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1. 02:10 AM - Re: Kitfox NIRVANA (Steve Shinabery)
2. 03:36 AM - Re: Re: Help-Adding Aerocet 1100 floats to Kitfox IV-1200 (kitfoxjunky)
3. 04:19 AM - Propeller for Kitfox III, 582 C 3:1 (Ken Harrison)
4. 05:22 AM - Re: More starting problems (wingnut)
5. 06:24 AM - Re: Propeller for Kitfox III, 582 C 3:1 (dave)
6. 06:26 AM - Re: Kitfox NIRVANA (wingnut)
7. 06:53 AM - Re: Re: Propeller for Kitfox III, 582 C 3:1 (Ken Harrison)
8. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox NIRVANA ()
9. 07:58 AM - Ballast for flight testing (Tom Jones)
10. 08:04 AM - Re: Kitfox NIRVANA (kent westberg)
11. 08:15 AM - Re: Ballast for flight testing (john oakley)
12. 08:16 AM - Re: Ballast for flight testing (RRTRACK@aol.com)
13. 09:21 AM - Re: Ballast for flight testing (Sbennett3@aol.com)
14. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: More starting problems (Lynn Matteson)
15. 09:54 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tanks and TCP (Noel Loveys)
16. 10:28 AM - Re: Kitfox NIRVANA (kcflys)
17. 10:38 AM - Re: Ballast for flight testing (Guy Buchanan)
18. 12:05 PM - Re: Ballast for flight testing (Marco Menezes)
19. 12:05 PM - Re: Spar Sloshing (Joel)
20. 12:07 PM - Re: Kitfox NIRVANA (Guy Buchanan)
21. 02:11 PM - Re: More starting problems (wingnut)
22. 02:18 PM - Re: Spar Sloshing ()
23. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox NIRVANA (Michael Logan)
24. 02:19 PM - Re: Ballast for flight testing (Michael Logan)
25. 02:46 PM - Re: Kitfox NIRVANA (Steve Shinabery)
26. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: More starting problems (paul wilson)
27. 02:56 PM - Re: Kitfox NIRVANA (wingnut)
28. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox NIRVANA (Steve Shinabery)
29. 04:52 PM - Re: Spar Sloshing (Lowell Fitt)
30. 05:37 PM - Re: Kitfox NIRVANA (Lowell Fitt)
31. 05:49 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox NIRVANA ()
32. 06:14 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox NIRVANA ()
33. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: Spar Sloshing ()
34. 06:32 PM - Re: Propeller for Kitfox III, 582 C 3:1 (dave)
35. 06:37 PM - Re: Spar Sloshing ()
36. 06:45 PM - Re: kee west voltage regulator? (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
37. 08:57 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox NIRVANA (Lowell Fitt)
38. 10:39 PM - kitfox Nirvana (Don & Dianne Usher)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox NIRVANA |
Oh yes the American Dream.what a good idea///would B a piece of heaven.I
can too see it now. Build it And They Will Come...best of Luck on your
Dream John.. wish I could be in your Dream all so. Steve
Shinabery.KF2,N554KF
josandt@verizon.net wrote:
>
> I have this crazy dream to hook up with say 10 other kitfoxers who have the same
dream and make it a reality. 10 guys who are able to devote say 50K each to
purchase the perfect piece of America for an airpark. Rural, but not dead. Beautiful,
uncrowded, with a river closeby (for floats/amphibs). No snobs, silly
CCR's, etc. Camp if you like. Live in a box. No one's business. Only about the
planes and the flying. Montana or northern Idaho. Be gentle now...after all,
it's my dream... Is there anyone else interested in pooling resources? 10 guys
could make it work. John Sandt, Ridgecrest, CA
> Series 7 / Corvair / BRS / Tri-gear / 70% done - 97% left
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Help-Adding Aerocet 1100 floats to Kitfox IV-1200 |
I have the complete manual for straight and anphib Aerocets. I also have
the parts list and diagrams. Someone borrowed my scanner...but when it
comes back I will PDF it and email it to you. If you need it asap...send
me your address and I will pop it into the mail.
