---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/15/07: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:17 AM - Re: Firewall (Michael Gibbs) 2. 05:13 AM - Airdale Wider Bungee Landing Gear (Jose M. Toro) 3. 05:38 AM - Re: Re: Lowell Fitt Accident (Marwynne Kuhn) 4. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: Lowell Fitt Accident (Jimmie Blackwell) 5. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: Lowell Fitt Accident (clemwehner) 6. 09:10 AM - It flys! (Kevin Cozik) 7. 09:20 AM - Re: Landing in Treetops (EMAproducts@aol.com) 8. 09:22 AM - Rotax Carb rubber boots (Dave G.) 9. 09:41 AM - Re: It flys! (W Duke) 10. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Lowell Fitt Accident --Subject Change-Carb Boots (SOURDOSTAN@aol.com) 11. 11:01 AM - Trailing edge reinforcement tubes - recommended. (Dave G.) 12. 11:42 AM - Re: It flys! (jdmcbean) 13. 12:12 PM - Broken tailwheel spring- revelation (Jack L Bell) 14. 01:06 PM - Re: Airdale Wider Bungee Landing Gear (eskflyer) 15. 01:13 PM - Re: Rotax Carb rubber boots (eskflyer) 16. 01:42 PM - --Subject:: Change-Carb Boots - 912 UL (barryhuston) 17. 01:50 PM - INFO REQUEST: Re: Rotax Carb rubber boots (barryhuston) 18. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: Rotax Carb rubber boots (Marwynne Kuhn) 19. 02:59 PM - Bunches of stuff (Herbert Doud) 20. 03:07 PM - Re: Bunches of stuff (dave) 21. 03:09 PM - Re: It flys! (dave) 22. 07:28 PM - Re: It flys! (darinh) 23. 07:35 PM - Re: Trailing edge reinforcement tubes - recommended. (darinh) 24. 07:53 PM - Re: It flys! (Lynn Matteson) 25. 09:01 PM - Re: Airdale Wider Bungee Landing Gear (crazyivan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:46 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Firewall Noel sez: >...Flying without headphones isn't uncomfortable either. It >certainly isn't as loud as the C172 I trained in. I don't know, Noel, perhaps your hearing was better back then. :-) Mike G. N728KF Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:10 AM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Kitfox-List: Airdale Wider Bungee Landing Gear Hi All: Is any of you using the Airdale "Wider is Better" bungee landing gear on model I thru IV Kitfox? My friend Noel is considering it for his Kitfox II. Would like to get your feedback. Thanks! Jos Toro ex Kitfox II/582 (still in love) Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:59 AM PST US From: "Marwynne Kuhn" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Lowell Fitt Accident Just a few comments about landing in the tree tops. I had an engine out earlier this year and was forced to land in the trees. I got real lucky and didn't get injured. I landed in the top of several pine trees and the plane then nose dived straight down when the treetops broke. My main gear wedged between to trees and slowed the descent dramatically. The wings also absorbed the falling energy when they broke other tree limbs. My engine came with in 6 inches of the ground. The plane never made contact with ground. I agree about having a light aircraft vs. a 172 or such. I don't know if I would have been so lucky. Damage to the plane was two bent spars , covering on the wings and several places on the fuselage. I am glad I was in my Kitfox rather than my Cessna 175. I don't believe that I would have survived the fall in that much heavier a plane. Just a few comments about the cause of the accident. The engine was a 912UL with 300 hours. The rubber boot that holds the carbs failed. I had changed the boot the previous annual and inspected it within the last month before the accident. The rubber boot had approx 80 hours on it. The rubber boot split about 2/3 the way around . The engine lost vacuum and sputtered and stopped.. There is a solution to the problem , I wrote Rotax and there is another company making these parts. I never got a response from Rotax and the other manufacture showed no interest. The solution for the problem is to have a KEVLAR ring inserted into the mold when the rubber is injected. Here is the reason this KEVLAR band would work. The rubber boot cracks and separates , the engine starts running rough , but would continue to run. You have high vibration at this time making the crack worse causing the engine to run rougher. The KEVLAR would prevent the complete separation of the rubber boot. Hope fully this would buy you enough time to return to the airport safely. I hope the above made since to you. I wish that I could make the manufactures realize that the cost to insert the ring would be a safety measure that would prevent a complete separation of the rubber boot. It would really not make the part last longer , just prevent it from completely failing like mine did. Your comments would be appreciated. If it makes since ,you might want to write ROTAX and see if more than one person complaint would entice them into making this part safer. > think that, if the forest is dense enough, a Kitfox would simply land on > the top of the trees and rescue would come with a fire brigade ladder. I > am not sure but I still feel I stand a better chance to survive a aircraft > crash landing if it is a very light one. After all, a 30 feet wide, 900 > pounds heavy object moving at 40 MPH shouldn't need much to come to a > stop. