Kitfox-List Digest Archive

Mon 10/15/07


Total Messages Posted: 27



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:06 AM - Re: Spar Sloshing (Brian Leach)
     2. 02:17 AM - Re: Fossil Fuels (Christoph Graf)
     3. 02:18 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox 2,rotax 582,VW 2100 swap (Steve Shinabery)
     4. 03:29 AM - Re: HKS? (dave)
     5. 03:50 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tanks and TCP (Noel Loveys)
     6. 03:58 AM - Re: Kitfox 2,rotax 582,VW 2100 swap (dave)
     7. 05:00 AM - Re: Kitfox/Railroad Container Question (Noel Loveys)
     8. 06:32 AM - Re: Fossil Fuels (Noel Loveys)
     9. 07:05 AM - Re: Kitfox/Railroad Container Question (paul wilson)
    10. 07:16 AM - Re: Help-Adding Aerocet 1100 floats to Kitfox IV-1200 (Larry)
    11. 07:19 AM - Re: kee west voltage regulator? (dave)
    12. 07:24 AM - Re: Spar Sloshing ()
    13. 08:01 AM - Re: Re: Help-Adding Aerocet 1100 floats to Kitfox IV-1200 (kitfoxjunky)
    14. 09:30 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tanks and TCP (dwight purdy)
    15. 12:33 PM - Re: Spar Sloshing (Brian Leach)
    16. 02:40 PM - Engine for sale (Gary Olson)
    17. 03:18 PM - Re: Help-Adding Aerocet 1100 floats to Kitfox IV-1200 (Larry)
    18. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: kee west voltage regulator? (Marco Menezes)
    19. 04:21 PM - Re: Help-Adding Aerocet 1100 floats to Kitfox IV-1200 (dave)
    20. 06:33 PM - More starting problems (wingnut)
    21. 06:48 PM - Re: Kitfox/Railroad Container Question (JSD)
    22. 08:06 PM - Re: kee west voltage regulator? (Glenn Horne)
    23. 08:48 PM - Re: More starting problems (Rick)
    24. 08:49 PM - Re: Help-Adding Aerocet 1100 floats to Kitfox IV-1200 (dholly)
    25. 09:08 PM - Re: More starting problems (wingnut)
    26. 09:19 PM - Re: Re: More starting problems (john oakley)
    27. 10:45 PM - Kitfox NIRVANA ()
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:06:16 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Leach" <leach@infogen.net.nz>
    Subject: Re: Spar Sloshing
    Leon I got some aerosol cans of etch primer and 12 feet of one eighth aluminium tube. Bend a right angle in the tube close to the end and stick the spray nozzle from a can in the end of the tube so it will squirt along in the middle of the spar. Then attach the can to the other end of the tube and slide it up the spar. No fuss, no mess, and it made a great job of painting the inside, and from memory I think two cans did all four spars. Brian


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    Time: 02:17:12 AM PST US
    From: "Christoph Graf" <chrigra@gmx.ch>
    Subject: Re: Fossil Fuels
    Hi As an engineer I am shure (and all studies show this, use linke below) that bio-fuel does NOT solve the CO2 problem, and does NOT solve the resource problem. Bio-fuel must be produced. If it is produced with corn (or sugar) the CO2 balance is worse than diesel per Kwh, the overall energy efficiency range is -10% (!) up to +20%. A bad deal, which cannot be a solution! Politicians only believe this. http://www.empa.ch/plugin/template/empa/3/60112/---/l=1 Christoph Switzerland KF IV/1050 -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser


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    Time: 02:18:24 AM PST US
    From: Steve Shinabery <shinco@bright.net>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox 2,rotax 582,VW 2100 swap
    Thanks 4 the help Ron:U may B right.that is why I am asking what to do.But all so i do like the HKS.because it is low on power.I need at least 80 true HP.I worry about the CGs,and the weight.and the HP out put.I still want to carry two people all so.so what is a Kitfoxer to do? Steve Shinabery,St.Marys Oh, kitfox2, N554KF 582 rotax. thanks Ron Ore ron schick wrote: > <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com> > > Steve I have a Kitfox IV Speedster with a type 1 VW. I went with the > Valley Engineering llc redrive to swing a big enough prop. The parts > are available through Great Plains Aircraft. Your model 2 might be a > little light for the added weight of the VW. Would definately fly, > but I would want to grease every landing. My original power was > 1915cc, but am building a 2275cc now and hope to have done in a couple > of weeks. I too build VW sandrails, but unlike the 6-7000 rpm 2332cc > 150+ horsepower jobs these need to be low compression low heat > motors. Not trying to disuade you, but my Avid a model is similar to > yours and just does not seem like it would tolerate the added weight. > I think that the HKS might be a better match. Ron NB Ore > > >> From: Steve Shinabery <shinco@bright.net> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox 2,rotax 582,VW 2100 swap >> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:17:34 -0400 >> >> >> I have a KF 2 with a 582 in it.it has 160TT.on engine + AF,I want to >> swap it out with a VW 2100.that I want to build up my self.I have >> done a lot of work on the VW engines.in sand rails etc.so I do know >> what I am doing on them plus I have help.but never built a VW engine >> for a airplane.so I need help in that area.but all so I am worred >> about the weight + balance etc.can this work in my kitfox?I would >> like to know befor I start building.please can any one direct me in >> the right direction?all so where I can get the engine parts for >> aircraft use for the VW engine. Thanks Steve Shinabery,St.Marys Oh, >> KF2,582 gray head,TT160 hr.,N554KF >> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Capture the missing critters! Play Search Queries and earn great > prizes. > http://club.live.com/search_queries.aspx?icid=sq_hotmailtextlink1_oct > >


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    Time: 03:29:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: HKS?
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    Interesting topic 582 vs HKS. What cruise speed so you get with the HKS ? If you read the past post of mine you will see that the 582 in the Kitfox with the exhaust mod done by Denny and Skystar cuts the max 64 hp from the 582 to I am only guessing to 58 to 60 HP but fuel flow still the same. Would be more than happy to compare results for performance. Post some videos like i did to show how it actually performs. My videos are all done before i corrected my exhaust so I can say the HP would be about the same as the HKS. http://www.cfisher.com/ > I can tell you that the HKS preforms just as well as the 582 in takeoff run climb and does much better in cruise and of course at 3 gph vs 4.5 of fuel it can fly 4.7 hrs vs 3 hr with my 15 gal of fuel. > I'll fly against any 582 any day and it will be a real contest and the 582 will lose. > -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140030#140030


