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1. 01:07 AM - ivoprop removal (JOHN BOOTH)
2. 06:59 AM - Re: ivoprop removal (akflyer)
3. 07:12 AM - Throttle (floran higgins)
4. 07:38 AM - Re: Throttle (john oakley)
5. 08:07 AM - Re: ivoprop removal (Sjklerks@aol.com)
6. 08:53 AM - Re: Final Cerification (Guy Buchanan)
7. 09:12 AM - Re: Final Cerification (fox5flyer)
8. 10:03 AM - Re: Throttle (floran higgins)
9. 10:13 AM - Rotax 582 compressions (Frank Miles)
10. 10:39 AM - Re: Rotax 582 compressions (Guy Buchanan)
11. 11:08 AM - Re: Throttle (Barry West)
12. 11:08 AM - Re: Rotax 582 compressions (dave)
13. 11:19 AM - Re: Re: Tailwheel bolt went off.... and the rest (Noel Loveys)
14. 11:26 AM - Re: Tailwheel bolt went off.... and the rest (dave)
15. 12:08 PM - tail wheels (john oakley)
16. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel bolt went off.... and the rest (Randy Daughenbaugh)
17. 12:56 PM - Re: Tailwheel bolt went off.... and the rest (dave)
18. 01:25 PM - Re: ivoprop removal (eskflyer)
19. 01:37 PM - Re: Rotax 582 compressions (Noel Loveys)
20. 02:39 PM - Re: Rotax 582 compressions (C260B@aol.com)
21. 02:45 PM - Re: ivoprop removal (akflyer)
22. 05:12 PM - tail wheels (fox5flyer)
23. 06:10 PM - Re: tail wheels (john oakley)
24. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: ivoprop removal (Noel Loveys)
25. 07:09 PM - Re: Throttle (floran higgins)
26. 11:01 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
27. 11:05 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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hi, first posting, i've got a 3 blade ivoprop on a c gearbox, 618 on mk3
kitfox, the engines has to be removed, i've taken out the big screw in
the spinner, but it won't move at all, is it just brute force now to
remove it or have i missed something? hot air gun perhaps? any input
welcomed, thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: ivoprop removal |
I think you are asking how to get the spinner off.. It is possible that the spinner
is corroded to the prop hub. nothing else should be holding the spinner
on other that the screw in the end of it.
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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This is a question for those who have a 912 ULS engine and a push-pull
throttle with a friction lock.
I removed the verner throttle and installed a push-pull throttle.
I flew it yesterday for the first time. It was hard to manage the
throttle as the throttle springs would cause the throttle to creep open
unless it was locked down tight.
Did you remove the throttle springs, install lighter springs or do you
just have to get used to locking the throttle?
Any advice would be apprecated.
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt
Speedster
912ULS
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Floran,
I removed the springs on my 912ul, it is much easier to use now and more
airplane like.
I have been using this for 8 years now. Just for a note, I also removed my
chokes and installed an aircraft primer at the same time. It starts on the
2nd blade every time.
John Oakley
Speedster 4 long and short
912ul cap
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of floran higgins
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:12 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Throttle
This is a question for those who have a 912 ULS engine and a push-pull
throttle with a friction lock.
I removed the verner throttle and installed a push-pull throttle.
I flew it yesterday for the first time. It was hard to manage the throttle
as the throttle springs would cause the throttle to creep open unless it was
locked down tight.
Did you remove the throttle springs, install lighter springs or do you just
have to get used to locking the throttle?
Any advice would be apprecated.
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt
Speedster
912ULS
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| Subject: | Re: ivoprop removal |
Hi John, it may have locktite on the threads of the bolt. I put locktite on
the threads on mine to make sure it stays there.
Jim
model IV-912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Final Cerification |
At 11:48 PM 9/30/2007, you wrote:
>Well I finally finished the 40 hr test period and received my non
>terminating Certificate on Airworthiness! Aircraft flying
>beautifully. John A New Zealand. Kitfox Series 5 EA 81 Turbo
Congratulations John! I guess it's time for some cross country. Tell
us a little about flying in New Zealand. I've heard a good bit about
Australia, but nothing about New Zealand. Is it practical to go
north/south to all the islands? What's the flying time between
islands? What's the flying time end to end? Are there lots of strips?
Is flying popular / necessary?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Final Cerification |
Congrats to you John. By the looks of the photo you've done an outstanding
job building it and I'm sure you'll have many trouble free hours of flying.
