---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/05/07: 43 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:24 AM - Re: 8 inch wheels (LarryM) 2. 05:26 AM - Re: Questions about ELTs?? (LarryM) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: Re: Questions about ELTs?? (fox5flyer) 4. 06:29 AM - Re: Questions about ELTs?? (Bob) 5. 06:35 AM - Re: Aerothane vs. Ranthane? (Bob) 6. 06:39 AM - Re: Throttle to carb connection (DanM) 7. 06:45 AM - Re: Quarter scale Kitfox model (Gary) 8. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: Questions about ELTs?? (Michel Verheughe) 9. 07:29 AM - Re: Re: Questions about ELTs?? (Michel Verheughe) 10. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Questions about ELTs?? (paul wilson) 11. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Carb Ice (paul wilson) 12. 07:49 AM - Re: Throttle to carb connection (Marco Menezes) 13. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: 8 inch wheels (Jose M. Toro) 14. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: Throttle to carb connection (Lynn Matteson) 15. 08:43 AM - Re: Throttle to carb connection (Lynn Matteson) 16. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: Questions about ELTs?? (Michael Gibbs) 17. 09:03 AM - Re: kitfox heater (akflyer) 18. 09:13 AM - CD player, whats cheap but works good? (SUE MICHAELS) 19. 09:25 AM - Veitical Card Compass?? (SUE MICHAELS) 20. 09:28 AM - Re: CD player, whats cheap but works good? (Michael Gibbs) 21. 09:50 AM - Re: Throttle to carb connection (kcflys) 22. 09:54 AM - Re: CD player, whats cheap but works good? (SUE MICHAELS) 23. 10:02 AM - =?US-ASCII?Q?Re:__CD_player=2C_what's_cheap_but_works_good=3F? (Noel R. C. Loveys) 24. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: Carb Heat (Noel R. C. Loveys) 25. 10:41 AM - Re: CD player, whats cheap but works good? (Lowell Fitt) 26. 11:34 AM - Re: CD player, whats cheap but works good? (fox5flyer) 27. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: Throttle to carb connection (Lynn Matteson) 28. 12:26 PM - throttle to carb connection (lynnmatt@jps.net) 29. 12:48 PM - Classic 4 items (Jacques Voynaud) 30. 01:12 PM - Re: Re: Throttle to carb connection (Jose M. Toro) 31. 02:18 PM - Re: Questions about ELTs?? (John W. Hart) 32. 02:39 PM - Re: Re: Questions about ELTs?? (John W. Hart) 33. 02:48 PM - Re: Veitical Card Compass?? (GONER752@aol.com) 34. 03:04 PM - Re: Questions about ELTs?? (darinh) 35. 04:40 PM - Re: CD player, whats cheap but works good? (Guy Buchanan) 36. 05:06 PM - Re: CD player, whats cheap but works good? (kitfoxmike) 37. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: Throttle to carb connection (Lynn Matteson) 38. 06:07 PM - Fw: Re: Throttle to carb connection (Lynn Matteson) 39. 06:38 PM - throttle to carb connection (Lynn Matteson) 40. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: Throttle to carb connection (Jose M. Toro) 41. 08:05 PM - Re: CD player, whats cheap but works good? (Michael Gibbs) 42. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: CD player, whats cheap but works good? (Michael Gibbs) 43. 08:39 PM - Re: Re: Questions about ELTs?? (SUE MICHAELS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:55 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 8 inch wheels From: "LarryM" Thanks Jose, I found some 800 x 6 from Carlise. I'll try those. I haven't been able to find anything larger. The big boys - Super Cub guys consider 26" small and shoot for 31 or 35". Imagine the weight not to mention the cost on those! larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150550#150550 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:31 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Questions about ELTs?? From: "LarryM" Hello Larry, There is no requirement for a 406 Mhz ELT found anywhere in the FARs. The regulation regarding ELTs is 91.207, and it has not changed in any way since the introduction of the 406 Mhz ELTs or the announcement that the Search and Rescue (SAR) satellites will discontinue receiving 121.5 in the year 2009. Your existing 121.5 Mhz ELT will continue to meet the requirements of the regulations after 2009, but will no longer be as effective since the SAR satellites will no longer receive the signal. Joe Norris EAA Aviation Services EAA Aviation Center, Oshkosh, WI 888-322-4636, extension 6806 jnorris@eaa.org Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150552#150552 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:36 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Questions about ELTs?? I don't know if it was myth or magic, but as I recall, someone once told me that all airliners were required to monitor 121.5. My question is, is this a true fact and if it is, are they still doing it? Also, do ATC facilities still monitor 121.5/243.0? Deke S5, NE Michigan > > Darin sez: > >>I recently attended a seminar by the owner of preparedpilot.com on >>surviving a night (or nights) in the backcountry and the way he approaches >>that question is that he adds "PLB Activation" to his mental emergency >>procedure. In other words, if you have an emergency and know you are >>going down, you will most likely have that second or two to activate your >>PLB, so add that to your emergency procedure and hit the button before you >>crash. > > Apparently he wasn't in my Kitfox with me when I crashed into the side of > a mountain. His assumption is unrealistic--there was no time to activate > anything. > > Anyone concerned about the possibility of an emergency landing should > spend a few extra dollars and replace their 121 MHz ELT with a 406 MHz > model to go along with their personal beacon. That's what I plan to do. > > Mike G. > N728KF > Phoenix, AZ > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:05 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Questions about ELTs?? From: "Bob" Michel, nothing personal, but due to where you live you're under a whole different set of rules. For the US owners and pilots, here's a summary from multiple sources, such as AOPA and EAA answers online, plus the FAA: http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/ATpubs/AIM/Chap6/aim0602.html 1. First generation 1973 TSO-C91 ELTs activate less than 25% of when supposed to, are still legal to keep in use, but not to install. 