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     1. 03:10 AM - Re: taxy with the wings folded (Dave G.)
     2. 05:17 AM - Re: access cover for oil (Lynn Matteson)
     3. 05:17 AM - Re: taxy with the wings folded (dave)
     4. 06:49 AM - Re: Rotax 582 & Oil% (Napier, Mark)
     5. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: taxy with the wings folded (Noel R. C. Loveys)
     6. 10:06 AM - Re: taxy with the wings folded (Noel R. C. Loveys)
     7. 01:58 PM - Re: taxy with the wings folded (n85ae)
     8. 03:53 PM - rudder repair (jlno7@aim.com)
     9. 04:41 PM - Re: rudder repair (Guy Buchanan)
    10. 04:49 PM - taxy with the wings folded (fox5flyer)
    11. 04:56 PM - Re: rudder repair (kirk hull)
    12. 04:56 PM - rudder repair (fox5flyer)
    13. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: taxy with the wings folded (kirk hull)
    14. 06:52 PM - Re: access cover for oil (darinh)
    15. 06:55 PM - Re: rudder repair (darinh)
    16. 07:32 PM - Re: Re: access cover for oil (Michael Gibbs)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: taxy with the wings folded | 
      
      
      I thought about this and the first thing that came to mind is that you 
      likely wont taxi far, and you have to bleed the fuel system before takeoff. 
      Most kitfoxes with wings folded have a limited fuel load to keep the vents 
      from bleeding fuel. As you fold the wings what fuel there is tends to move 
      away from the pickups, so you may be running on the header tank only and 
      introducing air.
      
      People who actually have FLYING Kitfoxes may find this is wrong, it's just 
      the way I figured it would turn out.
      
      Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
      do not archive 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: access cover for oil | 
      
      
      I think  the one I used is the Camloc access door. p/n05-02124... 
      $12.50 ea, page 107 of this year's Aircraft Spruce Catalog...and let  
      me go on record as saying that the Spruce cat. has to be one of the  
      MOST frustrating to try to find anything...like this....in!  You've  
      got to paw through the pages as opposed to going to the going to the  
      index, because either they don't know what to call something, or they  
      assign a page number to it, and it's not there, or even close to  
      there.......ok, rant over, if you persevere, you'll find it, I'm sure.
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Grass Lake, Michigan
      Kitfox IV Speedster  w/Jabiru 2200
      flying w/440+ hrs
      
      
      On Nov 27, 2007, at 11:45 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote:
      
      >
      > At 07:19 AM 11/27/2007, you wrote:
      >>   Can anyone tell me how to make access hole through the  
      >> fiberglass for the oil or where I can buy one to install, this  
      >> would be for 582 oil injector tank
      >  Attach the door with a short piano hinge and use a Cessna oil door  
      > latch to latch it. (I tried finding the latch at ACS and via Google  
      > and had no luck. I'm sure it's available after-market. I found a  
      > bunch of Cessna parts at www.broadiesaircraft.com.)
      >
      >
      > Guy Buchanan
      > San Diego, CA
      > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: taxy with the wings folded | 
      
      
      I few of my thoughts on the "idea"
      
      I would not want to travel with  folded wings without wing root braces.
      
      Then you have to fold out your wings and possibly would have missing hardware that
      you forgot, hence a trip back to hangar.
      
      Heavy load on tail wheel spring.
      
      Lack of being able to have full fuel tanks.
      
      End of flapperons come into cabin and might hit you in back of head? 
      
      Where you going to put turtle deck ?
      
      If Controlled airport -- might be an issue trying to get a clearance to unfold
      your wings on taxiway.?
      
      Basically I have no idea why anyone would to do this, perhaps you could advise
      us of the reason you ask to do this ? If there an issue  of taxing with wings
      folded?  Your Kitfox wings are likely 10 times or more stronger  rigged than folded,
      alot of strain  on the rear spar at the first rib.   Besides,  you are
      better off getting it all rigged and checked over without having the feeling of
      having to rush .
      
      --------
      Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
      Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
      http://www.cfisher.com/
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149098#149098
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Rotax 582 & Oil% | 
      
      
      Hey Michel,
      
      Others on the list may be thinking what I am, but since no one else has
      said it yet:
      
      I would pull the heads and cylinders and look very carefully at the
      pistons and the cylinder walls.  Just taking the exhaust off and looking
      in isn't good enough.  There have been several engines that have started
      to have problems with pistons seizing with much less abuse than this
      motor has been given.  Just because the motor seems to run OK doesn't
      mean there isn't some damage.  It is typical of the 2-stoke to run fine
      after an event but still have aluminum on the cylinder wall and galled
      pistons.  It will fail on you and maybe at a very bad time.
      