Regards,
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 365+ TT
>
> Well I finally finished the 40 hr test period and received my non
> terminating Certificate on Airworthiness! Aircraft flying beautifully.
> John A New Zealand. Kitfox Series 5 EA 81 Turbo
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Thanks for the infromation.
I installed the primer system several years ago.It starts much better
than with the chokes
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt.
Speedster
912ULS
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From: john oakley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:37 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Throttle
Floran,
I removed the springs on my 912ul, it is much easier to use now and
more airplane like.
I have been using this for 8 years now. Just for a note, I also
removed my chokes and installed an aircraft primer at the same time. It
starts on the 2nd blade every time.
John Oakley
Speedster 4 long and short
912ul cap
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of floran
higgins
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:12 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Throttle
This is a question for those who have a 912 ULS engine and a push-pull
throttle with a friction lock.
I removed the verner throttle and installed a push-pull throttle.
I flew it yesterday for the first time. It was hard to manage the
throttle as the throttle springs would cause the throttle to creep open
unless it was locked down tight.
Did you remove the throttle springs, install lighter springs or do you
just have to get used to locking the throttle?
Any advice would be apprecated.
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt
Speedster
912ULS
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| Subject: | Rotax 582 compressions |
Does anyone know what the normal compression range is for the Rotax 582?
Second question; the engine manual speaks of decarboning the engine after so
many hours, are the oil injected engines as prone to carbon as the engines
with the fuel and oil mixed?
Frank Miles
Klll w/ 582
10:20 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 582 compressions |
At 10:12 AM 10/1/2007, you wrote:
>Does anyone know what the normal compression range is for the Rotax 582?
I couldn't find a recommendation. I get 118 to 125 psi, depending on
the carbon load. I just use it as a relative number anyway.
>Second question; the engine manual speaks of decarboning the engine
>after so many hours, are the oil injected engines as prone to carbon
>as the engines with the fuel and oil mixed?
I've never heard of a difference in all the literature I've read. Bob
Robertson did, however, say that he no longer de-carbons at 50 hour
intervals, waiting instead until the 150 hour rebuild. I also found
http://www.decalinchemicals.com/DeeCarb.html which I'm thinking of
trying. I spoke with the developer and he had no experience with
2-strokes, but suggested it should work. (I already use his Decalin
lead scavenger in my 582.)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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Floran, my first question is, why did you remove the vernier throttle?
That is what I would like to have. I don't like the friction throttle
and plan to do something about it. I don't feel like removing the
springs will solve my problems. The springs are there for a safety
reason. My real problem is that the cables are all messed up on the
ends and it is not apparent that the cables can be replaced in the
throttle cartridge.
Has anyone ever replace the cables in the friction throttle?
Barry West
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From: john oakley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:37 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Throttle
Floran,
I removed the springs on my 912ul, it is much easier to use now and
more airplane like.
I have been using this for 8 years now. Just for a note, I also
removed my chokes and installed an aircraft primer at the same time. It
starts on the 2nd blade every time.
John Oakley
Speedster 4 long and short
912ul cap
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of floran
higgins
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:12 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Throttle
This is a question for those who have a 912 ULS engine and a push-pull
throttle with a friction lock.
I removed the verner throttle and installed a push-pull throttle.
I flew it yesterday for the first time. It was hard to manage the
throttle as the throttle springs would cause the throttle to creep open
unless it was locked down tight.
Did you remove the throttle springs, install lighter springs or do you
just have to get used to locking the throttle?
Any advice would be apprecated.
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt
Speedster
912ULS
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 582 compressions |
My current 582 in Kitfox IV has 582 which was brand new in June 2006 and has
over 300 hours on it and NEVER been apart yet.
I use only API-TC rated oil and the brand is Bombardier XPS mineral oil.
My last plugs went 152 hours , here hey are here http://www.cfisher.com/152hournkg.html
That being said, Rotax does recommend 150 hours so I maybe pushing the limit here.
Time will certainly tell.
I also use Rotax NGK plugs which some will argue but my experience shows they do last better. http://www.cfisher.com/ngk/
Plus the alum tips ones can cause you to blow your 5k ohm resistor caps.
Call Bob and ask him :) this # is here TOLL FREE -tell him what a a dork i am
for going 300 hours on my 582
Dave
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel bolt went off.... and the rest |
I think it may be of some value to post a few pictures. The next time
a
spring breaks take a few pix so we can all see how/where the springs are
cracking. I for one have never flown my 'Fox off any thing but water.