2. Second-generation 1980s TSO-C91A ELTs (note addition of the "A") activate in 73 percent of accidents and cost about $200. As with the C91 models, the centers will wait for a second confirmation pass (about an hour and a half), searchers have to get organized and launched, and then fly a time-consuming pattern to find these. Meanwhile, you've got blunt-force trauma and maybe are bleeding. 3. New-generation TSO-C126 ELTs transmit the owner's ID on 406 mhz, making the search area 1/10th of that for a 121.5 mhz unit. A quick phone call by search and rescue authorities to the emergency contact numbers on file can verify whether the signal is valid and set the rescue operation in motion much more quickly. Chief Aircraft sells an Artex ME-406 ELT that puts out a signal on both 121.5 and 406.028 MHz and costs $894.50. Most 406-based ELTs will take a GPS input, telling searchers right where you are, but this adds a price that depends on the unit. ELTs have a battery and most can be taken out of the mount to be carried from the airplane, negating the need for a personal beacon. All bets are off if any ELT antenna is smothered, the ELT &/or antenna are insecurely mounted, or a discount antenna cable rips out. Non-aviation personal locator beacons (PLBs) are also 406 mhz-based and cost typically $400-$600, but I've seen cheapos (not sure that I personally would trust a cheap PLB) approach $300. As of February 1, 2009, the 121.5-MHz ELTs will cease being monitored by the international search and rescue satellite system known as COSPAS-SARSAT. After that date the signals will be detected only by ground-based receivers such as those operated by local airports and air traffic control, and if you're lucky, by overflying aircraft. If you go down in a remote area your chances of being found will be greatly diminished. Largely in deference to AOPA, an ELT upgrade will not be mandated in the US at this time. The NTSB has recommended mandating it in the US and so far the FAA has the beaurocratic inertia of not agreeing, as it did in allowing people to keep the original C91 units. The 406 ELT already has been mandated in many countries, with others following suit. What will happen in future politics is anybody's guess and pointless to debate. So pay your money and make your idividual choice. You can buy a C91A (or keep what you have), use a C91 or C91A plus a separate personal locator (remember to register it), or buy a 406-based ELT. That's why you're called the "owner." Bob -------- Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150558#150558 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:05 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Aerothane vs. Ranthane? From: "Bob" As emotionally attached builders and owners, we seem to regularly get into these chocolate/vanilla/strawberry ice-cream debates. I'd strongly recommend that you call some of the commercial users. The real expertise is with the aerial applicators (crop dusters), back-country operators, and pipeline patrol guys. Bob -------- Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150560#150560 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:30 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection From: "DanM" Thanks for the information guys. Since Jay has been successful with the wire grip, I may not change mine. Lynn, how is the internally threaded rod attached to the carb lever. I can't picture it from your comments. More on my set up, I have a ACS vernier throttle which is connected to ACS wire grip in question, the wire grip is then connected to a rod end which is connected to the carb lever. I might add, the carb lever is special design and built by Dave Jalanti. His design add more throw to carb lever which gives more travel to the vernier throttle thus finer adjustments. Heres some photos of my set up. -------- Dan Mc Intyre Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150562#150562 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010004_182.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010005_846.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:06 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Quarter scale Kitfox model From: "Gary" Thanks for the info. I plan to make one of those models for a paint scheme test bed. I can't believe how many Kitfox's have dreadful paint jobs. The design has some awkward lines that should be avoided when laying out stripes and graphics. With a big wooden mock up and a couple of yards of peel and stick sign vinyl, you can get it right the first time. -------- Gary Del Bel Belluz Toronto, IV / 912UL Just getting started Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150563#150563 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:16 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Questions about ELTs?? > From: fox5flyer [fox5flyer@idealwifi.net] > I don't know if it was myth or magic, but as I recall, someone once told me > that all airliners were required to monitor 121.5. My question is, is this > a true fact and if it is, are they still doing it? When I was sailing long distances, I was also concerned by that because my maritime EPIRB, at the time, didn't had the possibility to send a distress signal everywhere. You see, the first version of the COSPAS-SARSAT was only directly relaying directly to a land station. If you were out of range, it couldn't be used. Remember that those satellites are in a polar orbit, relatively low. Today, the distress signal is stored in the satellite and relayed to the ground when within reach of a station. Anyway, I was wondering if aircraft would then catch my signals on 121.50. I was told that yes, most airliners do listen to that frequency and they are especially asked to do so when flying over the oceans. Incidentally, the code that was programmed (my maritime callsign) on that frequency was done using morse signals. While I am a ham and read morse at a rate of 80 characters per minute, I often wondered how many pilot would be able to decode that. But I guess they have cockpit voice recorders or other means of storing radio messages. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:08 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Questions about ELTs?? > From: Bob [dswaim1119@comcast.net] > Michel, nothing personal, but due to where you live you're under a whole different > set of rules. For the US owners and pilots, here's a summary from multiple sources, > such as AOPA and EAA answers online, plus the FAA: Er ... hum, yes Bob but ... did I write anything that contradicts that? I am not sure what you are telling me. Of course, it would be nice to have a ELT in my Kitfox. Actually I had one but didn't keep it. You see my Kitfox was built under the international Experimental class and, as such, the ELT was compulsory, just like the international PPL license was compulsory. But it was later registered as a Norwegian ultralight aircraft. Nothing to do with the US ultralight definition. In Europe, Ultralight differs from country to country but are more or less the same within a few national rules. We need a license and we need certification. But it is not under our national aviation authorities but rather our national air sport federations. I have a Norwegian ultralight license and certification for my Kitfox. Maybe it is closer to your new Sport Pilot license. ELT is not compulsory and extremely few of us have it. The reason being that over here, you need to pay a yearly license for radio, transponder and ELT if you have one. But we are also limited, compared with the Experimental boys. We can't fly IFR, at night, no aerobatics, no on-top clouds, no over sea longer than 10 km from the coast, and we need to wear a helmet. We also have to go to bed before the 'boys' because our 'night' is not the aviation night of six degrees under the horizon but the actual local sunset. The previous owner of my Kitfox, while flying it as an ultralight kept the ELT because he was flying mostly from his hometown, on the west coast, where there is e.g. no cell phone range over the mountains. But I fly on the east coast, near Oslo, which is much flatter and has a all-around coverage of cell phone. Yes, I know, it doesn't help if you are unconscious in your wrecked plane. Incidentally, the maritime counterpart, the EPIRB, working on the same system, is part of what is called the GMDSS system, which is a combination of different communication systems. Today, there are no more radio officers on board vessels but an officer with a GMDSS license. When introduced, 90% of maritime distress signals were coming from people sending it unvoluntary. You can only do that on a GMDSS console by pressing two different buttons for a few seconds. Still, people were so 'trigger-happy' that they pressed it, often resulting in an overloading of the coast guard services. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:09 AM PST US From: paul wilson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Questions about ELTs?? Interesting The subject of personal locator devices is now in great expansion. A typical gadget is the one at adventuretrak.com This thing, for a fee, can tell someone with a PC where you are and it can call emergency responders when you tell it to. Expect significant price reductions in the future when the public discovers them. All are gps based. There are good reports from the "Spot" device where a guy had his motorcycle stolen and they were able to locate it. Good thing the guy stashed it where the bad guy did not find it. There are many of these devices out there and when the bad guys steal a vehicle they hide it in a public place and watch to see if the authorities find it before dealing doing anything the vehicle. These devices work world wide via satellite and GPS. Regards, Paul ================== At 05:26 AM 12/5/2007, you wrote: > >Hello Larry, > >There is no requirement for a 406 Mhz ELT found anywhere in the >FARs. The regulation regarding ELTs is 91.207, and it has not >changed in any way since the introduction of the 406 Mhz ELTs or the >announcement that the Search and Rescue (SAR) satellites will >discontinue receiving 121.5 in the year 2009. Your existing 121.5 >Mhz ELT will continue to meet the requirements of the regulations >after 2009, but will no longer be as effective since the SAR >satellites will no longer receive the signal. > >Joe Norris >EAA Aviation Services >EAA Aviation Center, Oshkosh, WI >888-322-4636, extension 6806 >jnorris@eaa.org > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150552#150552 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:10 AM PST US From: paul wilson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb Ice One the reasons for not using the carb heat from the Skystar kit was the use of scat for air flow. The guys using the kit were down on performance compared to using the K&N air cleaners. I was at Osh one year and discussed this issue with one of the racer guy crew chief and he pulled the cowl and showed me ho to make ducts without using scat. What they did was make custom fiberglass ducts with rubber boots where movement was encountered. Not a complex on his engine since it only had one EFI intake compared to the Rotax which has to be split to get to the two carbs. His process was to use 4" diameter swimming pool snakes then he fed soft copper tubing thru the center hole and then bent to fit. Then he used fiberglass to cover it. After cure he just pulled out the copper & removed the foam. The result, he said, was a super smooth inside surface with little pressure drop. The intake still had the carb heat box but when open to the ram air he said the performance went up. An interesting fix. Now days for the M7 which uses the air intake designed for The 912 engine there is only one intake duct from the carb heat box to the engine intake which slightly simplifies the fix. Regards, Paul ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:40 AM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Throttle to carb connection Kinda like flying a Sopwith Camel, eh Lynn? do not archive Lynn Matteson wrote: I think I'd rather have the throttle go to WOT and control the plane by using the mag switch, than to have to try to find a landing spot with no power. What about an over-water broken throttle control? Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/440+ hrs On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:05 PM, Jay & Beverly wrote: > > > Dan, > I have the wire grip on my Lycoming powered Kitfox. Seventy > hours so > far and no signs of it letting go. I am going to use the same > system on my > Jab 3300 engine project. To me, the spring that pulls the throttle > to full > open is a hazard and will be removed. With no spring pulling there > will be > little force applied to the grip/wire junction. > > Jay C. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DanM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:55 PM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Throttle to carb connection > > >> >> I'm concerned that the method I use to secure the throttle cable >> to the > carburetor on my Jab 2200 is not sufficient or safe. Need some > opinions > before I redesign the connection. The throttle cable is connected > to an ACS > wire grip, PN 05-16000 which is then connected to the carburetor > lever. The > systems worked well but I'm concerned the wire grip may let loose > at bad > time. Any advice will be appreciated >> >> -------- >> Dan Mc Intyre >> Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150411#150411 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:41 AM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 8 inch wheels Larry: That alternative is cheaper than changing wheels, and provides additional cushion. Keep the list informed of the results! Best Regards! Jos ----- Original Message ---- From: LarryM Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 9:23:39 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 8 inch wheels Thanks Jose, I found some 800 x 6 from Carlise. I'll try those. I haven't been able to find anything larger. The big boys - Super Cub guys consider 26" small and shoot for 31 or 35". Imagine the weight not to mention the cost on those! larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150550#150550 Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:57 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection Dan- I also have the Dave Jalanti-designed lever/arm. I'm going to the hangar in about an hour and I'll shoot some pictures of mine...I already have the cowl off. As I recall building it, the internally- threaded rod has a head (forgot to mention that last night) and it slides through the Jalanti arm, with the throttle wire going through the cross hole securing the rod from going back through the arm. Then the set screws secure the wire to the rod. I'll get some pics. Lynn On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:38 AM, DanM wrote: > > Thanks for the information guys. Since Jay has been successful > with the wire grip, I may not change mine. Lynn, how is the > internally threaded rod attached to the carb lever. I can't picture > it from your comments. More on my set up, I have a ACS vernier > throttle which is connected to ACS wire grip in question, the wire > grip is then connected to a rod end which is connected to the carb > lever. I might add, the carb lever is special design and built by > Dave Jalanti. His design add more throw to carb lever which gives > more travel to the vernier throttle thus finer adjustments. Heres > some photos of my set up. > > -------- > Dan Mc Intyre > Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150562#150562 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010004_182.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010005_846.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:44 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Throttle to carb connection Hey Marco, I'm not THAT old! : ) Lynn do not archive On Dec 5, 2007, at 10:48 AM, Marco Menezes wrote: > Kinda like flying a Sopwith Camel, eh Lynn? > > do not archive > > Lynn Matteson wrote: > > I think I'd rather have the throttle go to WOT and control the plane > by using the mag switch, than to have to try to find a landing spot > with no power. What about an over-water broken throttle control? > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/440+ hrs > > > On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:05 PM, Jay & Beverly wrote: > > > > > > > Dan, > > I have the wire grip on my Lycoming powered Kitfox. Seventy > > hours so > > far and no signs of it letting go. I am going to use the same > > system on my > > Jab 3300 engine project. To me, the spring that pulls the throttle > > to full > > open is a hazard and will be removed. With no spring pulling there > > will be > > little force applied to the grip/wire junction. > > > > Jay C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "DanM" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:55 PM > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Throttle to carb connection > > > > > >> > >> I'm concerned that the method I use to secure the throttle cable > >> to the > > carburetor on my Jab 2200 is not sufficient or safe. Need some > > opinions > > before I redesign the connection. The throttle cable is connected > > to an ACS > > wire grip, PN 05-16000 which is then connected _- > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:49 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Questions about ELTs?? >I don't know if it was myth or magic, but as I recall, someone once >told me that all airliners were required to monitor 121.5. My >question is, is this a true fact and if it is, are they still doing >it? Also, do ATC facilities still monitor 121.5/243.0? The first communication I attempted after we hit the ground was on 121.5 MHz. I decided that trying the Payson airport unicom frequency might get us help more quickly, so I tuned to that frequency before I got any response. I was told later that an American Airlines crew had, in fact, heard my mayday call but I left the frequency before they could respond. I had to turn off the ELT when I tried to talk on 121.5 MHz because it did activate on impact. When I switched to the Payson frequency I turned the ELT back on. That said, I don't know if airlines crews are "required" to guard 121.5 MHz. I don't think 121.5 is going away, it's just that SARSAT is not going to monitor it any more. Mike G. N728KF Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:29 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox heater From: "akflyer" Hey Dave will you post up a few pics of the heat muff? I am getting ready to make one for my avid and dont feel the need to re-invent the wheel if you have come up with something that works well. Thanks -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150587#150587 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:42 AM PST US From: SUE MICHAELS Subject: Kitfox-List: CD player, whats cheap but works good? I'm not quite ready for the install but I have found some avionics on my wish list tough to get. On one item, there is a wait list through March of 2008. So I have become proactive to purchase before the need arises. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:32 AM PST US From: SUE MICHAELS Subject: Kitfox-List: Veitical Card Compass?? I have been looking for a Falcon Vertical Card Compass. This is on back order from every company I talk to. I would at least like to have a template of the mounting bracket supplied with the compass so I can set up an overhead mounting before the windshield install. George ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:49 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CD player, whats cheap but works good? I'd look for a cheap MP3 player rather than a CD player. MP3 players hold a lot more music, don't involve a collection of loose discs all over the cabin, are smaller, lighter, not very expensive any more, and the solid-state ones will stand up to vibration a lot better than any optical drive. I'm putting an iPod Nano in my new 'fox. Mike G. N728KF Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:01 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection From: "kcflys" Dan & Lynn, Not for sure but Lynn's description sounds a lot like the old VW throttle and heater cable connections. Do Not Archive. -------- Keith C. kitfox wannabe C-150 Rancho Cordova CA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150598#150598 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:47 AM PST US From: SUE MICHAELS Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CD player, whats cheap but works good? Good idea! Guess I need to come out of the Neanderthal age I'd look for a cheap MP3 player rather than a CD player. MP3 players hold a lot more music, don't involve a collection of loose discs all over the cabin, are smaller, lighter, not very expensive any more, and the solid-state ones will stand up to vibration a lot better than any optical drive. I'm putting an iPod Nano in my new 'fox. Mike G. N728KF Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:23 AM PST US From: "Noel R. C. Loveys" Subject: =?US-ASCII?Q?RE:_Kitfox-List:_CD_player=2C_what's_cheap_but_works_good=3F? What's cheap and works good can be two different things. Today you can probably pick up a disc player pretty cheap but they take up a fair amount of panel space and are prone to skipping. The disks also have to be carefully handled. An IPod or one of its clones has no moving parts is much smaller can go with you from the car to the plane to the boat and still be used in the home or patio. There are a number of headsets available today that have the receptacle for the IPod built in so there could be no wiring in the plane. I think that's what I would look at first. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SUE MICHAELS Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:43 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: CD player, whats cheap but works good? I'm not quite ready for the install but I have found some avionics on my wish list tough to get. On one item, there is a wait list through March of 2008. So I have become proactive to purchase before the need arises. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:54 AM PST US From: "Noel R. C. Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb Heat On the coldest frostiest days you will never get carb ice. It's just too dry. Of course Ethanol puts a new wheel on the cart when it comes to carb ice. With that cursed stuff all bets are off. On warmer days when the temperature is around the freezing mark (32F) and the relative humidity is in the 90 %s. With the humidity that high you are a good candidate for carb ice. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sbennett3@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 11:17 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb Heat In a message dated 12/3/2007 9:41:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, dave@cfisher.com writes: Any carbeurated engine can get carb ice or carb icing True, but we dont all fly in Canada. If you have Carb heat then you have one less thing to worry about not having If you need it . If you have carb heat, you better be prepared to use it cause you are always intaking colder air. Here we go again re hashing this... If I lived where I grew up near Chicago, i'd have it. Down where I live now... A different story. Steve Bennett NC hottest products and top money wasters of 2007. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:10 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CD player, whats cheap but works good? A little warning on MP3 Players. I bought an IPOD to record sound for my videos and found that hard drive based players won't work above 10,000 ft. The solid state models are fine. It seems that the rotating disc creates a layer of moving air that keeps the read/write arm from touching the disc. Above a certain altitude there isn't enough air and disc crashes are common. Mountaineers have had the same problem and there is lots of talk about it on the web. The same is true for laptops with hard drives. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Gibbs" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CD player, whats cheap but works good? > > I'd look for a cheap MP3 player rather than a CD player. MP3 players hold > a lot more music, don't involve a collection of loose discs all over the > cabin, are smaller, lighter, not very expensive any more, and the > solid-state ones will stand up to vibration a lot better than any optical > drive. I'm putting an iPod Nano in my new 'fox. > > Mike G. > N728KF > Phoenix, AZ > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:33 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CD player, whats cheap but works good? I second what Mike has posted. If you install a panel mount CD player, eventually it'll either break or go obsolete, and you'll be left with a non-standard hole in your panel. Additionally, they're heavy. Don't ask me how I know all this. Keep it simple. Deke S5, NE Michigan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CD player, whats cheap but works good? > > I'd look for a cheap MP3 player rather than a CD player. MP3 players hold > a lot more music, don't involve a collection of loose discs all over the > cabin, are smaller, lighter, not very expensive any more, and the > solid-state ones will stand up to vibration a lot better than any optical > drive. I'm putting an iPod Nano in my new 'fox. > > Mike G. > N728KF > Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:42 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection Your installation looks very good, Dan. It sure looks more rugged than mine. However, I've got over 400 hours on mine and it hasn't given up yet. I tried to find that "grip" device in the Spruce catalog, but no such luck. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/440+ hrs On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:38 AM, DanM wrote: > > Thanks for the information guys. Since Jay has been successful > with the wire grip, I may not change mine. Lynn, how is the > internally threaded rod attached to the carb lever. I can't picture > it from your comments. More on my set up, I have a ACS vernier > throttle which is connected to ACS wire grip in question, the wire > grip is then connected to a rod end which is connected to the carb > lever. I might add, the carb lever is special design and built by > Dave Jalanti. His design add more throw to carb lever which gives > more travel to the vernier throttle thus finer adjustments. 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items worth=3F Jack ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:21 PM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection Lynn: I just did the search. It is called wire grip and is located in page 149 of the ACS catalog. Jos ----- Original Message ---- From: Lynn Matteson Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 4:15:03 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection Your installation looks very good, Dan. It sure looks more rugged than mine. However, I've got over 400 hours on mine and it hasn't given up yet. I tried to find that "grip" device in the Spruce catalog, but no such luck. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/440+ hrs On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:38 AM, DanM wrote: > > Thanks for the information guys. Since Jay has been successful > with the wire grip, I may not change mine. Lynn, how is the > internally threaded rod attached to the carb lever. I can't picture > it from your comments. More on my set up, I have a ACS vernier > throttle which is connected to ACS wire grip in question, the wire > grip is then connected to a rod end which is connected to the carb > lever. I might add, the carb lever is special design and built by > Dave Jalanti. His design add more throw to carb lever which gives > more travel to the vernier throttle thus finer adjustments. Heres > some photos of my set up. > > -------- > Dan Mc Intyre > Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150562#150562 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010004_182.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010005_846.jpg > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:29 PM PST US From: "John W. Hart" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Questions about ELTs?? Welllllll, who knows what lurks in the minds of the FA&A???? But one thing I would guess at is that right now, you can do the VHF beacon for while, but as happened way back when with transponders, and 90 and 360 channel radios, they will allow a period (maybe even a few years) to continue use of the current equipment, then there will be established a date on which they will mandate all the VHF beacons be replaced with the new UHF beacons. Seems like it happens that way with all the newer electronic stuff. Back when LORAN was a popular alternative to VOR navigation, the consensus among many pilots was that there would be a time when LORAN would replace the VOR. Well, along came GPS, and now the conjecture seems to be that GPS will replace the VOR. There is already some indication that GPS will eventually replace ground-based navigation equipment. An example is the large number of the old Non-Directional Beacons used for airway navigation, fixes and approaches have already been decommissioned, and they now use GPS distances to establish fixes on quite a few terminal instrument approach procedures. You no longer are required to have an ADF installed to execute many of the approaches because you can get the same fix info from an instrument approved GPS, and the fix is indicated on the chart as a distance rather than an intersecting bearing from a NDB. In Alaska, they began using an enhanced GPS system for navigation and approaches a few years ago in the more remote areas. John Hart -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:27 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Questions about ELTs?? What is the deal with ELT monitoring? I know that come January 2009, the 121.5 frequency will not be monitored by sarsat (I think that is who monitors it now). So everyone is talking about the 406 Mhz ELT and after doing a bit or reading, it sounds like this is the way to go. Does anyone know if the FAA will require that everyone install a 406 ELT or can we still meet the requirement (after January 2009) with an old 121.5 ELT? I am all for safety but I would actually prefer to install a 121.5 ELT and then carry my MicroFix 406 PLB on my person. If for some crazy reason I have to ditch or my plane burns up after a crash and I manage to get out, it would be nice to have the PLB on me not in my burning or sinking plane. I don't mind spending the money on the unit but I think my option described above is better for me. So back to the question...is this going to b mandatory that we change to the 406 ELT or will a 121.5 ELT work? -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 (under Construction) 914 Turbo Ogden, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150522#150522 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:02 PM PST US From: "John W. Hart" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Questions about ELTs?? There has been a number of pilots in the Alaska back country who have had their bacon saved by airliners and military aircraft monitoring 121.5 MHZ over the years. The military (at least when I was flying in it 25 years ago) usually monitored both 121.5 MHZ and 243.0 MHZ on all flights unless mission requirements prevented it. John Hart -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Questions about ELTs?? >I don't know if it was myth or magic, but as I recall, someone once >told me that all airliners were required to monitor 121.5. My >question is, is this a true fact and if it is, are