Watching my friend struggle with his straight floats on a J3. No problem
with the floats...just the hassles of dealing with straight vs anphibs. I
think it pisses him off every time I taxi by his hanger on wheels with
water dripping off the back of the floats. His plane is tied up at his
cottage...or at a lake several miles from his AME shop at the airport. The
Aerocets anphibs have taken a fair bit of criticism...but if you take it
easy on them (stay off rough grass strips...boat ramps...etc) and
maintain them (check for worn bolt holes..slop in the system...DO THE OVER
CENTER ADJUSTMENT once a year) then they work well.
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | Propeller for Kitfox III, 582 C 3:1 |
Hello All,
I'm happy to report that I just passed my DAR inspection and am approved to
start Phase I flight testing. My Kitfox is a Model III that was purchase
back in 1992 and slowly assembled by several different owners in the US and
Canada. I finally bought it last year and finished it. That's 15 years
build time and 5 builders in 2 countries, it might be some kind of record.
Anyway, I need to buy a propeller. I was wondering if anyone has an IVO
medium 2 blade they would be willing to sell, or a Warp Drive 68" 3-blade.
I have a 582 with C drive and 3:1 ratio. Tried to order an IVO 2 blade
ultralight but IVO wouldn't sell it to me because of the vibration/cracking
issue. I have been leaning toward the IVO because it has been a really good
prop for me in the past and I think it might be a bit more efficient than
the others, but I'm willing to try any good option.
I have a nice 70" Warp Drive 3-blade tapered-tip aluminum-hub RH tractor
prop if anyone is interested in buying or trading. I think it would work
well on a 912 or other RH tuning engine.
I've really appreciated all the info over the last few months of building.
And I'm even getting an education on biofuels and global warming to boot!
Thanks,
Ken Harrison
kenharrison@charlottedesignbuild.com
980-328-5415
Lancaster, SC
Kitfox 3 / 582 / C drive / No prop
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| Subject: | Re: More starting problems |
Is this an indication that my motor is getting too hot? It was only one landing
after a long descent so I wouldn't have thought that it was too hot.
Can you tell me more about your fuel primer pump? I've noticed you mentioning your
fuel primer before but I figured you where talking about a simple plunger
style manual pump. Does the primer pump run all the time?
> I agree to the heat soak problem. When my fox started doing that I did two things,
one I opened the oil access door any time I landed knowing I was going to
leave. 2 I installed an electric fuel "primer" pump under my seat. I have had
no problems with it since.
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Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller for Kitfox III, 582 C 3:1 |
Ken,
I have several props that I use of have used on my Kitfox with 3 to 1 box and
a Rotax 582.
68" GSC 3 blade wood ground adjustable.
68" Square tip WARP with nickel leading Edge.
72 " IVO Medium 2 Blade.
I have comparable performance with all 3 all within a few % of each other. They
each have their own attributes. ie WARP is my main seaplane prop.
I have read all kinds of reports of how each prop will give these massive gains
but on my Kitfox I have not found that the case. I have tweaked each one in different
weather and temps and with Wheels, floats and Skis. I can say that I
have extensively experimented with all the above and a few more and I will fly
with anyone of those anytime.
I do sell props and feel free to drop me a line on what you want and dave@cfisher.com
and I will get you a price. I do have a IVO 72 " medium that have been
tested only a hour or two that I can likely get you a decent price on.
Feeel free to go here http://www.cfisher.com/ and I think the 8th link down on left is a link to videos on youtube I have put up as well as other info on Kitfoxes and Rotax.
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox NIRVANA |
Funny you should mention it. For the last ten years or so, my wife has been living
her dream of living on a horse farm. The deal was that when she got tired
of taking care of other peoples horses we'd move to an airpark. I think that
she doesn't have much more than a couple of years left in her so I've begun scouting
out what's available. I don't know about living that far north though.
I grew up in Miami. We lived in Northern VA for a few years and I think thats
about as much winter as I care for. How about Colorodo?
To be honest though, I can't imagine a Kitfox only airpark. There just aren't enough
of us. I'd say just keep the runway grass and under 3000 feet long and maybe
you'll attract like minded people :-).
> I have this crazy dream to hook up with say 10 other kitfoxers who have the same
dream and make it a reality. 10 guys who are able to devote say 50K each to
purchase the perfect piece of America for an airpark.
