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Wed 11/28/07


Total Messages Posted: 17



Today's Message Index:
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     0. 12:29 AM - Wow! A Ton of Comments! (Matt Dralle)
     1. 03:10 AM - Re: taxy with the wings folded (Dave G.)
     2. 05:17 AM - Re: access cover for oil (Lynn Matteson)
     3. 05:17 AM - Re: taxy with the wings folded (dave)
     4. 06:49 AM - Re: Rotax 582 & Oil% (Napier, Mark)
     5. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: taxy with the wings folded (Noel R. C. Loveys)
     6. 10:06 AM - Re: taxy with the wings folded (Noel R. C. Loveys)
     7. 01:58 PM - Re: taxy with the wings folded (n85ae)
     8. 03:53 PM - rudder repair (jlno7@aim.com)
     9. 04:41 PM - Re: rudder repair (Guy Buchanan)
    10. 04:49 PM - taxy with the wings folded (fox5flyer)
    11. 04:56 PM - Re: rudder repair (kirk hull)
    12. 04:56 PM - rudder repair (fox5flyer)
    13. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: taxy with the wings folded (kirk hull)
    14. 06:52 PM - Re: access cover for oil (darinh)
    15. 06:55 PM - Re: rudder repair (darinh)
    16. 07:32 PM - Re: Re: access cover for oil (Michael Gibbs)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:29:18 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Wow! A Ton of Comments!
    Dear Listers, I've been getting a ton of great comments from Listers along with their List Support Contributions lately! I've shared a bunch more below. Please read over some of them and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums. There are just a couple more days left before the official end of this year's Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation of these services. There are still lots of awesome gifts available, so browse the extensive selection and pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution. http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ----------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists ----------- In the big picture, you are most certainly saving lives. The fact that you do it at a very good level of service, quality, and simplicity is just icing on the cake. We all owe you a debt of gratitude. Bruce M Can't go a single day without reading my lists. Even when I am overseas. Terry W Best list ever. No comparison. Johann J I get the digest for the two lists I subscribe to each morning -- they go great with my coffee! I can't tell you how much I've learned from this great service... Mark S ..great lists, best on the Net! Robert S It is very nice to enjoy a SPAM free list. Ken L You run a great list. Makes a builder feel like there's lots of help out there for the asking, and it's appreciated. Steve T The list is a very valuable resource. Thomas S You run a good list. James G Thanks for a great forum. Jimmy Y Thanks for a well-maintained list(s). Michael M Great job! Worth every penny! Stephen T Helps me learn and think about issues I didn't know I didn't know. Martin H I find the list very useful... Robert F What you do provides me with daily contact with a passion of my life, aviation. Wendell M ..the list it is very valuable information. Dwayne H ..a great service to homebuilders. Andrew H I have learned quite a lot from reading the Forums. I have been reading at the forum pages and I like the way it works. Ron L [The List] makes a builder feel like there's lots of help out there for the asking, and it's appreciated. Steve T The list service many purposes, not the least of which is motivation to join my fellow RVer in completing my project and getting in the air. John S Thanks for running a great site. Its simplicity is its greatness. Don't know how I would have been successful without it. Timothy F ..terrific service to experimental and general aviation. James F You have a well run operation. I am happy to support what you do. Mark S A wonderful service to the GA community. David M Great list - let's keep it ad-free! Ben C They have been of great help, learning and friendship for all the members Worldwide. Great job of yours, a little idea that grew really big and wonderful. Gary G ..a thoroughly enjoyable and informative List. John W A GREAT LEARNING TOOL!! Dwayne Y This is a very well-run list and it is a valuable resource for the Pietenpol enthusiast. Graham H Thanks for running this great site - helps those of us on the east of the pond keep in touch. Malcolm H Thanks for the major contribution to my continuing education program. Oldbob S I'm just getting started in the building process & find Matronics to be the most valuable site. Scott D Without the information and encouragement from the listers my project would have been sitting in the corner of my shop collecting dust long ago. Now it's almost ready for final assemble and covering. Edward G Great List. No Ads, just RV-10 builders. Keep it going. Rick E Wonderful source of info for building & flying... Graham H The Yak-list is a superb single source to get answers to questions on the operation of these aircraft. Craig W This list is valuable to everyone and your hard work is very much appreciated. Jim S


