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1. 02:19 AM - Re: Boneyard (Steve Shinabery)
2. 03:33 AM - Aerocet 1100 Anphib installation instructions and dwgs (kitfoxjunky)
3. 04:49 AM - Re: Kitfox with radio full of static (Noel Loveys)
4. 05:04 AM - Re: Kitfox with radio full of static (Noel Loveys)
5. 06:15 AM - Re: Kitfox with radio full of static (Michel Verheughe)
6. 08:14 AM - Re: Aerocet 1100 Anphib installation instructions and dwgs (dave)
7. 08:22 AM - Re: Boneyard (dave)
8. 09:46 AM - Kitfox Model IV (flyboone)
9. 10:14 AM - Re: Re: Boneyard (Lowell Fitt)
10. 10:22 AM - Re: Kitfox with radio full of static (Pete Christensen)
11. 01:26 PM - Re: Kitfox Model IV (wingnut)
12. 02:06 PM - Re: Kitfox Model IV (Dan Billingsley)
13. 04:04 PM - Re: Kitfox Model IV (john oakley)
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Thank GOD,,you guys are doing fine now Lowell Family.air planes can be
replaced.people can not.and the kitfox saved you both.would another
aircraft saved you in the same matter??I may think not.it just shows you
and to the rest of us.what a little Kifox can go through and walk away
from in a accident as your.with out beeing __ __ __....I hope that I do
not go through what U did.but if I do I want to know what the little
Kitfox can do in this type of accident as yours.I belive I too could
walk awy from it too.and in one pice.I wish you the best Lowell family
and for sharing this story with us,your kit fox family..Steve
Shinabery,KF 2 ,N554KF,hope to see you again flying your new
kitfox...... :-)
Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
> Kay and I finally got to the salvage yard to pick up personal
> belongings and look over the remains of N96KL. I thought some of you
> might be interested in what we saw.
>
> First, though, was what we felt. I had been concerned with what my
> emotions might be when I saw the remains and was surprised to find
> that the reunion was a bit dispassionate. It was not very emotional
> at all. Kay shed a tear as we drove away, maybe because the airplane
> had been, in a sense, a bit of competition with her for my time for
> nearly fifteen years. I took no souvenirs, but have numerous pictures
> taken over those same years and tons of video footage taken during the
> numerous flights. Maybe that is why I was not too moved seeing the
> pile of "junk" We would have liked to have lingered longer to just
> poke around, but the owner of the salvage yard seemed to have no
> interest in us or our interests. I guess by agreement, he stood as
> guardion of the salvage remains as an agent of the new owners - the
> insurance company to see that nothing belonging to them ended up in
> the trunk of our car. On the drive out, as we talked about him, I
> opined that he probably had zero personality. Kay suggested that it
> might be possible to be below zero in that area and we both laughed.
>
> And junk it was.
>
> A brief description. The engine and all attached to it including the
> firewall and instrument panel were angled toward the ground so the
> spinner flange was at ground level. The windsheld and all the
> skylight area tubing was just gone as were the doors. The wings were
> folded back against a crumpled fuselage (for trailering) and the
> empennage was moderately damaged. The wings were pretty much intact,
> but the wing spars were damaged as were the flaperons, but not
> severly, yet not salvagable without major work. The empennage looked
> the best of all the structural components - salvageable but not
> without some welding. Interestingly enough, the seats were just
> sitting there as secure as could be with the seat belts piled on them
> with virtually nothing overhead and everything forward moved forward
> which provided for easy egress for us after the dust cleared.
>
> The most striking thing I noticed was that the lift struts were
> perfect, including the recently discussed rod end fittings. These are
> probably the only structural members that could be bolted directly to
> another airplane with nothing needed except cleaning up the fairings.
>
> For those of you that opted for the Hammerhead landing gear when the
> quiet war was raging between Grove and Hammerhead, the following might
> be of interest. the gear was sheared off completely, but the gear
> showed no signs of being bent or damaged in any way. It was my
> understanding that Hammerhead opted for 7075 aluminum bent then
> treated to T6 , which if true, is really tuff stuff and might explain
> the fine appearance of the gear legs. Both tires (Mippi style) were
> still on the gear and the right tire deflated. The left tire was still
> pressurized. I didn't have time to examine the tire to see why it
> deflated, nor much time to examine much of any of the engine or engine
> compartment. I did notice that the battery was in position snugly
> held by the tray and the three adel clamps. The ELT was on the seats
> as it had triggered and the emergency folks removed it to shut off the
> signal.
>
> As to the point of impact? The gear sheared off, the engine was
> angeled down which opened up the cockpit area (absolutely nothing
> above the seats) like breaking a stick over your knee, both wingtips
> were damaged, but not excessively, and the fuselage was crumpled. At
> the site, the bottom ring cowl was under the tailwheel. My guess is
> that we came down hard on the landing gear and it didn't absorb as
> much energy as might be expected and the fuselage folded down over
> it. We had wondered what had caused the puncture wound in Kay's calf
> - there was lots of broken structural tubing that might have caused that.