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Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller for Kitfox III, 582 C 3:1 |
Thanks for all the info, Dave. Yes I have seen all your videos several
times. I'd love to get that kind of takeoff performance. My preference is
low, slow, grass strips. So I'm not too concerned about cruise performance.
I have the really large Mippi treadless tires and would like to get the best
takeoff performance out of the prop. I have always liked IVO on my other
planes, so was leaning that way. Like I said in my post, I tried to buy a
72" ultralight prop but they wouldn't sell it to me. Which I
appreciate...last thing I want is a cracked prop. What are you asking for
the IVO medium?
Also, what would it cost me to buy 3 GSC 68" blades? I have a hub and
spinner, but the blades were cracked in a forced landing (not me), I bought
it with some other Kitfox parts when I was building.
Thanks again,
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:24 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Propeller for Kitfox III, 582 C 3:1
Ken,
I have several props that I use of have used on my Kitfox with 3 to 1 box
and a Rotax 582.
68" GSC 3 blade wood ground adjustable.
68" Square tip WARP with nickel leading Edge.
72 " IVO Medium 2 Blade.
I have comparable performance with all 3 all within a few % of each other.
They each have their own attributes. ie WARP is my main seaplane prop.
I have read all kinds of reports of how each prop will give these massive
gains but on my Kitfox I have not found that the case. I have tweaked each
one in different weather and temps and with Wheels, floats and Skis. I can
say that I have extensively experimented with all the above and a few more
and I will fly with anyone of those anytime.
I do sell props and feel free to drop me a line on what you want and
dave@cfisher.com and I will get you a price. I do have a IVO 72 " medium
that have been tested only a hour or two that I can likely get you a decent
price on.
Feeel free to go here http://www.cfisher.com/ and I think the 8th link
down on left is a link to videos on youtube I have put up as well as other
info on Kitfoxes and Rotax.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox NIRVANA |
<<<I think that she doesn't have much more than a couple of years left in her...
How about Colorodo?
I'd say just keep the runway grass and under 3000 feet long>>>>
Sorry to hear the ol' gal's only got a couple years left in her. Some guys trade
'em in for newer models. The part about Colorado and a grass strip sounds great.
john
kitfox 7 / ridgecrest, ca / Corvair tri
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| Subject: | Ballast for flight testing |
I'm looking for ideas on what to use for ballast and how to secure it in the airplane.
I am flight testing my kitfox Classic 4. the engine is a rotax 503.
With full fuel and myself, weight is 840 pounds. I want to start increasing
the weight a little at a time.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox NIRVANA |
hi sounds great ,,, sounds like a great dream!!! sgt westberg in minnesota
I have this crazy dream to hook up with say 10 other kitfoxers who have the same
dream and make it a reality. 10 guys who are able to devote say 50K each to
purchase the perfect piece of America for an airpark. Rural, but not dead. Beautiful,
uncrowded, with a river closeby (for floats/amphibs). No snobs, silly
CCR's, etc. Camp if you like. Live in a box. No one's business. Only about the
planes and the flying. Montana or northern Idaho. Be gentle now...after all,
it's my dream... Is there anyone else interested in pooling resources? 10 guys
could make it work. John Sandt, Ridgecrest, CA
Series 7 / Corvair / BRS / Tri-gear / 70% done - 97% left
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| Subject: | Ballast for flight testing |
Tom,
I used bags of lead shot I bought from the local reloading store. You can
also find it at a diver supply store.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:58 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ballast for flight testing
I'm looking for ideas on what to use for ballast and how to secure it in the
airplane. I am flight testing my kitfox Classic 4. the engine is a rotax
503. With full fuel and myself, weight is 840 pounds. I want to start
increasing the weight a little at a time.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Ballast for flight testing |
I used 60# water softener bags in the passenger seat for my testing. Used
the seat belt to hold them from moving. First 120#, then 180#, and then 240#. It
cuts down on performance a lot, but stalls were only about 5 MPH more at
gross weight.