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:13 AM PST US From: "Jimmie Blackwell" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Lowell Fitt Accident Great report and excellent idea on the boots. I am going to write Rotax. Jimmie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marwynne Kuhn" Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Lowell Fitt Accident > > Just a few comments about landing in the tree tops. I had an engine out > earlier this year and was forced to land in the trees. I got real lucky > and didn't get injured. I landed in the top of several pine trees and the > plane then nose dived straight down when the treetops broke. My main gear > wedged between to trees and slowed the descent dramatically. The wings > also absorbed the falling energy when they broke other tree limbs. My > engine came with in 6 inches of the ground. The plane never made contact > with ground. > > I agree about having a light aircraft vs. a 172 or such. I don't know if > I would have been so lucky. Damage to the plane was two bent spars , > covering on the wings and several places on the fuselage. I am glad I > was in my Kitfox rather than my Cessna 175. I don't believe that I would > have survived the fall in that much heavier a plane. > > > Just a few comments about the cause of the accident. The engine was a > 912UL with 300 hours. The rubber boot that holds the carbs failed. I > had changed the boot the previous annual and inspected it within the last > month before the accident. The rubber boot had approx 80 hours on it. > The rubber boot split about 2/3 the way around . The engine lost vacuum > and sputtered and stopped.. There is a solution to the problem , I > wrote Rotax and there is another company making these parts. I never got a > response from Rotax and the other manufacture showed no interest. > > The solution for the problem is to have a KEVLAR ring inserted into the > mold when the rubber is injected. > > Here is the reason this KEVLAR band would work. > > The rubber boot cracks and separates , the engine starts running rough , > but would continue to run. > You have high vibration at this time making the crack worse causing the > engine to run rougher. The KEVLAR would prevent the complete > separation of the rubber boot. Hope fully this would buy you enough time > to return to the airport safely. > > I hope the above made since to you. I wish that I could make the > manufactures realize that the cost to insert the ring would be a safety > measure that would prevent a complete separation of the rubber boot. It > would really not make the part last longer , just prevent it from > completely failing like mine did. > > Your comments would be appreciated. If it makes since ,you might want to > write ROTAX and see if more than one person complaint would entice them > into making this part safer. > > >> think that, if the forest is dense enough, a Kitfox would simply land on >> the top of the trees and rescue would come with a fire brigade ladder. I >> am not sure but I still feel I stand a better chance to survive a >> aircraft crash landing if it is a very light one. After all, a 30 feet >> wide, 900 pounds heavy object moving at 40 MPH shouldn't need much to >> come to a stop. > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:22 AM PST US From: "clemwehner" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Lowell Fitt Accident I have an idea. Why couldn't a rubber cover be put over the boot, like piece of rubber inner tube? It could be sealed on the carb side with silicone sealant or something, pulled over the carb boot, then sealed on the engine side. A safety wire wrap or zip ties might could be used to secure it on the ends and ensure a tight fit into the sealant. That way if the boot split, the cover would keep air from leaking in. Just a thought, Clem Wehner Lawton, OK KFIV-912 -----Original Message----- "The rubber boot split about 2/3 the way around . The engine lost vacuum and sputtered and stopped." ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:07 AM PST US From: "Kevin Cozik" Subject: Kitfox-List: It flys! Hello everyone, Just a quick note to let you know Kitfox series 6, N262SC took to the air at about 8 am this morning for its maiden flight. It flew great with no changes needed in rigging! More later. Kevin Cozik Series 6-7 Rotax 914 turbo Czech amphibs Lansing Michigan ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:33 AM PST US From: EMAproducts@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Landing in Treetops Attending a flight safety conference in Germany, last year, we were told > that light aircraft should rather try to land on tree tops than attempt to > make a sharp manoeuvre to reach an open field, at the risk of not being > able to do it and end in a wall or another hard surface. Personally, I > think that, if the forest is dense enough, a Kitfox would simply land on > the top of the trees and rescue would come with a fire brigade ladder. I > am not sure but I still feel I stand a better chance to survive a aircraft > crash landing if it is a very light one. After all, a 30 feet wide, 900 > pounds heavy object moving at 40 MPH shouldn't need much to come to a > stop. Michel, I have an example of this in my shop. About 25 years ago a pilot had fuel contamination and the engine quit in a Funk B-85 C. He ended up about 100' up in the Cedar tree he landed on. He was rescued by Hook & Ladder truck from Fire Dept. More damage was done to aircraft removing from tree with a huge crane than was done in landing there. I'm slowly restoring that plane. Still has cable marks on door post aluminum cover where the cable wrapped around to remove. Windshield, all windows & airframe not damaged except for wings & doors which were totaled by time aircraft was removed from tree. Two of my friends heard engine quit and ran to where they heard the noise of crash, couldn't find plane till pilot yelled at them from above! Elbie Mendenhall, Restoring the "Cedar Tree Funk" N-77705 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:00 AM PST US From: "Dave G." Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax Carb rubber boots There is a company making boots that they seem confident of, everyone that I have heard of using them seems satisfied. There is a small webpage here: http://www.geocities.com/chinooktips/ROTAX.html I seem to recall a larger page but the email is direct to that supplier so it might be worth a try. IIRC Rotax had at some time in the past said that any attempt to modify or reinforce their boot would lead to fuel foaming and a lean condition which of course would certainly lead to very bad things. Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:32 AM PST US From: W Duke Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: It flys! congrats. Have fun. Kevin Cozik wrote: Hello everyone, Just a quick note to let you know Kitfox series 6, N262SC took to the air at about 8 am this morning for its maiden flight. It flew great with no changes needed in rigging! More later. Kevin Cozik Series 6-7 Rotax 914 turbo Czech amphibs Lansing Michigan Maxwell Duke S6/TD/IO240 Dublin, GA --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:57 AM PST US From: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Lowell Fitt Accident --Subject Change-Carb Boots I just received two new carb boots for my 912ul and I think Lockwood said they do have a KEVLAR reinforcement. They appear much stiffer, as well. Stan Specht Kitfox Model IV Speedster "Columbine" (1250 hrs) Denver, Colorado ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:13 AM PST US From: "Dave G." Subject: Kitfox-List: Trailing edge reinforcement tubes - recommended. In the updated instructions for covering which I got from Kitfox with my spars (back when I foolishly believed I would have this maintenance done and be flying quickly) there was a small mention of reinforcing the trailing edge by glueing a 3/8" X .035 6061 tube in the gap of the trailing edge. It looked like a good update for my wings so I ordered the tube from Kitfox and received it a couple of weeks ago. I have now got the reinforcement installed and I can certainly recommend it. The trailing edge is much stronger in all directions than previous. I also ordered a couple of syringe type tubes of Hysol in case I needed a little more and I thought the mixing tube looked like a great idea. I tried one of them while inserting the reinforcement tube into the trailing edge. The syringes are great at dispensing equal amounts of adhesive, but there is no power on earth that will force Hysol through the mixing tube at 68 Deg. Maybe it works better when it's hot but even with a caulking gun, mine jst preferred to exit the rear of the syringe than flow down the tube. I gave up and shot it all straight from the syringe onto a mixing board. Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:21 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: It flys! Congrats Kevin !!! Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Cozik Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: It flys! Hello everyone, Just a quick note to let you know Kitfox series 6, N262SC took to the air at about 8 am this morning for its maiden flight. It flew great with no changes needed in rigging! More later. Kevin Cozik Series 6-7 Rotax 914 turbo Czech amphibs Lansing Michigan 8:59 AM ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:29 PM PST US From: Jack L Bell Subject: Kitfox-List: Broken tailwheel spring- revelation It finally happened- I broke my tailwheel spring after a landing. Not during the landing, but after. If you could see the condition of the runway I generally use, you'd understand. Anyway- no real damage, other than the fabric on the rudder having numerous holes punched by the dragging tailwheel. And, of course the need for a new spring. Which, as they say, is the point. This occurred while landing an Avid MK IV. They have that nicely rounded rudder, and the "round" at the bottom keeps the rudder off the asphalt if the spring breaks. I looked at the kitfox I parked next to it, and noted that if *that* spring broke, I'd trash the rudder. And, since I had the avid rudder in hand, I held it up and... Did you know that, with the exception of the rudder horns being higher, and the top of the rudder sitting maybe 1 inch higher, that the rounded rudder will fit right onto the kitfox? The hinge tabs are in *exactly* the correct place. A new stop, or moving the horns, adding an inch to the top of the verticle stabilizer, and suddenly you have a more effective, and less easily damaged rudder. $.02 Jack Kitfox I Rotax 582 GSC prop Avid Mk IV jabiru 2200 prince ptip ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:01 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Airdale Wider Bungee Landing Gear From: "eskflyer" The wider gear works great . I changed mine after experiencing a gear leg failure on the stock