>
> The engine was apparently still running as one prop blade was sheared
> off at the hub and the engine apparently ran for a third of a
> revolution as the sheared blade was in a horizontal position.
>
> One more interesting thing that I noticed. I made a thin aluminum
> enclosure to hold the power supply for the video camera. It was about
> .5"x1.5"x2" in dimension, mounted by adel clamps and the circuit board
> for the supply (the only mass) mounted in the opposite side from the
> adel clamps. The impact distorted this box to a parallelogram shape,
> by maybe 1/8". I don't know how many Gs that represents, but we feel
> pretty fortunate we are doing as well as we are, let alone us both
> being here.
>
> Regards,
>
> Lowell
>
>
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| Subject: | Aerocet 1100 Anphib installation instructions and dwgs |
Finally tracked down all my Aerocet documentation. They were tucked in an
Aircraft Spruce catalog. I have pdf'ed everything and posted them to my
web site. See the address below. Go to the Aerocet Float folder. There
are three PDF files. Two are the installation instructions, one being for
the straight floats and the other for the anphibs. You need both as the
anphib guide takes over where the straight float guide leaves off. The
third pdf is the exploded assembly drawings and parts listing. Also
included is the procedure for checking the main gear over centre position,
and the rigging instructions for the cables that operate the gear. If you
have a set of these floats, download, print and protect these. They
really come in handy.
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
do not archive
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| Subject: | Kitfox with radio full of static |
Are you operating the radio from the aircraft 12V system? Do you hear
the
static on receive?
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
debrun26@juno.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:47 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox with radio full of static
Noel & Michel~ Thanks for the help with the static radio problem.
My
power plant is a Sooby EA81 engine. The interference starts at 3000 rpm
but
it's clear to those listening to me. I have an external antenna mounted
behind the turtle deck. I'll check all your suggestions and see if I
can
get to hear the tower better. Thanks, Layne Series 5 EA81 Sooby
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| Subject: | Kitfox with radio full of static |
I just thought of more sources of static.
First is the ECU for your Subie... the case should be very well
grounded (
my old beef) Although I seriously doubt that's your problem.
Next is the possibility of a cracked ignition coil. It is possible that
one
of your coils is breaking down and arcing above 3000 rpm.
Finally check out your alternator. I can't say why, but what I would be
looking for is worn out brushes, springs or any puffy looking capacitors
that you may find associated with your charging system. Check for dark
spots on the slip rings of the alternator. While you are at it check
out
the connections from your voltage regulator to your field coil.
Being mounted outside your antenna will be using your frame as a ground
plane. Assuming the mount was cleaned before the antenna was installed
there probably won't be any problem there. I'd still get the SWR
checked as
part of the annual though. It only takes a few seconds especially if
you
have a noise bridge ( piece of technical equipment)
Too bad we can't hear the type of hash you are getting.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
debrun26@juno.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:47 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox with radio full of static
Noel & Michel~ Thanks for the help with the static radio problem.
My
power plant is a Sooby EA81 engine. The interference starts at 3000 rpm
but
it's clear to those listening to me. I have an external antenna mounted
behind the turtle deck. I'll check all your suggestions and see if I
can
get to hear the tower better. Thanks, Layne Series 5 EA81 Sooby
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| Subject: | Kitfox with radio full of static |
> From: debrun26@juno.com
> Sent: 2007-10-24 08:17:03 CEST
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox with radio full of static
>
> Noel & Michel~ Thanks for the help with the static radio problem. My power
plant is a Sooby EA81 engine. The interference starts at 3000 rpm but it's
clear to those listening to me. I have an external antenna mounted behind the
turtle deck. I'll check all your suggestions and see if I can get to hear the
tower better. Thanks, Layne
Layne, when I had a Rotax 582, I also experienced statics at and above a certain
RPM. I then moved the regulator from nearby the radio to ahead of the firewall.
RFI were gone! The reason was: The regulator is a switch-mode electronic one.
When the voltage exceed say 14 V, it chops electronically part of it to keep
it at that level. What I could hear was the 'chopping.' Distance and firewall
between the two ... et voila!
It is probably not your case but ... that's all I can think of. Good luck.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Aerocet 1100 Anphib installation instructions and dwgs |
Gary, I just spent the last hour scanning float documents as well.
Will check your out too soon I almost done. Some of these I might have gotten
from you already.
Dave
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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Lowell,
Excellent write up on the aftermath and saying good bye to your Kitfox. You owe
that Kitfox your lives possibly for taking hte brunt of the impact.
The construction of the Kitfox likely saved your lives. The Ability of the 4130
to absorb some of the impact. This cannot be compared but certainly in this
instance some of the alum tube aircraft that seem very popular perhaps the occupants
might not have faired as well.
Also, what was the cause of the oil issue that instigated the forced landing?
Certainly alot of 912 drivers must have the same curiosity.
What brand oil filter were you using ?
Glad to hear the "rod ends" were in fact intact.
I am waiting to see documentation showing 5 gs or 14 gs .
