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1. 04:19 AM - Re: Insurance woes. (Harold Flynn)
2. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: Attachment fitting at top of lift struts. (Guy Buchanan)
3. 06:48 AM - Re: Attachment fitting at top of lift struts. (dave)
4. 08:12 AM - Re: Insurance woes. (fly2wb@dishmail.net)
5. 08:21 AM - Re: weight and ballance (jdmcbean)
6. 08:39 AM - Re: weight and ballance (john oakley)
7. 08:41 AM - Re: weight and ballance (john oakley)
8. 09:47 AM - Re: weight and ballance (Noel Loveys)
9. 09:47 AM - Re: Insurance woes. (Noel Loveys)
10. 10:13 AM - Re: Insurance woes. (Steve Shinabery)
11. 10:40 AM - Re: Re: Attachment fitting at top of lift struts. (Guy Buchanan)
12. 10:40 AM - Re: Re: Attachment fitting at top of lift struts. (Guy Buchanan)
13. 11:45 AM - Re: weight and ballance (john oakley)
14. 12:06 PM - [Off-Topic] Today's flight (Michel Verheughe)
15. 12:15 PM - Re: weight and ballance (jdmcbean)
16. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: Attachment fitting at top of lift struts. (jdmcbean)
17. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: Attachment fitting at top of lift struts. (Ted Palamarek)
18. 02:49 PM - Re: weight and ballance (john oakley)
19. 02:58 PM - Model IV vs 6 or 7 (Lowell Fitt)
20. 04:38 PM - Re: [Off-Topic] Today's flight (Noel Loveys)
21. 04:57 PM - Re: Attachment fitting at top of lift struts. (dave)
22. 05:04 PM - Re: Model IV vs 6 or 7 (dave)
23. 06:08 PM - Re:Ronie smith,s fly in at SMLA (malcolmbru@aol.com)
24. 06:09 PM - Re: [Off-Topic] Today's flight (Jim Crowder)
25. 07:09 PM - Re: [Off-Topic] Today's flight (Steve Shinabery)
26. 07:58 PM - Hello Kitfox fans (Gary)
27. 09:32 PM - Re: Hello Kitfox fans (RAY Gignac)
28. 10:19 PM - Re: Model IV vs 6 or 7 (darinh)
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance woes. |
Try Falcon insurance agency of Arizona Ph# 1-800-880-3597
Hey guys,
I was all set to go look at, and possibly get a Kitfox this Sunday. I wanted to
buy it and then take my LSA instruction in it. I have an instructor lined up,
who says he will do it. So I called around today, and nobody will sell me insurance
because it is experimental, and I am a student. Even if I got my license
before I bought the plane they said I would need 50-100 hours in a taildragger
before they would concider it. How am I supposed to get 50-100 hours in, if
I can't get insureance on it?
Anyone ever come accross a situation like this? Is there any loopholes or anthing?
Andrew
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| Subject: | Re: Attachment fitting at top of lift struts. |
At 06:52 PM 10/19/2007, you wrote:
>Guy, how do you justify this statement ?
Which statement? Do you mean you would like me to provide the math?
Or do you mean the catagory limit loads?
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Attachment fitting at top of lift struts. |
yes, please show us how you can claim your rod ends will fail at 5.7g s and what
what weight of aircraft? And document your testing to make these statements.
Since you know how to figure this tell us when the outboard section of spar
from wing attach point outwards will actually bend and stay distorted.
Thanks in advance
> Using the rod end fittings found on my IV-1200 there was NO WAY you were going
to get to 14g's. (Personally I think that's an urban legend, since I've not
seen any NUMBERS to justify it.) Indeed my rod ends would fail at something closer
to 6g, as they should for this design. (Utility category limit loads of +3.8g,
-1.5g, break at +5.7, -2.25g.).
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140869#140869
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance woes. |
Hey Andrew,
I also had the same problem when completing my 5. I could not even get a
quote untill I had flown off 50 hours in a tailwheel. At that time I had
only 3 hours tailwheel time (for the endorsement) and considered these my
options.
