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1. 04:03 AM - 912S Oil and Water cooling issues (arholland)
2. 04:08 AM - Lift Strut Fairiings (arholland)
3. 05:04 AM - Re: Strut fairing questions. (arholland)
4. 05:53 AM - Re: Re: Strut fairing questions. (Dave G.)
5. 06:21 AM - Re: Re: Strut fairing questions. (john oakley)
6. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Strut fairing questions. (Wahlquist, Dave)
7. 07:08 AM - Re: Exhaust parts 582 (dave)
8. 07:10 AM - Re: Strut fairing questions. (dave)
9. 07:26 AM - Re: Strut fairing questions. (Tom Jones)
10. 07:57 AM - Re: Light-Sport Pilots license (Rhino)
11. 08:35 AM - Re: Crash Followup (Michael Gibbs)
12. 08:35 AM - Re: Crash Followup (Marco Menezes)
13. 08:38 AM - Re: Firewall (Michael Gibbs)
14. 09:45 AM - Re: Static port location??? what works best??? (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
15. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: Strut fairing questions. (jdmcbean)
16. 01:12 PM - Re: (Off Topic) Two is company, three is ... (skyring)
17. 02:30 PM - Re: Re: (Off Topic) Two is company, three is ... (Michel Verheughe)
18. 03:34 PM - Lowell back on deck (Noel Loveys)
19. 04:02 PM - Re: 912S Oil and Water cooling issues (Clint Bazzill)
20. 09:59 PM - Re: Re: Strut fairing questions. (paul wilson)
21. 09:59 PM - Re: 912S Oil and Water cooling issues (paul wilson)
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| Subject: | 912S Oil and Water cooling issues |
I have a Kitfox Lite Squared. It is the same as the classic 4 except with a smooth
cowl and is a tricycle. It has the GSC 3 blade prop. It has the 912S engine
and has about 110 hours. My CHT runs about 230 and my oil temp runs about
230. I was running the waterless coolant and have switched to Prestone Dex-cool.
With the Dex-cool it runs a little cooler on the CHT but the oil temp is
still high. Also when the engine is at idle the oil pressure runs about 60psi,
however when I am at cruise the oil pressure fluctuates between about 40psi
and 60psi. Does anyone have any ideas to get the cooling under control and
what could be causing the oil pressure fluctuations?
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Allen Holland
Munford, TN
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| Subject: | Lift Strut Fairiings |
Does anyone know where I can get some of the original kitfox lift strut fairings?
I built the Lite Squared and it didn't come with any of the speed type fairings.
If someone out there got them with their kit and are not going to use them I would
love to buy them.
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Allen Holland
Munford, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Strut fairing questions. |
I am looking for strut fairings for my kitfox as well. Does Kitfox aircraft have
them listed on their website somewhere?
One person in the email chain said they just snapped them on, not covering, no
paint, nothing. Where did you get the snap on fairings?
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Allen Holland
Munford, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Strut fairing questions. |
I'm sure John M will answer this with the definitve answer but I think they
now or shortly will have a similar to original wood fairing kit that will
require glueing and covering as the originals did. I will want them sooner
or later. The really great thing about this from my perpspective is that
they can be cut to shorter lengths and shipped. Try that with a one piece
plastic fairing
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
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----- Original Message -----
From: "arholland" <arholland@bigriver.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairing questions.
>
> I am looking for strut fairings for my kitfox as well. Does Kitfox
> aircraft have them listed on their website somewhere?
>
> One person in the email chain said they just snapped them on, not
> covering, no paint, nothing. Where did you get the snap on fairings?
>
> --------
> Allen Holland
> Munford, TN
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Strut fairing questions. |
Dave,
I will need to get out my paperwork, but many of us did some speed checks
when we were playing with fairings. The wood kit supplied by kitfox was an
improvement of about 4.5 mph. When we went to the snap on fairings that
kitfox, started supplying our improvement over stock round tube was 8 to 9
miles better. It actually made the whole plane feel different. I used to fly
the plane full throttle down to the surface and it would slow down and land
in a hurry, now I have to think about how to slow it down.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairing questions.
