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1. 02:05 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV (Steve Shinabery)
2. 02:12 AM - Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV, Comment (dave)
3. 03:25 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV (Michel Verheughe)
4. 04:04 AM - Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV (dave)
5. 08:19 AM - Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV vs Hatz (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
6. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV (RRTRACK@AOL.COM)
7. 10:28 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV (mscotter@comcast.net)
8. 10:40 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV (Michael Gibbs)
9. 11:13 AM - New kitfox builder (Tucsonchris)
10. 11:22 AM - Re: New kitfox builder (darinh)
11. 11:27 AM - Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV (darinh)
12. 12:14 PM - open your eyes to Fuel injection on a KitFox (jason Parker)
13. 01:15 PM - RV7 on floats (Fred Shiple)
14. 02:50 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV, Comment (Noel Loveys)
15. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV (Michel Verheughe)
16. 03:29 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV (John W. Hart)
17. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV (Noel Loveys)
18. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV (Michael Gibbs)
19. 06:13 PM - Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV (dave)
20. 06:16 PM - Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV (dave)
21. 06:53 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV (Noel Loveys)
22. 06:57 PM - Re: open your eyes to Fuel injection on a KitFox (Kevin Cozik)
23. 07:50 PM - Re: New kitfox builder (Tony Partain)
24. 08:16 PM - Re: New kitfox builder (A Smith)
25. 08:56 PM - Avid Builder (Harry Cieslar)
26. 09:07 PM - Re: Avid Builder (Michael Gibbs)
27. 09:43 PM - Re: Avid Builder (john oakley)
28. 09:44 PM - Re: New kitfox builder (john oakley)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV |
A kitfox 2 with a 85 hp Jabiru.will come close to the 150 ft.for take
off. I have not done this yet but planning to do so..U need to talk to
Jabiru engine dealer at 518-851-2095..I know this sounds unreal but..
even at 250ft WOW..can the RV do that?..but all so my kitfox can not do
160-200mph either.but this is not what it was built for.it was built so
I can go fishing... Steve S KF2 554KF
wingnut wrote:
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>
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>> I like the high wing for looking around, the RV slow cruise was around 160 MPH,
with the Kitfox it is closer to 80 MPH.
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>
>
> Good point about the high wing. That does make for a nice view when flyign low.
Interesting point on the slow flight though. What would happen in an RV if
you pulled back power even more and let it slow down to 80? Would it fly poorly
at that speed?
>
> No need to get angry Steve. I'm just asking. I've never owned an RV and I love
my Kitfox... But honestly though.. 150 ft landing roll for a model 4? I thought
it was more like 250ft?
>
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> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141870#141870
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV, Comment |
RVs been on my neighbours floats for a while now .
http://www.clamarfloats.com/ his floats start at 2200s with no plans for anything maller. He has alot requests for LSA floats but he says he would have to sell them for 30k + and figures the market would be small them.
You will see the Clamar Floats on alot of super cub clones , Glass airs and now
with his 3500s they going on the Murphy Moose and C 185 (owner maintenances)
These floats are built Very strong.
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV |
> From: Steve Shinabery [shinco@bright.net]
> A kitfox 2 with a 85 hp Jabiru.will come close to the 150 ft.for take
> off.
With a decent headwind, low density altitude, light configuration and fine pitch
prop, it probably will, Steve. But is there a point in it? I would never try
to land on a field that is only 150 ft long as I would never dare to take off
from it. I'd rather leave marginal stuff to test pilots.
Incidentally, the shortest take-off I have ever experienced was with a Slepcev
Storch and it was most probably due to the slats on the wing leading edges. On
the other hand, those slats create a tremendous drag and the cruise speed was
slower than my Kitfox.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV |
> With a decent headwind, low density altitude, light configuration and fine pitch
prop, it probably will, Steve. But is there a point in it? I would never try
to land on a field that is only 150 ft long as I would never dare to take off
from it. I'd rather leave marginal stuff to test pilots.
>
Michel, I have several videos here of my Kitfox IV on you tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg1qKTvHOAg 150' easy take offs.
I can clear a 75 foot obstacle in about 500 to 600 feet distance , mind you there
is little margin for error.
same short runway 550 feet long i land in skis into the hangar ( not literally) here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0COIbiwm9g
plus 2 feet of powder helps slow you down.
