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0. 12:15 AM - Value of the List... (Matt Dralle)
1. 03:08 AM - Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (dave)
2. 04:49 AM - Re: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (Michel Verheughe)
3. 05:35 AM - Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (fox5flyer)
4. 05:43 AM - Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (dave)
5. 05:45 AM - Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (dave)
6. 06:06 AM - Cabin Heater question (Tom Jones)
7. 06:12 AM - Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (Tom Jones)
8. 06:41 AM - Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (wingnut)
9. 06:50 AM - Re: Cabin Heater question (dave)
10. 07:14 AM - Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
11. 07:19 AM - Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (floran higgins)
12. 08:06 AM - New Topics (was: Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents) (Michael Gibbs)
13. 08:32 AM - Recent Kitfox Article in the EAA Magazine (Patrick Best)
14. 08:44 AM - N926JB for Sale (Todd Leiss)
15. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents ()
16. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: Cabin Heater question (John May)
17. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (Lowell Fitt)
18. 09:35 AM - Re: Recent Kitfox Article in the EAA Magazine (Jose M. Toro)
19. 09:54 AM - Re: Recent Kitfox Article in the EAA Magazine (Lynn Matteson)
20. 09:56 AM - Re: Cabin Heater question (dave)
21. 10:01 AM - New Topics (was: Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " (dave)
22. 10:14 AM - Re: Re: Cabin Heater question (Lynn Matteson)
23. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: uncoordinated turns (Noel Loveys)
24. 11:48 AM - Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (fox5flyer)
25. 12:54 PM - Re: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (Noel Loveys)
26. 01:57 PM - Re: Cabin Heater question (Noel Loveys)
27. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: uncoordinated turns (Clint Bazzill)
28. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (John W. Hart)
29. 03:05 PM - Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (Clint Bazzill)
30. 06:38 PM - Re: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
31. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
32. 09:10 PM - Re: New Topics (was: Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " (Michael Gibbs)
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| Subject: | Value of the List... |
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| Subject: | Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents |
http://www.aviationfeeds.com/feeds/accident.py?ev_id 071108X01765&key=1
NTSB Identification: MIA07CA142.
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact Records
Management Division
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Thursday, September 06, 2007 in Cowen, WV
Aircraft: Furey Kitfox IV, registration: N93FD
Injuries: 1 Minor.
The pilot stated that while at a cruising altitude of about 1,000 feet above ground,
a large bird impacted the airplane's wooden propeller, causing it to separate.
At the time the airplane was flying at about 110 mph. The pilot made a
force landing in a field with power lines and fences. During the landing roll,
the airplane impacted a fence. The airplane then traveled down an embankment
and flipped over before coming to a stop. The pilot stated there were no mechanical
failures or malfunctions to the airplane or any of its systems prior to
the accident.
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents |
I didn't get a Google Alert on that one, Dave. Probably because the
press didn't get involved and it may be just as well.
This is the first bird strike I read about with a Kitfox. Does anyone
know of any other? Is it a real danger? I was under the impression that
we fly too slow for, at least, big birds. Would reducing speed be a
good idea when birds are observed in the area?
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents |
We had a member who a few years ago made a forced landing because of fire.
The airplane ended up on it's back and was subsequently destroyed by fire,
but the pilot escaped unhurt.
During the investigation, the residue of feathers was found in the engine
compartment and it was found that the impact broke off the electric primer
control that allowed pressurized fuel to escape and ignite into the
compartment. That's how I recall it anyway. If anyone else can add to it,
please do.
I was very surprised that the bird was able to get past the prop hub, but it
apparently did.
Deke Morisse
S5/Northeast Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents
>
> I didn't get a Google Alert on that one, Dave. Probably because the press
> didn't get involved and it may be just as well.
> This is the first bird strike I read about with a Kitfox. Does anyone know
> of any other? Is it a real danger? I was under the impression that we fly
> too slow for, at least, big birds. Would reducing speed be a good idea
> when birds are observed in the area?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents |
Michel , we have extensive bird activity in my area ( SW ontario, Canada) now for
a month or so and likely will be for a while yet. I do a fair bit of flying
and seagulls are everywhere. Alot of Canada Geese too but I find the seagulls
more frequent. I just fly through them when i come across them as I figure
they can turn quicker than me and likely they are more afraid of a larger "bird"
. I have not hit one yet and hopefully will not.
That news though just shows you why forced approach training is a real attribute
in the event of an emergency requiring a forced landing.