Fly the airplane without insurance untill I satisfied the insurance
company requirement.
Get my CFI listed on my aircraft as PIC and fly the 50 with him in the
airplane at all times. Never checked for sure if this was even possible
but assumed it was.
Get checked out in rental tailwheel and fly the 50.
For various reasons---I chose to fly my new aircraft without any insurance
untill the 50 was flown off---contacted the insurance company and was
issued full coverage policy that day.
Glad I took the route I did but it was always in the back of my mind for
the first 50.
If you buy the airplane no matter what route you take you will be glad
that you did when the 50 is over and you are covered in an airplane you
own. The Kitfox is docile and forgiving and my wife always tells me how
much I smile after flying!
Brad Martin
Wichita
5 LYC0-235L2C
N232WB
> <1alawrence@earthlink.net>
>
> Hey guys,
> I was all set to go look at, and possibly get a Kitfox this
> Sunday. I wanted to buy it and then take my LSA instruction in
> it. I have an instructor lined up, who says he will do it. So I called
around today, and nobody will sell me insurance because it is
experimental, and I am a student. Even if I got my license
> before I bought the plane they said I would need 50-100 hours in a
taildragger before they would concider it. How am I supposed to get
50-100 hours in, if I can't get insureance on it?
>
> Anyone ever come accross a situation like this? Is there any loopholes
or
> anthing?
>
> Andrew
>
>
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| Subject: | weight and ballance |
John,
Underside of the cabin floor is used on all models and the wing
leading edge is the datum.
MAC on the Model 1 is 51
Max aft = less then 28% MAC
Max Forward = more then 20% MAC
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of john oakley
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
Hi guys,
I am involved in rebuilding Dans early number one. Does any one have the
info on a number one?
If not maybe a number two would do.
I know the floor is still the level point, I believe the leading edge is the
datum
But what is the balance point and what is the envelope.
John Oakley
5:41 PM
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| Subject: | weight and ballance |
Hi Jim,
Thanks for the help, does that mean the datum line is the firewall?
John oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 9:22 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
John,
Underside of the cabin floor is used on all models and the wing
leading edge is the datum.
MAC on the Model 1 is 51"
Max aft = less then 28% MAC
Max Forward = more then 20% MAC
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of john oakley
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
Hi guys,
I am involved in rebuilding Dan's early number one. Does any one have the
info on a number one?
If not maybe a number two would do.
I know the floor is still the level point, I believe the leading edge is the
datum
But what is the balance point and what is the envelope.
John Oakley
- The Kitfox-List Email Forum -
--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
- NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
--> http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | weight and ballance |
Jim,
Duh,
I just reread the note. The cord is 51",
Again thanks for the help, I am glad you are running the business.
John oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 9:22 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
John,
Underside of the cabin floor is used on all models and the wing
leading edge is the datum.
MAC on the Model 1 is 51"
Max aft = less then 28% MAC
Max Forward = more then 20% MAC
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of john oakley
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
Hi guys,
I am involved in rebuilding Dan's early number one. Does any one have the
info on a number one?
If not maybe a number two would do.
I know the floor is still the level point, I believe the leading edge is the
datum
But what is the balance point and what is the envelope.
John Oakley
- The Kitfox-List Email Forum -
--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
- NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
--> http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | weight and ballance |
Right the chord 51" and important to you, the Datum is the Leading edge
of
the wing. When the underside of the floor is level.
20% MAC = 10.2' (aft of the leading edge)
28% MAC = 14.28" (aft of the leading edge)
Just playing with the calculator.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john oakley
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
Jim,
Duh,
I just reread the note. The cord is 51",
Again thanks for the help, I am glad you are running the business.
John oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 9:22 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
John,
Underside of the cabin floor is used on all models and the
wing
leading edge is the datum.
MAC on the Model 1 is 51"
Max aft = less then 28% MAC
Max Forward = more then 20% MAC
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of john oakley
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
Hi guys,
I am involved in rebuilding Dan's early number one. Does any one have
the
info on a number one?
If not maybe a number two would do.
I know the floor is still the level point, I believe the leading edge is
the
datum
But what is the balance point and what is the envelope.