they still doing >it? Also, do ATC facilities still monitor 121.5/243.0? The first communication I attempted after we hit the ground was on 121.5 MHz. I decided that trying the Payson airport unicom frequency might get us help more quickly, so I tuned to that frequency before I got any response. I was told later that an American Airlines crew had, in fact, heard my mayday call but I left the frequency before they could respond. I had to turn off the ELT when I tried to talk on 121.5 MHz because it did activate on impact. When I switched to the Payson frequency I turned the ELT back on. That said, I don't know if airlines crews are "required" to guard 121.5 MHz. I don't think 121.5 is going away, it's just that SARSAT is not going to monitor it any more. Mike G. N728KF Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:39 PM PST US From: GONER752@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Veitical Card Compass?? George, You must be referring to the non-tso'd unit. 3yrs. ago I tried to order one from A.C. Spruce, it was on b.o. then. I checked the order for weeks and then months. It never has come into stock.I don't know what the deal is. I guess if we want a vert. card, it'll have to be the more expensive(of course) PAI. If you do happen to find the falcon, please let me know. Greg G. Macedon, N.Y. 23NK n375KL Mod 2 582 do not archive **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:22 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Questions about ELTs?? From: "darinh" John, I think you are correct. The FAA may allow the use of the 121.5 ELTs for a while but I would bet they will eventually require that everyone change to a new system. It looks like the new system will be 406 ELTs but the question is for how long. I will just go with the 406 and call it good. Do Not Archive -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 (under Construction) 914 Turbo Ogden, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150658#150658 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:03 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CD player, whats cheap but works good? At 09:13 AM 12/5/2007, you wrote: >I'm not quite ready for the install but I have found some avionics >on my wish list tough to get. I use an Ipod Nano connected to my intercom via a standard three pole mini-plug on the center console. Next to the mini-plug I have a 12V DC coax jack for power, since the Ipod will only run about 8-10 hours on one charge. The Nano contains about 3.6 days of music. (That's 86 hours.) Running it through the SPA-400 intercom gives me all the options: both, none, passenger only, pilot only. (The passenger can listen to music only while the pilot listens to ATC only, too.) Any solid state MP3 should work just as well. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:35 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CD player, whats cheap but works good? From: "kitfoxmike" This is my take. If you put in a mp3 player by itself, the volume will be too low. So, I installed a car stereo with input capability. I didn't put it into the panel, instead I put it in the ceiling, on the right side, what is also great ,I put my magnetic Gps entenna on top of the radio, stuck it right to it. The mp3 player, not a cheapy and works real nice, I got a sansa, so far I have 170 songs on it. I'm very happy with what I have. Oh, one more thing, I put my transponder on the left side above my head. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying enough" Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150670#150670 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:43 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection Thanks, Jose...I went there and nothing, but wandering a little further I found it on page 159 of both of my Spruce (ACS?) catalogs... 2006-2007 and 2007-2008. Do you have an older catalog, or is ACS not Aircraft Spruce? I'm not being picky, but I've never been able to equate ACS with Aircraft Spruce and Specialty Co....the letters just don't seem to come out right. That item seems like a nice way to terminate a control wire. Lynn On Dec 5, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote: > > > Lynn: > > I just did the search. It is called wire grip and is located in > page 149 of the ACS catalog. > > Jos > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lynn Matteson > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 4:15:03 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection > > > Your installation looks very good, Dan. It sure looks more rugged > than mine. However, I've got over 400 hours on mine and it hasn't > given up yet. I tried to find that "grip" device in the Spruce > catalog, but no such luck. > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/440+ hrs > > > On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:38 AM, DanM wrote: > >> >> Thanks for the information guys. Since Jay has been successful >> with the wire grip, I may not change mine. Lynn, how is the >> internally threaded rod attached to the carb lever. I can't picture >> it from your comments. More on my set up, I have a ACS vernier >> throttle which is connected to ACS wire grip in question, the wire >> grip is then connected to a rod end which is connected to the carb >> lever. I might add, the carb lever is special design and built by >> Dave Jalanti. His design add more throw to carb lever which gives >> more travel to the vernier throttle thus finer adjustments. Heres >> some photos of my set up. >> >> -------- >> Dan Mc Intyre >> Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150562#150562 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010004_182.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010005_846.