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1. 04:26 AM - Re: Re: Strut fairing questions. (Harold Flynn)
2. 06:17 AM - Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's (dave)
3. 06:20 AM - Re: Re: Firewall (Noel Loveys)
4. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's (Noel Loveys)
5. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's (Noel Loveys)
6. 07:51 AM - Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's (dave)
7. 08:15 AM - Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's (dave)
8. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: Strut fairing questions. (jdmcbean)
9. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: Firewall (Dave G.)
10. 10:14 AM - Re: Firewall (Lynn Matteson)
11. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's (Noel Loveys)
12. 02:52 PM - Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's (dave)
13. 03:15 PM - 406 ELT's (jdmcbean)
14. 03:15 PM - Re: radiators (jdmcbean)
15. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's (Noel Loveys)
16. 03:55 PM - Re: radiators (Noel Loveys)
17. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: Lowell Fitt Accident (Lowell Fitt)
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| Subject: | Re: Strut fairing questions. |
In 1995 when I built my S5 I didn't use the pvc fairings. Instead I ordered balsa
wood from Aircraft Spruce and used that. It was vary easy to work with and
shape and vary strong and light weight. I covered them with fabric and painted
them. They turned out so nice that people thought they were metal ones. They
look the same today as they did when I fiinshed them.
jdmcbean <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com> wrote: Regarding lift strut fairings...
Some of you will remember the original wood style fairings.. The install was
fairly simple and very easy to work with even after the aircraft is flying.
The PVC Fairings were introduced and while they offered a more true airfoil
shape they also added significant weight. They are also very time consuming
to install nicely as they have a 2 ridges on each side of them that should
be sanded down. The aluminum cuff on the end also created some challenges.
That being said we have chosen to look back and re-introduce the wood...
although a little different. We have chosen Balsa as the medium to use for
several reasons.. believe it or not strength is one, ease of install and
sanding, and the other is weight. The 2 lift struts weighed in at almost
14 lbs difference from the PVC to the Balsa and the Balsa is stronger.
Speed differences between the 2 is negligible. The new Balsa fairings
maintain the correct proportions to the diameter of the tube. We have seen
and had reported from 8 to 14 mph difference with either style.
The Strut fairings will also include the horizontal lift strut pieces as
well for the single horizontal support tubes.
We have not introduced these officially yet as we need to develop the
installation instructions for them.. However, they are ordered and should be
in stock hopefully by months end.
Installation is pretty straight forward. Bond, shape, seal, cover &
paint... :)
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairing questions.
I'm sure John M will answer this with the definitve answer but I think they
now or shortly will have a similar to original wood fairing kit that will
require glueing and covering as the originals did. I will want them sooner
or later. The really great thing about this from my perpspective is that
they can be cut to shorter lengths and shipped. Try that with a one piece
plastic fairing
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "arholland"
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairing questions.
>
> I am looking for strut fairings for my kitfox as well. Does Kitfox
> aircraft have them listed on their website somewhere?
>
> One person in the email chain said they just snapped them on, not
> covering, no paint, nothing. Where did you get the snap on fairings?
>
> --------
> Allen Holland
> Munford, TN
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134168#134168
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's |
Clint,
I used some harrison Vg;s on the lower cowl mods i did and they contributed to
a 20F drop in coolant temps
http://www.cfisher.com/cowl.html
Last weekend I put some Vgs on my wings.
I have started a page here http://www.cfisher.com/vg.html
I put up a video of some flying with them on to be found there as well.
I placed the leading edge of VGs 4.625 inches back from leading edge as measured
through the chord not following the curvature of the top of the wing. This
puts the centre of the VG at exactly 10% of the chord.
So far favorable results, but nothing like I have read about the 8 mph stall speed
drops. Looks like about 2 mph drop in stall to about 36-37 mph clean. No
speed loss and if any less than 1 mph but no gain either.
Slow speed flight does seem a little more stable but I have never complained
or had any issues with slow speed flight on my IV. I have been reluctant to put
on the VGs as the Kitfox of mine has had such good performance.