John Oakley
- The Kitfox-List Email Forum -
--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
- NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
--> http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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You guys should come to Canada... There is no such animal as a tail wheel
endorsement here.
Hull insurance when I checked into it didn't ask tail or nose. I may not
have checked far enough.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> fly2wb@dishmail.net
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 12:42 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insurance woes.
>
>
>
> Hey Andrew,
>
> I also had the same problem when completing my 5. I could not
> even get a
> quote untill I had flown off 50 hours in a tailwheel. At that
> time I had
> only 3 hours tailwheel time (for the endorsement) and
> considered these my
> options.
>
> Fly the airplane without insurance untill I satisfied the insurance
> company requirement.
>
> Get my CFI listed on my aircraft as PIC and fly the 50 with him in the
> airplane at all times. Never checked for sure if this was
> even possible
> but assumed it was.
>
> Get checked out in rental tailwheel and fly the 50.
>
> For various reasons---I chose to fly my new aircraft without
> any insurance
> untill the 50 was flown off---contacted the insurance company and was
> issued full coverage policy that day.
>
> Glad I took the route I did but it was always in the back of
> my mind for
> the first 50.
>
> If you buy the airplane no matter what route you take you will be glad
> that you did when the 50 is over and you are covered in an
> airplane you
> own. The Kitfox is docile and forgiving and my wife always
> tells me how
> much I smile after flying!
>
> Brad Martin
> Wichita
> 5 LYC0-235L2C
> N232WB
>
>
> > <1alawrence@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Hey guys,
> > I was all set to go look at, and possibly get a Kitfox this
> > Sunday. I wanted to buy it and then take my LSA instruction in
> > it. I have an instructor lined up, who says he will do it.
> So I called
> around today, and nobody will sell me insurance because it is
> experimental, and I am a student. Even if I got my license
> > before I bought the plane they said I would need 50-100 hours in a
> taildragger before they would concider it. How am I supposed to get
> 50-100 hours in, if I can't get insureance on it?
> >
> > Anyone ever come accross a situation like this? Is there
> any loopholes
> or
> > anthing?
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance woes. |
Great story Andrew,I too can not get insurance coverage.because I only
have under 10hr all so.I call all over trying to get coverage to no
luck.so far I have been OK,getting close to the 10 hr that I need.I
decided to fly my time off with out insurance.for now.any way the best
of luck to all of us with out insurance.Steve Shinabery,KF2,N554KF,Saint
Marys Ohio
fly2wb@dishmail.net wrote:
>
> Hey Andrew,
>
> I also had the same problem when completing my 5. I could not even get a
> quote untill I had flown off 50 hours in a tailwheel. At that time I had
> only 3 hours tailwheel time (for the endorsement) and considered these my
> options.
>
> Fly the airplane without insurance untill I satisfied the insurance
> company requirement.
>
> Get my CFI listed on my aircraft as PIC and fly the 50 with him in the
> airplane at all times. Never checked for sure if this was even possible
> but assumed it was.
>
> Get checked out in rental tailwheel and fly the 50.
>
> For various reasons---I chose to fly my new aircraft without any insurance
> untill the 50 was flown off---contacted the insurance company and was
> issued full coverage policy that day.
>
> Glad I took the route I did but it was always in the back of my mind for
> the first 50.
>
> If you buy the airplane no matter what route you take you will be glad
> that you did when the 50 is over and you are covered in an airplane you
> own. The Kitfox is docile and forgiving and my wife always tells me how
> much I smile after flying!
>
> Brad Martin
> Wichita
> 5 LYC0-235L2C
> N232WB
>
>
>
>> <1alawrence@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Hey guys,
>> I was all set to go look at, and possibly get a Kitfox this
>> Sunday. I wanted to buy it and then take my LSA instruction in
>> it. I have an instructor lined up, who says he will do it. So I called
>>
> around today, and nobody will sell me insurance because it is
> experimental, and I am a student. Even if I got my license
>
>> before I bought the plane they said I would need 50-100 hours in a
>>
> taildragger before they would concider it. How am I supposed to get
> 50-100 hours in, if I can't get insureance on it?