I'm sure John M will answer this with the definitve answer but I think they
now or shortly will have a similar to original wood fairing kit that will
require glueing and covering as the originals did. I will want them sooner
or later. The really great thing about this from my perpspective is that
they can be cut to shorter lengths and shipped. Try that with a one piece
plastic fairing
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "arholland" <arholland@bigriver.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairing questions.
>
> I am looking for strut fairings for my kitfox as well. Does Kitfox
> aircraft have them listed on their website somewhere?
>
> One person in the email chain said they just snapped them on, not
> covering, no paint, nothing. Where did you get the snap on fairings?
>
> --------
> Allen Holland
> Munford, TN
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134168#134168
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| Subject: | Re: Strut fairing questions. |
Does anyone have experience with removing the wood and fabric fairings?
How well are they glued on?
I assume you don't want to do any scraping or grinding on the struts.
Maybe if you are going to the snap on ones you just need to clean up
well enough to allow the new ones to slip on and not bind or scrape?
Dave Wahlquist
Model 3 582
Marshall,WI
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john oakley
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:21 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairing questions.
Dave,
I will need to get out my paperwork, but many of us did some speed
checks
when we were playing with fairings. The wood kit supplied by kitfox was
an
improvement of about 4.5 mph. When we went to the snap on fairings that
kitfox, started supplying our improvement over stock round tube was 8 to
9
miles better. It actually made the whole plane feel different. I used to
fly
the plane full throttle down to the surface and it would slow down and
land
in a hurry, now I have to think about how to slow it down.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairing questions.
I'm sure John M will answer this with the definitve answer but I think
they
now or shortly will have a similar to original wood fairing kit that
will
require glueing and covering as the originals did. I will want them
sooner
or later. The really great thing about this from my perpspective is that
they can be cut to shorter lengths and shipped. Try that with a one
piece
plastic fairing
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "arholland" <arholland@bigriver.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairing questions.
<arholland@bigriver.net>
>
> I am looking for strut fairings for my kitfox as well. Does Kitfox
> aircraft have them listed on their website somewhere?
>
> One person in the email chain said they just snapped them on, not
> covering, no paint, nothing. Where did you get the snap on fairings?
>
> --------
> Allen Holland
> Munford, TN
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134168#134168
>
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust parts 582 |
Well, I went out last night and changed my exhaust to closer to Stock ROTAX specs
.
So far -- a few test flights in this am and results are positive.
Quite likely the alterations that Skystar actually did cut some HP from the 582
as suspected. Proof is there now, to tweak a bit more and see if more can be
had :)
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Strut fairing questions. |
John, what is the difference in chord of the fairings that helped gain that extra
speed ?
What speeds do you get wide open straight and level ?
Dave
> The wood kit supplied by kitfox was an
> improvement of about 4.5 mph. When we went to the snap on fairings that
> kitfox, started supplying our improvement over stock round tube was 8 to 9
> miles better. It actually made the whole plane feel different.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Strut fairing questions. |
> Does anyone have experience with removing the wood and fabric fairings?
> How well are they glued on?
I have not removed fairing from the struts but have removed lots of other parts
glued on. The wood fairing are attached with 3M epoxy. It will soften with
heat from a heat gun. You can use a plastic or wood scraper to remove the residual
epoxy from the struts.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Light-Sport Pilots license |
dcsfoto wrote:
> the FAA has been ask and agrees that putting the switch in a location that can
only be reached on the ground is ok
>
> David
I would be interested in seeing a source for that.
The sticking point is in 14 CFR Part 1.1, where it says "Light-sport aircraft means
an aircraft, other than a helicopter or powered-lift that, since its original
certification, has continued to meet the following:...(7) A fixed or ground-adjustable
propeller if a powered aircraft other than a powered glider."