I did do another mod that has added favorable results this week as week which was
correcting the exhaust form how Skystar had cut the 90% elbow and shortened
the actual header length. If definitely has added HP as RPM has increased at
idle, static and wide open throttle in flight by 200 to 300 rpm . I have now
re pitched and picked up some speed as well but will post data once done another
re pitch and some more flight data.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134365#134365
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My plane has the blanket on the outside of the firewall and shag (not that
shag:-)) carpet on the inside. I haven't flown it with out the padding but
I can say when I open the door the sound is very loud. Flying without
headphones isn't uncomfortable either. It certainly isn't as loud as the
C172 I trained in.
This winter I have a 912 to install and I was thinking about removing the
outside blanket and possibly spraying it with something like Rhino liner to
help transmit heat from the engine compartment to the cockpit.
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
Do not archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael Gibbs
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:08 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Firewall
>
>
> <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> Herbert sez:
>
> >Why do all of the Kitfoxes that I've seen have the insulation
> >blanket on the engine side of the firewall instead of the cockpit
> >side of the firewall?
>
> My Model IV had the insulation on the cabin side of the firewall, but
> I did not use the factory-supplied blanket. Instead, I used a thick,
> dense, fire-resistant foam that was glued to the firewall in sections
> between the steel tubes. I don't know if it helped with noise much
> because these little 'foxes are the noisiest things I've flown, but
> it looked really nice and I liked it. :-)
>
> Mike G. Kitfox List Moderator
> N728KF
> Phoenix, AZ
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's |
Glad to see you're back to the list.
Do you think the VGs on the lip of the cowl will help cooling without the
radiator scoop?
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:46 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's
>
>
>
> Clint,
>
> I used some harrison Vg;s on the lower cowl mods i did and
> they contributed to a 20F drop in coolant temps
> http://www.cfisher.com/cowl.html
>
> Last weekend I put some Vgs on my wings.
> I have started a page here http://www.cfisher.com/vg.html
> I put up a video of some flying with them on to be found
> there as well.
> I placed the leading edge of VGs 4.625 inches back from
> leading edge as measured through the chord not following the
> curvature of the top of the wing. This puts the centre of
> the VG at exactly 10% of the chord.
>
> So far favorable results, but nothing like I have read about
> the 8 mph stall speed drops. Looks like about 2 mph drop in
> stall to about 36-37 mph clean. No speed loss and if any
> less than 1 mph but no gain either.
>
> Slow speed flight does seem a little more stable but I have
> never complained or had any issues with slow speed flight on
> my IV. I have been reluctant to put on the VGs as the Kitfox
> of mine has had such good performance.
>
> I did do another mod that has added favorable results this
> week as week which was correcting the exhaust form how
> Skystar had cut the 90% elbow and shortened the actual header
> length. If definitely has added HP as RPM has increased at
> idle, static and wide open throttle in flight by 200 to 300
> rpm . I have now re pitched and picked up some speed as
> well but will post data once done another re pitch and some
> more flight data.
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134365#134365
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's |
Dave can we see a straight down view of the installation showing the spacing
and angles between individual VGs?
Liked the video!... Beats the tar out of Flight Sim but the plane seems
strangely familiar.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:46 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's
>
>
>
> Clint,
>
> I used some harrison Vg;s on the lower cowl mods i did and
> they contributed to a 20F drop in coolant temps
> http://www.cfisher.com/cowl.html
>
> Last weekend I put some Vgs on my wings.
> I have started a page here http://www.cfisher.com/vg.html
> I put up a video of some flying with them on to be found
> there as well.
> I placed the leading edge of VGs 4.625 inches back from
> leading edge as measured through the chord not following the
> curvature of the top of the wing. This puts the centre of
> the VG at exactly 10% of the chord.
>
> So far favorable results, but nothing like I have read about
> the 8 mph stall speed drops. Looks like about 2 mph drop in
> stall to about 36-37 mph clean. No speed loss and if any
> less than 1 mph but no gain either.
>
> Slow speed flight does seem a little more stable but I have
> never complained or had any issues with slow speed flight on
> my IV. I have been reluctant to put on the VGs as the Kitfox
> of mine has had such good performance.