>
>> Anyone ever come accross a situation like this? Is there any loopholes
>>
> or
>
>> anthing?
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Attachment fitting at top of lift struts. |
At 06:48 AM 10/20/2007, you wrote:
>yes, please show us how you can claim your rod ends will fail at
>5.7g s and what what weight of aircraft? And document your testing
>to make these statements. Since you know how to figure this tell us
>when the outboard section of spar from wing attach point outwards
>will actually bend and stay distorted.
I don't know, Dave. It sounds like you may have a chip on your
shoulder and that I'd be pretty much wasting my time. You know very
well I haven't done any testing and that all the information publicly
available on Kitfox structural testing, (I've looked,) is contained
in those few pictures plus an anecdotal value of 14g's. Perhaps John
will come forth with details of the structural testing, including
methodology, drawings, detail photo's, and results.
When I find the time I will, however, provide the math and rod end
specifications for your use. Don't hold your breath but you may
remind me from time to time if I dally.
And you needn't be alarmed by my results. I DID note that they were
consistent with the stated design loads.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Attachment fitting at top of lift struts. |
At 06:23 PM 10/19/2007, you wrote:
>It's more than a legend, Guy. It was documented in a builder
>newsletter from the factory in the late '80s or early '90s, complete
>with photos of the physical testing. I have it around here
>somewhere... The caption on one of the photos specifically stated
>that the sandbags piled on the inverted wing/lift strut assembly
>represented 14g.
OK Mike. I know your word is good. I'll see if I can reconcile my
results with those in the pictures on John's site. If nothing else is
available John might be able to send enlargements of the pictures so
I can learn more about the testing. If anybody has the newsletter I'd
be grateful if I could get a copy.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | weight and ballance |
Noel and John,
Thanks for your time, we will be using that info this weekend.
This plane is the one that used to be in all the early photo and magazines.
John oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
Right the chord 51" and important to you, the Datum is the Leading edge of
the wing. When the underside of the floor is level.
20% MAC = 10.2' (aft of the leading edge)
28% MAC = 14.28" (aft of the leading edge)
Just playing with the calculator.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john oakley
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
Jim,
Duh,
I just reread the note. The cord is 51",
Again thanks for the help, I am glad you are running the business.
John oakley
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 9:22 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
John,
Underside of the cabin floor is used on all models and the wing
leading edge is the datum.
MAC on the Model 1 is 51"
Max aft = less then 28% MAC
Max Forward = more then 20% MAC
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of john oakley
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
Hi guys,
I am involved in rebuilding Dan's early number one. Does any one have the
info on a number one?
If not maybe a number two would do.
I know the floor is still the level point, I believe the leading edge is the
datum
But what is the balance point and what is the envelope.
John Oakley
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--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
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| Subject: | [Off-Topic] Today's flight |
Just some photos of a beautiful autumnal day in Norway:
http://home.online.no/~michel/Telemark/
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
do not archive
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| Subject: | weight and ballance |
John,
I talked with Dan about that aircraft recently So hope things
work out.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of john oakley
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
Noel and John,
Thanks for your time, we will be using that info this weekend.
This plane is the one that used to be in all the early photo and magazines.
John oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
Right the chord 51" and important to you, the Datum is the Leading edge of
the wing. When the underside of the floor is level.
20% MAC = 10.2' (aft of the leading edge)
28% MAC = 14.28" (aft of the leading edge)
Just playing with the calculator.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john oakley
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
Jim,
Duh,
I just reread the note. The cord is 51,
Again thanks for the help, I am glad you are running the business.
John oakley
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 9:22 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
John,
Underside of the cabin floor is used on all models and the wing
leading edge is the datum.
MAC on the Model 1 is 51
Max aft = less then 28% MAC
Max Forward = more then 20% MAC
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of john oakley
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
Hi guys,
I am involved in rebuilding Dans early number one. Does any one have the
info on a number one?
If not maybe a number two would do.
I know the floor is still the level point, I believe the leading edge is the
datum
But what is the balance point and what is the envelope.