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents |
Are we suppose to create a "new topic" on response to other posts?
I am not sure anymore, but I think that responses should be keep under the topic
that it relates too rather than starting a new one?
Dave < - dazed and confused" :)
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
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| Subject: | Cabin Heater question |
I am ready to build a heater for my Classic 4. I have been looking through the
archives and the only kitfox muffler heater pictures I found show the shroud
and outlet attached to the front of the muffler. Am I just confused when looking
at the pictures? It seems to me that the shroud would not catch any air flow
to push the hot air through the scat duct in that location.
The engine is a 503 Rotax so a hot water heater is not an option. I have also
been thinking about attaching the scat duct to the hot air exit on the engine
fan cowl. I would have to do some butchering to the fan cowling though, so am
leaning toward the exhaust system.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents |
> During the investigation, the residue of feathers was found in the engine
> compartment and it was found that the impact broke off the electric primer
> control that allowed pressurized fuel to escape and ignite into the
> compartment. That's how I recall it anyway. If anyone else can add to it,
> please do.
Deke, that is the way I remember the demise of the "Purple Monster". I recall
that the pilot had an encounter with an eagle a while before that. The eagle
hit the prop and went through it and hit the windshield with no damage...to the
prop or windshield. I think it was a Warp Drive prop. Do not archive
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents |
Wow. I guess the eagle got the last laugh on that one.
> Deke, that is the way I remember the demise of the "Purple Monster". I recall
that the pilot had an encounter with an eagle a while before that. The eagle
hit the prop and went through it and hit the windshield with no damage...to the
prop or windshield. I think it was a Warp Drive prop. Do not archive
Do not archive
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Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heater question |
Tom,
I have seen guys take hot air from outlet on engine ( 503) and duct it into
the cockpit. Personally I have not done this as I would not want to alter the
cooling or restrict it in anyway but the Challenger guys have had good luck
with it .
I have made some hot air collection devices from the Muffler for both carb heat
and cabin heat with great success. You have to be able to not only collect
the heated air from the heat muff but also provide a source of air for ram pressure
PLUS the real important part is to slow the air down so that you get heated
air and not just cool air blowing in.
Mine on my Kitfox IV 582 works well, on a day with OAT 15F the cabin will
get to about 60 F . on a 35F day I can see temps inside of 75F plus.
It goes with out saying that when you collect heated air from an exhaust source
that there is a potential for carbon monoxide so make sure you have a detector
in place.
Remind me if i forget to get you a picture but it might be in the archive here
already. I will be making a new one soon to go on the tuned pipes I have been
making for the last few months. Should not be an issue to get the same results
that I got with the stock rotax muffllers.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146194#146194
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| Subject: | Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents |
The guy you are talking about lives about 20 miles from me and I talked to
him about it. The remains of the bird were back behind the engine as I rem
ember. That was in a Kitfox 4 with a Subaru engine. He later went on to b
uild a Kitfox 5 and about a year ago the hangar he was keeping it in caught
fire and burned that one up. Jim Chuk> From: fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> To:
kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Bird Strike, was News ale
rts "Kitfox " accidents> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:33:55 -0500> > --> Kitfo
x-List message posted by: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>> > We had a
member who a few years ago made a forced landing because of fire. > The ai
rplane ended up on it's back and was subsequently destroyed by fire, > but
the pilot escaped unhurt.> During the investigation, the residue of feather
s was found in the engine > compartment and it was found that the impact br
oke off the electric primer > control that allowed pressurized fuel to esca
pe and ignite into the > compartment. That's how I recall it anyway. If any
one else can add to it, > please do.> I was very surprised that the bird wa
s able to get past the prop hub, but it > apparently did.> Deke Morisse> S5
/Northeast Michigan> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michel Verheug
he" <michel@online.no>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>> Sent: Thursday, No
vember 15, 2007 7:49 AM> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: News alerts "Kitfox
hel@online.no>> >> > I didn't get a Google Alert on that one, Dave. Probabl
y because the press > > didn't get involved and it may be just as well.> >
This is the first bird strike I read about with a Kitfox. Does anyone know
> > of any other? Is it a real danger? I was under the impression that we f
ly > > too slow for, at least, big birds. Would reducing speed be a good id
ea > > when birds are observed in the area?> >> > Cheers,> > Michel Verheug
========================> _
======================> > >
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ilnews
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| Subject: | Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents |
Many years ago while crop spraying with a super cub, I picked up a duck in
the cowl.
