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0. 12:20 AM - Just Two Days Left... (Matt Dralle)
1. 12:18 AM - Re: access cover for oil (darinh)
2. 04:16 AM - access cover for oil (fox5flyer)
3. 06:51 AM - Re: taxy with the wings folded (n85ae)
4. 07:00 AM - Re: Just Two Days Left... (David Dawe)
5. 07:12 AM - Re: access cover for oil (jerry evans)
6. 07:33 AM - Re: Just Two Days Left... (Michael Gibbs)
7. 07:34 AM - Re: access cover for oil (Michael Gibbs)
8. 08:44 AM - Re: Just Two Days Left... (Rexinator)
9. 08:44 AM - taxiing with the wings folded (Joe & Jan Connell)
10. 08:49 AM - Re: rudder repair (n85ae)
11. 09:46 AM - Re: taxiing with the wings folded (n85ae)
12. 11:37 AM - kitfox heater (eskflyer)
13. 12:00 PM - Re: rudder repair (flier)
14. 12:31 PM - Re: rudder repair (n85ae)
15. 02:14 PM - Re: Re: access cover for oil (Noel R. C. Loveys)
16. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: taxy with the wings folded (Noel R. C. Loveys)
17. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: taxy with the wings folded (Noel R. C. Loveys)
18. 02:45 PM - Re: taxy with the wings folded (kitfoxmike)
19. 03:43 PM - taxi with the wings folded (fox5flyer)
20. 04:31 PM - Re: taxi with the wings folded (kitfoxmike)
21. 04:48 PM - Re: Just Two Days Left... (Steve Shinabery)
22. 05:14 PM - Re: Re: taxy with the wings folded (Michael Gibbs)
23. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: taxi with the wings folded (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
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| Subject: | Just Two Days Left... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a couple days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. Over all,
participation has been good, but things have been pretty slow this week for some
reason. If you've been putting off making your Contribution until the last
minute, this is it! The last minute, that is... :-)
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser.
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: access cover for oil |
I agree with Mike completely about using the cutout especially if you have a situation
like he had. Just a word of caution if you use the cutout peice of fiberglass...be
very careful when cutting with your dremel as they can get away
from you in a quick hurry and ruin your cutout.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
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| Subject: | access cover for oil |
Nice display Mike. Worth a thousand words.
Deke
NE MI, S5
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: access cover for oil
> As Guy said, the piece you cut out of the cowling makes a perfect
> door, there's no need to fabricate one. On my Model IV I had to put
> the opening directly in the center to align with the oil tank and it
> would have been tricky to precisely bend a piece of aluminum to the
> shape of the cowl which had a ridge down the middle.
>
> I cut an aluminum frame to go under the opening to act as the stop
> for the door and to reinforce the fiberglass. A piano hinge, a flush
> latch, and some filler were all that was needed to make for a very
> functional and attractive installation.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
> Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: taxy with the wings folded |
Oh, yeah I know, this is the kinder, gentler, more diplomatic version of
me. Plus it's the holiday season and all.
OK - Perhaps, there's a reasonable explanation for wanting to taxi with
wings folded, but it's just too good an opportunity to pass up.
Jeff
Fox5flyer wrote:
> Gee whiz Jeff, you shouldn't sugar coat things so much! :-)
> Deke
> do not archive
>
> Subject: Re: taxy with the wings folded
>
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| Subject: | Just Two Days Left... |
Hi
Is advertising on this list an option?
Is bagging for money a normal on other lists?
Dave
> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:20:01 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Fro
m: dralle@matronics.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Just Two Days Left...> > -->
Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>> > Dear
Listers,> > There are just a couple days left for this year's List Fund Rai
ser. Over all, participation has been good, but things have been pretty slo
w this week for some reason. If you've been putting off making your Contrib
ution until the last minute, this is it! The last minute, that is... :-)> >
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Lists and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your
Contributions during this Fund Raiser. > > Please make a Contribution today
! > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > Thank you! > > Matt Dralle
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| Subject: | Re: access cover for oil |
Thanks for all the comments and pics this helps me a lot hopefully I can find the
latch somewhere
Nice display Mike. Worth a thousand words.