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    Time: 03:10:29 AM PST US
    From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
    Subject: Re: taxy with the wings folded
    I thought about this and the first thing that came to mind is that you likely wont taxi far, and you have to bleed the fuel system before takeoff. Most kitfoxes with wings folded have a limited fuel load to keep the vents from bleeding fuel. As you fold the wings what fuel there is tends to move away from the pickups, so you may be running on the header tank only and introducing air. People who actually have FLYING Kitfoxes may find this is wrong, it's just the way I figured it would turn out. Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 do not archive


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    Time: 05:17:48 AM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: access cover for oil
    I think the one I used is the Camloc access door. p/n05-02124... $12.50 ea, page 107 of this year's Aircraft Spruce Catalog...and let me go on record as saying that the Spruce cat. has to be one of the MOST frustrating to try to find anything...like this....in! You've got to paw through the pages as opposed to going to the going to the index, because either they don't know what to call something, or they assign a page number to it, and it's not there, or even close to there.......ok, rant over, if you persevere, you'll find it, I'm sure. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/440+ hrs On Nov 27, 2007, at 11:45 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote: > > At 07:19 AM 11/27/2007, you wrote: >> Can anyone tell me how to make access hole through the >> fiberglass for the oil or where I can buy one to install, this >> would be for 582 oil injector tank > Attach the door with a short piano hinge and use a Cessna oil door > latch to latch it. (I tried finding the latch at ACS and via Google > and had no luck. I'm sure it's available after-market. I found a > bunch of Cessna parts at www.broadiesaircraft.com.) > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > >


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    Time: 05:17:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: taxy with the wings folded
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    I few of my thoughts on the "idea" I would not want to travel with folded wings without wing root braces. Then you have to fold out your wings and possibly would have missing hardware that you forgot, hence a trip back to hangar. Heavy load on tail wheel spring. Lack of being able to have full fuel tanks. End of flapperons come into cabin and might hit you in back of head? Where you going to put turtle deck ? If Controlled airport -- might be an issue trying to get a clearance to unfold your wings on taxiway.? Basically I have no idea why anyone would to do this, perhaps you could advise us of the reason you ask to do this ? If there an issue of taxing with wings folded? Your Kitfox wings are likely 10 times or more stronger rigged than folded, alot of strain on the rear spar at the first rib. Besides, you are better off getting it all rigged and checked over without having the feeling of having to rush . -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149098#149098