Good luck on your flight tests,
Mark
Kitfox 5 Vixen
912UL IVO
Hartford, Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Re: Ballast for flight testing |
Try 60 or 80 lbs bags of sack krete from home depot. Wrap them in heavy
plastic, or go ahead and soak them down to harden the concrete Steve Bennett
Kitfox iv 1200 912 uls
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| Subject: | Re: More starting problems |
Luis-
What I normally do on my Jabiru engine, (with only one carb to worry
about) is to shut off the main fuel valve when I'm about 30 seconds
away from shutting the engine down, like for parking after a landing
and taxi, etc., then when the engine is shut down, the fuel level in
the bowl is reduced, and a subsequent hot start is immediate.
Somebody gave me this tip, and it works perfectly. Just something you
might try.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/420+ hrs
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On Oct 16, 2007, at 8:21 AM, wingnut wrote:
>
> Is this an indication that my motor is getting too hot? It was only
> one landing after a long descent so I wouldn't have thought that it
> was too hot.
>
> Can you tell me more about your fuel primer pump? I've noticed you
> mentioning your fuel primer before but I figured you where talking
> about a simple plunger style manual pump. Does the primer pump run
> all the time?
>
>
>> I agree to the heat soak problem. When my fox started doing that I
>> did two things, one I opened the oil access door any time I landed
>> knowing I was going to leave. 2 I installed an electric fuel
>> "primer" pump under my seat. I have had no problems with it since.
>
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tanks and TCP |
And the people who issue those waivers are the same ones who are trying to
lead the masses into believing ethanol is a green fuel. The insulting part
is they expect you to eat up their bull feathers.
Noel
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> dwight purdy
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:54 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel tanks and TCP
>
>
>
>
> I have read that the new ethanol plants are given a waiver as
> they do not
> meet the maximum amount allowed by law.
>
> DwightPurdy
> Model ll
> Marion IN
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox NIRVANA |
John,
If you don't mind that I am currently a C150 owner but Kitfox wannabe, I would
be interested in being included in your dream... I also do a bit of Real Estate
investing and may be able to help with the search and working out the numbers
as time goes on. Email me off list if it interests you.
kcflys@pacbell.net
Keith C.
C-150
KMHR Mather CA
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Keith C.
kitfox wannabe
C-150
Rancho Cordova CA
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| Subject: | Re: Ballast for flight testing |
At 07:57 AM 10/16/2007, you wrote:
>I'm looking for ideas on what to use for ballast and how to secure
>it in the airplane.
I used sand bags which I bagged, tied together, then tied into my
seat belt system. I wouldn't do aerobatics with it, but it worked
fine for flight test, which was invariably in smooth air.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Ballast for flight testing |
Hi Tom. I used bags of playground sand, 40# each, purchased from garden dept at
Wal-Mart. Duct-Taped together and seat-belted into passenger seat. Amazing how
much faster my model 2 sinks at MTOW (950#) than with just me flying.
Later, I used the sand to build a brick patio.
Good luck with your flight testing.
Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net> wrote:
I'm looking for ideas on what to use for ballast and how to secure it in the airplane.
I am flight testing my kitfox Classic 4. the engine is a rotax 503. With
full fuel and myself, weight is 840 pounds. I want to start increasing the
weight a little at a time.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Spar Sloshing |
My wife and I sloshed the spar interiors after the ribs had been installed by pouring
8 oz. of thinned epoxy chromate primer into each spar and capping the ends
with old tennis balls pressed in. Total paint used was less then a pint. The
attached photo shows the interior of one of the spars which was broken in an
accident. Note the primer covering the spar. Prior to sloshing we cleaned with
metal prep and alodined.
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Joel Mapes Kitfox 5 912 ULS Aerocomp amphibs
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox NIRVANA |
At 10:42 PM 10/15/2007, you wrote:
>Be gentle now...after all, it's my dream... Is there anyone else
>interested in pooling resources?
I'm interested. I'm trying to do the same thing in San Diego.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: More starting problems |
Thanks for the tip Lynn. That sounds like an easy thing to try.
I was just looking through the Rotax operators manual and I noticed something interesting.
The diagram for the fuel system shows the fuel lines going from the
pump to a four way splitter. Two lines for the carbs one for the fuel pressure
gage (which I don't have) and a fourth line returning to the tank. According
to the caption, the purpose for this fourth line is to prevent 'vapour lock'.