John Oakley
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| Subject: | Re: Attachment fitting at top of lift struts. |
We do have the documentation on the structural testing done to the Fox. It
was extensive and done with FAR part 23 in mind for certification purposes.
I can tell you that when testing the wing section at 5.7g's positive... the
rod end did not fail.
Fly Safe !!
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| Subject: | Re: Attachment fitting at top of lift struts. |
Guy
I do have a copy of that test and I will forward a copy to you as soon as I
find it.
Ted Palamarek
K-IV-1200/912UL
Edmonton, Alberta
OK Mike. I know your word is good. I'll see if I can reconcile my
results with those in the pictures on John's site. If nothing else is
available John might be able to send enlargements of the pictures so
I can learn more about the testing. If anybody has the newsletter I'd
be grateful if I could get a copy.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | weight and ballance |
John,
Is there anything these guys should know about this aircraft?
It is getting quite a work over, you don't happen to have a tip rib in stock
do you?
John Oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
John,
I talked with Dan about that aircraft recently. So hope things
work out.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of john oakley
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
Noel and John,
Thanks for your time, we will be using that info this weekend.
This plane is the one that used to be in all the early photo and magazines.
John oakley
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
Right the chord 51" and important to you, the Datum is the Leading edge of
the wing. When the underside of the floor is level.
20% MAC = 10.2' (aft of the leading edge)
28% MAC = 14.28" (aft of the leading edge)
Just playing with the calculator.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john oakley
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
Jim,
Duh,
I just reread the note. The cord is 51",
Again thanks for the help, I am glad you are running the business.
John oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 9:22 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
John,
Underside of the cabin floor is used on all models and the wing
leading edge is the datum.
MAC on the Model 1 is 51"
Max aft = less then 28% MAC
Max Forward = more then 20% MAC
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of john oakley
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: weight and ballance
Hi guys,
I am involved in rebuilding Dan's early number one. Does any one have the
info on a number one?
If not maybe a number two would do.
I know the floor is still the level point, I believe the leading edge is the
datum
But what is the balance point and what is the envelope.
John Oakley
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| Subject: | Model IV vs 6 or 7 |
I would like some input from anyone that has flown at least a few hours in
both a Model IV and either a Series 6 or 7. Obviously, I am thinking of
what is out there as I contemplate my aviation future and need some
information on the relative feel of the relatively smaller vs the larger
models.
Lowell
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| Subject: | [Off-Topic] Today's flight |
Lots of water but few airstrips.
Are the fjords salt water?
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 4:36 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: [Off-Topic] Today's flight
>
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> Just some photos of a beautiful autumnal day in Norway:
> http://home.online.no/~michel/Telemark/
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Attachment fitting at top of lift struts. |
Guy , no chip on my shoulder. I only speak from what I have seen. Amd I think
i go the document that shows the 14 gs and no rod end failure.
If i can find i will scan and post it.
That being said I will agree that the rod ends do look tiny comaored to others
. For example I has a look at a N3 Pup ( 3/4 J3 Clone thingy) and it has huge
rod ends. I mean like the threads are i think 7/16's on front strut and 3/8s
on rear...... Now were they rolled theads and what is thier tensile I have no
idea but certainly "bigger physically" than ours.
What size are used on the new Super Sport John McBean ?
> I don't know, Dave. It sounds like you may have a chip on your
> shoulder and that I'd be pretty much wasting my time
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV vs 6 or 7 |
Lowell, I have only flwn Models 1 to 4 so far ..........
FUN FACTOR == 110 out 10 ........
Surely the new ones will be a good deal of Funfactor as well.
Glad to see you thinking of getting the saddle out soon :)
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| Subject: | Re:Ronie smith,s fly in at SMLA |
it was a great time at Ronies today pleanty of flying and a great mik of pilots
and friends? malcolm michigan
-----Original Message-----
From: fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 9:07 am
Subject: Kitfox-List: Horiz stab rod ends, was: Attachment fitting at top of lift
struts.
?