>
> I did do another mod that has added favorable results this
> week as week which was correcting the exhaust form how
> Skystar had cut the 90% elbow and shortened the actual header
> length. If definitely has added HP as RPM has increased at
> idle, static and wide open throttle in flight by 200 to 300
> rpm . I have now re pitched and picked up some speed as
> well but will post data once done another re pitch and some
> more flight data.
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134365#134365
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's |
Noel,
I am not sure but I think the rad scoop does help with cooling.
The same setup without the scoop? should be ok but i will have to remove to validate
for sure.
> Do you think the VGs on the lip of the cowl will help cooling without the
> radiator scoop?
>
> Noel
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134389#134389
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's |
Noel, I cannot help you with a pic other than at http://www.cfisher.com/vg.html but you can see how the spacing changes
But I followed these directions http://stolspeed.com/content.php?id=27
from last outer rib for a about 3 feet 60mm spacing
Then rest of wing to windshield I spaced them 90 mm
> Dave can we see a straight down view of the installation showing the spacing
> and angles between individual VGs?
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134395#134395
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| Subject: | Re: Strut fairing questions. |
Paul,
They are a longer chord... There is an aerodynamic rule of thumb for
streamline shapes and we have tried to stay close to that.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of paul wilson
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:45 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairing questions.
John,
How close in the balsa compared to the old pine/fir ones used previously?
It looks like it might have a slightly longer chord?
Thanks, Paul
=========================
At 01:35 PM 9/13/2007, you wrote:
>Regarding lift strut fairings...
>
>Some of you will remember the original wood style fairings.. The install
was
>fairly simple and very easy to work with even after the aircraft is flying.
>The PVC Fairings were introduced and while they offered a more true airfoil
>shape they also added significant weight. They are also very time
consuming
>to install nicely as they have a 2 ridges on each side of them that should
>be sanded down. The aluminum cuff on the end also created some challenges.
>That being said we have chosen to look back and re-introduce the wood...
>although a little different. We have chosen Balsa as the medium to use for
>several reasons.. believe it or not strength is one, ease of install and
>sanding, and the other is weight. The 2 lift struts weighed in at
almost
>14 lbs difference from the PVC to the Balsa and the Balsa is stronger.
>Speed differences between the 2 is negligible. The new Balsa fairings
>maintain the correct proportions to the diameter of the tube. We have seen
>and had reported from 8 to 14 mph difference with either style.
>
>The Strut fairings will also include the horizontal lift strut pieces as
>well for the single horizontal support tubes.
>
>We have not introduced these officially yet as we need to develop the
>installation instructions for them.. However, they are ordered and should
be
>in stock hopefully by months end.
>
>Installation is pretty straight forward. Bond, shape, seal, cover &
>paint... :)
>
>
>Fly Safe !!
>John & Debra McBean
>208.337.5111
>www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave G.
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:54 AM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairing questions.
>
>
>I'm sure John M will answer this with the definitve answer but I think they
>now or shortly will have a similar to original wood fairing kit that will
>require glueing and covering as the originals did. I will want them sooner
>or later. The really great thing about this from my perpspective is that
>they can be cut to shorter lengths and shipped. Try that with a one piece
>plastic fairing
>
>Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
>do not archive
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "arholland" <arholland@bigriver.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:04 AM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairing questions.
>
>
> >
> > I am looking for strut fairings for my kitfox as well. Does Kitfox
> > aircraft have them listed on their website somewhere?
> >
> > One person in the email chain said they just snapped them on, not
> > covering, no paint, nothing. Where did you get the snap on fairings?
> >
> > --------
> > Allen Holland
> > Munford, TN
8:59 AM
8:59 AM
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MessageMine has the factory blanket. with the firewall installed in the
pocket so that padding is on both sides. It's neat and easy to clean
off. It's been about 300 hours in flight and it has held up. I don't see
any reason to go looking for alternatives.
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Firewall
My plane has the blanket on the outside of the firewall and shag (not
that shag:-)) carpet on the inside. I haven't flown it with out the
padding but I can say when I open the door the sound is very loud.
Flying without headphones isn't uncomfortable either. It certainly
isn't as loud as the C172 I trained in.
This winter I have a 912 to install and I was thinking about removing
the outside blanket and possibly spraying it with something like Rhino
liner to help transmit heat from the engine compartment to the cockpit.