I'm not entirely sure that my fuel system has such a thing. Would that be unusual?
Does everyone else have this installed?
I don't really understand how such a system would work. If the output of the fuel
pump is split between the fuel tank and the carbs then wouldn't this dump all
the fuel pressure out the vent lines in the tank?
[quote]What I normally do on my Jabiru engine, (with only one carb to worry about)
is to shut off the main fuel valve when I'm about 30 seconds
away from shutting the engine down, like for parking after a landing
and taxi, etc., then when the engine is shut down, the fuel level in
the bowl is reduced, and a subsequent hot start is immediate.
Somebody gave me this tip, and it works perfectly. Just something you
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Spar Sloshing |
Brian; I read and re-read what you did,just acouple questions. You can actually
get enough pressure out of the can to go that 12' up the tube and still get a
good spray out of the nozzle? What is etch primer? Not familier. Leon Morris/Classic
4/60%/Flower Mound,TX
---- Brian Leach <leach@infogen.net.nz> wrote:
>
> Leon
> I got some aerosol cans of etch primer and 12 feet of one eighth aluminium
> tube. Bend a right angle in the tube close to the end and stick the spray
> nozzle from a can in the end of the tube so it will squirt along in the
> middle of the spar. Then attach the can to the other end of the tube and
> slide it up the spar. No fuss, no mess, and it made a great job of painting
> the inside, and from memory I think two cans did all four spars.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox NIRVANA |
Isn't there an airpark down where you live Luis? Living in Northern VA is not
so bad, as long as you are in an airpark like I am. I hate to puff up my chest
and swagger around too much but I am living my dream. I walk 30 feet to my
hangar and commute 20 miles to work. We are just outside the ADIZ for Washington
D.C. and we in the airpark are all one big happy family. This is the only
way to live. My wife flies too, she built a Pulsar.
Most people don't even know we are here but you can see the runway from Route 1,
and I-95 is less than a mile away.
Mike Logan
Living the dream in Dogwood Airpark (VA42)
Series 5 RAM 140
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox NIRVANA
Funny you should mention it. For the last ten years or so, my wife has been living
her dream of living on a horse farm. The deal was that when she got tired
of taking care of other peoples horses we'd move to an airpark. I think that
she doesn't have much more than a couple of years left in her so I've begun scouting
out what's available. I don't know about living that far north though.
I grew up in Miami. We lived in Northern VA for a few years and I think thats
about as much winter as I care for. How about Colorodo?
To be honest though, I can't imagine a Kitfox only airpark. There just aren't enough
of us. I'd say just keep the runway grass and under 3000 feet long and maybe
you'll attract like minded people :-).
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Ballast for flight testing |
I used an old military duffel bag to secure the load in the seat. Used lead
shot bags for the load.
Mike Logan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:58 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ballast for flight testing
I'm looking for ideas on what to use for ballast and how to secure it in the
airplane. I am flight testing my kitfox Classic 4. the engine is a rotax
503. With full fuel and myself, weight is 840 pounds. I want to start
increasing the weight a little at a time.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox NIRVANA |
I would love to be in that dream.but too far for me to go back to work
every day in OHIO.I live out in the middle of a corn field here in
Ohio.I am the only kitfox around for miles.or home built for that
matter.Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2
Guy Buchanan wrote:
>
> At 10:42 PM 10/15/2007, you wrote:
>> Be gentle now...after all, it's my dream... Is there anyone else
>> interested in pooling resources?
>
> I'm interested. I'm trying to do the same thing in San Diego.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: More starting problems |
The 4th connection is for the return line to the tank and it has a
small orifice in a fitting so the flow is small. It does prevent
vapor lock. Its fairly common to use the return but many guys skip it.
Paul
================
At 03:10 PM 10/16/2007, you wrote:
>
>Thanks for the tip Lynn. That sounds like an easy thing to try.
>
>I was just looking through the Rotax operators manual and I noticed
>something interesting. The diagram for the fuel system shows the
>fuel lines going from the pump to a four way splitter. Two lines for
>the carbs one for the fuel pressure gage (which I don't have) and a
>fourth line returning to the tank. According to the caption, the
>purpose for this fourth line is to prevent 'vapour lock'. I'm not
>entirely sure that my fuel system has such a thing. Would that be
>unusual? Does everyone else have this installed?
