---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/11/07: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:54 AM - Re: Fuel tanks and TCP (RAY Gignac) 2. 05:33 AM - Re: Fuel tanks and TCP (Andy Fultz) 3. 06:24 AM - Re: Fuel tanks and TCP (Guy Buchanan) 4. 07:07 AM - Re: Fuel tanks and TCP (Noel Loveys) 5. 07:44 AM - Re: Fuel tanks and TCP (jdmcbean) 6. 09:03 AM - Re: Fuel tanks and TCP (Lynn Matteson) 7. 03:37 PM - Re: Fuel tanks and TCP (Noel Loveys) 8. 04:16 PM - Opinions for a newbie? (Andrew Lawrence) 9. 04:33 PM - Re: Opinions for a newbie? (steve eccles) 10. 04:37 PM - Elevator Control Tube Guide Bushing (Lubrication) (RAY Gignac) 11. 05:45 PM - Re: Opinions for a newbie? (Andrew Lawrence) 12. 06:01 PM - Re: Elevator Control Tube Guide Bushing (Lubrication) (Tom Jones) 13. 06:05 PM - Re: Elevator Control Tube Guide Bushing (Lubrication) (Rick) 14. 06:06 PM - Re: Opinions for a newbie? (Tom Jones) 15. 11:13 PM - Re: Opinions for a newbie? (Michel Verheughe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:42 AM PST US From: RAY Gignac Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks and TCP John, thanks for you help on the oil change issue! I was doing that one st ep wrong. I will be doing the purge everytime I do my oil change. By the way, I use TCP also, can't use auto gas because of the ethonal. Ray> From: john@leptron.com> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Ki tfox-List: Fuel tanks and TCP> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:11:33 -0600> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john oakley" > > I have been running tcp for 8 years, no problem I know of... crap, why did> you br ing that up, something else to worry about...:-)> > John Oakley> Speedster 4 long and short wings> 912 ul cap> > -----Original Message-----> From: own er-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Fultz> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:58 P M> To: Kitfox List; Avid List> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks and TCP> > > Here's another question regarding our fiberglass fuel tanks.... If I wer e> to run 100LL to avoid alcohol and then added TCP to help get the lead ou t,> what's that combination going to do to my fiberglass tanks? Has anybody run> TCP in their fiberglass tanks? Thanks guys.> > Andy F.> > > > > > > > ==============> > > _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!- Play Star Shuffle:- the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc t ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:08 AM PST US From: "Andy Fultz" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks and TCP John Boy, If you have been doing it for 8 years with no problems, I'd say we have nothing to worry about. I hope to be putting fuel in my tanks before too long and I'm looking at my options. Andy F. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of john oakley Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:12 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks and TCP I have been running tcp for 8 years, no problem I know of... crap, why did you bring that up, something else to worry about...:-) John Oakley Speedster 4 long and short wings 912 ul cap -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Fultz Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks and TCP Here's another question regarding our fiberglass fuel tanks.... If I were to run 100LL to avoid alcohol and then added TCP to help get the lead out, what's that combination going to do to my fiberglass tanks? Has anybody run TCP in their fiberglass tanks? Thanks guys. Andy F. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:49 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks and TCP At 08:58 PM 10/10/2007, you wrote: >Has anybody run >TCP in their fiberglass tanks? I've been using Decalin, a TCP substitute, for about 1 1/2 years with Kreemed tanks with no problem. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:33 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks and TCP I brought this question up on another list. The consensus form people who actually use TCP is it didn't hurt the tanks in any way. It protects the engine from lead plating on the main (roller) bearings. I think you will find you will have to decarbonise and swap plugs more often. There was also several guys who said they used straight 100LL with no problems other than the spark plugs need to be changed much more often. Finally I met one guy who said he had been running his two stroke equipment, outboard motors, generators etc. on 100LL for years with no problems. His reason for doing that is he ran hunting lodges and only stocked 100LL for use in his planes. AVGAS was quite a bit cheaper here than MOGAS,( less taxes), so I expect he had an ulterior motive. FWIW Regular MOGAS here is $1.09.9/L that works out to $4.18/U.S. Gal.CDN or $4.25/U.S. Gal AVGAS at the local airport is now $1.62.3/L +15% tax = $1.87/L CDN. Or $7.09/U.S. Gal CDN or around $7.25/U.S.Gal USD. How times have changed. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Andy Fultz > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:28 AM > To: Kitfox List; Avid List > Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks and TCP > > > > > Here's another question regarding our fiberglass fuel > tanks.... If I were > to run 100LL to avoid alcohol and then added TCP to help get > the lead out, > what's that combination going to do to my fiberglass tanks? > Has anybody run > TCP in their fiberglass tanks? Thanks guys. > > Andy F. > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:26 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks and TCP We sell the Decalin TCP and have been using it in several aircraft with accumulations of well over 1500 hours with no issues... Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy Fultz Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks and TCP Here's another question regarding our fiberglass fuel tanks.... If I were to run 100LL to avoid alcohol and then added TCP to help get the lead out, what's that combination going to do to my fiberglass tanks? Has anybody run TCP in their fiberglass tanks? Thanks guys. Andy F. 9:11 AM 9:11 AM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:16 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks and TCP Noel- Did you REALLY mean to say that with TCP in 100 LL "you will find you will have to decarbonise and swap plugs more often?" That seems to be the opposite of why you use the TCP in the first place....to reduce lead fouling of the plugs? I don't use the stuff myself, having been told by my Jabiru dealer not to, but I still wanted to have the correct info. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/420+ hrs On Oct 11, 2007, at 9:59 AM, Noel Loveys wrote: > > I brought this question up on another list. The consensus form > people who > actually use TCP is it didn't hurt the tanks in any way. It > protects the > engine from lead plating on the main (roller) bearings. I think > you will > find you will have to decarbonise and swap plugs more often. > > Noel ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:29 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks and TCP My understanding is that the TCP prevents lead from plating out on the main bearings of the two stroke engine. I haven't heard that it stops the accumulation of grit on the plugs or the rings. On that point I may well be wrong. 100LL is not recommended for use in Rotax engines the Rotax manual gives reduced times for plug changes and ring decarbonising for engines operated on 100LL I can still get ethanol free MOGAS. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Lynn Matteson > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:37 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks and TCP > > > > Noel- > Did you REALLY mean to say that with TCP in 100 LL "you will > find you > will have to decarbonise and swap plugs more often?" That > seems to be > the opposite of why you use the TCP in the first place....to reduce > lead fouling of the plugs? > > I don't use the stuff myself, having been told by my Jabiru dealer > not to, but I still wanted to have the correct info. > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/420+ hrs > > On Oct 11, 2007, at 9:59 AM, Noel Loveys wrote: > > > > > > I brought this question up on another list. The consensus form > > people who > > actually use TCP is it didn't hurt the tanks in any way. It > > protects the > > engine from lead plating on the main (roller) bearings. I think > > you will > > find you will have to decarbonise and swap plugs more often. > > > > Noel > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:08 PM PST US From: Andrew Lawrence <1alawrence@earthlink.net> Subject: Kitfox-List: Opinions for a newbie? Hi guys, I am new here, and was reccomended by a friend. I am looking into getting a Kitfox somtime soon, and have one that I would like to bounce off you all, and a few questions. My situation is that I have about 15 hours of flying time in gliders, with 6-7 solo flights. I decided I wanted to move to power instead of gliders. What I am looking into is going in halves on a Kitfox, then getting LSA instruction. Here is the current plane that I am looking at, and some info about it: http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=198743 It is a Kitfox 2, it was repainted last year. The owner just wnated to freshen it up I guess. Empty weight is 492. It has an 8 Gallon tank and a brand new 532 motor, not rebuilt. The airframe has about 800 hours on it, and the new motor only 2 hours. Electric start, no oil injection, and Hydrolic brakes. My main question is around the 532. Is this a decent engine? He said the previous 532 he had in it had over 800 hours, with no rebuild. He decided rather than a rebuild to put the new 532 in. Please let me know what you think of this plane, and the motor. Andrew ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:13 PM PST US From: "steve eccles" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Opinions for a newbie? Andrew Looks pretty nice to me, I have a model V and just love it ...BUT if there is any way you can afford it I would not get a partner .. My brother had an ultralight with the 582 and really never had problems but that is all I I can say about it. Good luck with the project I think you will be Happy with the Kitfox. Another thing if at all possible try to find someone with a Kitfox so you could try it out. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lawrence Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 6:14 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Opinions for a newbie? Hi guys, I am new here, and was reccomended by a friend. I am looking into getting a Kitfox somtime soon, and have one that I would like to bounce off you all, and a few questions. My situation is that I have about 15 hours of flying time in gliders, with 6-7 solo flights. I decided I wanted to move to power instead of gliders. What I am looking into is going in halves on a Kitfox, then getting LSA instruction. Here is the current plane that I am looking at, and some info about it: http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=198743 It is a Kitfox 2, it was repainted last year. The owner just wnated to freshen it up I guess. Empty weight is 492. It has an 8 Gallon tank and a brand new 532 motor, not rebuilt. The airframe has about 800 hours on it, and the new motor only 2 hours. Electric start, no oil injection, and Hydrolic brakes. My main question is around the 532. Is this a decent engine? He said the previous 532 he had in it had over 800 hours, with no rebuild. He decided rather than a rebuild to put