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1. 02:03 AM - Exhaust parts 582 (Christoph Graf)
2. 04:00 AM - Re: Exhaust parts 582 (dave)
3. 05:29 AM - Re: Exhaust parts 582 (Guy Buchanan)
4. 06:30 AM - Firewall (Herbert Doud)
5. 06:43 AM - Re: Exhaust parts 582 (dave)
6. 07:42 AM - Re: Firewall (john oakley)
7. 09:10 AM - Re: Firewall (paul wilson)
8. 09:30 AM - Re: Firewall (john oakley)
9. 11:15 AM - Re: Exhaust parts 582 (dave)
10. 01:30 PM - Static port location??? what works best??? (SUE MICHAELS)
11. 02:44 PM - Test. (icaza francisco)
12. 04:15 PM - Re: Crash Followup (Lowell Fitt)
13. 04:23 PM - Re: Firewall (Noel Loveys)
14. 05:09 PM - Re: Hillsboro, IL airport being sold and closed (GONER752@aol.com)
15. 05:10 PM - Re: simple question, hard answer IRON FOR SHRINKING (cjswa)
16. 06:00 PM - Re: Crash Followup (Fred Shiple)
17. 06:48 PM - Re: Crash Followup (jerry evans)
18. 07:44 PM - Re: simple question, hard answer IRON FOR SHRINKING (justpdc@aol.com)
19. 08:14 PM - Re: Crash Followup (ron schick)
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| Subject: | Exhaust parts 582 |
Dear all
Can anyone tell me where I can find this exhaust muffler for 582?
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1077647236
Christoph
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust parts 582 |
Christopher,
I have a similar exhaust on my Kitfox IV. I am pretty sure that is a stock Rotax
exhaust. It is called the "rear "exhaust model.
The cone has been cut and rotated just over 90 degrees.
I think the Elbow is the stock Rotax part, but the "y" pipe is a little shorter
than a stock 582 one. ( about 1 1/2 " ) This was done to make this exhaust
work under the cowl and I have heard that is might cost about 4 or 5 HP although
I have never seen a dyno sheet to prove that.
The outlet has been extended from stock as well to hang low out the bottom of the
Kitfox. This outlet pipe has less effect on length that does the cone that
has been altered.
Your total length from exhaust port to the Rotax muffler canister is very important.
Changing this length will likely effect your performance and give you flat
spots in different power settings so be forewarned.
That being said , I am sure you could get another 10 to 30 HP out of your 582 but
at the cost of doing your own R & D and that could cost alot engine parts.
Rotax has spent millions on this and the stock exhaust does seem to make the
engines very reliable with a good power band at the rpms we use.
Where to buy ? I am not sure but check with John Mc Bean. If he does not have
I will make you one but the cost will be based on what i get a used stock pipe
for.
Watch for FWF packages for sale from a Kitfox and see if they will part out the
exhaust.
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134026#134026
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust parts 582 |
At 02:02 AM 9/12/2007, you wrote:
>Can anyone tell me where I can find this exhaust muffler for 582?
As far as I know, the Y, elbow, and muffler were all Rotax
parts modified by Skystar. The Y appears to have been shortened, the
elbow shortened and tightened, and the muffler was a 180 degree unit
that was cut and welded to turn double 90 at right angles plus the
outlet was replaced with an elbow and extension to clear the bottom.
Ask John McBean at KitfoxLLC, but I'll bet you'll have to
have one fabricated. Dave's already given you some guidelines, but
watch the 660mm from exhaust flange to muffler box. (Look at the 582
installation manual on line.)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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Kitfoxers.................I gotta question.........
With all the messages about proper and safe firewall transition, it got
me ti thinking. (Dangerous!)
I didn't build my Kitfox....Too dang old..........So I'm not too
knowledgeable in the building process.
Why do all of the Kitfoxes that I've seen have the insulation blanket
on the engine side of the firewall instead of the cockpit side of the
firewall? Every GA plane that I've owned or seen, the insulation is
always on the cockpit side, which makes sense to me. On the engine
side, it's exposed to engine fluids and eventually over time, it's
possible for engine fluids to gather in the padding. That could pose a
fire hazzard.
There's probably a logical answer to my query, but I not going to tax
what's left of my brain cells, trying to answer the question. I'll let
someone else's brain cells work on this.
Herbert Doud
Kitfox IV
582
New Braunfels, Tx
Green eyes
Brown Hair (with skin color)
5 ft 11 inches (stooped)
80 summers old
3 smart alec kids
8 grrandchildren
dammit...that's enough!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust parts 582 |
Guy, Do you have a link for this length ?
660mm = about 26 " - I thought is was about 28" but I forget now .
a few inches can have a big effect.
Dave
> Dave's already given you some guidelines, but
> watch the 660mm from exhaust flange to muffler box. (Look at the 582
> installation manual on line.)