I can land in 150 to 200 feet by hitting it perfectly but no margin for error
like having a dead end. This is one of the best parts of having a Kitfox is
finding and exploring it's wonderful attributes.
For short take offs a few contributing factors include,
-light weight
-power ie high power to weight ratio - Rotax
- longer prop certainly helps.
-Flaperons - I have over 30 degrees available on my IV and contrary to some other's
"beliefs" my data and factual flying and use of them show time and time
again that using your flaps over 30 degrees for take off certainly gets your
weight from gear to Wings faster and will help you break ground or water quicker
although some limit theirs for 20 degrees only. I am open to argument's
on this fact as well. On the note of flaps over 20 degree on landing does not
seem to help much.
It like you go the tools ( kitfox ) now go use it !! Kinda like owning a RV and
cruising at 80 mph
:P
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV vs Hatz |
That would likely be Kurtis Arnold. We have shared thoughts on the HatzClassic/9-cylinder
Rotek combination. He is a year are so ahead of me in the process.
Yet another flight profile to be enjoyed.
Enough fluff, the landing profile I use for the RV-9 is similar to the Kitfox,
just 10 mph higher. Both are excellent handling aircraft on the ground. Recently
had the opportunity to make takeoff and landing in the RV with 25 mph 45
degree winds; handled them well. Have done essentially the same thing with the
'Fox but with a lot shorter time on the ground. I have landed the 'Fox when
power was required to get off the numbers.
John Kerr
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From: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Bit off topic but since John mentioned he is building a Hatz I thought I would
mention that there is a project in my area that is a Hatz with one of the 150
HP Rotec Radial engines. Nice looking combination.
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
do not archive
kerrjohna@comcast.net
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox vs. Van's RV
For me the comparison is dirt bikes and road bikes. I have a Classic IV and an
RV 9 and match the machine to the task. And now I am building a Hatz Classic
for yet another type of flight. "Just another line on the balance sheet."
John Kerr
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From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> I ran into something quite entertaining yesterday. You see, I monitor the
> vansairforce.com forums because I would like to builld an RV7 or 8 (maybe even
a
> 10) after the Kitfox. Anyway, I saw a post on that forum titled "Anyone ever
> considered a Kitfox"? I had to bite...as I was reading through the posts, I
> couldn't believe what was being said! Almost everyone that replied new almost
> nothing about the Kitfox but none the less had a comment along the lines of
> this:
>
> "Don't build a KitFox until you've flown one and are sure you like it. They
> don't fly like RVs"...Brilliant statement!
>
> or
>
> "Anoth er means of consideration is go to fly-ins and count the RVs vs. KitFoxes.
> Check the ratio of started vs. completed kits."...I think Van's has around 5500
> flying aircraft. This is a shot in the dark but I would bet there are close to
> that number of Kitfoxes that have been finished and flown.
>
> I got a chuckle out of the whole thing and in my mind this comparison is about
> the same as comparing an RV-7 to a Citation 10! Or, the proverbial apples to
> oranges. To their credit, there were a couple of guys and even a kitfox owner
> or two that chimed in to state that these airplanes have missions that are 180
> degrees of each other and the Kitfox is excellent especially when in its
> element. Here is the link if any of you want a laugh!
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=22780
>
> As for me, I would love to have an RV down the road for my cross count ry fli
s.com/
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<DIV>That would likely be Kurtis Arnold. We have shared thoughts on the HatzClassic/9-cylinder
Rotek combination. He is a year are so ahead of me in the
process. Yet another flight profile to be enjoyed.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Enough fluff, the landing profile I use for the RV-9 is similar to the Kitfox,
just 10 mph higher. Both are excellent handling aircraft on the ground.