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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Hi guys,
I was looking at a Kitfox model IV kit on Barnstomers.com that is ready to cover.
It is setup as a tail tragger, but for personal preference and insurance reasons,
I would like to convert it to tricycle gear. Will the Super Sport nose
gear from Kitfox Aircraft work on a model IV? If not, what are my options?
I appreciate your thoughts and expertise.
Thanks,
Jason Cole
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Dave,
I don't think we will ever know about the cause of the low oil pressure
gauge indication. I doubt the FAA or NTSB will spend a lot of time on this
due to the many other tasks at hand. The FAA guy said as much when he was
here at my home. He said that he was attempting to get a Rotax rep to look
at the engine, but to date there is no indication that that has been done.
At the time of his visit he was still investigating the fatal crash of the
Bonanza at Cameron Park that same morning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOaAZ1i2gNA
And comparitively speaking our mishap was like a fender bender to the
Highway Patrol.
My feeling, though, it was a faulty sender. On the Rotax 912 UL the oil
temp and oil pressure senders are in the front of the engine and in the air
flow right behind the prop. I had problems with the temp sender frequently
due to broken wires. This I attributed to the prop pulses on the wires. I
tied them in very tightly, but sometimes they lasted less than six months.
The pressure sender? I am not a trained investigator, but my impression is
that the engine was still running at the time of impact and neither Kay or I
recall a stationary prop blade during the descent. Interestingly enough, I
have an audio recording of that entire flight, but previous experience of
listening to recordings of stressful situations in my airplane makes me
reluctant to listen to it yet. I have lots of video and that is not a
problem blood pressure wise, but listening to the audio, for some reason, I
can feel my heart rate and adrenaline level rise. It would give the
duration of the let down as there is conversation between Kay and I as I
began the descent to the time of impact. I don't know how long a 912 would
run with no oil, but I am sure it was at least two or three minutes or more
after seeing the low oil pressure indication and the hard landing.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:22 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Boneyard
>
> Lowell,
>
> Excellent write up on the aftermath and saying good bye to your Kitfox.
> You owe that Kitfox your lives possibly for taking hte brunt of the
> impact.
>
> The construction of the Kitfox likely saved your lives. The Ability of
> the 4130 to absorb some of the impact. This cannot be compared but
> certainly in this instance some of the alum tube aircraft that seem very
> popular perhaps the occupants might not have faired as well.
>
> Also, what was the cause of the oil issue that instigated the forced
> landing? Certainly alot of 912 drivers must have the same curiosity.
> What brand oil filter were you using ?
>
> Glad to hear the "rod ends" were in fact intact.
>
> I am waiting to see documentation showing 5 gs or 14 gs .
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141510#141510
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox with radio full of static |
Layne,
What are the advantages of a Sooby EA81 engine? Are they reliable? Are
they easy to maintain or do you have to be a magician to keep them
running? Would you recommend that engine?
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: debrun26@juno.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:17 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox with radio full of static
Noel & Michel~ Thanks for the help with the static radio problem.
My power plant is a Sooby EA81 engine. The interference starts at 3000
rpm but it's clear to those listening to me. I have an external antenna
mounted behind the turtle deck. I'll check all your suggestions and see
if I can get to hear the tower better. Thanks, Layne Series 5 EA81
Sooby
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Model IV |
I noticed that the old sportplane llc web site was updated with a nose gear conversion
for a model 4:
http://sportplanellc.com/landing_gear.htm
It's not listed on the new kitfoxaircraft.com web site so maybe they dropped it
but it's worth a try.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Model IV |
Jason,
John McBean at Kitfox Aviation has the info you need. I suggest calling
him and talking. I don't believe the SuperSport nosegear will work on the
IV, however, they will have what you need for the IV.
Dan B Kitfox IV 912s TriGear
Mesa, AZ
>
> Hi guys,
> I was looking at a Kitfox model IV kit on Barnstomers.com that is ready to
> cover. It is setup as a tail tragger, but for personal preference and
> insurance reasons, I would like to convert it to tricycle gear. Will the
> Super Sport nose gear from Kitfox Aircraft work on a model IV? If not,
> what are my options? I appreciate your thoughts and expertise.
>
> Thanks,
> Jason Cole
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141538#141538
>
>
Industrial Tech.
Skyline High School
The sky is not the limit...
It's only the beginning.
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Jason,
I believe the later 4's had the plates necessary to convert. We are doing a
model 1 now and it is extensive work.
John at the factory has everything you need to do the job, he has been a
great help for us.
John Oakley
4 speedster long land short wing
912ul cap
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyboone
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:46 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Model IV
Hi guys,
I was looking at a Kitfox model IV kit on Barnstomers.com that is ready to
cover. It is setup as a tail tragger, but for personal preference and
insurance reasons, I would like to convert it to tricycle gear. Will the
Super Sport nose gear from Kitfox Aircraft work on a model IV? If not, what
are my options? I appreciate your thoughts and expertise.
Thanks,
Jason Cole
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141538#141538
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