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0. 12:10 AM - [Please Read] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... (Matt Dralle)
1. 11:00 AM - How much Poly-Brush? (darinh)
2. 11:43 AM - Re: How much Poly-Brush? (Roger McConnell)
3. 11:59 AM - Re: How much Poly-Brush? (Rexster)
4. 12:11 PM - Re: How much Poly-Brush? (Michael Gibbs)
5. 01:14 PM - Re: How much Poly-Brush? (jdmcbean)
6. 01:44 PM - Re: IFR in a kitfox (Marco Menezes)
7. 02:21 PM - Re: IFR in a kitfox (john oakley)
8. 02:37 PM - Poly-Brush? (Dave G.)
9. 04:41 PM - Re: How much Poly-Brush? (darinh)
10. 04:47 PM - poly coatings (Harry Cieslar)
11. 05:18 PM - Re: poly coatings (Dave G.)
12. 05:22 PM - Re: How much Poly-Brush? (Noel Loveys)
13. 05:33 PM - Kitfox I mods (akflyer)
14. 05:52 PM - Re: Poly-Brush? (Noel Loveys)
15. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: How much Poly-Brush? (Noel Loveys)
16. 07:15 PM - Re: Kitfox I mods (Jose M. Toro)
17. 07:28 PM - Re: Poly-Brush? (Andy Fultz)
18. 07:36 PM - Re: Poly-Brush? (Andy Fultz)
19. 08:34 PM - coverings (Harry Cieslar)
20. 08:46 PM - Re: Kitfox I mods (akflyer)
21. 09:33 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox I mods (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
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| Subject: | [Please Read] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
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| Subject: | How much Poly-Brush? |
Anyone have a good estimate for me on the amount (gallons) of Poly-brush I need
for a standard wing Series 7? Just finishing up the fuse and want to get that
stuff ordered.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
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| Subject: | How much Poly-Brush? |
I'd order at least three gallons.
Roger McConnell, Duncan, OK
Model 7 Trigear, Rotax 912uls
Flying sense Jan. 06
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 1:00 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: How much Poly-Brush?
Anyone have a good estimate for me on the amount (gallons) of Poly-brush I
need for a standard wing Series 7? Just finishing up the fuse and want to
get that stuff ordered.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: How much Poly-Brush? |
I think your best answer to this question will come from contacting the
people at Polyfiber who sell the stuff. They're very helpful and knowled
gable about their products and you might get some other related tips whi
le you're talking to them.
Rex in Michigan / Model 3 / 912 UL / Warp Drive / 623 Hours
-- "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net> wrote:
Anyone have a good estimate for me on the amount (gallons) of Poly-brush
I need for a standard wing Series 7? Just finishing up the fuse and wa
nt to get that stuff ordered.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: How much Poly-Brush? |
>Anyone have a good estimate for me on the amount (gallons) of
>Poly-brush I need for a standard wing Series 7?
You might check with Murle Williams, he is a distributor for
Poly-Fiber. You can reach him at (602) 978-0553 or via e-mail at
<Murle.Williams@gmail.com>.
Mike G.
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | How much Poly-Brush? |
Darin,
Typically 3 gallons will do the job.. We are a Polyfiber distributor...
Give us a shout.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of darinh
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:00 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: How much Poly-Brush?
Anyone have a good estimate for me on the amount (gallons) of Poly-brush I
need for a standard wing Series 7? Just finishing up the fuse and want to
get that stuff ordered.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: IFR in a kitfox |
Michel,
I had a similar experience returning from Oshkosh this August, flying over lake
Michigan. I departed Wisconsin heading East, climbing to 8000 feet with scattered/broken
clouds at about 2000 feet. It was a bright and beautiful day at
8k ft. The further I got out over the lake, however, the thicker the soup got
below. Flight service kept telling me the weather would clear to the East, but
as I neared my destination, ceiling was reporting 700 (misty rain) with tops
at about 3000.
I puckered-up, descended thru the soup keeping eyes glued to the panel, scanning
the flight instruments & focusing on staying right side up. It took about
3 minutes before I broke thru below but it seemed more like 3 hours. I did not
pay attention to course (Michigan is pretty flat - except for cell phone towers)
and, as a result, broke out 180 degrees opposite the course I was on when
I began the descent.
