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1. 02:32 AM - Re: Need Opinions! (dave)
2. 02:34 AM - Re: Stalls and Spins (dave)
3. 02:41 AM - Re: uncoordinated turns (dave)
4. 07:50 AM - Re: NSI turbo to non turbo (Rick)
5. 08:04 AM - Re: Need Opinions! (Napier, Mark)
6. 09:43 AM - Re: Need Opinions! (wingnut)
7. 09:43 AM - Re: [!! SPAM] S5 NSI Inverted? Deke (Perkins, Mike)
8. 10:41 AM - Landing short (again) - Was Need Opinions! (Marco Menezes)
9. 10:44 AM - Re: Need Opinions! (kitfoxmike)
10. 11:28 AM - Re: Landing short (again) - Was Need Opinions! (kitfoxmike)
11. 06:30 PM - Re: NSI turbo to non turbo(no info in this mail) (A Smith)
12. 10:07 PM - Re: uncoordinated turns (rudderdancer)
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| Subject: | Re: Need Opinions! |
> Do you have any places to land near your runway that you can use in an emergency?
700 ft doesn't leave much room to get back down if the motor burps on takeoff.
I'm in a similar boat; About 1400 ft but with 30ft trees on both ends. Knowing
that I can land at that cow pasture off the end of the runway adds alot
to my comfort factor.
I can clear 50 foot obstacle in 500 feet of runway solo. Dual I would need about
200 to 300 to break ground alone plus another 300 to 400 to clear a 50 foot
obstacle and that is leaving no room for error.
Landing over 50' obstacle I can manage 1000' at best nut no margin for error.
all these figures are based from 1000 ASL on standard day, stir in some density
altitude and you will add more space required.
Always leave your self an out !!
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| Subject: | Re: Stalls and Spins |
another plane , not a Kitfox but a Titan dives from 30 feet...........
STALL? most likely........
http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2007/11/plane_crash_pilot_identified.html
Witnesses saw Henriksen's Titan Tornado plane take off from McMinnville Municipal
Airport just before 4 p.m. It climbed 30 feet into the air before diving nose-first
to the ground,
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| Subject: | Re: uncoordinated turns |
> I have a model II and I've been working to regain my skills out at a local dry
lake. I too have noticed the different yaw and coordination traits of the Kitfox.
Jack, it sound like your are just noticing more effort that you might be used
to of co-ordinating your feet and hands. Your Kitfox 2 has no aileron differential
built in so you will be more prone to more adverse yaw.
It is likely very manageable as you learn to fly it. I think John Mc Bean might
sell a kit to make aileron differential on your Model 2. Model IV up had
it already built in and makes a better flying Kitfox in my opinion.
That being said the Kitfox 2 is a far superior flying plane to many other brands
that are very popular. adding more vert stab might help but I doubt it will
do a whole lot for you alone.
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| Subject: | NSI turbo to non turbo |
If you are interested I have several EA-81 Turbo blocks and many engine
parts. Deke is absolutely correct about the two similar but very
different blocks. The lifter bores are also sleeved in the turbo block
and different push rods. Give me a private email and or call. I went
through quite a evolution with my turbo EA-81. IMHO the weakest link is
the valves in the turbo set up. I can also sent you some pics. Good
luck.
Rick
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI turbo to non turbo
Even though they're both EA81 engine blocks, there are many differences,
including pistons, and lifters. The turbo has lower compression pistons
and hydraulic lifters, vs the normal asp has solid lifters and high
compression pistons. Cam is also different as well as the pan, and
several other things.
Making a swap might be the better way to go.
I'm not sure what you mean by the readers digest version, or did you
mean condensed? Did you attach something? I received nothing here.
Deke
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From: A Smith <mailto:kitfox@ida.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI turbo to non turbo
Here is the readers digest version. I think that with the weight and
drag reduction of removing the turbo there will not be that much
reduction if any in performance. So I am going out to the group for
input on how and what I will need to do. Or find some one that wants to
swap all or part of the install.
Albert
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| Subject: | Re: Need Opinions! |
The main problem with that 700ft is landing, not taking off. With 20
deg. of flap clearing the fence is no problem. The Kitfox will land
that short but the wind and approach speed has to be nailed to do it.
It's very easy to put your wheels down a little too fast and not be able
to stop floating/bouncing and eat up a short strip. Then that 4 foot
fence is waiting for you on the other end if you don't go-around quick
enough.
My experience is that I can bring it in at 50 mph with flaps and power;
yank the power off and drop it down hard and brake to a stop in under
300ft. I can't do it repeatedly. It's easy to float. I don't think I
could currently land into a 700ft with 100% confidence and certainly not
with a passenger.