It didn't do any damage but the smell of melting feathers was pretty bad.
Floran Higgins
Helena Mt
Speedster
912ULS
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents
>
> We had a member who a few years ago made a forced landing because of fire.
> The airplane ended up on it's back and was subsequently destroyed by fire,
> but the pilot escaped unhurt.
> During the investigation, the residue of feathers was found in the engine
> compartment and it was found that the impact broke off the electric primer
> control that allowed pressurized fuel to escape and ignite into the
> compartment. That's how I recall it anyway. If anyone else can add to
> it, please do.
> I was very surprised that the bird was able to get past the prop hub, but
> it apparently did.
> Deke Morisse
> S5/Northeast Michigan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents
>
>
>>
>> I didn't get a Google Alert on that one, Dave. Probably because the press
>> didn't get involved and it may be just as well.
>> This is the first bird strike I read about with a Kitfox. Does anyone
>> know of any other? Is it a real danger? I was under the impression that
>> we fly too slow for, at least, big birds. Would reducing speed be a good
>> idea when birds are observed in the area?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michel Verheughe
>> Norway
>> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox |
" accidents)
Dave sez:
>Are we suppose to create a "new topic" on response to other posts?
Absolutely! If you want to change the topic, please help the rest of
us out by changing the subject line to something appropriate.
Mike G.
Kitfox List Administrator
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Recent Kitfox Article in the EAA Magazine |
Hi Everyone;
I've been watching this list for a while, still considering the
Kitfox... still need to sit in one!
Fantastic article in the EAA Magazine Sport Pilot this month about one
man's journey to complete a half-finished mark IV with a Jabiru. He
even made reference to this list.
I wish I could remember the gentleman's name off-hand, but alas I
cannot, and the magazine is not in front of me. Whoever you are on this
list.. Your writing style was brilliant and it held me captive! Those
kinds of articles end far too soon.
Thanks!
-Patrick Best
Toronto
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All,
I am loosing my hanger at the end of the month. So, I'm considering selling my
Model IV Speedster. Total time ~ 230 hours.
Built 1992-1995 in Felsmere Florida by Mr Joseph Bender (Deceased). I purchased
it in 2005 from Mrs. Bender.
Rotax 912 UL (80 Horsepower), New GSC Prop (30 Hrs), VFR Instruments, Terra Com
& Encoding Transponder.
I Have the tow bar and all bracing & lights for towing. I Also have the wheel
pants (currently removed, but I can have them on in 30 min.)
Photo Attached.
Annual Condition Inspection due January 2008.
$25,000.00 Firm by 26 November. If I have to find another place to store it, I
may as well keep it.
Todd Leiss
Merritt Island, Florida
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| Subject: | Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents |
From: Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents
> During the investigation, the residue of feathers was found in the engine
> compartment and it was found that the impact broke off the electric primer
> control that allowed pressurized fuel to escape and ignite into the
> compartment. That's how I recall it anyway. If anyone else can add to it,
> please do.
Deke, that is the way I remember the demise of the "Purple Monster". I recall
that the pilot had an encounter with an eagle a while before that. The eagle
hit the prop and went through it and hit the windshield with no damage...to the
prop or windshield. I think it was a Warp Drive prop. Do not archive
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heater question |
Let the pot scrubber discussion begin.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: dave <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cabin Heater question
Tom,
I have seen guys take hot air from outlet on engine ( 503) and duct it into
the cockpit. Personally I have not done this as I would not want to alter the
cooling or restrict it in anyway but the Challenger guys have had good luck
with it .
I have made some hot air collection devices from the Muffler for both carb heat
and cabin heat with great success. You have to be able to not only collect
the heated air from the heat muff but also provide a source of air for ram pressure
PLUS the real important part is to slow the air down so that you get heated
air and not just cool air blowing in.
Mine on my Kitfox IV 582 works well, on a day with OAT 15F the cabin will
get to about 60 F . on a 35F day I can see temps inside of 75F plus
It goes with out saying that when you collect heated air from an exhaust source
that there is a potential for carbon monoxide so make sure you have a detector
in place.
Remind me if i forget to get you a picture but it might be in the archive here
already. I will be making a new one soon to go on the tuned pipes I have been
making for the last few months. Should not be an issue to get the same results
that I got with the stock rotax muffllers.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146194#146194
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| Subject: | Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents |
Michel,
Can't answer your question, but I nearly flew into what appears to be a Bald
Eagle apprpachoing a lake in Idaho a couple of years ago and there is a
short video clip on the HighWing LLC website go to
http://highwingllc.com/videoarchivepages/birdstrike.html
The bird's reaction to the "big bird" is typical as I understand.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents
>
> I didn't get a Google Alert on that one, Dave. Probably because the press
> didn't get involved and it may be just as well.
