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1. 12:25 AM - Re: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (Michel Verheughe)
2. 12:31 AM - Re: Re: uncoordinated turns (Michel Verheughe)
3. 12:35 AM - Re: Aerocarb ACV-C04 (Michel Verheughe)
4. 02:49 AM - Re: Re: uncoordinated turns (JC Propeller Design)
5. 04:35 AM - Re: transponder kt76 tso (Jay & Beverly)
6. 05:07 AM - Re: Power Diagram for Review (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
7. 05:18 AM - Re: Power Diagram for Review (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
8. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: uncoordinated turns (Michel Verheughe)
9. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: Power Diagram for Review (Guy Buchanan)
10. 06:38 AM - Re: Power Diagram for Review (Noel Loveys)
11. 06:51 AM - Re: Power Diagram for Review (Noel Loveys)
12. 08:17 AM - Re: Aerocarb ACV-C04 (Clint Bazzill)
13. 11:50 AM - Re: Power Diagram for Review (Noel Loveys)
14. 12:12 PM - Re: transponder kt76 tso (Noel Loveys)
15. 12:12 PM - engine mount (wannafly)
16. 12:17 PM - Re: Power Diagram for Review (darinh)
17. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: uncoordinated turns (Noel Loveys)
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| Subject: | Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents |
On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:42 PM, dave wrote:
> Michel , we have extensive bird activity in my area
On Nov 15, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> I nearly flew into what appears to be a Bald Eagle apprpachoing a lake
> in Idaho
Thank you Dave and Lowell. I will be more on the look out for those
fellows in the future.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: uncoordinated turns |
On Nov 16, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> You didn't notice yourself pressing the right pedal at cruise?
Here is something I never understood. When I turn left, I feel the
plane in a very coordinated attitude. I don't have to look, I know that
the ball is in the center. But when I turn right, I am seldom well
coordinated. Usually, I need to entirely remove my foot from the right
pedal.
Am I the only one to experience that on a 912 or Jabiru?
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Aerocarb ACV-C04 |
On Nov 16, 2007, at 11:11 PM, Francisco dcubj3 Terra wrote:
> Do you know if someone are using Kitfox V with Continental O-200 or
> Jabiru 3300 engine with ACV-C04 Aerocarb?which vantages? Any
> troubles?
Hello Francisco,
Being a strong believer that less is more, the Aerocarb looks quite
interesting. But, on the Jabiru Engine Yahoo list, it doesn't have all
that support. My own thinking is: If it is superior to the Bing, why
Jabiru doesn't have it as their standard carburettor?
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: uncoordinated turns |
Same thing in a glider plane, harder to turn right (to the right) then left
for beginners, at least for right handed pilots.
Men also "only" use the left brain half, Woman ??
with the cooling fan in front it become more complicated.
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: uncoordinated turns
>
> On Nov 16, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>> You didn't notice yourself pressing the right pedal at cruise?
>
> Here is something I never understood. When I turn left, I feel the plane
> in a very coordinated attitude. I don't have to look, I know that the ball
> is in the center. But when I turn right, I am seldom well coordinated.
> Usually, I need to entirely remove my foot from the right pedal.
> Am I the only one to experience that on a 912 or Jabiru?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
> __________ NOD32 2665 (20071117) Information __________
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| Subject: | Re: transponder kt76 tso |
Jerry,
On my KT 76A I have input ground on pin-A and strapped to
pin 1. Input battery on pin-11. Did not use any dimmer circuit. Other
wiring is for encoder.
----- Original Message -----
From: jerry evans
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:26 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: transponder kt76 tso
Has anyone have experience in hooking up the wires from this
transponder I have a black ground and a red power and a yellow ? when
it goes I don't know I put continuity tester on it, it is grounded but
it is in dimmer pin on the plug in the diagram the red is on pin 5
black is in pin 12 yellow in pin 11 anyone know thanks Jerry
Jerry Evans
96% done 582
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
kitfox 555
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| Subject: | Re: Power Diagram for Review |
In a message dated 11/16/2007 8:50:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
gerns25@netscape.net writes:
Guys,
I have had this post on the Aeroelectric list with no bites, so I thought I
would ask it to you guys. I need some of you electrical geniuses to review
my diagram and critique it and let me know if it will work or what needs to
change. Here is my setup for background:
Rotax 914 with internal (small alternator) and external 40 amp alternator.