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    Time: 06:49:52 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotax 582 & Oil%
    From: "Napier, Mark" <Mark.Napier@sciatl.com>
    Hey Michel, Others on the list may be thinking what I am, but since no one else has said it yet: I would pull the heads and cylinders and look very carefully at the pistons and the cylinder walls. Just taking the exhaust off and looking in isn't good enough. There have been several engines that have started to have problems with pistons seizing with much less abuse than this motor has been given. Just because the motor seems to run OK doesn't mean there isn't some damage. It is typical of the 2-stoke to run fine after an event but still have aluminum on the cylinder wall and galled pistons. It will fail on you and maybe at a very bad time. You'll need a top end gasket set and this one will work just fine: http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/712194.html?id=rQMfuDpQ If you need it (you shouldn't) this is a mostly full gasket set but I don't use the crankshaft seals. The Rotax ones are much better. However, the gastets, RV/water pump seals and O-rings are perfectly OK. There are a few parts missing for the 582 but this will still save you $$$. http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/711194.html If the cylinders are scratched and the pistons galled then you will need to hone the cylinders. The cylinders are hard enough that you may well be able to get by just cleaning them with Muratic acid to remove any aluminum and honing with a ball hone to re-establish the cross-hatch pattern. De-carbon the pistons and start measuring. Light galling can also be touched up as the pistons are very tough. None of the work is difficult just time consuming. Fly Safe, Mark Napier Time: 05:18:05 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax 582 & Oil% From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com> > I immediately reduced power, went into a gently dive and made a emergency landing on my airfield. During descent, I saw the water temp > becoming normal (85C). > > It was obvious that the temp was a direct result of too much tape over the radiator. But was caused the engine to cough ? Was it the high temperature ? Is it the oil mixture ? > > Somebody can help me ? > > Greetz, > Michel > > Normal temps are not 85C - that Is getting into the "caution area" of a 582 ( 80C to 90C - 176 to 200F ) You can run at 180 without issues but it leave little room for error. You were running at 240 F (115C ) WAY TOO HOT........ 70% of RAD covered? I would rather see 70% of Rad open on a stock Kitfox Rad...... ( 4" b y 20" = 80 sq inches) Why you smell molten plastic ? Did you find anything melted ? Likely not but that Engine was telling to it was VERY HOT. You never said was your outside air temp was ? You never said what kind of oil you used ? Mixture on Pre mix should be 50 to 1 = 2% Oil injected engines will run leaner than that over all - BUT they supply oil with demand .. eg full throttle = about 50 to 1 mix but at reduced throttle you might run 70 to 1........ If you try to skimp on oil ratio then it is possible you will not have enough oil under full throttle and high load conditions. I would run some static ground run ups prior to next flight of duration of 2 to 5 minutes at full throttle to make sure you have similar to full load climbout engine checks. Depending on Prop your static can range from 6000 to 6500. Where were your EGT gauges through alll of this ? -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ - - - - - Appended by Scientific Atlanta, a Cisco company - - - - - This e-mail and any attachments may contain information which is confidential, proprietary, privileged or otherwise protected by law. The information is solely intended for the named addressee (or a person responsible for delivering it to the addressee). If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from your computer.


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    Time: 10:05:23 AM PST US
    From: "Noel R. C. Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: taxy with the wings folded
    Get an old skidoo and mount tundra tires where the skis are...makes a great little tractor. Without going the power route you could make a dolly for the tail wheel. It should take the load just in front of the tail spring and the dolly will need to be able to handle a load of close to 150 lb. To give a margin of strength. Open the wings, temporarily to put the tail up on the dolly and to take it down. You could leave the tail up on the dolly in the garage too. I think an American Flyer wagon will probably be a bit too light but you can build something using old bicycle wheels. The larger the wheel the easier it will be to pull. Oh yes pulling is easier than pushing. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:06 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: taxy with the wings folded > > > Vetdrem, I'll be kind, > When I think about taxing with the wings folded all kinds of reasons not to come to > mind. The weight on the tail spring is a major deterrent. > > I take it that between your hangar and the runway there are obstructions to spreading > the wings? I would invest in a four wheel motorcycle, an old pickup, riding > lawnmower, utility trailer, anything I could set the tail wheel on with the wings folded > and tow it out there. > > -------- > Tom Jones > Classic IV, Phase one > 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp > Ellensburg, WA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148975#148975 > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:06:09 AM PST US
    From: "Noel R. C. Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: taxy with the wings folded
    No silly questions in my book. I'd sooner a person ask than damage his plane. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Palamarek > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:20 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: taxy with the wings folded > <temco@telusplanet.net> > > John > > I think what the writer probably meant was ""please be kind I'm sensitive"" > meaning that don't flame me as I'm just asking a question that some may > perceive to be a silly. > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > Hope that helps. > > Ted Palamarek > Kitfox IV - 912 > Edmonton, Ab > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > josandt@verizon.net > Sent: November 27, 2007 6:03 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: taxy with the wings folded > > > > I find this message disturbing. Kitfox. > > <<vetdrem>> > <<Please be kinky, I'm sensitive. :)>> > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > John Sandt, Ridgecrest > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 01:58:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: taxy with the wings folded
    From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>
    OK, I haven't been flamed in a while so I'll just blurt it out. I know a lot of people are thinking it anyway. You're crazy, that is a stupid idea for more reason's than there is time in the day to answer. If you reply, with the same question my four year old would, which is "why?". Then in my opinion you should be banished from the list - Forever. Ok, one little elaboration. BECAUSE the next question you'll ask is - Can I fly it with the wings folded, sort of like an F-14? Ok, I don't text message on the cellphone, but I think the appropriate mesg would be ROFLMAO :) Regards, Jeff. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149183#149183