> This is the first bird strike I read about with a Kitfox. Does anyone know
> of any other? Is it a real danger? I was under the impression that we fly
> too slow for, at least, big birds. Would reducing speed be a good idea
> when birds are observed in the area?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Recent Kitfox Article in the EAA Magazine |
Patrick:=0A=0ALynn Matteson is his name. We are lucky to have his valuable
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| Subject: | Re: Recent Kitfox Article in the EAA Magazine |
The gentleman's (?) name is Lynn Matteson, and he sends his thanks
for your kind words. The article would have been longer, but the
editor had to keep it to a reasonable length, or the author would
have rambled on forever...he can do that. : )
Seriously, Patrick, thanks for the kind words. You should email:
dave@cfisher.com as he lives in lower/western Ontario, and he'd
probably let you sit in his Kitfox..probably take you up in it too.
I'd take you up in mine if you ever got over this way...lower Michigan.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/420+ hrs
do not archive
On Nov 15, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Patrick Best wrote:
> Hi Everyone;
>
> I've been watching this list for a while, still considering the
> Kitfox still need to sit in one!
>
> Fantastic article in the EAA Magazine Sport Pilot this month about
> one man's journey to complete a half-finished mark IV with a
> Jabiru. He even made reference to this list.
>
> I wish I could remember the gentleman's name off-hand, but alas I
> cannot, and the magazine is not in front of me. Whoever you are on
> this list.. Your writing style was brilliant and it held me
> captive! Those kinds of articles end far too soon.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Patrick Best
> Toronto
>
>
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
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> Let the pot scrubber discussion begin.
They work on the ones i built VERY WELL !!
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| Subject: | Re: New Topics (was: Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox |
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So Mike , let me get this straight.....
If the topic news alert -- bird strike -- When we reply to that do we;
1 -- Click reply
or -
2. Start a new topic ?
Number 1 makes more sense to keep each thread on topic or you just get a bunch
of new topics on the SAME topic?
I have switched to the web forum format from email and i like it alot better.
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You took the words right out of my fingertips, John!
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/420+ hrs
do not archive
On Nov 15, 2007, at 12:01 PM, John May wrote:
>
> Let the pot scrubber discussion begin.
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Tom,
>
> I have seen guys take hot air from outlet on engine ( 503) and
> duct it into the cockpit. Personally I have not done this as I
> would not want to alter the cooling or restrict it in anyway but
> the Challenger guys have had good luck with it .
>
> I have made some hot air collection devices from the Muffler for
> both carb heat and cabin heat with great success. You have to be
> able to not only collect the heated air from the heat muff but also
> provide a source of air for ram pressure PLUS the real important
> part is to slow the air down so that you get heated air and not
> just cool air blowing in.
>
> Mine on my Kitfox IV 582 works well, on a day with OAT 15F
> the cabin will get to about 60 F . on a 35F day I can see temps
> inside of 75F plus
>
> It goes with out saying that when you collect heated air from an
> exhaust source that there is a potential for carbon monoxide so
> make sure you have a detector in place.
>
> Remind me if i forget to get you a picture but it might be in the
> archive here already. I will be making a new one soon to go on
> the tuned pipes I have been making for the last few months. Should
> not be an issue to get the same results that I got with the stock
> rotax muffllers.
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146194#146194
>
>
> [The entire original message is not included]
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: uncoordinated turns |
If you put as much of a blended strake as the Maule on your plane you may
want to consider also putting an offset into your vertical stab and the
strake to help counteract the rotation of the propeller.
Reminds me of an older Stinson.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> rudderdancer
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:37 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: uncoordinated turns
>
>
>
> Kitfoxmike, MikeG, and Dave,
>
> Thanks for the replies. Attached is a picture of a
> Maule M-5 with the type of vertical I was referring to.
> By the way, I went out to the dry lake again this
> afternoon for practice. It's getting a bit better each time.
> Even the landings went better. The fox really does get off
> the ground quickly and climbs out steeply.
>
> Regards,
> Jack
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145594#145594
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/maule_m_5_485.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents |
Thanks for digging that out Tom. A picture is worth a thousand words.