>
>I don't really understand how such a system would work. If the
>output of the fuel pump is split between the fuel tank and the carbs
>then wouldn't this dump all the fuel pressure out the vent lines in the tank?
>
>
>[quote]What I normally do on my Jabiru engine, (with only one carb
>to worry about) is to shut off the main fuel valve when I'm about 30 seconds
>away from shutting the engine down, like for parking after a landing
>and taxi, etc., then when the engine is shut down, the fuel level in
>the bowl is reduced, and a subsequent hot start is immediate.
>Somebody gave me this tip, and it works perfectly. Just something you
>
>--------
>Luis Rodriguez
>Model IV 1200
>Rotax 912UL
>Flying Weekly
>Laurens, SC (34A)
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140319#140319
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox NIRVANA |
sure, there are plenty of airparks around. The idea of starting one from scratch
has its appeal though. Most of the airparks around here are priced out of my
tax bracket.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox NIRVANA |
me too that is why I live and fly out of a corn field. Ident CQA Lake
Field Airport Celina OH. no matter how hard I wish and dream.but there
is all ways a dream.to build my own air strip.my own piece of heaven.but
un till some thing else comes along. I will B at the airport.. Steve
Shinabery KF2 N554KF
wingnut wrote:
>
> sure, there are plenty of airparks around. The idea of starting one from scratch
has its appeal though. Most of the airparks around here are priced out of
my tax bracket.
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140327#140327
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Spar Sloshing |
Leon, I got some lambs wool at a leather shop and tied it in the middle of
a length of cord. I saturated the lambs wool with primer and dragged it
through and through the spar several times adding a bit of primer each time.
My inserts were installed as well and felt that the primer would seal the
edges as well as the rivet ends. I re-threaded the cord so-as to get both
sides of the spar.
Lowell
Back to thinking, once again.
----- Original Message -----
From: <l.morris@tx.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 7:19 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Spar Sloshing
>
> Thanks to all who imputed. My inserts are already installed, so sliding a
> aerasol can up in down is out. Have cosidered Aldine but have read several
> reports and don't know on how long I should let it set and the ratio to
> delute. And yes I have heard about using tennis balls on the ends. Use
> them now to keep out wasps. Leon Morris/Classic 4 Sptr/60%/ Flower
> Mound,TX
> ---- john oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote:
>>
>> Leon,
>> I was a nut for corrosion protection on my build, but, I did fall down
>> when
>> it came to the spars. I had no problem tapping off the area that was
>> going
>> to have ribs or false ribs on the outside and painting, but when it came
>> to
>> the inside I could never figure out how to protect them more than the
>> Aldine
>> could without building up too much primer in it. I was worried about not
>> getting the inserts in properly after and if I waited for the inserts to
>> be
>> in it would leave buildup around the inserts and rivets. 9 years later
>> and
>> still looking great inside.
>> Just food for thought.
>>
>> John Oakley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> l.morris@tx.rr.com
>> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:19 PM
>> To: Kitfox
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Spar Sloshing
>>
>>
>> Getting ready to slosh my spar tubes on my Classic 4 Sptr with epoxy
>> primer
>> and I'm trying to find out how much I need to mix up for one wing or one
>> spar from someone who has done this. Don't want to mix too much or too
>> little. Leon Morris/Classic 4 Sptr/60%/Thinking Jabiru/ Flower Mound,TX
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox NIRVANA |
John,
I like the idea, but do your due diligence. I live in an airpalrk that has
been in existance almost 40 years and there are folks here that literally
hate each other. The street/taxiways are falling apart, but I love it
anyway for all the reasons you mention.
About CC&Rs, be careful there. Leo Rice, once on the list and the builder
of a beautiful Model V once developed an airpark and ended up abandoning
it - walking away, because a woman bought a piece of the property, put in
horses, then claimed the airplane sounds were injuring them. She had more
financial resources than Leo did, so he got out rather than spending what he
had left on legal fees. He felt that without a doubt he would have won any
legal battle, but at the cost of almost everything he had saved for his
retirement.