My plan is to have the 40A be the primary and the 18A (internal) be a backup
on a switch. Other than that it should be a standard Kitfox power system.
The diagram shows a "Generic Ford" regulator for the primary alternator but in
reality, my alternator has an built in regulator. The Rotax regulator will
be connected to the backup.
Please let me know what needs to change as I am covering the fuse on Monday
and I would like to do the electrical system next.
Do not archive
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
Darin,
Very orderly, nice looking schematic! I see that you have a wire running
from the load side of your battery contactor to the supply side of your starter
contactor labeled both as a "4AWG" wire and as a "16AWG fuselink"??? I am
sure you just left out a tie point between them to illustrate the junction of
the two. I want to hear your arguments as to why you don't just run a 4AWG
wire from the battery side of your battery contactor to the supply side of
your starter contactor and then connect your "current limiter" "note 10"
directly to the load side of your battery contactor? My concern is unnecessary
voltage drop across the battery contactor contacts during cranking. The two
contactors should be located side by side ideally anyway with a short 4AWG jumper
in between them or even a brass/copper strap to "join" them as a single
assembly.
I also agree with Lowell that the Rotax regulator needs a load on it at all
times to stabilize it. A small 1/2 amp load should be plenty. A rewire of
the S704-1 relay should do the trick with a resistor to ground. from the N.O.
contact.
Everyone always dreads the electrical/electronic phase of construction but,
I think you are just beginning one of the most fun and rewarding parts of
building!
Enjoy,
John P. Marzluf "John Z"
Columbus, Ohio
Series V Outback (still out back in the garage)
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| Subject: | Re: Power Diagram for Review |
Darin,
Oops, forgot! Also I don't like the prospect of the battery contactor
failing in flight and preventing you from restarting the engine if needed. Did
I
miss seeing your starter switch configuration?
John P. Marzluf "John Z"
Columbus, Ohio
Series V Outback (still out back in the garage)
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| Subject: | Re: uncoordinated turns |
On Nov 17, 2007, at 11:48 AM, JC Propeller Design wrote:
> Same thing in a glider plane, harder to turn right (to the right) then
> left for beginners, at least for right handed pilots.
Wow! I didn't know that, Jan. Thanks.
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Power Diagram for Review |
At 10:32 PM 11/16/2007, you wrote:
>Also, I notice you have an overvoltage protection module in the
>small generator circuit. I doubt you need it as the unit is a
>simple permanent magnet generator rather than an alternator and run
>away voltage is not an issue.
Darin,
I'll do more review later today, but I can believe that the
output of the voltage regulator can most definitely "run-away" as
mine does so every now and then. (It lets me know the OPM is
working!) I don't know why but I suspect a failing regulator. (Please
note I'm running a 582, but though it has different parts, I think
the operation is the same: PM alternator and 3-phase regulator.)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Power Diagram for Review |
I decided to have a look at this this morning. I do have a couple of
questions.
The OV (over voltage) module on the new alternator will cause the field coil
to ground out thereby popping the field current through the 5A breaker.
Generally these things are wired in such a way to turn on an OV light and
open the breaker. I didn't see any B+ to that OV module to power a light.
In the noisy condition of a cockpit I would think the OV light would be
rather important. It is so easy to miss the breaker popping.
Are you planning on installing two load meters or a double gang switch to
change from one generator to the other as you switch the generators in and
out?
I like the way you have your avionics buss wired to allow avionics override
in the case of a general distribution problem. No one likes the Lucas
effect.... (Lord of the dark)
I notice the dynamo OV module is hot wired through a fuse link to the B+
master terminal. An OV condition would cause the fuse link to blow and then
there is no indication of an OV condition. I think a circuit breaker would
be better in that location. An OV module that would cause an open in the
Aux Alt grounding circuit would not cause the fuse link to blow. The same
sort of OV module should be used on the field circuit of the Alternator.