Recently had the opportunity to make takeoff and landing in the RV
with 25 mph 45 degree winds; handled them well. Have done essentially the
same thing with the 'Fox but with a lot shorter time on the ground. I
have landed the 'Fox when power was required to get off the numbers.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Kerr</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Bit off topic but since John mentioned he is building a Hatz I thought I would mention that there is a project in my area that is a Hatz with one of the 150 HP Rotec Radial engines. Nice looking combination. </FONT><BR><BR><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Gary Walsh<BR>KF IV Anphib 912S<BR>C-GOOT<BR>www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox<BR><BR>do not archive</FONT> <BR><BR><BR>
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Kitfox vs. Van's RV</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR><BR><FONT size=3>For
me the comparison is dirt bikes and road bikes. I have a Classic
IV and an RV 9 and match the machine to the task. And now I am building
a Hatz Classic for yet another type of flight. "Just another line on the
balance sheet."</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT size=3>John
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<BR><BR>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "d
arinh"
<BR>> <BR>> I ran into something quite entertaining yesterday. You see,
I monitor the <BR>> vansairforce.com forums because I would like to builld
an RV7 or 8 (maybe even a <BR>> 10) after the Kitfox. Anyway, I saw a post
on that forum titled "Anyone ever <BR>> considered a Kitfox"? I had to bite...as
I was reading through the posts, I <BR>> couldn't believe what was being
said! Almost everyone that replied new almost <BR>> nothing about the Kitfox
but none the less had a comment along the lines of <BR>> this: <BR>>
<BR>> "Don't build a KitFox until you've flown one and are sure you like
it. They <BR>> don't fly like RVs"...Brilliant statement! <BR>> <BR>>
or <BR>> <BR>> "Anoth er means of consideration is go to fly-ins and count
the RVs vs. KitFoxes. <BR>> Check the ratio of started vs. completed kits."...I
think Van's has around 5500 <BR>> flying aircraft. This is a shot
in the dark but I would bet there are close to <BR>&
gt; th
at number of Kitfoxes that have been finished and flown. <BR>> <BR>> I got a chuckle out of the whole thing and in my mind this comparison is about <BR>> the same as comparing an RV-7 to a Citation 10! Or, the proverbial apples to <BR>> oranges. To their credit, there were a couple of guys and even a kitfox owner <BR>> or two that chimed in to state that these airplanes have missions that are 180 <BR>> degrees of each other and the Kitfox is excellent especially when in its <BR>> element. Here is the link if any of you want a laugh! <BR>> <BR>> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=22780 <BR>> <BR>> As for me, I would love to have an RV down the road for my cross count ry fli s.com/ </FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><B><BR><BR>FORUMS -<BR><BR></B></FONT><BR><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" color=#000000 size=2>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV |
With flaps the RV can fly around at 80 MPH, but you need to pay a lot of
attention to airspeed and flying it so it's not comfortable or relaxing for me.
Like to carry enough extra airspeed to handle a big downdraft or wind sheer
when at low altitudes.
"Jimmy's" video of the Kitfox IV speedster shows that model Kitfox doing
aerobatics but I would not try it in my long wing Vixen. The wings flex to
much and not enough ailerons control for me.
I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just not comfortable with these
things.
There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold
pilots!
I rent a Super Decathlon to get aerobatic time when I feel the need. Again
different mission.
Mark
Kitfox 5 Vixen
912UL IVO
Hartford, Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV |
Your statement kind of begs the question. Are there any Kitfox owners out there
who regularly throw in a couple loops or rolls to mix things up? I know the
'Fox can do these things, I'm just wondering if anyone really does in practice,
i.e. do people feel comfortable doing them, are they fun in the Kitfox, etc.
Mark Scott
Elkton, MD
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From: RRTRACK@aol.com
...SNIP...
"Jimmy's" video of the Kitfox IV speedster shows that model Kitfox doing aerobatics
but I would not try it in my long wing Vixen. The wings flex to much and
not enough ailerons control for me.
I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just not comfortable with these things.
There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots!
I rent a Super Decathlon to get aerobatic time when I feel the need. Again different
mission.
Mark
Kitfox 5 Vixen
912UL IVO
Hartford, Wisconsin
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<DIV>Your statement kind of begs the question. Are there any Kitfox owners
out there who regularly throw in a couple loops or rolls to mix things up?
I know the 'Fox <EM>can</EM> do these things, I'm just wondering if anyone
really does in practice, i.e. do people feel comfortable doing them, are they
fun in the Kitfox, etc.</DIV>
<DIV>Mark Scott</DIV>
<DIV>Elkton, MD</DIV>
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<DIV> ...SNIP...</DIV>
<DIV> "Jimmy's" video of the Kitfox IV speedster shows that model Kitfox
doing aerobatics but I would not try it in my long wing Vixen. The wings flex
to much and not enough ailerons control for me.</DIV>
<DIV> I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just not comfortable
with these things.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold
pilots!</DIV>
<DIV>I rent a Super Decathlon to get aerobatic time when I feel the need. Again
different mission.