gear . I love the wider stance and it is also a little bit taller . With the big tundra tires on it it looks fantastic . If you want pics let me know and i will send to your email. -------- FLY FUN FLY LOW FLY SLOW John Perry Kitfox 2 N718PD 582 cbox 2:62-1 IVO IFA WHEELS NorthAire Floats Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134560#134560 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:05 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax Carb rubber boots From: "eskflyer" The JBM rubber boots are far superior to the rotax boots . We just changed out a set of rotax boots that went bad in less than a year . Will only fly with JBM boots from now on . Hope fully will not have to changed them for many years but will look at them several times a year and inspect inside and out. -------- FLY FUN FLY LOW FLY SLOW John Perry Kitfox 2 N718PD 582 cbox 2:62-1 IVO IFA WHEELS NorthAire Floats Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134561#134561 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:51 PM PST US From: "barryhuston" Subject: Kitfox-List: --Subject:: Change-Carb Boots - 912 UL Stan & Marwynne & LIST CARB BOOTS -- 912UL Could not locate in Lockwood Catalog --- Page Number or PART # ?? ALSO, Is a there a recommendation on how frequently these should be changed. ?? Barry Huston Model IV - 1200 Tri-Gear Lake Ossipee, NH _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SOURDOSTAN@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Lowell Fitt Accident --Subject Change-Carb Boots I just received two new carb boots for my 912ul and I think Lockwood said they do have a KEVLAR reinforcement. They appear much stiffer, as well. Stan Specht Kitfox Model IV Speedster "Columbine" (1250 hrs) Denver, Colorado _____ See what'set="_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:42 PM PST US From: "barryhuston" Subject: INFO REQUEST: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax Carb rubber boots John Did not see this before I just sent my previous request " Change Carb Boots - 912UL" Could you provide INFO on purchasing JBM Boots Barry -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of eskflyer Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 4:13 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax Carb rubber boots The JBM rubber boots are far superior to the rotax boots . We just changed out a set of rotax boots that went bad in less than a year . Will only fly with JBM boots from now on . Hope fully will not have to changed them for many years but will look at them several times a year and inspect inside and out. -------- FLY FUN FLY LOW FLY SLOW John Perry Kitfox 2 N718PD 582 cbox 2:62-1 IVO IFA WHEELS NorthAire Floats Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134561#134561 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:11 PM PST US From: "Marwynne Kuhn" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax Carb rubber boots I inspected my boots several months before I had my engine failure. Pull on them hard and see if you can get them to tear. If they had some KEVLAR in them they would be much better. If they leak they only cause the engine to run rough. It is when they tear as mine did that you have a total power outage. I would be willing to pay extra for the material in them. Good Luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "eskflyer" Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax Carb rubber boots > > The JBM rubber boots are far superior to the rotax boots . We just changed > out a set of rotax boots that went bad in less than a year . Will only fly > with JBM boots from now on . Hope fully will not have to changed them for > many years but will look at them several times a year and inspect inside > and out. > > -------- > FLY FUN FLY LOW FLY SLOW > John Perry > Kitfox 2 N718PD > 582 cbox 2:62-1 IVO IFA > WHEELS NorthAire Floats > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134561#134561 > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:43 PM PST US From: "Herbert Doud" Subject: Kitfox-List: Bunches of stuff Many thanks to all of you Kitfoxers who responded either to me directly or to the list concerning my question as to why we Kitfoxers put the firewall blanket on the engine side, instead of on the cabin side as do GA aircraft manufacturers. A large number of builders who responded, have eiher done away with the blanket or have installed it on the cabin side of the firewall, which makes sense to this old fart. Now to another subject. I guess everyone who messes with car and airplane engines have heard of Marvel Mystery Oil. I'v used it off and on for 50 years. I bought an ATV sometime back and through short trip useage and many starts, the spark plug was carboning up and fouling. Most of my use with Marvel, was in the engine oil, for break-ins and hard useage. On the container Marvel is also suggested for the fuel, for upper end lube and cleaning of the cylinders. I tried it on the ATV and for a coupla weeks, using the recommended amount in the fuel and it worked super. The plug cleaned up, starts were easier and it idled better........But, I started getting a gasoline puddle under my ATV, coming out of the carb overflow. Bunches of work, but I pulled the carb, looked at the float needle and it had turned gummy and was leaking. So I installed a new needle and put the works back together. A week or so later, I started