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1. 05:10 AM - Re: 3 leaf tail spring. Bolt size (dave)
2. 06:42 AM - Re: 3 leaf tail spring. Bolt size (dave)
3. 08:14 AM - Why glue? - Was tail spring bolt size (Marco Menezes)
4. 08:48 AM - Re: czech floats (Gregory Cronin)
5. 09:14 AM - Re: czech floats (john oakley)
6. 09:31 AM - Re: Why glue? - Was tail spring bolt size (Tom Jones)
7. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: 3 leaf tail spring. Bolt size (Noel Loveys)
8. 11:00 AM - Re: 3 leaf tail spring. Bolt size (dave)
9. 11:16 AM - Re: 3 leaf tail spring. Bolt size (Rexinator)
10. 11:37 AM - Lee Bottom, anyone? (Lynn Matteson)
11. 11:52 AM - Re: czech floats ()
12. 03:16 PM - Re: Lee Bottom, anyone? (dwight purdy)
13. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: East Coast Kitfox Gathering! (RAY Gignac)
14. 05:00 PM - Re: East Coast Kitfox Gathering! (pilotpat)
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| Subject: | Re: 3 leaf tail spring. Bolt size |
Took off 30 mins ago , got to 100 feet and all windows fogged over.
open door flew into sun till it dis-appeared.
Landed 15 mins later........ 200 feet from hangar on grass strip and "CLUNK"
tail drops..... goes through my head - could it be my three leaf spring just
gave in? OR did that BOLT that did not go through the self locking not far
enough just fall out ?
Regardless-------- I stomped on brakes and hit throttle and got tail off ground
and kept it off till i got to hangar then even turned it while tail still in
air and shut down.........
Tailwheel bolt had fallen out ------ >> NO DAMAGE
oh well put another in later :)
Happy ending but i should have read and REACTED to my post YESTERDAY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> The 7/16 bolt on tailwheel will likely be too short as it now goes through 2
leaves rather than one. I took off the washer and used it anyhow but the bolt
is not through the self locking nut far enough. Thanks for the reminder to replace
it before it falls off
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
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| Subject: | Re: 3 leaf tail spring. Bolt size |
another bolt put in
test flew
seems ok now
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
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| Subject: | Why glue? - Was tail spring bolt size |
This and previous discussions have convinced me to replace my (unbroken) single
leaf this winter. So I'm wondering: Given the problems experienced by many with
broken tail springs, why would anyone glue this bolt in place to start with?
Factory recommendation?
Geir Olav ien <geir_olav@c2i.net> wrote:
I built the plane, and i made a inspection hole close to the tail spring
bolt. I did not glue the bolt in place, only used mastinox on it (anti
corrosive). So it is no problem to remove and get access to the bolt.
Thanks for the tips.
Geir Olav ien
Kitfox IV Jabiru 2200
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] P vegne av Lynn
Matteson
Sendt: 23. september 2007 14:36
Til: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Emne: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 3 leaf tail spring. Bolt size
Depending on how the original builder built the plane, this bolt may
or may not be glued in place. In building mine I glued (structural
adhesive...Hysol 9460) the bolt in place, and when I needed to remove
it for the thicker spring/longer bolt, it was a simple matter to
shield the fabric with a metal plate with a hole drilled in it, then
heat the bolt on the threads. The heat will travel up the bolt,
soften the adhesive and allow the bolt to be pushed up into the
fuselage. I have an inspection hole nearby to facilitate work done in
this area. If you don't have this hole, I think you'll have to remove
the hort. stab to reach the area....maybe not.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/400+ hrs
On Sep 23, 2007, at 3:32 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
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> On Sep 23, 2007, at 4:12 AM, Tom Jones wrote:
>> If you are installing 2 main leaves plus a helper leaf you
>> probably should add 2 (1/4 inch) to each of the above AN dash
>> numbers.
>
> Yes, you will have to do that, Geir. And the bad news is: the main
> bolt is - as I understand it - glued inside the fuselage and you
> will need to heat it for removal.
>
> Med vennlig hilsen,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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Is anyone here flying the Czech floats currently?
If so please let us all know what you think.
Thanks!
gc
1:53 PM
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Me too,
I sold my aerocet amphibs to Dan Denny a few years ago and really want to
replace them next year. The Czech floats seem fairly strong, though not for
rough beaching.
John Oakley
Fox 4 long and short
Cap - 912ul
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gregory Cronin
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: czech floats
Is anyone here flying the Czech floats currently?
If so please let us all know what you think.
Thanks!
gc
1:53 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Why glue? - Was tail spring bolt size |
> This and previous discussions have convinced me to replace my (unbroken) single
leaf this winter. So I'm wondering: Given the problems experienced by many
with broken tail springs, why would anyone glue this bolt in place to start with?
Factory recommendation?
The builder's manual recommeds epoxying the bolt because it is difficult to access
it after the plane is assembled. My opinion...now...is that an inspection
ring located to access that bolt is a better idea.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: 3 leaf tail spring. Bolt size |
Hope it's a longer one and "in safety".
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:12 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 3 leaf tail spring. Bolt size
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> another bolt put in
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> seems ok now
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> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: 3 leaf tail spring. Bolt size |
Noel, did not have a AN bolt so i used a grade 5 bolts course thread with a lock
washer.