No matter, I was out, right side up and 5 minutes from home over familiar territory.
Landing was uneventfuI and underwear unsoiled. But I am buying myself
a Tru-trak ADI (with GPS) for Christmas.
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
On Nov 18, 2007, at 6:23 PM, Chris Budd wrote:
> And out of those how many people actually fly theirs in IMC?
Since you ask, Chris, here is my story. In Norway, with my uncertified
Kitfox, I can't fly IFR. I can't fly at night and I can't even fly
on-top. So, I have no gyro instruments except one of those cheap
solid-state turn coordinator.
Last May, I was to fly from Norway to south Germany where I was to meet
friends. I had prepared that for a long time and was looking forward to
it. The forecast was for a high pressure over most of Europe so I was
optimistic. I had a flight plan for 8 AM.
When I arrived at the airfield, there was fog. I had to delayed my
flight plan. Usually that morning fog lifts up during the morning. I
had given me 12 AM as my last chance to leave, otherwise I wouldn't
reach my first overnight in northern Germany and my rendez-vous with my
friends.
At 11 AM, the fog had lifted and a call to the nearby airport tower
confirmed that the ceiling was now 1,000 ft. That gave me enough
altitude to cross the Oslo fjord and fly toward Sweden where the METAR
was CAVOK.
I took of and levelled at 800 ft, right under the cloud cover. A few
minutes later I was over the water when I realised that I had lost
sight with the ground. Grey over me and grey under me!
That happens often early in the year. The water is still colder than
the air and fog banks drift over the fjord. I had to take a decision. I
could try to climb and fly on-top. I could try to descent and hope to
see the water. Or I could just turn around and forget about my trip.
All that thinking took me some minutes during which I was keeping a
straight course, looking at the turn coordinator and my GPS with moving
map. I knew that it was only maybe ten minutes before I would be again
over land and certainly the fog will be gone. I didn't know how deep
was the cloud cover so I decided not to climb. I stayed at the same
altitude and heading.
After ten minutes I saw a dark shape under me, it was the first island
from the other side of the fjord. It got better with time and arrived
to the Swedish border I saw a timid sun from above, piercing in the fog
that soon dissipated to a CAVOK situation.
Those ten minutes with no visual reference were very tense. I had no
problem to keep the plane on en even keel, the turn coordinator (a
TruTrak) was responding very fast. But as time went, I noticed that I
had problems to keep a straight course. With time, I lost concentration
and was not flying any longer in a straight line. I don't think I could
have done that for much longer. High pulse rate, etc. you easily loose
concentration with time.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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I installed the tru-trac adi last winter and have used it several times
while leaving the primitive area in the dark. It has been one of my best
investments yet.
John Oakley
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As long as coatings are being discussed, I'd like to mention the coatings
from Stewart Systems. I know that Polyfiber works but I had/have a huge
problem with the MEK or one of the solvents in it. I can only use it for a
very short time and my eyes start to feel very dry and irritated, a feeling
that lasts for days even if the shop is well ventilated. I decided to try
Stewart Systems line of water borne product and so far I couldn't be
happier. The support has been excellent the price has been good and I have
no problem being around and in contact with any of the products. I've found
the whole line to be easy to use. There is no doubt Polyfiber is the
standard, but the alternatives have worked out better for me.
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
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| Subject: | Re: How much Poly-Brush? |
Thanks guys, I don't know why I spaced it but John McBean sells Poly-Fiber products
and he can give me the exact quantities I will need.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
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Hipec system is probably quickest, simplest, strongest system
eliminating stitching and taping. Toxicity from isocyanate top coat can
be a problem. I will check the Stewart system Dave mentioned if safer.
Harry Cieslar
Avid Magnum Project, Goderich, Ontario
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| Subject: | Re: poly coatings |
In Canada you will recieve your product from Ron at Western Aviation. Ron
has been an absolute pleasure to deal with. He takes care of shipping
accross the border and is able to send product without incurring hazmat
charges that get added to the more flammable products.
