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1. 12:30 AM - Re: New subscriber-1st post-request for info (Michael Gibbs)
2. 02:28 AM - Re: New float flying vid (dave)
3. 12:30 PM - Re: New float flying vid (akflyer)
4. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: OT New float flying vid (Noel Loveys)
5. 03:08 PM - Re: OT New float flying vid (akflyer)
6. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: OT New float flying vid (Noel Loveys)
7. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: New float flying vid (Paul Seehafer)
8. 08:08 PM - Kitfox Flight Sim (Noel Loveys)
9. 08:11 PM - Re: Landing in Treetops (Bob)
10. 08:23 PM - Re: Kitfox Flight Sim (akflyer)
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| Subject: | Re: New subscriber-1st post-request for info |
John asks:
>The main gear bracket you show does not look stock, who cut that out
>for you? We need something like that for our model 1.
I'm pretty sure that is stock Grove mounting hardware, John.
Mike G.
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: New float flying vid |
I tried 4 different props and re-pitched each accordingly with the 2.62 gear.
On amphibs on grass take off went from 350 to 450 feet.
Cruise speed dropped about 5-6 mph and climb I lost about 200 fpm. I flew for
about 10 hours with that gear set and quickly changed back to the 3 to 1 gears.
I would like to try 3.5:1 gears as well. I did think the faster spinning
prop would have cost me some take off but I also thought that it would
give me extra cruise. It was louder as well with the prop spinning about 300
rpm faster as well but no where near the tip speed of lycoming or the noise.
What Box do you have ? You can likely pick up a used box to try cheaper than
new gears to try. If you no like just peddle on Ebay.
Cruise speed on amphibs with 3 to 1 is 85 mph and was barely 80 with mph
with 2.62s on a good day.
Slower turning prop has worked better for me and I guess it does give more torque
to the prop for take off and at the speeds we fly at. I should try them
again on wheels and see what happens.
> 2.62 How can it loose performance? You should be spinning the prop a bit faster.
Most guys that tried 3:1 said they went back to 2.62... I cant say as I have
never tried the 3:1. Were you swinging a longer prop at 3:1?
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Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
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| Subject: | Re: New float flying vid |
With the IFA I set it at minimum pitch (high pitch blades) that gives me about
6150 to 6250 on the take off run, as soon as I break water and pick the nose up
it jumps to 6400 so I start adding pitch to keep RPM and EGT under control.
In cruise I set power and prop to give me 5800 and 1100 EGT. This works out
to a fuel burn of about 5 gallons and hour and 70 knots GS depending on wind.
I have heard arguments that the 3 blade WARP pulls harder than the IVO If the 72"
is comparable or slightly better than the WARP I would really like to try it
out. I cant justify the money at this time for a 912, but damn... I sure would
like to fly one on floats to see what the extra power would do, I am betting
that the extra 20 ponies would make one hellofa bird out of this..
As it is with the 582, full fuel, gear (decoys guns etc) and just me it is one
heck of a plane, but add another 200# passenger and she is lacking on the water.
I normally have to make a gear run solo, then come back and pick up the passenger.
this is to be expected as I am asking a bit more than she was designed
to do...... Once in the air it is fine, but getting from water to air takes
a bit of room.
All in all, I am not sure one can ask for a better plane for the money spent (
you could ask but would be stupid for doing so), and for dang sure you cant have
more fun than this and keep your clothes on!
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: OT New float flying vid |
Define "Tad" :-)
Great video! I never considered landing my plane in bog holes like
that...most of ours are around 18' deep with no/few deadheads.
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:16 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New float flying vid
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> 2.62 How can it loose performance? You should be spinning
> the prop a bit faster. Most guys that tried 3:1 said they
> went back to 2.62... I cant say as I have never tried the
> 3:1. Were you swinging a longer prop at 3:1?
>
> I would really be interested in getting a bit more thrust for
> mine for taking off the grass or coming up on step when at
> "gross" or a tad over..
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> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> 95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: OT New float flying vid |
hmm... a tad... that would be just enough to give me unlimited vertical and the
ability to hover and torque roll my Avid the same way I can with my 33% Extra
330..
Really, I would think that another 10-15 HP would do it, but I don't like the idea
of paying that much for a 912... I can have two avids or KF's in the air with
582's for the price of one 912 alone if I get a basket case as I have done
and re-build it..
I would not think of taking conventional floats the places I go with the Full lotus...one
stick or rock and you are done with conventionals...
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: OT New float flying vid |
My Aerocet conventional composite floats are a bit lighter than the Full
Lotus but as you say they are not good for the real shoal water. Most of
our bog holes are around two or three feet deep and true bogs don't have any
wood in it. I expect the most dangerous place to land on floats is any area
that has been flooded within the last fifty years... No one really knows the
depth of the water or what's under the surface!
I just got a used 912 that is reported to have only 175 hr on it. Of course
I have to get the engine mount from John Mc and no doubt there will be mods
to the cowlings and new controls. I have planned to move the header tank
back behind the seat and the battery there too. The space behind the panel
the small header tank now occupies is where I'll mount the oil reservoir.