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 PTSIZE="10" FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Mark<BR>Kitfox
5 Vixen<BR>912UL IVO<BR>Hartford, Wisconsin</FONT></FONT><FONT style="FONT:
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV |
>Are there any Kitfox owners out there who regularly throw in a
>couple loops or rolls to mix things up?
I have heard that it's not uncommon to see Steve Kellandar doing just
that in his Model IV-1200 Speedster.
>...are they fun in the Kitfox, etc.
That's what Tim Weber indicated after a couple of flights in my 'fox.
Mike G.
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | New kitfox builder |
I've been watching this list for months while my kit was being prepared at the
factory and now the big day has arrived. I just took possession of my new Kitfox
Supersport. I have the quick build wings and quick build fuselage sitting in
my workshop. I'll be installing the 912S and going tri-gear. Haven't decided
on which cowl yet, but I'm open to opinions. Just wanted to introduce myself
and I expect to now become active on the boards.
Chris
Tucson, Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: New kitfox builder |
Chris,
Welcome and congrats on the new kit! You will love the Kitfox they are great airplane!
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV |
I am with Mark on this, I don't know how comfortable I would feel doing aerobatics
in the Fox. It definitely can be done as shown by Jimmy Franklin in the famous
Classic IV airshow video but...
I knew an instructor that used to do rolls in a Cessna 150...CRAZY!! Unfortunately,
he is not around anymore.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
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| Subject: | open your eyes to Fuel injection on a KitFox |
Many people know me as the guy who fuel injects Rotax engines in California. If you haven't seen my line of engines go to www.experimentalfuelinjection.com.
1. zero maintenance on fuel side. no carbs to jet. no carbs to maintain, no
carbs period
2. direct port fuel injection insures all cylinders are getting the same amount
of fuel
3. single throttle body means that all cylinders are breathing equally. No
Balancing carbs
4. 55amp alternator stock with all engines
5. In flight fuel adjustments via a knob located on your gage pod. Lean your
aircraft out for cruise.
Prices on kits for the 912 start at 6K, 914 at 10K, overhauled 914's with fuel
injection 15K
Jason 661 428-1850
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV, Comment |
Neat! He lands a lot hotter than I do but then again he has a hotter plane.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:37 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV, Comment
>
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>
> You mean like this one?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj2aRT1eaQw
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141874#141874
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV |
On Oct 26, 2007, at 1:03 PM, dave wrote:
> Michel, I have several videos here of my Kitfox IV on you tube.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg1qKTvHOAg 150' easy take offs.
Dave, I have seen, I think, all of your videos on YouTube. I have send
their link to many friends and, since the earth is round, I have even
received back those links from friends.
I cannot do what you are doing from my 2,400 ft asphalt runway because
it is an ICAO certified airfield with strong regulations. But even so,
I wouldn't dare to do half of what you are doing.
But I thank you for doing it and illustrate in as videos because it
shows me what a Kitfox can do and endure and it makes me feel more
confident if an incident should occur.
This being said and while I fly from a very safe airfield with lots of
flat fields around, I often do dead-stick landing on the mark, just to
practice precision landing if I should experience an engine cut. But
otherwise, I have never done what you guys are doing, like flying a few
feet over a river bed, etc. I am never below the legal 500 ft AGL.
Still, I love flying and I love my Kitfox and wouldn't exchange it for
anything else.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV |
Michel,
The flying regulations in the U.S. do not specify a minimum altitude over
open water or sparsely populated areas. I've copied the part that specifies
our minimum altitude below:
"Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an
aircraft below the following altitudes:
(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency
landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or
settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000
feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of
the aircraft.
(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the
surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases,
the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel,
vehicle, or structure.
(d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums
prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is
conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In addition,
each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any routes or altitudes
specifically prescribed for helicopters by the Administrator."
John Hart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV
Dave, I have seen, I think, all of your videos on YouTube. I have send
their link to many friends and, since the earth is round, I have even
received back those links from friends.