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Cieslar" <hcieslar@cabletv.on.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:45 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: poly coatings
>
> Hipec system is probably quickest, simplest, strongest system eliminating
> stitching and taping. Toxicity from isocyanate top coat can be a problem.
> I will check the Stewart system Dave mentioned if safer.
> Harry Cieslar
> Avid Magnum Project, Goderich, Ontario
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| Subject: | How much Poly-Brush? |
When you contact the Poly Fibre people (you really should) it would help
them if you have a decent estimation of how many square feet you have to
cover with the poly brush and what the weight of the cloth is.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rexster
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How much Poly-Brush?
I think your best answer to this question will come from contacting the
people at Polyfiber who sell the stuff. They're very helpful and
knowledgable about their products and you might get some other related tips
while you're talking to them.
Rex in Michigan / Model 3 / 912 UL / Warp Drive / 623 Hours
-- "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net> wrote:
Anyone have a good estimate for me on the amount (gallons) of Poly-brush I
need for a standard wing Series 7? Just finishing up the fuse and want to
get that stuff ordered.
Do Not Archive
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
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A buddy just picked up a model I (stripped and in need of repairs) and while it
is apart he wants to do some mods. What needs to be done to get the 1050 gross?
What mods are must do's?
Thanks
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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FWIW...MEK a.k.a. M. E. K. (said as the three letters) -
Methyl-Ethyl-Keytone is a pure organic chemical... MEK is in itself a
powerful solvent and reactions to it are common. The greatest care to avoid
the fumes should be taken and having a bath in the stuff should be reserved
for very nasty people. If you have to use the stuff you might want to
consider a full hood with a remote air source.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:09 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Poly-Brush?
>
>
>
> As long as coatings are being discussed, I'd like to mention
> the coatings
> from Stewart Systems. I know that Polyfiber works but I
> had/have a huge
> problem with the MEK or one of the solvents in it. I can only
> use it for a
> very short time and my eyes start to feel very dry and
> irritated, a feeling
> that lasts for days even if the shop is well ventilated. I
> decided to try
> Stewart Systems line of water borne product and so far I couldn't be
> happier. The support has been excellent the price has been
> good and I have
> no problem being around and in contact with any of the
> products. I've found
> the whole line to be easy to use. There is no doubt Polyfiber is the
> standard, but the alternatives have worked out better for me.
>
> Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: How much Poly-Brush? |
Remember to keep a bit of poly chemicals around just in case a small repair
is needed. That includes the Poly Brush, Poly-Tac, Poly-Spray and of course
the Poly-Tone.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:10 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: How much Poly-Brush?
>
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>
> Thanks guys, I don't know why I spaced it but John McBean
> sells Poly-Fiber products and he can give me the exact
> quantities I will need.
>
> Do Not Archive.
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> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7 (under Construction)
> 914 Turbo
> Ogden, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox I mods |
Leonard:
As far as I understand there is no way to modify the model I fuselage in order
to increase gross weight. In addition, once an airplane is certified, its gross
weight can't be legally changed.
My recommendation is to keep it as light as possible during restoration. With
a 582, I would guess it could be kept restored with an empty weight not greater
than 490 pounds. With 9 gallons of gas, it would carry a couple of 200 pounders
for 1.5 hours with .5 hours reserve. IMHO that's adequate. Of course, forget
baggage, it is just a model I.
Jose
----- Original Message ----
From: akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:33:20 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox I mods
A buddy just picked up a model I (stripped and in need of repairs) and while it
is apart he wants to do some mods. What needs to be done to get the 1050 gross?
What mods are must do's?
Thanks
--------
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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I'll second that. Now that I'm in the process of covering, I can assure you
I will never use that other stuff again. Stewart Systems is ten times
easier to use, there's no volital chemicals and there's no odor. Clean up
is a cinch. That other stuff has such a strong odor it about chokes me now
to even be around where it is being used. Stewart's is now STC'd and will
soon become the standard for aircraft covering. You'll also save several
pounds in the finished weight. NO, I don't work for the company and have no
ties other than being a satisfied user of the product.