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
Do not archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael Gibbs
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:08 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Firewall
>
>
> <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> Herbert sez:
>
> >Why do all of the Kitfoxes that I've seen have the insulation
> >blanket on the engine side of the firewall instead of the cockpit
> >side of the firewall?
>
> My Model IV had the insulation on the cabin side of the firewall,
but
> I did not use the factory-supplied blanket. Instead, I used a
thick,
> dense, fire-resistant foam that was glued to the firewall in
sections
> between the steel tubes. I don't know if it helped with noise much
> because these little 'foxes are the noisiest things I've flown, but
> it looked really nice and I liked it. :-)
>
> Mike G. Kitfox List Moderator
> N728KF
> Phoenix, AZ
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I installed my firewall blanket on the cabin side of the firewall,
after first cutting off the part that forms a pocket, into which the
firewall would have slid. I did this after talking with Frank at
Skystar. I cut holes where the pads are located, so that the material
would not be squeezed between the pads and the engine mount.
I agree with you about the padding eventually becoming soaked with
oil/whatever.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/400+ hrs
On Sep 12, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Herbert Doud wrote:
> Kitfoxers.................I gotta question.........
>
> With all the messages about proper and safe firewall transition,
> it got me ti thinking. (Dangerous!)
>
>
> I didn't build my Kitfox....Too dang old..........So I'm not too
> knowledgeable in the building process.
>
> Why do all of the Kitfoxes that I've seen have the insulation
> blanket on the engine side of the firewall instead of the cockpit
> side of the firewall? Every GA plane that I've owned or seen, the
> insulation is always on the cockpit side, which makes sense to
> me. On the engine side, it's exposed to engine fluids and
> eventually over time, it's possible for engine fluids to gather in
> the padding. That could pose a fire hazzard.
>
> There's probably a logical answer to my query, but I not going to
> tax what's left of my brain cells, trying to answer the question.
> I'll let someone else's brain cells work on this.
>
> Herbert Doud
> Kitfox IV
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's |
As you know I don't have a scoop on my plane... Then again I haven't had
any cooling issues either. I'm just trying to keep options open. Is it
advisable to use the same rad for the 912 that I am using with the 582?
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:21 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's
>
>
>
> Noel,
>
> I am not sure but I think the rad scoop does help with cooling.
> The same setup without the scoop? should be ok but i will
> have to remove to validate for sure.
>
>
> > Do you think the VGs on the lip of the cowl will help
> cooling without the
> > radiator scoop?
> >
> > Noel
>
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134389#134389
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's |
Noel, I think the rad is the same one -- 4" x 20 " approx. but surely someone will
comment for sure to confirm.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134470#134470
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We have been looking into this for sometime and finally got an answer
back... We are an OEM for Artex 406 mhz ELT's. There is a model now that
is a replacement for the AK-450 and the ACK models. Unfortunately the
remote switch in the panel is a little different so it will require a slight
mod to the opening for the remote switch.
As reported the response time is significantly better then the current
system. Fact is Doppler positioning allows the 121.5 signal tracked to
within approx 12 mile radius and the 406 signal in within 2 mile radius..
the new system also sends owner data to the satellite so searchers know who,
what and where.. I believe it also sends contact information.
Here is the bad news.. the current retail is $1148.00 plus S&H. This does
include everything needed.
Attached is the brochure.
Give us a shout if you're looking to upgrade or install the 406 system.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
8:59 AM
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There is 2 different radiators.. The original 582 was smaller. The 912 uses
a larger radiator.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:59 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's
As you know I don't have a scoop on my plane... Then again I haven't had
any cooling issues either. I'm just trying to keep options open. Is it
advisable to use the same rad for the 912 that I am using with the 582?
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:21 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's
>
>
>
> Noel,
>
> I am not sure but I think the rad scoop does help with cooling.
> The same setup without the scoop? should be ok but i will
> have to remove to validate for sure.
>
>
> > Do you think the VGs on the lip of the cowl will help
> cooling without the
> > radiator scoop?