It seems pretty clear that the restriction is permanent, even if an aircraft is
later physically brought back into LSA compliance. However, the phrase "since
its original certification" seems to indicate that this restriction may be intended
for certified aircraft only. I would love to see an authoritative (FAA)
source state emphatically whether or not this permanent restriction also applies
to amateur built experimentals. There are many differing opinions about this
on the internet, but I have yet to see anything from the FAA that states the
case in no uncertain terms.
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Followup |
Lowell sez:
>It was a bit frightening being home and away from all the
>professionals at the hospital. The flowers couldn't have been more
>timely.
I felt the same way when they sent me home, Lowell. Questions like,
"How am I going to..." and "What if..." kept going through my mind.
Fortunately, you can probably also trust their professional judgement
that it's OK for you to go home.
Unless, of course, it was only because your insurance ran out. :-)
Mike G., Kitfox List Moderator
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Followup |
Amen to that.
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Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Lowell,
Glad to see you're out of the hospital. I sincerely hope you have
a speedy recovery.
Fred
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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Herbert sez:
>Why do all of the Kitfoxes that I've seen have the insulation
>blanket on the engine side of the firewall instead of the cockpit
>side of the firewall?
My Model IV had the insulation on the cabin side of the firewall, but
I did not use the factory-supplied blanket. Instead, I used a thick,
dense, fire-resistant foam that was glued to the firewall in sections
between the steel tubes. I don't know if it helped with noise much
because these little 'foxes are the noisiest things I've flown, but
it looked really nice and I liked it. :-)
Mike G. Kitfox List Moderator
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Static port location??? what works best??? |
the placement of the static port involves more than the supporting of the material
used. I understand that some effort was expended in locating the port on the
airframe of the Series IV where it would be least affected by changing air
pressures. The location selected is detailed in the plans for the static port
assembly from the factory and is located ahead of and below the leading edge
of the horizontal stabilizer.
the most harrowing flight I have had in my 'Fox was the day that I disconnect the
static line at the panel so that I was sensing cabin environment. The instruments
were not showing any of the numbers I was accustomed to and I finally
abandoned all referrence to instuments and landed by the seat of my pants. I
guess that I could have flown a complete new stall profile with the new numbers
but I wanted to get on the ground. "Get there syndrome", maybe so....
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
From: SUE MICHAELS <michaega@verizon.net>
Putting a static port in wing near pitot is no longer an option. I would kind of
like to put a threaded backing plate somewhere with hose attached and then screw
the port after fabric placement. What size hole is the port opening drilled
at if I must make my own? Would attaching the port to the back of the door
frame at the junction of the stringer work? That would be easy and easier to get
to at a later date, possible one on each side.
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<DIV>the placement of the static port involves more than the supporting of the
material used. I understand that some effort was expended in locating the port
on the airframe of the Series IV where it would be least affected by changing
air pressures. The location selected is detailed in the plans for the static
port assembly from the factory and is located ahead of and below the leading
edge of the horizontal stabilizer.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>the most harrowing flight I have had in my 'Fox was the day that I disconnect
the static line at the panel so that I was sensing cabin environment.
The instruments were not showing any of the numbers I was accustomed to and
I finally abandoned all referrence to instuments and landed by the seat of my
pants. I guess that I could have flown a complete new stall profile with
the new numbers but I wanted to get on the ground. "Get there syndrome",
maybe so....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Kerr</DIV>
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<michaega@verizon.net> <BR>Putting a static port in wing near pitot is
no longer an option. I would kind of like to put a threaded backing plate somewhere
with hose attached and then screw the port after fabric placement. What
size hole is the port opening drilled at if I must make my own? Would attaching
the port to the back of the door frame at the junction of the stringer
work? That would be easy and easier to get to at a later date, possible one
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| Subject: | Re: Strut fairing questions. |
Regarding lift strut fairings...