>
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134040#134040
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Herbert,
I too struggled with the firewall blanket, and installed mine on the inside.
It looks better there and is not a fire problem. The ones I have seen on the
inside collect oil and dirt and wrinkle up from heat after a while. I did
not place my firewall in the pocket either, but used a rubber seal.
john
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herbert Doud
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:29 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Firewall
Kitfoxers.................I gotta question.........
With all the messages about proper and safe firewall transition, it got me
ti thinking. (Dangerous!)
I didn't build my Kitfox....Too dang old..........So I'm not too
knowledgeable in the building process.
Why do all of the Kitfoxes that I've seen have the insulation blanket on
the engine side of the firewall instead of the cockpit side of the firewall?
Every GA plane that I've owned or seen, the insulation is always on the
cockpit side, which makes sense to me. On the engine side, it's exposed to
engine fluids and eventually over time, it's possible for engine fluids to
gather in the padding. That could pose a fire hazzard.
There's probably a logical answer to my query, but I not going to tax what's
left of my brain cells, trying to answer the question. I'll let someone
else's brain cells work on this.
Herbert Doud
Kitfox IV
582
New Braunfels, Tx
Green eyes
Brown Hair (with skin color)
5 ft 11 inches (stooped)
80 summers old
3 smart alec kids
8 grrandchildren
dammit...that's enough!!!
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Blasphemy to challenge the factory design!!
IMO, Your observations are right on. Padding on the engine side.
Really a bad idea IMO. Its a lot of work to put it on the other side.
Leave it off and you will be happy like a lot of others. I bet you
can remove it without to much trouble. I did not even buy the
padding. Several of my buddies just threw the padding away. The
consensus was that it served no purpose. Wont make the plane quieter,
insignificant change in the heat load.
Without the padding there may be an issue of sealing the firewall to
the cowl,?? Nobody I know had a problem improvising a good seal.
Paul
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At 07:29 AM 9/12/2007, Herbert Doud wrote:
>Kitfoxers.................I gotta question.........
>
>With all the messages about proper and safe firewall transition, it
>got me ti thinking. (Dangerous!)
>
>I didn't build my Kitfox....Too dang old..........So I'm not too
>knowledgeable in the building process.
>
> Why do all of the Kitfoxes that I've seen have the insulation
> blanket on the engine side of the firewall instead of the cockpit
> side of the firewall? Every GA plane that I've owned or seen, the
> insulation is always on the cockpit side, which makes sense to
> me. On the engine side, it's exposed to engine fluids and
> eventually over time, it's possible for engine fluids to gather in
> the padding. That could pose a fire hazzard.
>
>There's probably a logical answer to my query, but I not going to
>tax what's left of my brain cells, trying to answer the
>question. I'll let someone else's brain cells work on this.
>
>Herbert Doud
>Kitfox IV
>582
>New Braunfels, Tx
>Green eyes
>Brown Hair (with skin color)
>5 ft 11 inches (stooped)
>80 summers old
>3 smart alec kids
>8 grrandchildren
>dammit...that's enough!!!
>
>
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The firewall thing can be beat to death, but, you still have fiberglass
cowlings and fabric. We did have one of our fox's with an in flight fire a
few years ago. I wonder if he is still on the group to talk a little.
John Oakley
Fox 4 long and short
912ul - cap
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paul wilson
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Firewall
Blasphemy to challenge the factory design!!
IMO, Your observations are right on. Padding on the engine side. Really a
bad idea IMO. Its a lot of work to put it on the other side. Leave it off
and you will be happy like a lot of others. I bet you can remove it without
to much trouble. I did not even buy the padding. Several of my buddies just
threw the padding away. The consensus was that it served no purpose. Wont
make the plane quieter, insignificant change in the heat load.
Without the padding there may be an issue of sealing the firewall to the
cowl,?? Nobody I know had a problem improvising a good seal.
Paul
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At 07:29 AM 9/12/2007, Herbert Doud wrote:
Kitfoxers.................I gotta question.........
With all the messages about proper and safe firewall transition, it got me
ti thinking. (Dangerous!)
I didn't build my Kitfox....Too dang old..........So I'm not too
knowledgeable in the building process.
Why do all of the Kitfoxes that I've seen have the insulation blanket on
the engine side of the firewall instead of the cockpit side of the firewall?
Every GA plane that I've owned or seen, the insulation is always on the
cockpit side, which makes sense to me. On the engine side, it's exposed to
engine fluids and eventually over time, it's possible for engine fluids to
gather in the padding. That could pose a fire hazzard.
There's probably a logical answer to my query, but I not going to tax what's
left of my brain cells, trying to answer the question. I'll let someone
else's brain cells work on this.