> >
> > Noel
>
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134389#134389
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's |
Found what I needed on the link you provided... Thanks
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
Do not archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:45 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's
>
>
>
> Noel, I cannot help you with a pic other than at
> http://www.cfisher.com/vg.html but you can see how the
> spacing changes
>
> But I followed these directions
> http://stolspeed.com/content.php?id=27
> from last outer rib for a about 3 feet 60mm spacing
> Then rest of wing to windshield I spaced them 90 mm
>
>
> > Dave can we see a straight down view of the installation
> showing the spacing
> > and angles between individual VGs?
>
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134395#134395
>
>
>
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John:
What are the measurements on the 912 rad?
BTW TC says they won't bother with another inspection of my plane if I
buy
the engine mount from you.... Bet you didn't know you had friends in
"high"
places :-)
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:45 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: radiators
>
>
> <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
>
> There is 2 different radiators.. The original 582 was
> smaller. The 912 uses
> a larger radiator.
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Noel Loveys
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:59 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's
>
>
> As you know I don't have a scoop on my plane... Then again I
> haven't had
> any cooling issues either. I'm just trying to keep options
> open. Is it
> advisable to use the same rad for the 912 that I am using
> with the 582?
>
>
> Noel
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:21 PM
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Vortex Generators/Turbulator's
> >
> >
> >
> > Noel,
> >
> > I am not sure but I think the rad scoop does help with cooling.
> > The same setup without the scoop? should be ok but i will
> > have to remove to validate for sure.
> >
> >
> > > Do you think the VGs on the lip of the cowl will help
> > cooling without the
> > > radiator scoop?
> > >
> > > Noel
> >
> >
> > --------
> > Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> > Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> > http://www.cfisher.com/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134389#134389
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> 8:59 AM
>
> 8:59 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lowell Fitt Accident |
Interesting poing on the second crash. Apparently the television video crew
was there to do some background video on Cameron Park regarding our crash.
And was there to record the entirety of this tragic event. When we took off
the temps were in the low 70s F with an inversion layer to the mid 80s at
about 1000 ft agl. The plane in question had four people on board. As I
have been told, full ice chests on board, two scuba tanks and likely weight
belts. A neighbor said that the temps immediately above the runway at their
noon departure was 112. It was the rear passengers that both perished. I
have always been very concerned while flying, about the potential missles in
the baggage comartment and have loaded accordingly.
When Brad, across the street, had his airworthiness inspecton it was by an
FAA examiner who spent nearly his entire career as an accident investigator
in alaska. He commented to Brad on the numerous cases of impact from behind
that rendered an otherwise survivable accident a fatality. One extreme
example - impaled by a fishing rod.
Fly safe folks and thanks for the numerous comments of support. I plan on
answering every one personally, but at my pace it will take some time - only
261 messages in the inbox.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Lowell Fitt Accident
>
> On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Michael Gibbs wrote:
>> It's airliners that hit the ground hard enough to make "no survivors"
>> the norm.
>
> I have been wondering about this, Mike. Two planes crashed out of Cameron
> Park that day: A Kitfox and a Cherokee. The latter ended in two fatal
> casualties. Why?
> An impact needs to absorb inertia which is: mass multiplied by speed.
> Lesser mass means lesser impact, doesn't it? I read that you have a better
> chance to survive a car accident if you have a heavy car. Perhaps, in some
> circumstances like a front collision. But isn't it sometimes an advantage
> to be light ... very light?
> Attending a flight safety conference in Germany, last year, we were told
> that light aircraft should rather try to land on tree tops than attempt to
> make a sharp manoeuvre to reach an open field, at the risk of not being
> able to do it and end in a wall or another hard surface. Personally, I
> think that, if the forest is dense enough, a Kitfox would simply land on
> the top of the trees and rescue would come with a fire brigade ladder. I
> am not sure but I still feel I stand a better chance to survive a aircraft
> crash landing if it is a very light one. After all, a 30 feet wide, 900
> pounds heavy object moving at 40 MPH shouldn't need much to come to a
> stop.
> Incidentally, a Zodiac 601 with a Rotax 912 from our club made an
> emergency landing in a field today. The engine stopped after a slow
> descent from 4,500 to 1,800 feet. Luckily the pilot was over one of those
> few regions of Norway where we have corn fields. After a while on the
> ground, the engine could be restarted and the plane flew back home. The
> suspected cause: carburettor icing.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
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