Deke
NE MI, S5
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs"
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: access cover for oil
> As Guy said, the piece you cut out of the cowling makes a perfect
> door, there's no need to fabricate one. On my Model IV I had to put
> the opening directly in the center to align with the oil tank and it
> would have been tricky to precisely bend a piece of aluminum to the
> shape of the cowl which had a ridge down the middle.
>
> I cut an aluminum frame to go under the opening to act as the stop
> for the door and to reinforce the fiberglass. A piano hinge, a flush
> latch, and some filler were all that was needed to make for a very
> functional and attractive installation.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
> Phoenix, AZ
Jerry Evans
96% done 582
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
kitfox 555
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| Subject: | Just Two Days Left... |
Dave asks:
>Is advertising on this list an option?
>Is bagging for money a normal on other lists?
In this case the request comes from Matronics, the company that
provides the forum for this list. The entire operation is otherwise
ad-free, meaning that Matt makes no money off of this or any of the
other discussion lists they host (yes, there are many others). It
still costs money to buy and operate the servers it runs on and to
provide the excellent support we receive to keep the list running.
Matt has elected to ask for voluntary contributions once each year
rather than smear commercial ads all over the Matronics web pages and
attach them to every message forwarded by his servers. This approach
provides you with the freedom to decide with your dollars what value
the list brings to you.
You may not agree but, personally, I prefer not having to weed
through all the crap that many web-based services include to sustain
themselves.
Mike G.
Kitfox List Administrator
Phoenix, AZ
> > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:20:01 -0800
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > From: dralle@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Just Two Days Left...
> >
> >
> > Dear Listers,
> >
> > There are just a couple days left for this year's List Fund
>Raiser. Over all, participation has been good, but things have been
>pretty slow this week for some reason. If you've been putting off
>making your Contribution until the last minute, this is it! The last
>minute, that is... :-)
> >
> > Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial
>advertising on the Lists and the *only* means of keeping these Lists
>running is through your Contributions during this Fund Raiser.
> >
> > Please make a Contribution today!
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> > Matronics Email List Administrator
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: access cover for oil |
Jerry sez:
>Thanks for all the comments and pics this helps me a lot hopefully I
>can find the latch somewhere
They are quite common in airplane supply circles. Among others, I've
seen them at Aircraft Spruce. Kitfox, LLC might have them as well,
you should check with John McBean.
Mike G.
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Just Two Days Left... |
I believe anyone can mention products or services that are specific to the aircraft
the list is intended for. Plus Matronics has product gifts for $50 and
up.
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
Michael Gibbs wrote:
>
> Dave asks:
>
>> Is advertising on this list an option?
>> Is bagging for money a normal on other lists?
>
>
> In this case the request comes from Matronics, the company that
> provides the forum for this list. The entire operation is otherwise
> ad-free, meaning that Matt makes no money off of this or any of the
> other discussion lists they host (yes, there are many others). It
> still costs money to buy and operate the servers it runs on and to
> provide the excellent support we receive to keep the list running.
>
> Matt has elected to ask for voluntary contributions once each year
> rather than smear commercial ads all over the Matronics web pages and
> attach them to every message forwarded by his servers. This approach
> provides you with the freedom to decide with your dollars what value
> the list brings to you.
>
> You may not agree but, personally, I prefer not having to weed through
> all the crap that many web-based services include to sustain themselves.
>
> Mike G.
> Kitfox List Administrator
> Phoenix, AZ
>
>
>> > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:20:01 -0800
>> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> > From: dralle@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Just Two Days Left...
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Listers,
>> >
>> > There are just a couple days left for this year's List Fund
>> Raiser. Over all, participation has been good, but things have been
>> pretty slow this week for some reason. If you've been putting off
>> making your Contribution until the last minute, this is it! The last
>> minute, that is... :-)
>> >
>> > Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial
>> advertising on the Lists and the *only* means of keeping these Lists
>> running is through your Contributions during this Fund Raiser.