getting a large fuel puddle under the ATV again. Earlier, it had worked so well, before getting fuel leakage under the ATV, I also had put in in my gas for the 582 on my Kitfox. Worked great there too, keeping clean plugs and smooth idling. I hadn't had the plane out in a coupla weeks and when I saw the gas puddle under the ATV, I hobbled out to the folded wing, mini hanger, checked the carbs for leaking and sure enough, there was a large gas puddle on the floor under the engine. I was mixing the plane gas with the premix oil and adding the suggested amount of Marvel Mystery Oil. I pulled both carbs and checked the rubber tips on the float needles and they were deteriorating. Not being a real fast thinker, I guess, I cussed to myself, about the poor quality of tips on the needle valves and how things just weren't up to the standards of earlier years. I replaced the Bing needles, and made no changes in the Marvel oil as it was sure working good in cleaning up the combustion chanmbers. A week or so later, I had another gas puddle under the plane and the ATV was still leaking gas. Finally the gray mater lit up and I drained the fuel tanks on both the plane and the ATV and again, replaced the float needles on the 2 engines. After I'd used up all the bad words that I learned from all the bad people I knew, I hadda start making up a whole lot of new ones, that I'd like to pass on.... But I can't spell 'em. Any way, I changed the 582 over to oil injection and am using the Marvel in the oil injection system and quit putting Marvel in the ATV. It's been several months now and no more fuel leakage from either engine. It seems that the Marvel is a good product, if it not used where it can come in contact with the rubber tips they are now using on the float needles. (they all used to be brass tips) Marvel sure keeps things cleaned up and seems to work great in the 4 cycle oil engines, But beware of mixing with gasoline in the fuel tanks. My ATV still fouls plugs, so I buy them buy the dozen. If anyon's interested in some old fouled plugs to play with, I have some real cheap. Herbert Doud Kitfox IV/582 New Braunfels, Tx ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:07 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bunches of stuff From: "dave" How many hours do you get out of your 582 plugs by using Marvel oil ? how do you know your 582 is clean inside ? Dave -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134578#134578 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:23 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: It flys! From: "dave" Very good, should pop off the water quickly with the 914 and the winds today :) Get us some videos before the ice comes -- calling for near freezing next few nights here -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134579#134579 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:28 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: It flys! From: "darinh" That's great Kevin! I have seen pics of his Fox and it is got to be one of the best looking I have seen! If you get a chance, post some of your preliminary performance numbers as I am sure many would be interested. As you know, I am especially interested seeing that I am working on a 7 and installing the 914. By the way, I plan on giving you a call one of these nights to discuss your engine and avionics installation. Again, way to go on the maiden flight! -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 (under Construction) 914 Turbo Ogden, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134609#134609 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:57 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Trailing edge reinforcement tubes - recommended. From: "darinh" Dave, I have not seen the recommendation for the tube but it seems like a great idea! I keep looking at my trailing edge and thinking that it would only take a misplaced elbow or hand to bend it any direction. I will make the mod using your tube dimensions supplied. About the Hysol...I have been using the 50 ml cartridges for years now building model jets and the Kitfox and have never had a problem with the mixing nozzles even when I was working in a 40 degree garage in the winter (I now have a climate controlled shop to work in). The nozzles I use I get from RSHughes and they are square with a green mixer. -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 (under Construction) 914 Turbo Ogden, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134612#134612 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:35 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: It flys! Way to go, Kevin...congratulations! Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/400+ hrs do not archive On Sep 15, 2007, at 12:09 PM, Kevin Cozik wrote: > Hello everyone, > Just a quick note to let you know Kitfox series 6, N262SC took to > the air at about 8 am this morning for its maiden flight. It flew > great with no changes needed in rigging! More later. > Kevin Cozik > Series 6-7 > Rotax 914 turbo > Czech amphibs > Lansing Michigan > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:07 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Airdale Wider Bungee Landing Gear From: "crazyivan" Two questions: -Is the wider landing gear from Airdale a direct fit to the Kitfox 4? -What is the cost? 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