I cannot do what you are doing from my 2,400 ft asphalt runway because
it is an ICAO certified airfield with strong regulations. But even so,
I wouldn't dare to do half of what you are doing.
But I thank you for doing it and illustrate in as videos because it
shows me what a Kitfox can do and endure and it makes me feel more
confident if an incident should occur.
This being said and while I fly from a very safe airfield with lots of
flat fields around, I often do dead-stick landing on the mark, just to
practice precision landing if I should experience an engine cut. But
otherwise, I have never done what you guys are doing, like flying a few
feet over a river bed, etc. I am never below the legal 500 ft AGL.
Still, I love flying and I love my Kitfox and wouldn't exchange it for
anything else.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV |
Up here in the Great soon to be white, North TC (Transport Canada) has these
regs on low flight. There is also regs for allowed low flight, Approaches
and take offs Etc.
602.14 (1) [Repealed]
(amended 2003/03/01; previous version)
(2) Except where conducting a take-off, approach or landing or where
permitted under section 602.15, no person shall operate an aircraft
(a) over a built-up area or over an open-air assembly of persons unless the
aircraft is operated at an altitude from which, in the event of an emergency
necessitating an immediate landing, it would be possible to land the
aircraft without creating a hazard to persons or property on the surface,
and, in any case, at an altitude that is not lower than
(i) for aeroplanes, 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle located within a
horizontal distance of 2,000 feet from the aeroplane,
(ii) for balloons, 500 feet above the highest obstacle located within a
horizontal distance of 500 feet from the balloon, or
(iii) for an aircraft other than an aeroplane or a balloon, 1,000 feet above
the highest obstacle located within a horizontal distance of 500 feet from
the aircraft; and
(b) in circumstances other than those referred to in paragraph (a), at a
distance less than 500 feet from any person, vessel, vehicle or structure.
More words but essentially the same as the FAA regs.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> John W. Hart
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:58 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV
>
>
> <akanka@kiamichiwb.org>
>
> Michel,
> The flying regulations in the U.S. do not specify a minimum
> altitude over
> open water or sparsely populated areas. I've copied the part
> that specifies
> our minimum altitude below:
>
> "Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may
> operate an
> aircraft below the following altitudes:
>
> (a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an
> emergency
> landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
>
> (b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or
> settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an
> altitude of 1,000
> feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of
> 2,000 feet of
> the aircraft.
>
> (c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the
> surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas.
> In those cases,
> the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any
> person, vessel,
> vehicle, or structure.
>
> (d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums
> prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is
> conducted without hazard to persons or property on the
> surface. In addition,
> each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any
> routes or altitudes
> specifically prescribed for helicopters by the Administrator."
>
> John Hart
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
> Verheughe
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:04 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV
>
>
> Dave, I have seen, I think, all of your videos on YouTube. I
> have send
> their link to many friends and, since the earth is round, I have even
> received back those links from friends.
>
> I cannot do what you are doing from my 2,400 ft asphalt
> runway because
> it is an ICAO certified airfield with strong regulations. But
> even so,
> I wouldn't dare to do half of what you are doing.
>
> But I thank you for doing it and illustrate in as videos because it
> shows me what a Kitfox can do and endure and it makes me feel more
> confident if an incident should occur.
>
> This being said and while I fly from a very safe airfield
> with lots of
> flat fields around, I often do dead-stick landing on the
> mark, just to
> practice precision landing if I should experience an engine cut. But
> otherwise, I have never done what you guys are doing, like
> flying a few
> feet over a river bed, etc. I am never below the legal 500 ft AGL.
> Still, I love flying and I love my Kitfox and wouldn't
> exchange it for
> anything else.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV |
Darin sez:
>I knew an instructor that used to do rolls in a Cessna 150...CRAZY!!
Why do you consider that crazy? A properly executed roll would never
come close to the design limits for a normal category airplane. I'm
assuming that there are no restrictions on performing the maneuver in
the operating limitations. My Turbo Arrow has a placard saying that
no aerobatic maneuvers, including spins, are approved.
Mike G.
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV |
aileron roll is 1 g
loop 3 g
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142076#142076
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV |
Michel,
> But I thank you for doing it and illustrate in as videos because it
> shows me what a Kitfox can do and endure and it makes me feel more
> confident if an incident should occur.