Leo was a great guy that all who met him liked a lot. The colon cancer that
delayed his build and caused all sorts of medical issues finally got him
after 3 or 4 years of flying.
Think of all the folks that buy under a traffic pattern, then start making
trouble because of the noise and start working to close the airport. We
definitely have that here and I first visited this airport in the early 70s
and was driven around the place by someone and all there was was a runway,
FBO, aircraft maintainance facility - our reason for coming - annuals etc.,
a couple of houses, and a bunch of roads a developer put in trying to make a
buck. The place really grew up in that time and we have shopping within a
mile, but the reason for the area to become a place - the airport - is
despised by a lot of people.
Be careful,
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <josandt@verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:42 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox NIRVANA
>
> I have this crazy dream to hook up with say 10 other kitfoxers who have
> the same dream and make it a reality. 10 guys who are able to devote say
> 50K each to purchase the perfect piece of America for an airpark. Rural,
> but not dead. Beautiful, uncrowded, with a river closeby (for
> floats/amphibs). No snobs, silly CCR's, etc. Camp if you like. Live in a
> box. No one's business. Only about the planes and the flying. Montana or
> northern Idaho. Be gentle now...after all, it's my dream... Is there
> anyone else interested in pooling resources? 10 guys could make it work.
> John Sandt, Ridgecrest, CA
> Series 7 / Corvair / BRS / Tri-gear / 70% done - 97% left
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox NIRVANA |
Luis, That's it exactly! An airpark for the rest of us. Pass on the silly mansion-house
and all the garbage that goes with it...CCR's, neighbors in each other's
business, etc. An airpark purely for the enthusiast - house optional. Live
in your hangar. Who cares. John
Kitfox 7 / Tri-gear / Corvair / 70% done - 99% to go
<<<<sure, there are plenty of airparks around. The idea of starting one from scratch
has its appeal though. Most of the airparks around here are priced out of
my tax bracket. Luis Rodriguez >>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox NIRVANA |
Lowell, I dearly missed your get-together and am glad as can be that you and the
mrs are OK. Your words are always well thought out and well worth hearing. I
relent - ONE CCR...all properties restricted to aircraft ownership and operations.
A LOW MAINTENANCE grass strip. Thank you! It's the balance of those CCR's
that cause much of the grief. The neighbors don't like that you conserve water
and have a browner yard, they don't like your color scheme, they come over
to measure the length of your grass, etc. Absolutely minimal restrictions on freedom
- isn't that what the flying is about, after all? John
John Sandt, Ridgecrest, CA
Kitfox 7 and Corvair
Tri-gear and BRS
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<John,
I like the idea, but do your due diligence. I live in an airpalrk that has
been in existance almost 40 years and there are folks here that literally
hate each other. The street/taxiways are falling apart, but I love it
anyway for all the reasons you mention.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Spar Sloshing |
Thanks--the picture looks good. Leon Morris/Classic 4/60%/Flower Mound,TX
---- Joel <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> My wife and I sloshed the spar interiors after the ribs had been installed by
pouring 8 oz. of thinned epoxy chromate primer into each spar and capping the
ends with old tennis balls pressed in. Total paint used was less then a pint.
The attached photo shows the interior of one of the spars which was broken in
an accident. Note the primer covering the spar. Prior to sloshing we cleaned
with metal prep and alodined.
>
> --------
> Joel Mapes Kitfox 5 912 ULS Aerocomp amphibs
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140308#140308
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag0062_143.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller for Kitfox III, 582 C 3:1 |
Ken,
I am glad you enjoyed the videos. Hope to get some more done soon.
GSC prop blades are 155 each solid wood.
and with Urethane leading edge 185 each , I would recomend you get this one.
The IVO medium is about 900$ but if interested email me for a price as this one
has a few hours on it. I have one on Kitfox now and it works well. dave
@ cfisher.com
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Spar Sloshing |
Good idea. Easier and less messy than the tennis ball way,I think. Leon Morris/Classic
4/60 %/ Flower Mound,TX
---- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Leon, I got some lambs wool at a leather shop and tied it in the middle of
> a length of cord. I saturated the lambs wool with primer and dragged it
> through and through the spar several times adding a bit of primer each time.