I think you might be able to simplify the circuit by connecting output of
the Alternator to the NC terminal of the Aux Alt relay. I think it can be
done in such a way the OV will automatically switch the alternator to the
dynamo and give you a warning light (1 of 2). Making the connection that
way will also mean that you will only have one load bridge and one load
meter.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:17 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Power Diagram for Review
>
>
>
> Guys,
>
> I have had this post on the Aeroelectric list with no bites,
> so I thought I would ask it to you guys. I need some of you
> electrical geniuses to review my diagram and critique it and
> let me know if it will work or what needs to change. Here is
> my setup for background:
>
> Rotax 914 with internal (small alternator) and external 40
> amp alternator. My plan is to have the 40A be the primary
> and the 18A (internal) be a backup on a switch. Other than
> that it should be a standard Kitfox power system. The
> diagram shows a "Generic Ford" regulator for the primary
> alternator but in reality, my alternator has an built in
> regulator. The Rotax regulator will be connected to the backup.
>
> Please let me know what needs to change as I am covering the
> fuse on Monday and I would like to do the electrical system next.
>
> Do not archive
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7 (under Construction)
> 914 Turbo
> Ogden, Utah
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146520#146520
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rotax_914_modified_199.pdf
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Power Diagram for Review |
Just had another look ... By moving the Alternator output form the starter
lug to the NC terminal of the Aux Alt relay you would reduce one load meter
and one load bridge. The Aux Alt off/ on switch should be changed to a
double gang type with the second gang opening the field coil when the Aux
Alt is activated... Not automatic but simpler and less parts.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:17 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Power Diagram for Review
>
>
>
> Guys,
>
> I have had this post on the Aeroelectric list with no bites,
> so I thought I would ask it to you guys. I need some of you
> electrical geniuses to review my diagram and critique it and
> let me know if it will work or what needs to change. Here is
> my setup for background:
>
> Rotax 914 with internal (small alternator) and external 40
> amp alternator. My plan is to have the 40A be the primary
> and the 18A (internal) be a backup on a switch. Other than
> that it should be a standard Kitfox power system. The
> diagram shows a "Generic Ford" regulator for the primary
> alternator but in reality, my alternator has an built in
> regulator. The Rotax regulator will be connected to the backup.
>
> Please let me know what needs to change as I am covering the
> fuse on Monday and I would like to do the electrical system next.
>
> Do not archive
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7 (under Construction)
> 914 Turbo
> Ogden, Utah
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146520#146520
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rotax_914_modified_199.pdf
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Aerocarb ACV-C04 |
JUST WEIGHT> From: michel@online.no> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aerocarb ACV
-C04> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:35:20 +0100> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> On Nov 16, 2007, at 11:11 PM, Francisco dcubj3 Terra wrote:> > Do you kno
w if someone are using Kitfox V with Continental O-200 or > > Jabiru 3300 e
ngine with ACV-C04 Aerocarb? which vantages? Any > > troubles?> > Hello Fra
ncisco,> Being a strong believer that less is more, the Aerocarb looks quit
e > interesting. But, on the Jabiru Engine Yahoo list, it doesn't have all
> that support. My own thinking is: If it is superior to the Bing, why > Ja
biru doesn't have it as their standard carburettor?> > Cheers,> Michel Verh
================> > >
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| Subject: | Power Diagram for Review |
Big oops.... I forgot about the reqirement for the Rotax regulator/rectifier
to have a load.
The simple answer to saving the original Aux regulator is to switch the 2 AC
lines coming out of the Rotax internal generator..... No output, no
problems. The way your diagram works the dynamo could go into voltage
runaway.... Only the busses are protected. It would be nice to protect the
dynamo and the regulator too.
I wish I was a lot better with AutoCAD... I'd draw up what I have in mind.
If you switch the AC leads ( both of them) then you won't need switch 1-3.
Come to think of it maybe the best way to go is to put a DPST relay on the
output of the dynamo that really should be OV protected to release when an
OV occurs.