Some of you will remember the original wood style fairings.. The install was
fairly simple and very easy to work with even after the aircraft is flying.
The PVC Fairings were introduced and while they offered a more true airfoil
shape they also added significant weight. They are also very time consuming
to install nicely as they have a 2 ridges on each side of them that should
be sanded down. The aluminum cuff on the end also created some challenges.
That being said we have chosen to look back and re-introduce the wood...
although a little different. We have chosen Balsa as the medium to use for
several reasons.. believe it or not strength is one, ease of install and
sanding, and the other is weight. The 2 lift struts weighed in at almost
14 lbs difference from the PVC to the Balsa and the Balsa is stronger.
Speed differences between the 2 is negligible. The new Balsa fairings
maintain the correct proportions to the diameter of the tube. We have seen
and had reported from 8 to 14 mph difference with either style.
The Strut fairings will also include the horizontal lift strut pieces as
well for the single horizontal support tubes.
We have not introduced these officially yet as we need to develop the
installation instructions for them.. However, they are ordered and should be
in stock hopefully by months end.
Installation is pretty straight forward. Bond, shape, seal, cover &
paint... :)
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairing questions.
I'm sure John M will answer this with the definitve answer but I think they
now or shortly will have a similar to original wood fairing kit that will
require glueing and covering as the originals did. I will want them sooner
or later. The really great thing about this from my perpspective is that
they can be cut to shorter lengths and shipped. Try that with a one piece
plastic fairing
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "arholland" <arholland@bigriver.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairing questions.
>
> I am looking for strut fairings for my kitfox as well. Does Kitfox
> aircraft have them listed on their website somewhere?
>
> One person in the email chain said they just snapped them on, not
> covering, no paint, nothing. Where did you get the snap on fairings?
>
> --------
> Allen Holland
> Munford, TN
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134168#134168
>
>
11:45 AM
11:45 AM
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| Subject: | Re: (Off Topic) Two is company, three is ... |
Michel next time you're looking at Lars European kitfox site check out OE-AMJ.
It's the one I've been working on for the past four years. It will, I hope, soon
be flying off to some European fly-ins. Sooner or later we European Kitfoxers
have to get together for a big event. I'm just waiting on the mandatory test
hours to be flown off. Cheers. Kerry.
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| Subject: | Re: (Off Topic) Two is company, three is ... |
Hello Kerry,
On Sep 13, 2007, at 10:11 PM, skyring wrote:
> Sooner or later we European Kitfoxers have to get together for a big
> event. I'm just waiting on the mandatory test hours to be flown off.
I agree! We have so much to learn from looking at each other's aircraft.
Your S5 looks very nice but with 357 kg empty weight, you fly it under
the experimental rule, don't you? In Norway, we don't accept
ultralights heavier than 275 kg empty. My model 3 is only 236 kg empty
so it is much easier to fly it as an ultralight since it's much less
paperwork. The only limitation is that we can't fly "on-top," but
that's not a real problem. In a couple of occasions, with very low
ceiling or fog patches, I had no other choice than to fly over the
clouds but ... there is no one there to check my license! :-)
The limitation for no-on-top is the fact that our engines are not
certified and we must always fly with a possible emergency landing
place in sight.
Anyway, let's stay tuned to Lars-Goran homepage; there will be Kitfox
fly-ins in the future.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Lowell back on deck |
Glad to see you are getting back on deck.
They say close only counts in horseshoes and atom bombs..... I'll bet you
have revised views on that one.
Good to have you back.
Noel
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| Subject: | 912S Oil and Water cooling issues |
Thats strange. My problem is getting things warm enough. Model IV-1200 wi
th oil cooler. 1250 hours. Clint> Subject: Kitfox-List: 912S Oil and Wat
er cooling issues> From: arholland@bigriver.net> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:
03:05 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-List message poste
d by: "arholland" <arholland@bigriver.net>> > I have a Kitfox Lite Squared.