> My inserts were installed as well and felt that the primer would seal the
> edges as well as the rivet ends. I re-threaded the cord so-as to get both
> sides of the spar.
>
> Lowell
>
> Back to thinking, once again.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <l.morris@tx.rr.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 7:19 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Spar Sloshing
>
>
> >
> > Thanks to all who imputed. My inserts are already installed, so sliding a
> > aerasol can up in down is out. Have cosidered Aldine but have read several
> > reports and don't know on how long I should let it set and the ratio to
> > delute. And yes I have heard about using tennis balls on the ends. Use
> > them now to keep out wasps. Leon Morris/Classic 4 Sptr/60%/ Flower
> > Mound,TX
> > ---- john oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Leon,
> >> I was a nut for corrosion protection on my build, but, I did fall down
> >> when
> >> it came to the spars. I had no problem tapping off the area that was
> >> going
> >> to have ribs or false ribs on the outside and painting, but when it came
> >> to
> >> the inside I could never figure out how to protect them more than the
> >> Aldine
> >> could without building up too much primer in it. I was worried about not
> >> getting the inserts in properly after and if I waited for the inserts to
> >> be
> >> in it would leave buildup around the inserts and rivets. 9 years later
> >> and
> >> still looking great inside.
> >> Just food for thought.
> >>
> >> John Oakley
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >> l.morris@tx.rr.com
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:19 PM
> >> To: Kitfox
> >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Spar Sloshing
> >>
> >>
> >> Getting ready to slosh my spar tubes on my Classic 4 Sptr with epoxy
> >> primer
> >> and I'm trying to find out how much I need to mix up for one wing or one
> >> spar from someone who has done this. Don't want to mix too much or too
> >> little. Leon Morris/Classic 4 Sptr/60%/Thinking Jabiru/ Flower Mound,TX
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: kee west voltage regulator? |
my problem was nothing like that maybe it wasn't even because of the voltage
regulator . they must be pretty good the only complaint I herd was yours and
it was taken care of. the company is owned by titan aircraft, I did not know
that till I called them,they where very helpful. mal
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox NIRVANA |
Thanks, John,
I am already lobying for one more fly-in at least a 10th I say. I agree
with the CC&R things you mention. Ours are so cumbersom that most are no
longer inforced except those that impact aircraft movement - no parking on
the streets, but even taht one is ignored from time to time. One that was
instituted that was uninforcable from the beginning: Cars and airplanes use
the same street/taxiways. It is written in the CC&R that autos would use
the center of the street while aircraft would use the curb lane. The
streets are 100 ft wide so this could work, except we are taught as drivers
and it is almost instinctive that when you see something on a road that is
threatening, you would pull to the side of the road. That puppy didn't fly
from the get go. We also have one that nothing over 36" can be within 25
ft. of the street. Right now I can look across the street and see a 40 ft.
Maple tree that is within 4 ft. of the edge of the street corner. I have
one too - a flowering plum about the same distance and also on the corner,
planted by a previous owner.
For sure simple is better.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <josandt@verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox NIRVANA
>
> Lowell, I dearly missed your get-together and am glad as can be that you
> and the mrs are OK. Your words are always well thought out and well worth
> hearing. I relent - ONE CCR...all properties restricted to aircraft
> ownership and operations. A LOW MAINTENANCE grass strip. Thank you! It's
> the balance of those CCR's that cause much of the grief. The neighbors
> don't like that you conserve water and have a browner yard, they don't
> like your color scheme, they come over to measure the length of your
> grass, etc. Absolutely minimal restrictions on freedom - isn't that what
> the flying is about, after all? John
> John Sandt, Ridgecrest, CA
> Kitfox 7 and Corvair
> Tri-gear and BRS
>
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<John,
>
> I like the idea, but do your due diligence. I live in an airpalrk that
> has
> been in existance almost 40 years and there are folks here that literally
> hate each other. The street/taxiways are falling apart, but I love it
> anyway for all the reasons you mention.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
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I live in British Columbia Canada. Have a KF 111 mostly of floats. We
bought a home at an airpark in east Texas just south of Tyler. Climate
great and on a large lake. We will be wintering there. Check our
www.aeroestates airpark.
Don
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