Because I'll be using a factory built mount, Transport Canada (TC) is going
to allow me to do an amendment to my W&B and a three minute climb test that
I must be able to make something like 600'... The 582 with the old tach
which read 20% too high and time-exed prop could still beat that climb.
After that I'll be "tethered" to a 25KT distance for 25 hr.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 7:38 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: OT New float flying vid
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> hmm... a tad... that would be just enough to give me
> unlimited vertical and the ability to hover and torque roll
> my Avid the same way I can with my 33% Extra 330..
>
> Really, I would think that another 10-15 HP would do it, but
> I don't like the idea of paying that much for a 912... I can
> have two avids or KF's in the air with 582's for the price of
> one 912 alone if I get a basket case as I have done and re-build it..
>
> I would not think of taking conventional floats the places I
> go with the Full lotus...one stick or rock and you are done
> with conventionals...
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> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> 95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: New float flying vid |
Leonard,
A light Kitfox (or Avid) with even an 80 hp 912 on a set of non-amphib full
lotus floats would be an awesome airplane.
I've flown a 582 Model IV on 1260 Lotus floats, and my IV-1200 on Aerocet
amphibs so I know what you could expect. While the 582 airplane is a fun,
good performing airplane (the one I flew had a warp 3 blade, but performance
was as you pretty much describe yours, maybe slightly less as no IFA on the
warp), the 912 with a IVO IFA will give you supercub or better performance
loaded or not (assuming you keep that IVO IFA on it - it definitely helps
get off the water). Mine is a HEAVY (776 pounds on the floats) model IV
amphib, but yet will get off the water at 1200 pounds (2 people, 3 hrs fuel,
and light on gear) in about 13-14 seconds on a 85 degree day, 5 mph wind, at
1200 msl. And it will easily cruise at 100+ mph. Tops out at 124 mph. I
do think the lotus floats would slow it down a bit (10 mph would be my
guess), but being non-amphib and obviously much lighter, would be a
rocketship off the water.
I like the Lotus floats for the same reasons you do, the ability to bump
into things without much concern. My dislikes are rough water capability,
step turning capability, general handling issues compared to a hard float,
Utraviolet damage issues, air pressue monitoring, and no storage
compartments. But they do work on our little planes.
Here are a few pics showing what my Fox does (I can't download or upload
video on my chipmunk powered internet dial up service, so this is the best I
can do...)
I wish I could as your video sounds cool!
Paul Seehafer
Kitfox IV 912ul Amphib
----- Original Message -----
From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:28 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New float flying vid
>
> With the IFA I set it at minimum pitch (high pitch blades) that gives me
> about 6150 to 6250 on the take off run, as soon as I break water and pick
> the nose up it jumps to 6400 so I start adding pitch to keep RPM and EGT
> under control. In cruise I set power and prop to give me 5800 and 1100
> EGT. This works out to a fuel burn of about 5 gallons and hour and 70
> knots GS depending on wind.
>
> I have heard arguments that the 3 blade WARP pulls harder than the IVO If
> the 72" is comparable or slightly better than the WARP I would really like
> to try it out. I cant justify the money at this time for a 912, but
> damn... I sure would like to fly one on floats to see what the extra power
> would do, I am betting that the extra 20 ponies would make one hellofa
> bird out of this..
>
> As it is with the 582, full fuel, gear (decoys guns etc) and just me it is
> one heck of a plane, but add another 200# passenger and she is lacking on
> the water. I normally have to make a gear run solo, then come back and
> pick up the passenger. this is to be expected as I am asking a bit more
> than she was designed to do...... Once in the air it is fine, but getting
> from water to air takes a bit of room.
>
> All in all, I am not sure one can ask for a better plane for the money
> spent ( you could ask but would be stupid for doing so), and for dang sure
> you cant have more fun than this and keep your clothes on!
>
> --------
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> 95% complete
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135516#135516
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox Flight Sim |
Occasionally I do a bit of flying the kitfox on Flight Sim I have a model
IV that I've adjusted to fly like a 582 with the right sounds too and of
course changed the colour schemes to match my own plane. The only problem
is my plane is on floats and I haven's seen anything like the Kitfox on
floats. Has any one written one??
I have tried to convert a Super Cub to a Kitfox but can't get the ailerons
right.
Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Landing in Treetops |
The alternative is the one left unspoken, and that is to leave yourself an "out."
The fun of flying Kitfoxes is flying low for a lot of people. Unfortunately,
they are combining that with home-spun fuel and electrical systems. If you're
going to fly low enough to limit your choices, accept the potential consequences.
For most cases, the "out" is simply to have enough altitude to have a choice of
where you're going to have a forced landing. Think of how far you can glide
with an additional thousand feet of altitude. Or, if need be, with 2000 or even
5000 feet. It's like buying insurance in that it gives you gliding distance
and the probability of SOME field increases by calculating the difference between
the radius (your range) and the area of a circle (available landing sites).
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Flight Sim |
what flight sim? any chance of getting a copy of the plane files? I like to play
on the sim while I am at work for 2 weeks and would like to get your plane.
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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