      You'll need a top end gasket set and this one will work just fine:
      http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/712194.html?id=rQMfuDpQ
      
      
      If you need it (you shouldn't) this is a mostly full gasket set but I
      don't use the crankshaft seals.  The Rotax ones are much better.
      However, the gastets, RV/water pump seals and O-rings are perfectly OK.
      There are a few parts missing for the 582 but this will still save you
      $$$.
      http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/711194.html
      
      If the cylinders are scratched and the pistons galled then you will need
      to hone the cylinders.  The cylinders are hard enough that you may well
      be able to get by just cleaning them with Muratic acid to remove any
      aluminum and honing with a ball hone to re-establish the cross-hatch
      pattern.  De-carbon the pistons and start measuring.  Light galling can
      also be touched up as the pistons are very tough.
      
      None of the work is difficult just time consuming.
      
      Fly Safe,
      
      Mark Napier
      
      
      Time: 05:18:05 AM PST US
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax 582 & Oil%
      From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
      
      
      > I immediately reduced power, went into a gently dive and made a
      emergency landing
      on my airfield. During descent, I saw the water temp 
      > becoming normal (85C). 
      > 
      > It was obvious that the temp was a direct result of too much tape over
      the radiator.
      But was caused the engine to cough ? Was it the high temperature ? Is
      it the oil mixture ? 
      > 
      > Somebody can help me ? 
      > 
      > Greetz, 
      > Michel
      > 
      > 
      
      
      Normal temps are not  85C -   that Is getting into the "caution area" of
      a 582
        ( 80C to 90C  -   176 to 200F  )   You can run at 180  without issues
      but 
      it leave little room for error.   You were running at  240 F    (115C )
      WAY
      TOO HOT........  70% of RAD covered?   I would rather see  70% of Rad
      open on
      a stock Kitfox Rad......   ( 4"  b y  20"  = 80 sq inches) 
      
      Why you smell molten plastic ?   Did you find anything melted ?  Likely
      not but
      that Engine was telling to it was VERY HOT. 
      
      You never said was your outside air temp was ? 
      You never said what kind of oil  you used ? 
      Mixture on Pre mix  should be 50 to 1     =  2% 
      Oil injected engines will run leaner than that over all  -  BUT they
      supply oil
      with demand ..  eg  full throttle =  about 50 to 1 mix but at reduced
      throttle
      you might run 70 to 1........   If you try to skimp on oil ratio  then
      it is
      possible you will not have enough oil under  full throttle and high load
      conditions.
      
      I would run some  static ground run ups prior to next flight of duration
      of  2
      to 5 minutes at  full throttle to make sure you have similar to full
      load climbout
      engine checks.   Depending  on Prop  your static can range from 6000 to
      6500.    Where were your EGT gauges through alll  of this ?
      
      --------
      Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
      Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
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| Subject:  | Re: taxy with the wings folded | 
      
      
      Get an old skidoo and mount tundra tires where the skis are...makes a great
      little tractor.  Without going the power route you could make a dolly for
      the tail wheel.   It should take the load just in front of the tail spring
      and the dolly will need to be able to handle a load of close to 150 lb. To
      give a margin of strength.  Open the wings, temporarily to put the tail up
      on the dolly and to take it down.  You could leave the tail up on the dolly
      in the garage too.
      
      I think an American Flyer wagon will probably be a bit too light but you can
      build something using old bicycle wheels.  The larger the wheel the easier
      it will be to pull.  Oh yes pulling is easier than pushing.
      
      Noel
      
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-
      > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
      > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:06 PM
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: taxy with the wings folded
      > 
      > 
      > Vetdrem, I'll be kind,
      > When I think about taxing with the wings folded all kinds of reasons not
      to come to
      > mind.  The weight on the tail spring is a major deterrent.
      > 
      > I take it that between your hangar and the runway there are obstructions
      to spreading
      > the wings?  I would invest in a four wheel motorcycle, an old pickup,
      riding
      > lawnmower, utility trailer, anything I could set the tail wheel on with
      the wings folded
      > and tow it out there.
      > 
      > --------
      > Tom Jones
      > Classic IV, Phase one
      > 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
      > Ellensburg, WA
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > Read this topic online here:
      > 
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148975#148975
      > 
      > 
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| Subject:  | taxy with the wings folded | 
      
      
      No silly questions in my book.  I'd sooner a person ask than damage his
      plane.
      