Deke
S5, NE Michigan
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <josandt@verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox "
accidents
> From: Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
> Date: 2007/11/15 Thu AM 08:11:53 CST
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents
>
>
>
>> During the investigation, the residue of feathers was found in the engine
>> compartment and it was found that the impact broke off the electric
>> primer
>> control that allowed pressurized fuel to escape and ignite into the
>> compartment. That's how I recall it anyway. If anyone else can add to it,
>> please do.
>
>
> Deke, that is the way I remember the demise of the "Purple Monster". I
> recall that the pilot had an encounter with an eagle a while before that.
> The eagle hit the prop and went through it and hit the windshield with no
> damage...to the prop or windshield. I think it was a Warp Drive prop. Do
> not archive
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV, Phase one
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146189#146189
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents |
I've had seagulls look inside the plane while flying. That's as close as is
comfortable.
Noel
Do not archive.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:19 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents
>
>
>
> I didn't get a Google Alert on that one, Dave. Probably because the
> press didn't get involved and it may be just as well.
> This is the first bird strike I read about with a Kitfox. Does anyone
> know of any other? Is it a real danger? I was under the
> impression that
> we fly too slow for, at least, big birds. Would reducing speed be a
> good idea when birds are observed in the area?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Cabin Heater question |
I have seen heater hoses connected to the shroud on 503. A fitting was made
to cover the exhaust of the shroud and divert some of the hot air into the
plane ( a QCU Challenger... sorry) system was effective, simple and
light... Just keep an eye on your CHT.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 10:36 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Cabin Heater question
>
>
>
> I am ready to build a heater for my Classic 4. I have been
> looking through the archives and the only kitfox muffler
> heater pictures I found show the shroud and outlet attached
> to the front of the muffler. Am I just confused when looking
> at the pictures? It seems to me that the shroud would not
> catch any air flow to push the hot air through the scat duct
> in that location.
>
> The engine is a 503 Rotax so a hot water heater is not an
> option. I have also been thinking about attaching the scat
> duct to the hot air exit on the engine fan cowl. I would
> have to do some butchering to the fan cowling though, so am
> leaning toward the exhaust system.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV, Phase one
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146187#146187
>
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| Subject: | Re: uncoordinated turns |
Yea, those 582's sure do put out a lot of torque.> From: noelloveys@yahoo.c
a> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: uncoordinat
ed turns> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:17:16 -0330> > --> Kitfox-List message
posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>> > If you put as much of a b
lended strake as the Maule on your plane you may> want to consider also put
ting an offset into your vertical stab and the> strake to help counteract t
he rotation of the propeller.> > Reminds me of an older Stinson.> > Noel> >
> > > -----Original Message-----> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matroni
cs.com > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > >
rudderdancer> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:37 AM> > To: kitfox-lis
t@matronics.com> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: uncoordinated turns> > > > > >
> > Kitfoxmike, MikeG, and Dave,> > > > Thanks for the replies. Attached is
a picture of a > > Maule M-5 with the type of vertical I was referring to.
> > By the way, I went out to the dry lake again this > > afternoon for pra
ctice. It's getting a bit better each time. > > Even the landings went bett
er. The fox really does get off > > the ground quickly and climbs out steep
ly.> > > > Regards,> > Jack> > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here:
> > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145594#145594> > > >
> > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/maule_m
==================> > >
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| Subject: | Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents |
Large birds (anything that weighs over a pound) can be a serious problem.
The faster the aircraft, the more damage they can do.
FWIW, here in Oklahoma (and in Texas as well), there are a lot of turkey
buzzards. Several years ago (30
plus), I was the pilot of a UH-1 helicopter at Ft. Hood, Texas. While in a
40 degree bank to the left and looking at the ground out the left side at
about 80 knots, the right front windshield was impacted by a buzzard. From
personal experience, I can attest that a turkey buzzard is about 10 pounds
of very smelly scat covered with black feathers, and has a bright red head.
I got several small lacerations from that thing landing in my lap, and
thankfully I was flying with a copilot that was on the controls at the time
of impact. I can assure you that I avoid any bird that I can see if
possible since then.
John Hart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:43 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents
Michel , we have extensive bird activity in my area ( SW ontario, Canada)
now for a month or so and likely will be for a while yet. I do a fair bit
of flying and seagulls are everywhere. Alot of Canada Geese too but I find
the seagulls more frequent. I just fly through them when i come across them
as I figure they can turn quicker than me and likely they are more afraid
of a larger "bird" . I have not hit one yet and hopefully will not.