It is the same as the classic 4 except with a smooth cowl and is a tricycl
e. It has the GSC 3 blade prop. It has the 912S engine and has about 110 ho
urs. My CHT runs about 230 and my oil temp runs about 230. I was running th
e waterless coolant and have switched to Prestone Dex-cool. With the Dex-co
ol it runs a little cooler on the CHT but the oil temp is still high. Also
when the engine is at idle the oil pressure runs about 60psi, however when
I am at cruise the oil pressure fluctuates between about 40psi and 60psi. D
oes anyone have any ideas to get the cooling under control and what could b
e causing the oil pressure fluctuations?> > --------> Allen Holland> Munfor
d, TN> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/
==> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Strut fairing questions. |
John,
How close in the balsa compared to the old pine/fir ones used previously?
It looks like it might have a slightly longer chord?
Thanks, Paul
=========================
At 01:35 PM 9/13/2007, you wrote:
>Regarding lift strut fairings...
>
>Some of you will remember the original wood style fairings.. The install was
>fairly simple and very easy to work with even after the aircraft is flying.
>The PVC Fairings were introduced and while they offered a more true airfoil
>shape they also added significant weight. They are also very time consuming
>to install nicely as they have a 2 ridges on each side of them that should
>be sanded down. The aluminum cuff on the end also created some challenges.
>That being said we have chosen to look back and re-introduce the wood...
>although a little different. We have chosen Balsa as the medium to use for
>several reasons.. believe it or not strength is one, ease of install and
>sanding, and the other is weight. The 2 lift struts weighed in at almost
>14 lbs difference from the PVC to the Balsa and the Balsa is stronger.
>Speed differences between the 2 is negligible. The new Balsa fairings
>maintain the correct proportions to the diameter of the tube. We have seen
>and had reported from 8 to 14 mph difference with either style.
>
>The Strut fairings will also include the horizontal lift strut pieces as
>well for the single horizontal support tubes.
>
>We have not introduced these officially yet as we need to develop the
>installation instructions for them.. However, they are ordered and should be
>in stock hopefully by months end.
>
>Installation is pretty straight forward. Bond, shape, seal, cover &
>paint... :)
>
>
>Fly Safe !!
>John & Debra McBean
>208.337.5111
>www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave G.
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:54 AM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairing questions.
>
>
>I'm sure John M will answer this with the definitve answer but I think they
>now or shortly will have a similar to original wood fairing kit that will
>require glueing and covering as the originals did. I will want them sooner
>or later. The really great thing about this from my perpspective is that
>they can be cut to shorter lengths and shipped. Try that with a one piece
>plastic fairing
>
>Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
>do not archive
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "arholland" <arholland@bigriver.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:04 AM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairing questions.
>
>
> >
> > I am looking for strut fairings for my kitfox as well. Does Kitfox
> > aircraft have them listed on their website somewhere?
> >
> > One person in the email chain said they just snapped them on, not
> > covering, no paint, nothing. Where did you get the snap on fairings?
> >
> > --------
> > Allen Holland
> > Munford, TN
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| Subject: | 912S Oil and Water cooling issues |
Gauge or relief valve spring/piston seat???
Of course 230F is not very high. Fluctuation is a concern.
PW
===========================
> >
> > I have a Kitfox Lite Squared. It is the same as the classic 4
> except with a smooth cowl and is a tricycle. It has the GSC 3 blade
> prop. It has the 912S engine and has about 110 hours. My CHT runs
> about 230 and my oil temp runs about 230. I was running the
> waterless coolant and have switched to Prestone Dex-cool. With the
> Dex-cool it runs a little cooler on the CHT but the oil temp is
> still high. Also when the engine is at idle the oil pressure runs
> about 60psi, however when I am at cruise the oil pressure
> fluctuates between about 40psi and 60psi. Does anyone have any
> ideas to get the cooling under control and what could be causing
> the oil pressure fluctuations?
> >
> > --------
> > Allen Holland
> > Munford, TN
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