and closed |
Contact the EAA
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Sisson
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:48 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Hillsboro, IL airport being sold and closed
The following came to me last night from Ray who lives in Hillsboro and has
a Mustang II. This is a small grass field airport with about ten planes
based there. Phil in Litchfield
.................................
I am writing to ask you to help us keep the Hillsboro Airport (3K4) open.
The city council has in the space of a few days announced that they agreed
to negotiate the sale of the airport property to a coal company, and that
they will take action on the sale at Tuesday's council meeting at 7:00 pm,
all with no discussion with the Airport Board, the hangar renters/aircraft
owners on the field, or the public.
Please take a couple of minutes to go to this link to the local newspaper
site and vote anonymously in their online poll.....
http://www.thejournal-news.net/news/
scroll down near the bottom, left side of page. Please vote NO only once,
but feel free to forward this to any other aviation fans you know. We may
not be successful, but I would like them to HEAR US. Maybe we can lock up
the website........
Thanks for your support.
Ray Dorf, Hillsboro Airport Board member
Sorry about the short notice, I just learned about the poll a short time
ago.
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| Subject: | Re: firewall penetration and some |
I finally got the cooling problem fixed. That caused some aerodynamic
balance problems. I am going to have to redesign the cooling system
radiator locations or find some different powerplant. To bad, the
cowlings turned out very nice. The family is fine and we are still RC
racing like we had nothing else to do.
Albert Smith
5TD NSI turbo CAP
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| Subject: | Re: Hillsboro, IL airport being sold and closed |
In a message dated 9/11/2007 4:52:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
sisson@consolidated.net writes:
Phil in Litchfield
Phil,
Thanks for the heads up! After I voted the count was 583 against -40 for
(or 98% against selling and 6% for selling.) That's pretty impressive, but
will it make a difference? Let us know what the City Council does. With a vote
like that they should be impeached if they sell the airport. (Of course we
know what good impeachment does .)
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster - N39RW, 912S Power
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| Subject: | Re: Partial Anphib floats for a Piper Cub type |
my buddy bolts a set of wheels to full lotus floats then takes off lands on
water then takes them off to do water flying then he puts them back on at
the end of the day and fly's off water to land on land again he puts the
wheel,s between the floats. he fly's a max air drifter.
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| Subject: | Re: Hillsboro, IL airport being sold and closed |
In a message dated 9/11/2007 4:52:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
sisson@consolidated.net writes:
am writing to ask you to help us keep the Hillsboro Airport (3K4) open.
Phil,
I also took the liberty of sending the email to EAA's Government Affairs
Office. Perhaps they can help. I used to work for them and given sufficient
notice they can sometimes 'educate' the elected officials. Let's hope for the
best.
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster - N39RW, 912S Power
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| Subject: | Update on Lowell Fitt |
Hi all,
I received an e-mail from Lowell Fitt tonight and he asked that I
pass along the latest news.
Lowell was released from the hospital this morning. Both he and Kay
are doing well and the doctors do not expect any permanent impact on
their health. Due to his back injury, he's limited to 30 minutes at
a time in a chair so responses to any posts will come slowly if at
all.
Lowell has two compression fractures in the last thoracic and first
lumbar vertebrae, a fairly badly sprained ankle and a cut thumb.
He'll have to wear a back brace for three months, a couple of weeks
of which have already passed. The brace provides considerable
mobility while limiting his ability to further damage his spine.
Kay has a fracture in her cervical area and is wearing a collar. She
also has a puncture wound in her leg that left metal fragments
against the bone and a broken thumb.
As has been reported by others, Lowell said that it was a
precautionary landing initiated because of a drop to zero oil
pressure. By all accounts, it was a successful one. He and Kay
exited the airplane on their own, there was no fire, and emergency
personnel were on scene in minutes.
Mike G., Kitfox List Moderator
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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