Andy Fultz
AVID Mk IV Speedwing
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:39 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Poly-Brush?
As long as coatings are being discussed, I'd like to mention the coatings
from Stewart Systems. I know that Polyfiber works but I had/have a huge
problem with the MEK or one of the solvents in it. I can only use it for a
very short time and my eyes start to feel very dry and irritated, a feeling
that lasts for days even if the shop is well ventilated. I decided to try
Stewart Systems line of water borne product and so far I couldn't be
happier. The support has been excellent the price has been good and I have
no problem being around and in contact with any of the products. I've found
the whole line to be easy to use. There is no doubt Polyfiber is the
standard, but the alternatives have worked out better for me.
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
do not archive
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Let me add also that the customer support form all the gang at Stewart's is
like I've never seen before. There are NO hazmat shipping cost on any ot
the Stewart products.
Andy Fultz
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy Fultz
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:27 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Poly-Brush?
I'll second that. Now that I'm in the process of covering, I can assure you
I will never use that other stuff again. Stewart Systems is ten times
easier to use, there's no volital chemicals and there's no odor. Clean up
is a cinch. That other stuff has such a strong odor it about chokes me now
to even be around where it is being used. Stewart's is now STC'd and will
soon become the standard for aircraft covering. You'll also save several
pounds in the finished weight. NO, I don't work for the company and have no
ties other than being a satisfied user of the product.
Andy Fultz
AVID Mk IV Speedwing
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:39 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Poly-Brush?
As long as coatings are being discussed, I'd like to mention the coatings
from Stewart Systems. I know that Polyfiber works but I had/have a huge
problem with the MEK or one of the solvents in it. I can only use it for a
very short time and my eyes start to feel very dry and irritated, a feeling
that lasts for days even if the shop is well ventilated. I decided to try
Stewart Systems line of water borne product and so far I couldn't be
happier. The support has been excellent the price has been good and I have
no problem being around and in contact with any of the products. I've found
the whole line to be easy to use. There is no doubt Polyfiber is the
standard, but the alternatives have worked out better for me.
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
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Since reading this info on Stewart system coatings for dacron , I looked
at their site. I really like the idea of safer material,. All others are
potentially toxic. Even Stewart Systems needs precautions they
mention. My question is to those who have used Steweart System and other
systems is how time consuming is Stewarts? Filler coat up to four and
top coat 5 or more. Seems like a lot of work. I have researched a lot
and am trying to decide my first project. Hipec was the simplest ,
strongest etc . I talked to a few users and saw a plane which looked
very good after 15 yrs. However the toxicity is my concern. I would need
a full independent breathing system etc. Not in the cards for my Avid.
Any advice.
Harry Cieslar,Goderich, Ontario, Avid Magnum Project
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox I mods |
Plane has never been registered. I dont think he is too darn worried about legal..
I bet the plane is never registered, he just wants it safe. The guy has
1000's of hours flying up here and has had many other planes. He also does not
want to re-invent the wheel so he asked me to find out what mods people had
done.
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox I mods |
I believe the Kitfox 1 has a gross weight of 850 lbs. I know that the stif
feners in the wings were changed as the models changed. I have a set of Ki
tfox 1 wings and the spar thickness is the same as the ones on a Kitfox 3.
Both were .063 if I remember correctly. But like I said, the stiffners we
re totally different and I suppose that had something to do with the increa
sed gross weight. I just remembered another change, the strut attachment p
oint is closer to the wingtip on the 3 than the 1. About 10" if my memory
it right. Hope this is of some help. Jim Chuk, Avid MK IV Jabiru, Chishol
m Mn> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox I mods> From: akflyer_2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:46:35 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > -
ne has never been registered. I dont think he is too darn worried about leg
al.. I bet the plane is never registered, he just wants it safe. The guy ha
s 1000's of hours flying up here and has had many other planes. He also doe
s not want to re-invent the wheel so he asked me to find out what mods peop
le had done.> > --------> DO NOT ARCHIVE> Leonard Perry> Soldotna AK> Avid
"C" / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA> Full Lotus 1260> 95% complete> > > > >
Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?
============> > >
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