      Noel
      
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-
      > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Palamarek
      > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:20 PM
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: taxy with the wings folded
      > 
      <temco@telusplanet.net>
      > 
      > John
      > 
      > I think what the writer probably meant was ""please be kind I'm
      sensitive""
      > meaning that don't flame me as I'm just asking a question that some may
      > perceive to be a silly.
      > 
      > DO NOT ARCHIVE
      > 
      > Hope that helps.
      > 
      > Ted Palamarek
      > Kitfox IV - 912
      > Edmonton, Ab
      > 
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      > josandt@verizon.net
      > Sent: November 27, 2007 6:03 PM
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: taxy with the wings folded
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > I find this message disturbing. Kitfox.
      > 
      > <<vetdrem>>
      > <<Please be kinky, I'm sensitive. :)>>
      > 
      > DO NOT ARCHIVE
      > John Sandt, Ridgecrest
      > 
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| Subject:  | Re: taxy with the wings folded | 
      
      
      OK, I haven't been flamed in a while so I'll just blurt it out. I know a lot
      of people are thinking it anyway.
      
      You're crazy, that is a stupid idea for more reason's than there is time
      in the day to answer. If you reply, with the same question my four year
      old would, which is "why?". Then in my opinion you should be banished
      from the list - Forever.
      
      Ok, one little elaboration. BECAUSE the next question you'll ask is -
      Can I fly it with the wings folded, sort of like an F-14?
      
      Ok, I don't text message on the cellphone, but I think the appropriate
      mesg would be ROFLMAO
      
      :)
      
      Regards,
      Jeff.
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149183#149183
      
      
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      There is some damage to the tail fuselage to my Kitfox One.? The tubing is bent
      in the under belly near the rudder and the rudder is bent and the tubing is worn.?
      My AP noticed it and says that the rudder needs to be repaired or replaced
      and a new tube welded in to replace the bent one and the rudder will need a
      new tub and fabric.? The AP doesn't feel qualified to do the welding.? Where
      do I go from here?? Is there anyone? in the Green Bay Wisconsin area who you might
      know who would do this repair?? 
      
      Jerry 
      
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| Subject:  | Re: rudder repair | 
      
      At 03:50 PM 11/28/2007, you wrote:
      >Is there anyone  in the Green Bay Wisconsin area who you might know 
      >who would do this repair?
      
      I don't know if EAA wants us to do this, but I pulled a list of 
      Wisconsin Technical Counselors from their web site. I don't see any 
      in Green Bay, but maybe you can locate one who can lead you to an 
      appropriate repair person. I tried to find A&Ps, but all I got was 
      supermarkets.
      
      Guy
      
      
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| Subject:  | taxy with the wings folded | 
      
      
       Gee whiz Jeff, you shouldn't sugar coat things so much!  :-)
      Deke
      do not archive
      
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: taxy with the wings folded
      
      
      >
      > OK, I haven't been flamed in a while so I'll just blurt it out. I know a 
      > lot
      > of people are thinking it anyway.
      >
      > You're crazy, that is a stupid idea for more reason's than there is time
      > in the day to answer. If you reply, with the same question my four year
      > old would, which is "why?". Then in my opinion you should be banished
      > from the list - Forever.
      >
      > Ok, one little elaboration. BECAUSE the next question you'll ask is -
      > Can I fly it with the wings folded, sort of like an F-14?
      >
      > Ok, I don't text message on the cellphone, but I think the appropriate
      > mesg would be ROFLMAO
      >
      > :)
      >
      > Regards,
      > Jeff.
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149183#149183
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      I bet you could find an EAA chapter around green bay that could help you do
      it your self.  That is one of the best parts of an experimental. No A & P
      required.
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
      Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:41 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: rudder repair
      
      
      At 03:50 PM 11/28/2007, you wrote:
      
      
      Is there anyone  in the Green Bay Wisconsin area who you might know who
      would do this repair?  
      