Problem is our strip is 2400 usable with an uphill portion to it. It
works well as I can just slip down to the bottom of it and 3-point land
and then gravity does the rest. The trees nicely block cross winds as
well. It does make me lazy so I have to practice at other strips to
keep current. Others may have better technique.
FWIW,
Mark Napier
N246DR KFIII 582
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Time: 03:47:30 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Need Opinions!
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Do you have any places to land near your runway that you can use in an
emergency?
700 ft doesn't leave much room to get back down if the motor burps on
takeoff.
I'm in a similar boat; About 1400 ft but with 30ft trees on both ends.
Knowing
that I can land at that cow pasture off the end of the runway adds alot
to
my comfort factor.
> the best runway I can arrange is going to only be about 700. However,
I wont
have any obstacles on either end to clear except a 4 fence. The terrain
is flat
and sparsely populated.
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Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Need Opinions! |
I agree as long as the motor is running. If you're motor quits 50ft off the ground
when you're 500ft down a 700ft runway then you're going to need some options.
Getting back down to the runway you just left won't be one of them.
> The main problem with that 700ft is landing, not taking off
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Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: [!! SPAM] S5 NSI Inverted? Deke |
I'm really curious why anyone would want to teach themselves advanced
aerobatics. Before aerobatics was developed, pilots had to teach
themselves because there was no one to teach them. But many of them paid
dearly for it. Those that survived the best learned from others who'd
succeeded. Isn't that still a good idea today? Falling out of a maneuver
and recovering incorrectly can cause the aircraft structural damage with
perhaps catastrophic consequences. That's the biggest part of learning
aerobatics - to learn to recover gracefully, without bending anything.
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| Subject: | Landing short (again) - Was Need Opinions! |
There's always the intentional ground-loop at the end of a hot rollout, just before
you get to the fence/trees/ cow or whatever. Scary but effective. Whoa guys
. . . I'm just kidding. ;-)
do not archive
"Napier, Mark" <Mark.Napier@sciatl.com> wrote:
The main problem with that 700ft is landing, not taking off. With 20
deg. of flap clearing the fence is no problem. The Kitfox will land
that short but the wind and approach speed has to be nailed to do it.
It's very easy to put your wheels down a little too fast and not be able
to stop floating/bouncing and eat up a short strip. Then that 4 foot
fence is waiting for you on the other end if you don't go-around quick
enough.
My experience is that I can bring it in at 50 mph with flaps and power;
yank the power off and drop it down hard and brake to a stop in under
300ft. I can't do it repeatedly. It's easy to float. I don't think I
could currently land into a 700ft with 100% confidence and certainly not
with a passenger.
Problem is our strip is 2400 usable with an uphill portion to it. It
works well as I can just slip down to the bottom of it and 3-point land
and then gravity does the rest. The trees nicely block cross winds as
well. It does make me lazy so I have to practice at other strips to
keep current. Others may have better technique.
FWIW,
Mark Napier
N246DR KFIII 582
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Time: 03:47:30 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Need Opinions!
From: "wingnut"
Do you have any places to land near your runway that you can use in an
emergency?
700 ft doesn't leave much room to get back down if the motor burps on
takeoff.
I'm in a similar boat; About 1400 ft but with 30ft trees on both ends.
Knowing
that I can land at that cow pasture off the end of the runway adds alot
to
my comfort factor.
> the best runway I can arrange is going to only be about 700. However,
I wont
have any obstacles on either end to clear except a 4 fence. The terrain
is flat
and sparsely populated.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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Marco Menezes
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| Subject: | Re: Need Opinions! |
Just to let you know. I just did the figuring and found that I can do a stop and
go right at 700ft. That is with calm winds, half tanks, solo. My field elevation
is right at 2000ft. If I had a 700ft runway, I would be a little worried.
Now another food for thought. I have over 1000hrs in my fox, over 6000 landings.
I'm just starting to feel comfortable with landing in rough landing areas,
meaning short, lots of trees, no outs. Maybe not. I still pucker.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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| Subject: | Re: Landing short (again) - Was Need Opinions! |
You mean like, stomp on the left rudder-brake, and when it's headed the other way,
hit the power. Woooooha! ya baby!
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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| Subject: | Re: NSI turbo to non turbo(no info in this mail) |
Do not archive
Rick
I would take any info and pics you have. Are you running the turbo now?
I do not have your email or phone.
Albert Smith
kitfow@ida.net
5TD, NSI turbo, CAP
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| Subject: | Re: uncoordinated turns |
Kitfoxmike, MikeG, and Dave,
Thanks for the replies. Attached is a picture of a Maule M-5 with the type
of vertical I was referring to.
By the way, I went out to the dry lake again this afternoon for practice.
It's getting a bit better each time. Even the landings went better. The fox
really does get off the ground quickly and climbs out steeply.
Regards,
Jack
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