the new 532 in. Please let me know what you think of this plane, and the motor. Andrew ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:51 PM PST US From: RAY Gignac Subject: Kitfox-List: Elevator Control Tube Guide Bushing (Lubrication) I am doing my annual on my plane, and wanted to know if lubrication is requ ired for the guide bushing? if so LPS1 or TRIFLOW. Can someone help. Thanks Ray Gignac, N2BH Model IV, 1200 912uls _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook ' together at last. - Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL10062 6971033 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:44 PM PST US From: Andrew Lawrence <1alawrence@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Opinions for a newbie? Thanks for the info. I do know somone with a kitfox 4 so I may go up for a flight with him before commiting to buying this one. Unfortinately my finances will not allow me to pay the whole amount, so I need to partenr in. He is a good guy, I am sure that the 2 of us can work things out. Andrew -----Original Message----- >From: steve eccles >Sent: Oct 11, 2007 7:32 PM >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Opinions for a newbie? > > >Andrew >Looks pretty nice to me, I have a model V and just love it ...BUT if there is any way you can afford it I would not get a partner .. My brother had an ultralight with the 582 and really never had problems but that is all I I can say about it. >Good luck with the project I think you will be Happy with the Kitfox. Another thing if at all possible try to find someone with a Kitfox so you could try it out. >Steve > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lawrence >Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 6:14 PM >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: Opinions for a newbie? > > >Hi guys, > I am new here, and was reccomended by a friend. I am looking into getting a Kitfox somtime soon, and have one that I would like to bounce off you all, and a few questions. > >My situation is that I have about 15 hours of flying time in gliders, with 6-7 solo flights. I decided I wanted to move to power instead of gliders. What I am looking into is going in halves on a Kitfox, then getting LSA instruction. > >Here is the current plane that I am looking at, and some info about it: > >http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=198743 > >It is a Kitfox 2, it was repainted last year. The owner just wnated to freshen it up I guess. Empty weight is 492. It has an 8 Gallon tank and a brand new 532 motor, not rebuilt. The airframe has about 800 hours on it, and the new motor only 2 hours. Electric start, no oil injection, and Hydrolic brakes. > >My main question is around the 532. Is this a decent engine? He said the previous 532 he had in it had over 800 hours, with no rebuild. He decided rather than a rebuild to put the new 532 in. > >Please let me know what you think of this plane, and the motor. > >Andrew > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:17 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Elevator Control Tube Guide Bushing (Lubrication) From: "Tom Jones" Ray, some people lube the elevator tube midship bushing and some don't. I use white lithium graese on mine because that is what skystar used on their planes when I visited the factory in 1994. Smooth as silk! -------- Tom Jones Classic IV, Phase one 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139487#139487 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:27 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Elevator Control Tube Guide Bushing (Lubrication) FWIW I used tri flow, but the best thing you can do for that area is make a simple dust/dirt sock to keep crap out of there. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAY Gignac Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Elevator Control Tube Guide Bushing (Lubrication) I am doing my annual on my plane, and wanted to know if lubrication is required for the guide bushing? if so LPS1 or TRIFLOW. Can someone help. Thanks Ray Gignac, N2BH Model IV, 1200 912uls _____ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook - together at last. Get it now! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:55 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Opinions for a newbie? From: "Tom Jones" Andrew, the 532 is a good engine if you understand how to operate it. The 532 has not been produced for quite a few years. It may have single ignition and breaker points instead of solid state. It this one was pickled and stored properly it should be in good shape. I would want to know more on the history of the engine. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV, Phase one 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139489#139489 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:54 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Opinions for a newbie? On Oct 12, 2007, at 1:14 AM, Andrew Lawrence wrote: > Here is the current plane that I am looking at, and some info about it: Andrew, that model 2 looks beautiful on the photos! If I was you, I'd go for it. I understand your hesitance about the engine and I can't give you an advice; I only had a Rotax 582 and now a Jabiru 2200 on my model 3 but I love both engines. One thing that is for sure is that your few hours on a glider are worth every second of it if you are going to fly a taildragger Kitfox. It took me 17 hours with instructor before my first solo but my son, who had about 50 hours of glider 12 years ago, was allowed to fly solo after only 4 hours with the instructor on my Kitfox. When I asked him how his first Kitfox solo was, my son answered: "Not as exciting as the first glider solo, when you know you've got only one chance to land!" Good luck with your purchase! 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