>> >
>> > Please make a Contribution today!
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> >
>> > Thank you!
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> > Matronics Email List Administrator
>
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| Subject: | taxiing with the wings folded |
Hi,
When the wings are folded minimal displacement of the rudder
is available. If you are trying to taxi under power, the folded
flaperons will block rudder travel. You won't be able to steer
the aircraft very well...
Joe Connell
Stewartville, MN
Kitfox-II N62JK
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| Subject: | Re: rudder repair |
It's pretty much a guarantee that any decent local welding shop, that
can do acetylene or tig can do a more than acceptable job for you. You
can buy tubing from AC Spruce, and use RG-45 or RG-60 welding rod.
I wouldn't get to worried about welding it, 4130 is VERY easy to weld
well.
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: taxiing with the wings folded |
That's a good reason to not try flying with the wings folded either! Limited
rudder travel in flight!
Jeff
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I am in need of 1 heater that was for the kitfox for the 582 . I f anyone has
one and wants to part with it give me a call at 580-695-8778 or email at eskflyer@yahoo.com
Thanks
--------
FLY FUN FLY LOW FLY SLOW
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
582 cbox 2:62-1 IVO IFA
Leni's FULL-LOTUS floats on MY plane forever
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| Subject: | Re: rudder repair |
Thinwall 4130 is not nearly as forgiving as mild steel to weld. Needs to be done
in an absolute breeze free environment. For TIG ER70S-2 filler is recommended.
Post weld annealing is always debated but I always run a torch over TIGed
chromoly. Nice thing about the rudder is aside from the spar it's not all that
complex or highly loaded so just about anyone decent with a torch (TIG or
OA) should be able to even build a new rudder for a Kitfox....
Regards,
Ted
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| Subject: | Re: rudder repair |
Ted -
The only thing I've ever welded was thinwall 4130 :) So I guess I really
can't compare.
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: access cover for oil |
Use the Dremel with the spin saw attachment. Draw out the shape of the door
and cut slowly.
I think I already mentioned to make nice curves at the corners to reduce the
chance of cracking the cowl at the corners. Sand both the door and the edge
of the hole.
I like the piano hinge but you could just as easily use 4 - 6 Camlocs or
Dzus fasteners and have the door completely removable. BTW if you hinge the
door at the front air pressure will keep the door closed if the closure
comes undone in flight.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:46 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: access cover for oil
>
>
> I agree with Mike completely about using the cutout especially if you have
a situation
> like he had. Just a word of caution if you use the cutout peice of
fiberglass...be very
> careful when cutting with your dremel as they can get away from you in a
quick hurry
> and ruin your cutout.
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7 (under Construction)
> 914 Turbo
> Ogden, Utah
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149257#149257
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| Subject: | Re: taxy with the wings folded |
Michel:
I like the idea of your inverted pyramid. I think you could use the through
tubes in the frame for the tow bar. I agree 100% with it being easier to
fold the wings with the tail up. It would also be easy to install a tow bar
(for handling) on the lip of the inverted pyramid.
As for taxiing with the wings folded ... Not on my plane! Tail up or down!
Noel
> I was once considering folding my wings, not to taxi but to get easier
> in the hangar. I thought that the best way to manoeuvre the plane would
> then be by building a tail dolly. Imagine a pyramid upside-down, built
> in steel or even wood. On the 'top' a free-castoring wheel. On the
> 'base' two holes in which I put a long bolt that goes in the tube used
> for an eventual dorsal fin (at least, on my model 3 - don't know about
> other models). The rest of the 'base' is padded to receive the
> fuselage.
> To put on the dolly, I fix the bolt then lift the tail and the
> 'pyramid' goes in an upside-down position.
>
> The advantages are: It is easier to fold the wings when the plane is
> level; less weight pulling the wings backward. It is then probably
> possible to fold and unfold the wings alone. Next, you don't have to
> remove the fuel that may leak from having the wing folded.
>
> If one has to taxi that one, one should also consider putting a stopper
> on the pedals so that no pressure is put on the rudder while one is
> still able to 'steer' by differential braking.