It's a Saturday night and I've had a double martooneyyyyy so I won't be
drawing any thing up until tomorrow.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lowell Fitt
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:02 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Power Diagram for Review
>
>
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Darin, It's been a while, but as I recall, the Rotax
> voltage regulator,
> doesn't like to be without a load. It seems I read somewhere
> that if you
> turn it off - no load - you can fry the regulator. Maybe
> someone else can
> clarify this. You might want to put a small battery, a
> resister or a light
> bulb somewhere in the circuit when the aux (small) generator
> is off line to
> provide a small load. Also, I notice you have an overvoltage
> protection
> module in the small generator circuit. I doubt you need it
> as the unit is a
> simple permanent magnet generator rather than an alternator
> and run away
> voltage is not an issue. At least this is the way I
> understand it. Bob was
> a Kitfox list contributor when I was building and he
> influenced my circuit
> design as well.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:46 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Power Diagram for Review
>
>
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > I have had this post on the Aeroelectric list with no
> bites, so I thought
> > I would ask it to you guys. I need some of you electrical
> geniuses to
> > review my diagram and critique it and let me know if it
> will work or what
> > needs to change. Here is my setup for background:
> >
> > Rotax 914 with internal (small alternator) and external 40
> amp alternator.
> > My plan is to have the 40A be the primary and the 18A
> (internal) be a
> > backup on a switch. Other than that it should be a
> standard Kitfox power
> > system. The diagram shows a "Generic Ford" regulator for
> the primary
> > alternator but in reality, my alternator has an built in
> regulator. The
> > Rotax regulator will be connected to the backup.
> >
> > Please let me know what needs to change as I am covering
> the fuse on
> > Monday and I would like to do the electrical system next.
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> > --------
> > Darin Hawkes
> > Series 7 (under Construction)
> > 914 Turbo
> > Ogden, Utah
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146520#146520
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rotax_914_modified_199.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | transponder kt76 tso |
Red. B+ Pin 5
Black Ground Pin 12
Dimmer ( pin 11) is powered from the instrument lights (14V system) The
dimmer is what it connects to. No instrument lights?... one less connection.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 84KF
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:17 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: transponder kt76 tso
>
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 11:26 PM, jerry evans <kitfox555@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > Has anyone have experience in hooking up the wires from
> this transponder I
> > have a black ground and a red power and a yellow ? when
> it goes I don't
> > know I put continuity tester on it, it is grounded but it
> is in dimmer pin
> > on the plug in the diagram the red is on pin 5 black
> is in pin 12
> > yellow in pin 11 anyone know thanks Jerry
>
>
>
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/Installation_Data/KT76-78.pdf
>
>
>
>
>
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I have had my motor worked on and am remounting it. Is there a specific torque
for the engine mount bolts or do you go by the compression of the rubber mounts?
It is for an EA81 Subaru engine.
thanks mic
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| Subject: | Re: Power Diagram for Review |
Wow,
You guys have done well! Comments from me as to "why" I have done this the way
I have will have to wait a day or two as I am prepping the fuse for covering
(starting Monday morning) and have just a few items of business to finish before
this can happen. Suffice it to say, I don't know why...yes I am ashamed that
I don't know electronics but I am a civil engineer, we're not supposed to know
about electrons.
I appreciate everyones comments and I will try to research them and make necessary
changes before I bug my wise old flying friend about helping me install this
(he is an electrical engineer with lots of aircraft wiring experience, just
not much time to help me design).
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: uncoordinated turns |
Woman?? Now that's a loaded question.
I'm not going there on the grounds I may not like the answer, even though
I'm not married!
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> JC Propeller Design
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:19 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: uncoordinated turns
>
>
> <propellerdesign@tele2.se>
>
> Same thing in a glider plane, harder to turn right (to the
> right) then left
> for beginners, at least for right handed pilots.
>
> Men also "only" use the left brain half, Woman ??
>
> with the cooling fan in front it become more complicated.
>
> Jan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: uncoordinated turns
>
>
> <michel@online.no>
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> >> You didn't notice yourself pressing the right pedal at cruise?
> >
> > Here is something I never understood. When I turn left, I
> feel the plane
> > in a very coordinated attitude. I don't have to look, I
> know that the ball
> > is in the center. But when I turn right, I am seldom well
> coordinated.
> > Usually, I need to entirely remove my foot from the right pedal.
> > Am I the only one to experience that on a 912 or Jabiru?
> >
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