Then After it done I drilled it and put in a cotter pin LOL
not AC 43.11 but it just a tailwheel....
next order i get a 7/16 " bolt the right length :)
maybe it will bust again by then > ?
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
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http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: 3 leaf tail spring. Bolt size |
This is one of those funny things that happen (this time!) where you
can laugh at yourself. Glad to hear it worked out OK.
(I read the latest post that you have replaced the bolt)
do not archive
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
dave wrote:
>
>Landed 15 mins later........ 200 feet from hangar on grass strip and "CLUNK"
tail drops..... goes through my head - could it be my three leaf spring just
gave in? OR did that BOLT that did not go through the self locking not far
enough just fall out ?
>Regardless-------- I stomped on brakes and hit throttle and got tail off ground
and kept it off till i got to hangar then even turned it while tail still in
air and shut down.........
>
>Tailwheel bolt had fallen out ------ >> NO DAMAGE
>oh well put another in later :)
>
>Happy ending but i should have read and REACTED to my post YESTERDAY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>The 7/16 bolt on tailwheel will likely be too short as it now goes through 2
leaves rather than one. I took off the washer and used it anyhow but the bolt
is not through the self locking nut far enough. Thanks for the reminder to replace
it before it falls off
>>
>>
>
>
>--------
>Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
>Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
>http://www.cfisher.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | Lee Bottom, anyone? |
There is a fly-in at Lee Bottom (64I), near Hanover, IN this
Saturday, called "Wood, Fabric, and Tailwheels" The website is:
http://www.leebottom.com/fly%20in.htm
It sounds like an interesting get-together, and because I've got all
those components on my plane, I'm going...anybody else game? Marco,
you expressed interest...you goin"?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/400+ hrs
do not archive
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Yes, I'm flying the 1650s with my first water landings yesterday. I landed
about
9am yesterday morning in no wind and glassy conditions. They felt great touching
down and there was not much tendency to pitch forward considering the smooth water
condition. As I can off the step, the nose came up like normal and then settle
in
fairly flat......maybe a little too flat as some water made its way over the front
of the float. Idle taxing I could see water building up in front of the float
which
I blamed on the large front cavity where the nosewheel sits. Just for kicks I
wanted to see how long it would take to get on step before I turned around to depart
but it could not climb up on step no matter what I tried. Now I'm concerned about
how the floats are sitting in the water (nearly flat). To make a long story short,
I ended up adding about 10 lbs to the rear compartment of each float to get off
the
water. First try it was up on step almost instantly but the wind and water
conditions had also changed to 10 mph. Multiple takeoffs and landings with great
results. Fast off the water and very smooth on!
I'll try again in the next few days but I'm hoping I won't have to keep the
extra
weight in the floats and that the reason the water came over the top was more of
an
amphib problem than a rigging problem.
Any thoughts?
Kevin Cozik
S6 Czech 1650s
914 turbo
Lansing Michigan
On Mon Sep 24 11:46 , 'Gregory Cronin' <greg@case-assembly.com> sent:
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>Is anyone here flying the Czech floats currently?
>
>If so please let us all know what you think.
>
>Thanks!
>gc
>
>1:53 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Lee Bottom, anyone? |
I have wanted for some time to attend. I could meet up with you on your way
down if I had a few less hours on my 503(483). I've been staying close to
home till I get it replaced.
Dwight Purdy
model ll
At 02:41 PM 9/24/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>
>There is a fly-in at Lee Bottom (64I), near Hanover, IN this
>Saturday, called "Wood, Fabric, and Tailwheels" The website is:
>http://www.leebottom.com/fly%20in.htm
>
>It sounds like an interesting get-together, and because I've got all
>those components on my plane, I'm going...anybody else game? Marco,
>you expressed interest...you goin"?
>
>
>Lynn Matteson
>Grass Lake, Michigan
>Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
>flying w/400+ hrs
>do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: East Coast Kitfox Gathering! |
Were in PA are you, I flew to Shoestring airfield in PA last month, nice gr
ass fields and a friend has a Kitfox at that field. Lets meet up and do so
me PA flying.
Ray> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: East Coast Kitfox Gathering!> From: pkelly20
@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:44:25 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matron
net>> > theres a few of us kitfoxers here in PA and would love to make the
trip but no can do this time. but following your info and did see a real ni
ce web site to campbell field. here is the link> > http://www.campbellfield
airport.com/> > Looks really nice and will make plans to get there sooner o
r later.> > Have a great trip and keep us posted> > do not archive> > -----
---> Pilotpat> Kitfox Classic IV> Jabiru 2200> Williamsport , PA> > > > > R
ead this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p
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| Subject: | Re: East Coast Kitfox Gathering! |
located at (P96) which is Jersey Shore, PA we have 2 kitfoxers there (1) avid
and there are a few other guys not far from there that also have kitfoxes.....its
a nice over 3000 ft level grass strip kept really good. North Central PA
just East of Lock Haven , PA (LHV) the piper cub home.and West of Williamport (IPT)
hope this helps , where u located? I can email too so as not to mess up
this site. should be on my signature
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Pilotpat
Kitfox Classic IV
Jabiru 2200
Williamsport , PA
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