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    Time: 03:53:12 PM PST US
    Subject: rudder repair
    From: jlno7@aim.com
    There is some damage to the tail fuselage to my Kitfox One.? The tubing is bent in the under belly near the rudder and the rudder is bent and the tubing is worn.? My AP noticed it and says that the rudder needs to be repaired or replaced and a new tube welded in to replace the bent one and the rudder will need a new tub and fabric.? The AP doesn't feel qualified to do the welding.? Where do I go from here?? Is there anyone? in the Green Bay Wisconsin area who you might know who would do this repair?? Jerry ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aimcmp00050000000001


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    Time: 04:41:35 PM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Re: rudder repair
    At 03:50 PM 11/28/2007, you wrote: >Is there anyone in the Green Bay Wisconsin area who you might know >who would do this repair? I don't know if EAA wants us to do this, but I pulled a list of Wisconsin Technical Counselors from their web site. I don't see any in Green Bay, but maybe you can locate one who can lead you to an appropriate repair person. I tried to find A&Ps, but all I got was supermarkets. Guy Dale H. Jorgensen-Algoma, WI Home - (920) 487-3881 Work - (920) 360-4830 Bennett A. Ludtke-Beaver Dam, WI Home - (920) 885-2480 Michael J. Gaffney-Briggsville, WI Home - (608) 981-2238 Work - (608) 742-4636 Edward J. Simpson-Camp Lake, WI Home - (847) 395-4549 Work - (262) 889-8187 David A. Juckem-Chilton, WI Home - (920) 849-4398 Work - (920) 849-9151 Douglas C. Apland-Chippewa Falls, WI Home - (715) 723-5919 Glenn W. Gauger-Delavan, WI Home - (262) 740-2413 Work - (262) 534-6315 Ronald G. Scott-East Troy, WI Home - (262) 642-7423 Alan E. Nicoson-East Troy, WI Home - (262) 565-6427 Work - (262) 215-5055 Roberta A. Hegy-East Troy, WI Home - (262) 470-6181 Work - (414) 944-5700 Paul B. Buss-Eland, WI Home - (715) 253-2490 Joe Schumacher-Florence, WI Home - (715) 528-4489 Work - (715) 528-4489 Mark T. Schroeder-Fond du Lac, WI Home - (920) 923-2711 Work - (920) 921-7845 John F. LeClercq-Forestville, WI Home - (920) 559-7195 Work - (920) 559-7195 Fred J. Keip-Franksville, WI Home - (262) 835-7714 Work - (262) 636-5828 Pat Spanaus-Hartland, WI Home - (262) 538-0859 Work - (262) 367-7550 Kent Bummert-Holmen, WI Home - (608) 526-9464 Work - (608) 385-0994 Archie H. Henkelmann-Janesville, WI Home - (608) 752-5474 Dave F. LeVoy-Marshfield, WI Home - (715) 676-2282 Work - (715) 687-3133 Allan O. Checky Jr-Merrimac, WI Home - (608) 643-5151 Work - (608) 393-0773 Scott D. Jones-Milwaukee, WI Home - (414) 466-1860 Work - (414) 461-6013 Frederick F. Flood-Milwaukee, WI Home - (414) 282-7502 Jeff Point-Milwaukee, WI Home - (414) 329-0054 Work - (414) 915-9173 Michael Weeden-Monroe, WI Home - (608) 329-6652 William Tromblay-Mukwonago, WI Home - (414) 313-5542 Work - (414) 313-5542 Greg J. Klemp-Neshkoro, WI Home - (920) 293-8089 Tracy Buttles-New London, WI Home - (920) 982-2509 Work - (920) 982-2509 Tom Seversen-New London, WI Home - (920) 982-2203 Peter Tallarita-New Richmond, WI Home - (715) 246-9143 Work - (612) 414-9505 Charles M. Allen-Onalaska, WI Home - (608) 779-4899 Daniel Dudley-Oregon, WI Home - (608) 835-8931 Work - (608) 263-2359 Joseph B. Norris-Oshkosh, WI Home - (920) 688-2977 Work - (920) 426-6806 Norman A. Petersen-Oshkosh, WI Home - (920) 426-2217 Earl Lawrence-Oshkosh, WI Home - (920) 233-3972 Work - (920) 426-6522 Lyle M. Forsgren-Oshkosh, WI Home - (920) 589-6501 George Rotter-Oshkosh, WI Home - (920) 231-6446 Ron Wagner-Oshkosh, WI Home - (920) 303-6193 Work - (920) 426-6122 Gary H. Buettner-Oshkosh, WI Home - (920) 236-8704 Work - (920) 426-4854 Mark Gerlach-Oshkosh, WI Home - (920) 231-6916 Work - (920) 233-3350 Steve Johnson-Pardeeville, WI Home - (608) 429-3348 Paul McAllister-Pewaukee, WI Home - (262) 695-7624 Scott K. Cater-Racine, WI Home - (262) 639-3559 Work - (262) 652-4444 Larry Melau-Rhinelander, WI Home - (715) 282-6462 Douglas P. Karis-Rice Lake, WI Home - (715) 234-7540 Work - (715) 234-7540 Richard Marr-River Falls, WI Home - (715) 425-0262 Work - (612) 751-6165 Joseph C. Weisbrod-Rosholt, WI Home - (715) 677-3573 Ralph Skorupa-Salem, WI Home - (262) 889-4438 Work - (815) 459-4405 Alan R. White-Superior, WI Home - (715) 399-8564 Work - (715) 399-8564 Richard H. Pedersen-Tony, WI Home - (715) 532-6276 William M. Rewey-Verona, WI Home - (608) 833-5839 Raleigh H. Illgen-Watertown, WI Home - (920) 699-2483 Bonnie Eales Jensen-Waukesha, WI Home - (262) 574-0429 Work - (262) 894-4840 Herbert Statz-Waunakee, WI Home - (608) 849-4675 David J. Conrad-Wausau, WI Home - (715) 845-7545 Work - (715) 842-4371 Richard Carter-Wauwatosa, WI Home - (414) 476-0705 Carl E. Schultz-Wind Lake, WI Home - (262) 895-6194 Albert L. Barger-Windsor, WI Home - (608) 846-1941 Work - (608) 836-1711 Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.