As I recall Lynn, I believe that is correct. I'm sure the service bulletin is available
on John's web site. Personally, everyone with a IV should have a look
at those rod ends to see if they have the 3/16" units. I'm not saying they should
all be changed, but it's something to be aware of and if you're in the building
process, now is the time to consider upgrading.?
Some say it is from mishandling that caused the breakage, which to some extend
may be true. However, there is a lot of down pressure on those rod ends, even
in normal flight. However, in turbulence, they can really take a beating.?
Deke Morisse?
S5/NE Michigan?
?
>?
> Is that "history of breakage in the IV" when they were 3/16" rod end > bearings?
I know there's an SB on changing these to 1/4", which is what I > did during
my building process. I got the AN490 threaded rod ends (1/4"), > welded them
myself, and got the necessary 1/4" x 3/16" rod end bearings, > and have been
avoiding the grim reaper ever since. : ) (knock on wood)?
>?
>?
> Lynn Matteson?
> Grass Lake, Michigan?
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200?
> flying w/420+ hrs?
>?
>?
>?
>?
> On Oct 19, 2007, at 7:46 AM, fox5flyer wrote:?
>?
>>?
>> One thing that needs to be remembered is that AN fittings have "rolled" >> threads,
not cut threads. This makes them much stronger than the normal >> non-AN
threaded fitting and much less susceptible to stress cracking at >> the threads.
Personally, if there was anything to worry about I believe >> it would be
the fittings at the horizontal stab where there is a history >> of breakage
in the IV.?
>> For what it's worth.?
>> Deke?
>> S5, NE Michigan?
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| Subject: | [Off-Topic] Today's flight |
Those are great photos. They look like panoramic. What kind of equipment
did you use? Did you just crop them to get the effect? Shooting panoramic
with my digital camera requires taking several pictures and stitching them
together. That would be difficult to do while flying.
Jim Crowder
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:06 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: [Off-Topic] Today's flight
Just some photos of a beautiful autumnal day in Norway:
http://home.online.no/~michel/Telemark/
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-Topic] Today's flight |
WOW some real good stuff..any more?? Steve Shinabery KF2 N554KF
Jim Crowder wrote:
>
> Those are great photos. They look like panoramic. What kind of equipment
> did you use? Did you just crop them to get the effect? Shooting panoramic
> with my digital camera requires taking several pictures and stitching them
> together. That would be difficult to do while flying.
>
> Jim Crowder
>
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel
> Verheughe
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:06 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: [Off-Topic] Today's flight
>
>
>
> Just some photos of a beautiful autumnal day in Norway:
> http://home.online.no/~michel/Telemark/
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Hello Kitfox fans |
I recently purchased a very complete 1992, model IV kit through ebay. The two
previous owners did little more than stare at the mountain of parts for 15 years!
Anyway, everything is in my garage now and things are coming along nicely
with most of the engine / firewall / cowling work completed. I wanted to mount
the single fan 6" heater core behind the instrument panel but there are no
instructions in my paperwork. I'd appreciate it if someone could fax me that
info. 416 7415144.
Thanks in advance
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Gary Del Bel Belluz
Toronto, IV / 912UL
Just getting started
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| Subject: | Hello Kitfox fans |
Mine is mounted on the rightside of the plane under the panel.
Ray> Subject: Kitfox-List: Hello Kitfox fans> From: delbelbelluz@rogers.com
> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:57:51 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > -
ently purchased a very complete 1992, model IV kit through ebay. The two pr
evious owners did little more than stare at the mountain of parts for 15 ye
ars! Anyway, everything is in my garage now and things are coming along nic
ely with most of the engine / firewall / cowling work completed. I wanted t
o mount the single fan 6" heater core behind the instrument panel but there
are no instructions in my paperwork. I'd appreciate it if someone could fa
x me that info. 416 7415144.> Thanks in advance> > --------> Gary Del Bel B
elluz> Toronto, IV / 912UL> Just getting started> > > > > Read this topic o
nline here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140951#140951>
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV vs 6 or 7 |
Don't know the difference between the models as I have only flown a model 3 but
my Series 7 with a 914 (arriving next week) should be equally fun if not more!
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
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