Herbert Doud
Kitfox IV
582
New Braunfels, Tx
Green eyes
Brown Hair (with skin color)
5 ft 11 inches (stooped)
80 summers old
3 smart alec kids
8 grrandchildren
dammit...that's enough!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust parts 582 |
Guy, I finally got around to looking i up ...
you were right, 26" it is Now has anyone measured theirs > ?
That is from flange on Y pipe to the Canister of mufler thru the centreline of
the exhaust .
Dave
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134072#134072
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| Subject: | Static port location??? what works best??? |
Putting a static port in wing near pitot is no longer an option. I would kind of
like to put a threaded backing plate somewhere with hose attached and then screw
the port after fabric placement. What size hole is the port opening drilled
at if I must make my own? Would attaching the port to the back of the door
frame at the junction of the stringer work? That would be easy and easier to get
to at a later date, possible one on each side.
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Test.
S un mejor ambientalista!
Encuentra consejos para cuidar el lugar donde vivimos.
http://mx.yahoo.com/promos/mejorambientalista.html
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Followup |
Michel, My Friend,
As Michel Gibbs reported, I can't spend too much time in front of the
computer, but wamted to report that I returned home just after noon yesterdy
and within a couple of yours, your flowers arrved. So beautiful, and so
thoughtful from so far away, but yet so close.
It was a bit frightening being home and away from all the professionals at
the hospital. The flowers couldn't have been more timely.
Thank you so very much,
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>
> On Aug 30, 2007, at 6:36 PM, royall merill wrote:
>> Both are conscious and are being treated for moderate injuries.
>
> Good Lord! I don't know what to say ... if you can, please keep us
> informed about their health; the reason of the crash and circumstances can
> wait!
>
> Michel
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
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Guys:
I got this earlier this evening from Dave Herron who is I believe restoring
a model II in NS. I hope some one around here or the other site will be
able to help.
FYI canultra is a Canadian ultralight group.
Noel,
Do you know any homebuilders in central Nova Scotia?
kitfox or Volksplane
I am on an ugly internet connection and its too hard to surf those sites.
I had a contact with VW plane guy somehwere near valley or Annapolis...BTW
it got lost on my system back home.
We are here near Greenwood Airport for a few days. So if you can put a
holler on canultra or kitfox sites for contact it might help out.
The comments about Sub help me long range planning. TX
Please RSVP to;
<mailto:drherron@sympatico.ca> drherron@sympatico.ca
My Yahoo is aup to five minutes to never, then why am I using it - my
canultra comes thru on it...
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| Subject: | Re: Hillsboro, IL airport being sold and closed |
Ray,
I attempted to cast a no vote for you, however, the link provided on the
newspapers site led to the energy company's apparent PR page. No polling to be
found. Sorry. I sincerely wish you luck in keeping the airfield open. It is a
shame, for every time we hear of another small field lost, lost also is the
potential for sparking an interest in aviation in both the young and not so
young.( I earned my ticket 3 years ago at the tender age of 45) Small fields
are where a lot of dreams begin. I think most people could see themselves at
the controls in that beautiful little GA parked over there just off the strip,
rather than that airliner parked on the concrete at the gate, waiting for
someone else to fly them to their next destination. On that note, I would
encourage anyone who hasn't already, join your local EAA chapter, and get involved
with the Young Eagles program. It's really an investment in our future.
After all, if there were more pilots, then perhaps there would be more
sympathetic interests in keeping our fields of dreams. That's my 2.5 cents.
Cheers,
Greg G.
Macedon, N.Y.
23NK
n375KL
Mod 2
582
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: simple question, hard answer IRON FOR SHRINKING |
Dave,
I tried a lot of irons about 4 years ago before I found one that held
temperature accurately. The best I found was a Sunbeam Model 3980, which is
just a basic iron that I bought at WalMart for about $10. For the tighter
areas I used a Black Baron iron (from AC Spruce and others) which holds
temperature very accurately.
Bill Anderson
Brentwood, NH
Model IV - 1050
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:54 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: simple question, hard answer IRON FOR SHRINKING
>
> I've tried several of the irons available locally and the wife's old Black
> and Decker. Is there an iron available most everywhere (I'm in Canada)
> that will perform within the alotted temp ranges? I've found that far from
> 15 deg, most fluctuate almost 60 deg.
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Followup |
Lowell,
Glad to see you're out of the hospital. I sincerely hope you have
a speedy recovery.
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Followup |
Lowell
So glad to see your both home hope you a fast recovery had both of you in our
prayers Jerry
Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Lowell,
Glad to see you're out of the hospital. I sincerely hope you have
a speedy recovery.
Fred
Jerry Evans
96% done 582
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
kitfox 555
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| Subject: | Re: simple question, hard answer IRON FOR SHRINKING |
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Followup |
Good Landing Lowell! Glad you and Kay are still with us. Ron NB Ore
>From: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Crash Followup
>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:59:29 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Lowell,
> Glad to see you're out of the hospital. I sincerely hope you have
> a speedy recovery.
> Fred
>
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