>
I would like to challenge others to get more Kitfox Videos up on youtube or wherever.
I have 20 some odd up there now and could get a few more up any day now
:)
Dave
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142077#142077
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV |
Bet you've never rolled your plane with the floats on :-) My father
intentionally spun his C172 on floats.... He told me not to be as foolish
as he was. Recovery took almost 3.000ft.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:43 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox vs. Van's RV
>
>
>
> aileron roll is 1 g
>
> loop 3 g
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142076#142076
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: open your eyes to Fuel injection on a KitFox |
Worn out ex-military engines with homemade fuel injection? Only $15,000?
No thanks.
Do not archive
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: jason Parker
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:13 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: open your eyes to Fuel injection on a KitFox
Many people know me as the guy who fuel injects Rotax engines in
California. If you haven't seen my line of engines go to
www.experimentalfuelinjection.com.
1. zero maintenance on fuel side. no carbs to jet. no carbs to
maintain, no carbs period
2. direct port fuel injection insures all cylinders are getting the
same amount of fuel
3. single throttle body means that all cylinders are breathing
equally. No Balancing carbs
4. 55amp alternator stock with all engines
5. In flight fuel adjustments via a knob located on your gage pod.
Lean your aircraft out for cruise.
Prices on kits for the 912 start at 6K, 914 at 10K, overhauled 914's
with fuel injection 15K
Jason 661 428-1850
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| Subject: | Re: New kitfox builder |
Welcome Chris!
I expect you to be flying in a couple of weeks! Enjoy the building process.
--------
Tony Partain
Partain Transport Company
Bend Oregon
http://www.partaintransport.com
RV7 IO360 CS 116WT
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142088#142088
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| Subject: | Re: New kitfox builder |
Congrats on the second stage of building. There will be good and bad times.
Mostly good. Sometimes you have to walk away for awhile. The main thing is
do not set a time to get done. That can be depressing. Just work on it when
you can, involve family if they are there. Get it done when you get it done.
Wait to get electronics and motor until the last second so you get the
latest and greatest. Very important. The people in this group are for the
most part very smart :-) Do not be afraid to ask ANYTHING. Have fun.
Albert Smith
MudLake, Idaho
5 TD NSI, Cap
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Kitfox Group: I am a Avid Builder learning a lot from the kitfox group
discussions. Are avid builders welcome as we really are much the same
aircraft but do not have the same great support system as the kitfox people.
Harry Cieslar, Ontario, Canada , Avid Magnum Project
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| Subject: | Re: Avid Builder |
Harry sez:
>Kitfox Group: I am a Avid Builder learning a lot from the kitfox
>group discussions. Are avid builders welcome as we really are much
>the same aircraft but do not have the same great support system as
>the kitfox people.
>Harry Cieslar, Ontario, Canada , Avid Magnum Project
Absolutely you are welcome, Harry. Avids and Kitfoxes have a common
ancestor (that wasn't called "Kitfox" :-)
Mike G.
Kitfox List Admin
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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Harry,
Welcome to the list, you are an important new member. Not only will you get
good help, stories and information but you will be able to help others with
the experience you will and have gained.
John Oakley
Model 4 speedster
912ul cap
Over 1100 hours in kitfox's
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harry Cieslar
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:55 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid Builder
Kitfox Group: I am a Avid Builder learning a lot from the kitfox group
discussions. Are avid builders welcome as we really are much the same
aircraft but do not have the same great support system as the kitfox people.
Harry Cieslar, Ontario, Canada , Avid Magnum Project
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| Subject: | New kitfox builder |
Albert,
How is your project going, are you flying, and how are your parents, I miss
them coming into my hobby shop.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A Smith
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New kitfox builder
Congrats on the second stage of building. There will be good and bad times.
Mostly good. Sometimes you have to walk away for awhile. The main thing is
do not set a time to get done. That can be depressing. Just work on it when
you can, involve family if they are there. Get it done when you get it done.
Wait to get electronics and motor until the last second so you get the
latest and greatest. Very important. The people in this group are for the
most part very smart :-) Do not be afraid to ask ANYTHING. Have fun.
Albert Smith
MudLake, Idaho
5 TD NSI, Cap
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