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    Time: 04:49:20 PM PST US
    From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
    Subject: taxy with the wings folded
    Gee whiz Jeff, you shouldn't sugar coat things so much! :-) Deke do not archive Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: taxy with the wings folded > > OK, I haven't been flamed in a while so I'll just blurt it out. I know a > lot > of people are thinking it anyway. > > You're crazy, that is a stupid idea for more reason's than there is time > in the day to answer. If you reply, with the same question my four year > old would, which is "why?". Then in my opinion you should be banished > from the list - Forever. > > Ok, one little elaboration. BECAUSE the next question you'll ask is - > Can I fly it with the wings folded, sort of like an F-14? > > Ok, I don't text message on the cellphone, but I think the appropriate > mesg would be ROFLMAO > > :) > > Regards, > Jeff. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149183#149183 > > >


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    Time: 04:56:46 PM PST US
    From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
    Subject: rudder repair
    I bet you could find an EAA chapter around green bay that could help you do it your self. That is one of the best parts of an experimental. No A & P required. _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: rudder repair At 03:50 PM 11/28/2007, you wrote: Is there anyone in the Green Bay Wisconsin area who you might know who would do this repair? I don't know if EAA wants us to do this, but I pulled a list of Wisconsin Technical Counselors from their web site. I don't see any in Green Bay, but maybe you can locate one who can lead you to an appropriate repair person. I tried to find A&Ps, but all I got was supermarkets.