That news though just shows you why forced approach training is a real
attribute in the event of an emergency requiring a forced landing.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents |
I have't hit any birds yet. I fly out of Half Moon Bay and we sure do have
a lot of birds. When they hear me or see me they dive for cover. Some ti
mes I see thousands at a time. Clint> From: cliffh@outdrs.net> To: kitfox
-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bird Strike, was News alerts
"Kitfox " accidents> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:16:35 -0700> > --> Kitfox-L
ist message posted by: "floran higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>> > Many years a
go while crop spraying with a super cub, I picked up a duck in > the cowl.>
It didn't do any damage but the smell of melting feathers was pretty bad.>
> Floran Higgins> Helena Mt> Speedster> 912ULS> ----- Original Message ---
-- > From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>> To: <kitfox-list@matronic
s.com>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 AM> Subject: Kitfox-List: Bi
rd Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents> > > > --> Kitfox-List messa
ge posted by: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>> >> > We had a member w
ho a few years ago made a forced landing because of fire. > > The airplane
ended up on it's back and was subsequently destroyed by fire, > > but the p
ilot escaped unhurt.> > During the investigation, the residue of feathers w
as found in the engine > > compartment and it was found that the impact bro
ke off the electric primer > > control that allowed pressurized fuel to esc
ape and ignite into the > > compartment. That's how I recall it anyway. If
anyone else can add to > > it, please do.> > I was very surprised that the
bird was able to get past the prop hub, but > > it apparently did.> > Deke
Morisse> > S5/Northeast Michigan> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > Fro
m: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:49 AM> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:
Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents> >> >> >> --> Kitfox-List message poste
d by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>> >>> >> I didn't get a Google Ale
rt on that one, Dave. Probably because the press > >> didn't get involved a
nd it may be just as well.> >> This is the first bird strike I read about w
ith a Kitfox. Does anyone > >> know of any other? Is it a real danger? I wa
s under the impression that > >> we fly too slow for, at least, big birds.
Would reducing speed be a good > >> idea when birds are observed in the are
a?> >>> >> Cheers,> >> Michel Verheughe> >> Norway> >> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 22
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=================> > >
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| Subject: | Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents |
several times in my old plane I could chase Canadian gees so hard they
would fly down into wooded beaver flooding to get away from me. it took some hard
turns and a good eye. but moor times than not I would loose them before that
would happen mal
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| Subject: | Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox " accidents |
I think you both are talking about two different accidents. The one I ment
ioned happened to Howard Firm from Virginia Mn in a Kitfos 4. He told me
about finding the bird (I think a seagull) lodged behind the engine. Jim C
huk, Avid MK IV, Chisholm Mn> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:51:31 -0600> From
: josandt@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Bird Strike, was News
alerts "Kitfox " accidents> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > From: Tom Jone
s <nahsikhs@elltel.net>> Date: 2007/11/15 Thu AM 08:11:53 CST> To: kitfox-l
ist@matronics.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "
khs@elltel.net>> > > > During the investigation, the residue of feathers wa
s found in the engine > > compartment and it was found that the impact brok
e off the electric primer > > control that allowed pressurized fuel to esca
pe and ignite into the > > compartment. That's how I recall it anyway. If a
nyone else can add to it, > > please do. > > > Deke, that is the way I reme
mber the demise of the "Purple Monster". I recall that the pilot had an enc
ounter with an eagle a while before that. The eagle hit the prop and went t
hrough it and hit the windshield with no damage...to the prop or windshield
. I think it was a Warp Drive prop. Do not archive> > --------> Tom Jones>
Classic IV, Phase one> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp> Ellensburg, WA> >
> > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopi
c.php?p=146189#146189> > > > > > >
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| Subject: | Re: New Topics (was: Re: Bird Strike, was News alerts "Kitfox |
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Dave sez:
>So Mike , let me get this straight.....
>If the topic news alert -- bird strike -- When we reply to that do we;
>1 -- Click reply
> or -
>2. Start a new topic ?
>
>Number 1 makes more sense to keep each thread on topic or you just
>get a bunch of new topics on the SAME topic?
It's a matter of judgement, Dave. If you think that what you want to
post relates to the original topic (what the subject line says), a
reply is fine. If the topic was bird strikes and you want to tell a
story you were reminded of about the oil filter on your old uncle
Joe's Kitfox, that's probably a new topic.
Mike G.
Kitfox List Administrator
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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