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    Time: 03:50:40 AM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: Fuel tanks and TCP
    Michel: A lot of what you say is spot on. The lobbyists for ethanol are not willing to mention the amount of CO2 given off when the corn is fermented. They also refuse for some reason to include the fossil fuels used to plant, irrigate harvest and transport the raw corn. They also won't discuss the amount of fossil fuel required to transport the distilled ethanol to refineries. Ethanol cannot be sent through pipelines as water is used to separate different grades of fuel in the same pipeline. Ethanol forms a solution with water and there is some fear of corrosion inside the pipeline too. Last week there was a chemical engineer on the Discovery channel here. The discovery channel specializes in science programming. This engineer said that burning ethanol and bio diesel actually gives off a gaseous compound that attacks the ozone layers. I agree whole heartedly with you that burning fossil fuels is releasing carbon compounds back into the atmosphere that have been deported to the depths of the earth for millions of years. There has to be a better energy supply. There are too many things wrong with production of ethanol and bio Diesel to commit to that technology. Lithium ion batteries seem to be a possible source to power an electric vehicle, even an electric aeroplane. The electricity to recharge these batteries can be made hydro electric systems, Wind power farms, photo voltaic panels and let's not forget tidal power. All of these things and other technologies like terrestrial heating and insulation should be examined and put into as wide a use as possible quickly. If there weren't enough wrong with using ethanol as a fuel on the ground there are added dangers to flying with it. Fuel separation, increased possibility for vapour lock and fuel separation are a few of the additional dangers aviators will have to contend with. The sooner we reduce and eventually remove our dependence on fossil fuels and lubricants the better. Unfortunately ethanol isn't the answer. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Michel Verheughe > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:58 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel tanks and TCP > > > > On Oct 13, 2007, at 9:53 PM, Noel Loveys wrote: > > The lobbyists conveniently keep saying there is less tailpipe > > emissions. > > This is new to me, Noel. My understanding on the move toward > ethanol is > entirely different (although I might be wrong). I think the > main reason > is that ethanol is produced from bio-mass and not from fossil fuel. > Carbon dioxide was first on earth. Then vegetal life turned > most of it > into oxygen by photosynthesis and kept the carbon to build its cells. > Finally, vegetal life would burn or putrefy and release again carbon > dioxide that, again would be taken by other living vegetal forms of > life. There was a balance. > But some of that primordial forms of vegetal life, probably due to > geo-physical reasons such as landslides, got buried down in > the earth, > to be only retrieved in the past century in the form of crude > oil. Once > you start burning that oil, thus creating carbon dioxide that should > have happen millions of years ago, you upset the natural balance and > create more CO2 than it has been produced since humans live on earth. > That increase is the reason of the so-called greenhouse effect and > global warming. > > If you grow a tree then burn it, you keep nature in balance. If you > burn fossil fuel, you upset the balance ... I think. > > Cheers, > Michel Verheughe > Norway > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:58:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kitfox 2,rotax 582,VW 2100 swap
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    Steve, What is wrong with the 582 ? > I still want to carry two people all so.so what is a Kitfoxer to > do? Kitfox II has lower gross weight than a later model ? 950 lbs ? So you areliekly about 450 lbs with 582 now ? that leave 500 lbs for fuels and 2 people. Jab will be near the same weight and a 912 will add about 60 lbs. VW I am not sure of weight, but the way to go on a VW is with a Redrive . I think a Jab with a re drive would be an interesting experiment as well. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140032#140032


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    Time: 05:00:30 AM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Kitfox/Railroad Container Question
    The idea of using a container for storage is a good one. Most of them are reasonably well sealed and if needed can be lined with plywood. I checked around for a price on a well used model and the cost was prohibitive. As for secure, my grand father used to say that a lock is only to tell an honest man there's nobody home. Any one wanting to get into a container can get in fast with a set of bolt cutters or at most a portable oxy fuel torch. The up side is you would have a great natural wall for a mural and the top could be converted to a nice sun deck ;-) Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rexinator > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:19 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox/Railroad Container Question > > > > I had looked at an ocean shipping container (which I think may be the > same thing) and, if I remember correctly, determined that the > measurements are the exterior size. That means the interior measured > less than 7' 10" which is the width of my Model 2 folded and > it would be > just about impossible to slip the airplane into one with the > wings on. > Have you measured the doorway and interior of this container? Having > stored my M2 in an old single car garage with one wing > removed because > the doorway way only 7" 10" it was still a careful exercise > to move it > in and out as the tail is almost that wide. > I agree they are very good quality and secure ( unless a thief has > access to a semi tractor and container transport rig). > > -- > Rex Hefferan > SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs > > > Pete Christensen wrote: > > > <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net> > > > > Does anyone know if a 40'X8'X8' railroad container could be > used as a > > hanger for a folded wing Kitfox? Cheap storage if it would. > > > > Pete > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:32:23 AM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Fossil Fuels
    On a related topic those of you who like to imbibe a wee dram of JD in the evening be prepared to pay more for it. The cost of the raw material is rocketing up... when resources are available. Maybe more will have to develop a taste for a good single malt Scotch or tea. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Christoph Graf > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:41 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fossil Fuels > > > > > Hi > > As an engineer I am shure (and all studies show this, use > linke below) that bio-fuel does NOT solve the CO2 problem, > and does NOT solve the resource problem. > Bio-fuel must be produced. > If it is produced with corn (or sugar) the CO2 balance is > worse than diesel per Kwh, the overall energy efficiency > range is -10% (!) up to +20%. A bad deal, which cannot be a > solution! Politicians only believe this. > > http://www.empa.ch/plugin/template/empa/3/60112/---/l=1 > > Christoph > Switzerland > KF IV/1050 > -- > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > > > > >


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    Time: 07:05:48 AM PST US
    From: paul wilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
    Subject: Kitfox/Railroad Container Question
    FYI, The company I bought my container from welds a metal box at the locking place. The result is bolt cutters wont reach the lock. To open the lock one has to get the feel for one of those round locks. The bad guy has to have a cutting torch to get the door open. Its probably easier to use a metal saw and just cut the side open. Conclusion, very secure. I noticed that one has to pick the correct container because some have a smaller door openings than others. My measurements (92") was the door openings. Paul ================= At 05:54 AM 10/15/2007, you wrote: > >The idea of using a container for storage is a good one. Most of them are >reasonably well sealed and if needed can be lined with plywood. I checked >around for a price on a well used model and the cost was prohibitive. > >As for secure, my grand father used to say that a lock is only to tell an >honest man there's nobody home. Any one wanting to get into a container can >get in fast with a set of bolt cutters or at most a portable oxy fuel torch. > >The up side is you would have a great natural wall for a mural and the top >could be converted to a nice sun deck ;-) > >Noel > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rexinator > > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:19 AM > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox/Railroad Container Question > > > > > > > > I had looked at an ocean shipping container (which I think may be the > > same thing) and, if I remember correctly, determined that the > > measurements are the exterior size. That means the interior measured > > less than 7' 10" which is the width of my Model 2 folded and > > it would be > > just about impossible to slip the airplane into one with the > > wings on. > > Have you measured the doorway and interior of this container? Having > > stored my M2 in an old single car garage with one wing > > removed because > > the doorway way only 7" 10" it was still a careful exercise > > to move it > > in and out as the tail is almost that wide. > > I agree they are very good quality and secure ( unless a thief has > > access to a semi tractor and container transport rig). > > > > -- > > Rex Hefferan > > SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs > > > > > > Pete Christensen wrote: > > > > > <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net> > > > > > > Does anyone know if a 40'X8'X8' railroad container could be > > used as a > > > hanger for a folded wing Kitfox? Cheap storage if it would. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:16:36 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Help-Adding Aerocet 1100 floats to Kitfox IV-1200
    From: "Larry" <lpfrank18@aol.com>
    thanks for the reply....still need more info....where could I download an install pdf file .....??? more pixs of the cockpit installation please....have the bullwheel.... Larry -------- No flight is too short!!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140061#140061


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    Time: 07:19:46 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: kee west voltage regulator?
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    Malcolm, I use the Key west regulator. No problems at all. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140063#140063


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    Time: 07:24:45 AM PST US
    From: <l.morris@tx.rr.com>
    Subject: Spar Sloshing
    Thanks to all who imputed. My inserts are already installed, so sliding a aerasol can up in down is out. Have cosidered Aldine but have read several reports and don't know on how long I should let it set and the ratio to delute. And yes I have heard about using tennis balls on the ends. Use them now to keep out wasps. Leon Morris/Classic 4 Sptr/60%/ Flower Mound,TX ---- john oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote: > > Leon, > I was a nut for corrosion protection on my build, but, I did fall down when > it came to the spars. I had no problem tapping off the area that was going > to have ribs or false ribs on the outside and painting, but when it came to > the inside I could never figure out how to protect them more than the Aldine > could without building up too much primer in it. I was worried about not > getting the inserts in properly after and if I waited for the inserts to be > in it would leave buildup around the inserts and rivets. 9 years later and > still looking great inside. > Just food for thought. > > John Oakley > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > l.morris@tx.rr.com > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:19 PM > To: Kitfox > Subject: Kitfox-List: Spar Sloshing > > > Getting ready to slosh my spar tubes on my Classic 4 Sptr with epoxy primer > and I'm trying to find out how much I need to mix up for one wing or one > spar from someone who has done this. Don't want to mix too much or too > little. Leon Morris/Classic 4 Sptr/60%/Thinking Jabiru/ Flower Mound,TX > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:01:10 AM PST US
    From: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
    Subject: Re: Help-Adding Aerocet 1100 floats to Kitfox IV-1200
    will send you some pics I have Gary Walsh KF IV Anphib 912S C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive


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    Time: 09:30:38 AM PST US
    From: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel tanks and TCP
    I have read that the new ethanol plants are given a waiver as they do not meet the maximum amount allowed by law. DwightPurdy Model ll Marion IN At 10:25 PM 10/13/2007 -0230, you wrote: > > >The lobbyists for ethanol are not willing to mention the amount of CO2 given >off when the corn is fermented. > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- >10/15/2007 6:48 AM --


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    Time: 12:33:18 PM PST US
    From: "Brian Leach" <leach@infogen.net.nz>
    Subject: Re: Spar Sloshing
    Leon You dont put the can up the spar. The can stays outside and the paint goes up the tube. Although it is 12 feet from the can to the spray nozzle the tube holds very little paint and the spray nozzle on the end of the tube works just as well as if it were still on the can. Slide the tube up both sides of the inserts, spraying as you pull it back out. Works perfectly. Brian > > Thanks to all who imputed. My inserts are already installed, so sliding a aerasol can up in down is out. Have cosidered Aldine but have read several reports and don't know on how long I should let it set and the ratio to delute. And yes I have heard about using tennis balls on the ends. Use them now to keep out wasps. Leon Morris/Classic 4 Sptr/60%/ Flower Mound,TX >


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    Time: 02:40:29 PM PST US
    From: Gary Olson <n113gb@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Engine for sale
    Fellow Fox flyers, I have a brand new, fully assembled, never run, 2276 Great Plains VW with a 1:6/1 reduction drive that I am looking to sell. I had intended it to power my Kitfox S7. My initial intention was to install the VW because of its low cost, weight, and ease of maintenance. This decision was made when I was forced to let my medical lapse and pursue sport pilot flying. My Fox is about 95% complete and the is engine installed. Due to the fact that I am now able to obtain a valid medical, I am now going to install a larger (and heavier) engine to meet the aircraft's 1550# gross weight capacity. I have listed the particulars of the engine below. The total cost of this engine if purchased from Great Plains is over $6800 (plus $850 for assembly and crating). If interested please e-mail me off list and I will send you pictures of the engine and accessories. Please feel free to contact me with any questions. 920 379-6668. Thanks. Aluminum engine case Valley engineering 1:6/1 Reduction drive Heavy duty cast iron oil pump Compufire DIS-IX distributorless ignition system with the Bosch 009 dist. Total Seal Gapless 2nd Ring Set Unision Slick ignition harness Lycoming bushings Starter Brand new Unison Slick Magneto 4316 Oil filter adapter EMPI 00-9244-0 Curtis drain valve gascolator Diehl Acessory case. Starter in the 12 o'clock position Premium head upgrade Oil temp, pressure sending units Downdraft intake manifold Bolt on aluminum valve covers Engine mount for the S5/S7 Negotiable items include: Aerovee carburetor (s-flange) ACV-CO4 35 mm with Aerovee Filter All stainless hoses currently on engine Gary Olson Kitfox Series 7 2276 VW redrive Oshkosh, WI. Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/


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    Time: 03:18:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Help-Adding Aerocet 1100 floats to Kitfox IV-1200
    From: "Larry" <lpfrank18@AOL.COM>
    Thanks...those pixs really helped....couldn't figure out where those cable brackets went till now...this is a neat setup....everything is inside the struts and floats....WOW do not archive -------- No flight is too short!!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140151#140151


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    Time: 03:23:14 PM PST US
    From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: kee west voltage regulator?
    Me too Mal. I recommend it. Malcolm, I use the Key west regulator. No problems at all. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140063#140063 Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.