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    Time: 04:56:54 PM PST US
    From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
    Subject: rudder repair
    I would think that being that close to the EAA "Mecca" there should be lots of good aircraft tubing welders around. I suspect you'll get some good hits right here though. What happened to it? Deke NE MI, S5, 370TT ----- Original Message ----- From: jlno7@aim.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: rudder repair There is some damage to the tail fuselage to my Kitfox One. The tubing is bent in the under belly near the rudder and the rudder is bent and the tubing is worn. My AP noticed it and says that the rudder needs to be repaired or replaced and a new tube welded in to replace the bent one and the rudder will need a new tub and fabric. The AP doesn't feel qualified to do the welding. Where do I go from here? Is there anyone in the Green Bay Wisconsin area who you might know who would do this repair? Jerry ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail!


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    Time: 05:06:51 PM PST US
    From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: taxy with the wings folded
    Ok you must have some kind of obstruction between the hanger and the runway that you cannot pass with the wings out. That said I would not taxi with the wings folded as you have cut the mounting surface in half ( front wing bolt removed ) and left the leading edge unsupported. This could cause a twisting force on the wing that it was not designed to take. In a worst case scenario breaking the epoxy joint between the spar and rib in a place that is not easily found. That is just my opinion and I am in no way an expert. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n85ae Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:56 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: taxy with the wings folded OK, I haven't been flamed in a while so I'll just blurt it out. I know a lot of people are thinking it anyway. You're crazy, that is a stupid idea for more reason's than there is time in the day to answer. If you reply, with the same question my four year old would, which is "why?". Then in my opinion you should be banished from the list - Forever. Ok, one little elaboration. BECAUSE the next question you'll ask is - Can I fly it with the wings folded, sort of like an F-14? Ok, I don't text message on the cellphone, but I think the appropriate mesg would be ROFLMAO :) Regards, Jeff. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149183#149183


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    Time: 06:52:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: access cover for oil
    From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
    Jerry, The Series 7 has a molded impression for the oil door which is cut out and an aluminum cover is hand bent to shape and installed with an aluminum piano hinge. The Kitfox manual has you secure the latch using winged camlocs but I like the flush latch closure better. If your cowl doesn't have the molded impression, simply fabricate a latch cover from a piece of aluminum that is the same thickness as your cowl then bend it to shape. Once you are satisfied with the shape, you can place this cover on the cowl and trace it. Then carefully cut and sand/file the opening to shape allowing for a 1/16 clearance on each side. Then glue and rivet strips of aluminum under the cowl for the latch to rest against and finish the install by gluing and riveting the piano hinge on. The piano hinge knuckles will require a bit more than 1/16" clearance so trial fit this and trim as necessary. See my installation for ideas. This is a good, functional installation and looks good to. Hope this helps. -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 (under Construction) 914 Turbo Ogden, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149225#149225 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf1991_147.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf1990_195.jpg


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    Time: 06:55:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: rudder repair
    From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
    Remember you are working with chromoly tubing...its takes a slightly different welding technique than regular steel. Having said this, any good welder will know what filler material to use. Should be a pretty easy fix. -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 (under Construction) 914 Turbo Ogden, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149227#149227


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    Time: 07:32:05 PM PST US
    From: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: access cover for oil
    As Guy said, the piece you cut out of the cowling makes a perfect door, there's no need to fabricate one. On my Model IV I had to put the opening directly in the center to align with the oil tank and it would have been tricky to precisely bend a piece of aluminum to the shape of the cowl which had a ridge down the middle. I cut an aluminum frame to go under the opening to act as the stop for the door and to reinforce the fiberglass. A piano hinge, a flush latch, and some filler were all that was needed to make for a very functional and attractive installation. Mike G. N728KF Phoenix, AZ




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