>
> Just a thought.
> Cheers,
>
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: taxy with the wings folded |
If you consider yourself flamed, I'll consider myself flamed too.
Noel
P.S. Can is expect to gain a bit of airspeed if I fly with the wings
folded??? Will it affect any VGs??? Lol
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n85ae
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:26 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: taxy with the wings folded
>
>
> OK, I haven't been flamed in a while so I'll just blurt it out. I know a
lot
> of people are thinking it anyway.
>
> You're crazy, that is a stupid idea for more reason's than there is time
> in the day to answer. If you reply, with the same question my four year
> old would, which is "why?". Then in my opinion you should be banished
> from the list - Forever.
>
> Ok, one little elaboration. BECAUSE the next question you'll ask is -
> Can I fly it with the wings folded, sort of like an F-14?
>
> Ok, I don't text message on the cellphone, but I think the appropriate
> mesg would be ROFLMAO
>
> :)
>
> Regards,
> Jeff.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149183#149183
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| Subject: | Re: taxy with the wings folded |
if you taxi with the wings open, it opens the doors for a lot of fun when there
is a bunch of snow on the taxi ways. Get yourself going and hit one brake and
get it sliding sideways, real fun.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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| Subject: | taxi with the wings folded |
Why would anyone want to do that? Just curious.
Deke
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>
> if you taxi with the wings open, it opens the doors for a lot of fun when
> there is a bunch of snow on the taxi ways. Get yourself going and hit one
> brake and get it sliding sideways, real fun.
>
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| Subject: | Re: taxi with the wings folded |
Jee, some of you guys take the fun right out of everything. Then again, what would
you do if this happens to you when you have no idea what would happen when
it happens. But hay, I'm having fun, and I'm not doing it very fast, about
walking speed, and there is snow everywhere, that's what we have now.
I tried getting clearance for the sod, it has about 4 inches of snow, the tower
called the appropriate people and they said no. Rats, I wanted to land in the
snow so bad.
At least I know what my airplane does in the snow. But then again I think most
people stay home and watch tv.
Those king fox tires are sure fun.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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| Subject: | Re: Just Two Days Left... |
I too belive that this is a good cause to help the list out.and I will
like my gift that I will recive. Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2
Rexinator wrote:
>
> I believe anyone can mention products or services that are specific
> to the aircraft the list is intended for. Plus Matronics has product
> gifts for $50 and up.
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| Subject: | Re: taxy with the wings folded |
Noel sez:
>P.S. Can is expect to gain a bit of airspeed if I fly with the wings
>folded??? Will it affect any VGs??? Lol
I'm thinking you'll have new CG limits, for sure!
Mike G.
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: taxi with the wings folded |
The slideing sideways post reminds me of a landing on a lake I made last sp
ring. (northern MN) It was getting warm and all the snow was melted and
the ice was wet and slippery. I landed next to an island, and as I was rol
ling out past the island, a crosswind caught me and all of a sudden, there
I was slideing sideways on those smooth Kingfox tires. Got my attention, b
ut no damage done. Maybe if I had practiced it....... anyway, now the lake
s are froze again and I can start landing on them again. Jim Chuk, Avid
MK IV, Jabiru
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: taxi with the wings folded> From: customtrans@q
west.net> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:31:03 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.
et>> > Jee, some of you guys take the fun right out of everything. Then aga
in, what would you do if this happens to you when you have no idea what wou
ld happen when it happens. But hay, I'm having fun, and I'm not doing it ve
ry fast, about walking speed, and there is snow everywhere, that's what we
have now.> > I tried getting clearance for the sod, it has about 4 inches o
f snow, the tower called the appropriate people and they said no. Rats, I w
anted to land in the snow so bad.> > At least I know what my airplane does
in the snow. But then again I think most people stay home and watch tv.> >
Those king fox tires are sure fun.> > --------> kitfoxmike> model IV, 1200>
speedster> 912ul> building > RV7a> slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit> &quo
t;if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flyin
g enough"> Do not archive> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > htt
> > >
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