The
idea of wheels or better yet, skis, interests me.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
m4785@bellsouth.net
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:25 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tailwheel bolt went off.... and the rest
Curious why you stripped the covering,Ihave a kitfox 4 with a 2leaf
spring
and no problems yet with the tail wheel...lots of 3 point landings..some
graceful&some not...
I have hear some folks are going to 3 leaf springs,maybe that might
work as
a solution..
Did you have a hard landing when this occured?, or do you think this
is a
structural failure in the mounting brackets,and/or metal fatage on the
the
bolts them selves.....A/N hardware?
Note: epoxy braced fills [metal on wood] will give a harmonic that the
wood
might not support,succesfully causing a fracture in the high stress
point...
Thanks ...Mark..N61AC
-------------- Original message from "Zimmermans" <jezim@pro-ns.net>:
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel bolt went off.... and the rest |
I would venture to guess that the ones who do more landings on rougher strips
and off airfields will have more failures.
I have the three leaf on now and no complaints - > YET <
I rarely see paved surfaces - more roads than airports
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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Hi guys,
I have been flying a grove aluminum tail spring for 8 years. Has any body
been talking about them, has there been a problem you know of?
John Oakley
Speedster 4 long and short
912ul cap
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel bolt went off.... and the rest |
I have the aluminum spring gear. I understand it is no longer offered. I
nearly always land on rough fields. Should I be changing to a three leaf
spring before I have problems?
Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH 180 hours
Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip
Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:26 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tailwheel bolt went off.... and the rest
I would venture to guess that the ones who do more landings on rougher
strips and off airfields will have more failures.
I have the three leaf on now and no complaints - > YET <
I rarely see paved surfaces - more roads than airports
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137465#137465
1:32 PM
1:32 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel bolt went off.... and the rest |
Randy - i have never had a solid alum gear . Grove ?
no idea how they hold up.
I like my bungee gear , light and simple
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: ivoprop removal |
If the prop was put on according to the manufacturer then it has silicone around
the back flange area . Yes it is a **** getting it off . hit is sideways and
should pop off or use thin flat pry bar to pop the silicone loose .
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FLY FUN FLY LOW FLY SLOW
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
582 cbox 2:62-1 IVO IFA
Leni's FULL-LOTUS floats on MY plane forever
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| Subject: | Rotax 582 compressions |
Those automotive compression testers are the most lying consarnd things
ever
created. Too many variables to have any accuracy, starting with the
cranking speed. Differential is the only way to go only thing is if you
hear air escaping it will be through the exhaust and the intake at the
same
time and the only thing it can be is the piston rings. try to keep the
cylinders above 70/80.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy
Buchanan
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 582 compressions
At 10:12 AM 10/1/2007, you wrote:
Does anyone know what the normal compression range is for the Rotax 582?
I couldn't find a recommendation. I get 118 to 125 psi, depending on the
carbon load. I just use it as a relative number anyway.
Second question; the engine manual speaks of decarboning the engine
after so
many hours, are the oil injected engines as prone to carbon as the
engines
with the fuel and oil mixed?
I've never heard of a difference in all the literature I've read. Bob
Robertson did, however, say that he no longer de-carbons at 50 hour
intervals, waiting instead until the 150 hour rebuild. I also found
http://www.decalinchemicals.com/DeeCarb.html which I'm thinking of
trying. I
spoke with the developer and he had no experience with 2-strokes, but
suggested it should work. (I already use his Decalin lead scavenger in
my
582.)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 582 compressions |
Hey everbody,
i have an almost new International 2si 460 F35 engine for sale. 3 hr TT.
missing carb and exhaust. anybody interested? send me an offer.
shawn
c260b@aol.com
**************************************
See what's new at
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| Subject: | Re: ivoprop removal |
hi, first posting, i've got a 3 blade ivoprop on a c gearbox, 618 on mk3 kitfox,
the engines has to be removed, i've taken out the big screw in the spinner,
but it won't move at all, is it just brute force now to remove it or have i missed
something? hot air gun perhaps? any input welcomed, thanks.
[quote][b]
According to the above quote, as was originally posted, he states that he removed
the screw in the spinner, does not say I removed the 6 bolts that hold the
prop to the flange and it still wont come off...