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    Time: 04:21:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Help-Adding Aerocet 1100 floats to Kitfox IV-1200
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    Larry here is another pic for you -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140166#140166 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aerocet1_015_199.jpg


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    Time: 06:33:25 PM PST US
    Subject: More starting problems
    From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
    Now that I've solved my cold starting problems with my 912UL, I've discovered another annoying issue. It doesn't want to start warm. That is, if I shut the engine down after a flight, it starts right up if I crank within a couple of minutes. If I let it cool down more then that, then it won't start until I let it cool down all the way (takes a couple of hours). It's not a situation that I find myself very often but it bit me on two recent cross country flights where I loitered too much during a fuel stop. When it happens, I can crank the battery dry and it won't get a single pop from the ignition regardless of throttle or choke position (the only two inputs I have). Any ideas? -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140193#140193


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    Time: 06:48:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kitfox/Railroad Container Question
    From: "JSD" <sctmch@hotmail.com>
    I was thinking about a shipping container awhile back and determined that it wouldn't be wide enough. Here's another thought. You could get a junked 10' wide mobile home very cheap on wheels and cut it down to trailer size or just cut the frame down and build your own walls anyway you want. Leave enough room inside to store odds & ends with the plane. Steel up any windows and make it look like a trailer (not a mobile home) to avoid any complaints from neighbors/county etc. It might not be as secure as a container but if they're determined enough they'll get into anything. Anyway this might beat having to go through the building dept. & all to build another garage. -------- Scott Denniston K-7/ no power yet 65% or so complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140194#140194


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    Time: 08:06:30 PM PST US
    From: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: kee west voltage regulator?
    Yes, I had one to explode on my Kitfox II. The company had a problem sometime back (Wasn't vented). They fix the problem and sent me a replacement. GLENN HORNE Kitfox Model II ----- Original Message ----- From: Malcolmbru@aol.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:09 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: kee west voltage regulator? any body had a bad experiences with the kee west regulator ? malcolm ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's new at ww.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170" target="_blank">AOL.com and --> http://forums.matronics.com ===========


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    Time: 08:48:54 PM PST US
    From: "Rick" <wingsdown@verizon.net>
    Subject: More starting problems
    Sounds like heat soak vapor lock. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:31 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: More starting problems Now that I've solved my cold starting problems with my 912UL, I've discovered another annoying issue. It doesn't want to start warm. That is, if I shut the engine down after a flight, it starts right up if I crank within a couple of minutes. If I let it cool down more then that, then it won't start until I let it cool down all the way (takes a couple of hours). It's not a situation that I find myself very often but it bit me on two recent cross country flights where I loitered too much during a fuel stop. When it happens, I can crank the battery dry and it won't get a single pop from the ignition regardless of throttle or choke position (the only two inputs I have). Any ideas? -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140193#140193


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    Time: 08:49:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Help-Adding Aerocet 1100 floats to Kitfox IV-1200
    From: "dholly" <oue191@yahoo.com>
    A few more... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140213#140213 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cimg5510_109.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/cimg5509_139.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/cimg5507_153.jpg


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    Time: 09:08:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: More starting problems
    From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
    OK. Why does it happen? How do I fix it? > Sounds like heat soak vapor lock. -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140215#140215


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    Time: 09:19:42 PM PST US
    From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
    Subject: Re: More starting problems
    I agree to the heat soak problem. When my fox started doing that I did two things, one I opened the oil access door any time I landed knowing I was going to leave. 2 I installed an electric fuel "primer" pump under my seat. I have had no problems with it since. John Oakley -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:08 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: More starting problems OK. Why does it happen? How do I fix it? > Sounds like heat soak vapor lock. -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140215#140215


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    Time: 10:45:44 PM PST US
    From: <josandt@verizon.net>
    Subject: Kitfox NIRVANA
    I have this crazy dream to hook up with say 10 other kitfoxers who have the same dream and make it a reality. 10 guys who are able to devote say 50K each to purchase the perfect piece of America for an airpark. Rural, but not dead. Beautiful, uncrowded, with a river closeby (for floats/amphibs). No snobs, silly CCR's, etc. Camp if you like. Live in a box. No one's business. Only about the planes and the flying. Montana or northern Idaho. Be gentle now...after all, it's my dream... Is there anyone else interested in pooling resources? 10 guys could make it work. John Sandt, Ridgecrest, CA Series 7 / Corvair / BRS / Tri-gear / 70% done - 97% left




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