      
      I don't know if EAA wants us to do this, but I pulled a list of Wisconsin
      Technical Counselors from their web site. I don't see any in Green Bay, but
      maybe you can locate one who can lead you to an appropriate repair person. I
      tried to find A&Ps, but all I got was supermarkets. 
      
      
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      I would think that being that close to the EAA "Mecca" there should be 
      lots of good aircraft tubing welders around.  I suspect you'll get some 
      good hits right here though.
      What happened to it?
      Deke
      NE MI, S5, 370TT
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: jlno7@aim.com 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:50 PM
        Subject: Kitfox-List: rudder repair
      
      
        There is some damage to the tail fuselage to my Kitfox One.  The 
      tubing is bent in the under belly near the rudder and the rudder is bent 
      and the tubing is worn.  My AP noticed it and says that the rudder needs 
      to be repaired or replaced and a new tube welded in to replace the bent 
      one and the rudder will need a new tub and fabric.  The AP doesn't feel 
      qualified to do the welding.  Where do I go from here?  Is there anyone  
      in the Green Bay Wisconsin area who you might know who would do this 
      repair?  
      
        Jerry 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: taxy with the wings folded | 
      
      
      Ok you must have some kind of obstruction between the hanger and the runway
      that you cannot pass with the wings out.  That said I would not taxi with
      the wings folded as you have cut the mounting surface in half ( front wing
      bolt removed ) and left the leading edge unsupported.  This could cause a
      twisting force on the wing that it was not designed to take.  In a worst
      case scenario breaking the epoxy joint between the spar and rib in a place
      that is not easily found.  That is just my opinion and I am in no way an
      expert.
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n85ae
      Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:56 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: taxy with the wings folded
      
      
      OK, I haven't been flamed in a while so I'll just blurt it out. I know a lot
      of people are thinking it anyway.
      
      You're crazy, that is a stupid idea for more reason's than there is time
      in the day to answer. If you reply, with the same question my four year
      old would, which is "why?". Then in my opinion you should be banished
      from the list - Forever.
      
      Ok, one little elaboration. BECAUSE the next question you'll ask is -
      Can I fly it with the wings folded, sort of like an F-14?
      
      Ok, I don't text message on the cellphone, but I think the appropriate
      mesg would be ROFLMAO
      
      :)
      
      Regards,
      Jeff.
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149183#149183
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: access cover for oil | 
      
      
      Jerry,
      
      The Series 7 has a molded impression for the oil door which is cut out and an aluminum
      cover is hand bent to shape and installed with an aluminum piano hinge.
      The Kitfox manual has you secure the latch using winged camlocs but I like
      the flush latch closure better.  If your cowl doesn't have the molded impression,
      simply fabricate a latch cover from a piece of aluminum that is the same thickness
      as your cowl then bend it to shape.  Once you are satisfied with the
      shape, you can place this cover on the cowl and trace it.  Then carefully cut
      and sand/file the opening to shape allowing for a 1/16 clearance on each side.
      Then glue and rivet strips of aluminum under the cowl for the latch to rest
      against and finish the install by gluing and riveting the piano hinge on.  The
      piano hinge knuckles will require a bit more than 1/16" clearance so trial fit
      this and trim as necessary.  See my installation for ideas.  This is a good,
      functional installation and looks good to.  Hope this helps.
      
      --------
      Darin Hawkes
      Series 7 (under Construction)
      914 Turbo
      Ogden, Utah
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149225#149225
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: rudder repair | 
      
      
      Remember you are working with chromoly tubing...its takes a slightly different
      welding technique than regular steel.  Having said this, any good welder will
      know what filler material to use.  Should be a pretty easy fix.
      
      --------
      Darin Hawkes
      Series 7 (under Construction)
      914 Turbo
      Ogden, Utah
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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| Subject:  | Re: access cover for oil | 
      
      As Guy said, the piece you cut out of the cowling makes a perfect 
      door, there's no need to fabricate one.  On my Model IV I had to put 
      the opening directly in the center to align with the oil tank and it 
      would have been tricky to precisely bend a piece of aluminum to the 
      shape of the cowl which had a ridge down the middle.
      
      I cut an aluminum frame to go under the opening to act as the stop 
      for the door and to reinforce the fiberglass.  A piano hinge, a flush 
      latch, and some filler were all that was needed to make for a very 
      functional and attractive installation.
      
      Mike G.
      N728KF
      Phoenix, AZ
      
 
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