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137502#137502
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MessageJohn, I also have the Grove aluminum tailwheel spring on my S5
since May 2000. At first I installed the S5 spring, but found it was
too stiff so Robby Grove swapped me for the S4 spring even after I'd
drilled it. It is still a bit stiff, but does a good job combined with
my Maule Tundra pneumatic tailwheel. About 95 percent of my operations
are off of rough fields and it has held up well so far. I do recall one
failure though. As I recall the spring broke near the bend and I think
that the failure was caused by excessive side-to-side movement, but
don't quote me on that. It was several years ago. I wasn't aware that
Grove was no longer supplying those springs. Too bad.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 365+ TT
----- Original Message -----
Hi guys,
I have been flying a grove aluminum tail spring for 8 years. Has any
body been talking about them, has there been a problem you know of?
John Oakley
Speedster 4 long and short
912ul cap
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Deke,
Thanks for the return. There seem to be a handful of us that are using the
grove tail spring. All the talk about 3 spring systems has made a few of us
edgy. I only knew of one failure and it was on an RV. Just checking, I did
use a rubber pad under mine so it would not rub on the metal edge of the
mount, I believe that was what caused the RV problem.
Thanks again.
john
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:09 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: tail wheels
John, I also have the Grove aluminum tailwheel spring on my S5 since May
2000. At first I installed the S5 spring, but found it was too stiff so
Robby Grove swapped me for the S4 spring even after I'd drilled it. It is
still a bit stiff, but does a good job combined with my Maule Tundra
pneumatic tailwheel. About 95 percent of my operations are off of rough
fields and it has held up well so far. I do recall one failure though. As
I recall the spring broke near the bend and I think that the failure was
caused by excessive side-to-side movement, but don't quote me on that. It
was several years ago. I wasn't aware that Grove was no longer supplying
those springs. Too bad.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 365+ TT
----- Original Message -----
Hi guys,
I have been flying a grove aluminum tail spring for 8 years. Has any body
been talking about them, has there been a problem you know of?
John Oakley
Speedster 4 long and short
912ul cap
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| Subject: | Re: ivoprop removal |
I think what's a bit confusing is whether or not he has removed the spinner.
For the sake of clarity, the spinner should come off easily after the centre
bolt is removed.... Inside the spinner he will find the six bolts that
actually hold the prop to the flange plate. They may be, but are not
supposed to be, lockwired. The amount of heat that it would require to
otherwise remove the prop without removing the mounting bolts would also
remove the plane ;-)
Sorry guys this must be the start of the silly season... Any one want to
discuss Scotchbrite colours???
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:15 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: ivoprop removal
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> hi, first posting, i've got a 3 blade ivoprop on a c gearbox,
> 618 on mk3 kitfox, the engines has to be removed, i've taken
> out the big screw in the spinner, but it won't move at all,
> is it just brute force now to remove it or have i missed
> something? hot air gun perhaps? any input welcomed, thanks.
> [quote][b]
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> According to the above quote, as was originally posted, he
> states that he removed the screw in the spinner, does not say
> I removed the 6 bolts that hold the prop to the flange and it
> still wont come off...
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> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> 95% complete
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137502#137502
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I flew a whole career in airplanes that had a push pull throttle and
feel more comfortable with it.
I find that I can milk the throttle better when I am flying on the edge
of a stall going into a very short strip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry West
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Throttle
Floran, my first question is, why did you remove the vernier throttle?
That is what I would like to have. I don't like the friction throttle
and plan to do something about it. I don't feel like removing the
springs will solve my problems. The springs are there for a safety
reason. My real problem is that the cables are all messed up on the
ends and it is not apparent that the cables can be replaced in the
throttle cartridge.
Has anyone ever replace the cables in the friction throttle?
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
From: john oakley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:37 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Throttle
Floran,
I removed the springs on my 912ul, it is much easier to use now and
more airplane like.
I have been using this for 8 years now. Just for a note, I also
removed my chokes and installed an aircraft primer at the same time. It
starts on the 2nd blade every time.
John Oakley
Speedster 4 long and short
912ul cap
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of floran
higgins
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:12 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Throttle
This is a question for those who have a 912 ULS engine and a
push-pull throttle with a friction lock.
I removed the verner throttle and installed a push-pull throttle.
I flew it yesterday for the first time. It was hard to manage the
throttle as the throttle springs would cause the throttle to creep open
unless it was locked down tight.
Did you remove the throttle springs, install lighter springs or do
you just have to get used to locking the throttle?
Any advice would be apprecated.
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt
Speedster
912ULS
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
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Dear Listers,
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The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
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- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
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- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
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- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
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- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
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