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:54 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Fwd: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection > > Here's an attempt at posting pictures of my throttle to carb > connection. I had forgotten just exactly how I did the final design > until I looked at it again. Now I seem to remember tht there was a > part in the "lawn mower throttle" bin at my local hardware store. > It is no more than a short bolt, unthreaded, with a hole going > through it lengthwise, threaded to 8-32 as I recall, with a hole > drilled crossways to allow the control wire to go through. A set > screw from both ends of the "bolt" holds the control wire in place. > I had tried several methods for the "bolt" so I couldn't recall > which I ended up using. > > The contraption behind the Jalanti throttle arm is a hollow > adjustable-length device that I use as a secondary idle stop. The > Bing idle stop is made of soft metal, maybe aluminum, and deflects > easily if the throttle is jammed too hard to achieve idle speed. > Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/440+ hrs > > >> >> Dan & Lynn, >> Not for sure but Lynn's description sounds a lot like the old VW >> throttle and heater cable connections. >> >> Do Not Archive.-------- >> Keith C. >> kitfox wannabe >> C-150 >> Rancho Cordova CA >> ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:15 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Kitfox-List: throttle to carb connection Here's my 3rd and last attempt at posting pictures of my throttle to carb connection...the first two were rejected as being too large. I've cropped to this size...hope it works. I had forgotten just exactly how I did the final design until I looked at it again. Now I seem to remember tht there was a part in the "lawn mower throttle" bin at my local hardware store. It is no more than a short bolt, unthreaded externally, with a hole going through it lengthwise, threaded to 8-32 as I recall, with a hole drilled crossways to allow the control wire to go through. A set screw from both ends of the "bolt" holds the control wire in place. I had tried several methods for the "bolt" so I couldn't recall which I ended up using. The contraption behind the Jalanti throttle arm is a hollow adjustable-length device that I use as a secondary idle stop. The Bing idle stop is made of soft metal, maybe aluminum, and deflects easily if the throttle is jammed too hard to achieve idle speed. Such a device has been recommended by at least one of the Jabiru dealers as necessary to avoid bending the Bing idle stop bracket. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/440+ hrs ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:52 PM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection Lynn: AirCraft Spruce. They sell many parts with the ACS brand. Two of those are the ignition switch and the gascolator. I found the wire grip searching on their website. The pdf I got shows page 149. I also have the adapter from Dave Jalanti, and have been thinking about doing exactly what you did. However, the wire grip looks elegant... Jose ----- Original Message ---- From: Lynn Matteson Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 9:50:41 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection Thanks, Jose...I went there and nothing, but wandering a little further I found it on page 159 of both of my Spruce (ACS?) catalogs... 2006-2007 and 2007-2008. Do you have an older catalog, or is ACS not Aircraft Spruce? I'm not being picky, but I've never been able to equate ACS with Aircraft Spruce and Specialty Co....the letters just don't seem to come out right. That item seems like a nice way to terminate a control wire. Lynn On Dec 5, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote: > > > Lynn: > > I just did the search. It is called wire grip and is located in > page 149 of the ACS catalog. > > Jos > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lynn Matteson > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 4:15:03 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection > > > Your installation looks very good, Dan. It sure looks more rugged > than mine. However, I've got over 400 hours on mine and it hasn't > given up yet. I tried to find that "grip" device in the Spruce > catalog, but no such luck. > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/440+ hrs > > > On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:38 AM, DanM wrote: > >> >> Thanks for the information guys. Since Jay has been successful >> with the wire grip, I may not change mine. Lynn, how is the >> internally threaded rod attached to the carb lever. I can't picture >> it from your comments. More on my set up, I have a ACS vernier >> throttle which is connected to ACS wire grip in question, the wire >> grip is then connected to a rod end which is connected to the carb >> lever. I might add, the carb lever is special design and built by >> Dave Jalanti. His design add more throw to carb lever which gives >> more travel to the vernier throttle thus finer adjustments. Heres >> some photos of my set up. >> >> -------- >> Dan Mc Intyre >> Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150562#150562 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010004_182.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010005_846.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:39 PM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CD player, whats cheap but works good? Lowell sez: >A little warning on MP3 Players. I bought an IPOD to record sound >for my videos and found that hard drive based players won't work >above 10,000 ft. I can confirm this as well. I brought my 3rd generation iPod with me on an IFR flight from Phoenix to Denver in the Turbo Arrow. At FL190 it powered up but the hard drive did not function at all. As soon as it was below about 12,000 feet it was fine again. That's why I got a Nano for the Kitfox, it's solid-state. Mike G. N728KF Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:37 PM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CD player, whats cheap but works good? kitfoxmike sez: >If you put in a mp3 player by itself, the volume will be too low. >So, I installed a car stereo with input capability. You need to make sure you are using a line-level output from the MP3 player, not the headphone jack. If your MP3 player doesn't have a line-level jack, places like Radio Shack sell small adapters that can fix the problem for a lot less weight, size and cost. Mike G. N728KF Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:02 PM PST US From: SUE MICHAELS Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Questions about ELTs?? Darin, The best price I found recently was through Pacific-Coast Avionics. You need to call and tell them you want a good price. The Artex 406Mhz also transmits on 121.5. Artex is located at the same airport as pacific-Coast darinh wrote: John, I think you are correct. The FAA may allow the use of the 121.5 ELTs for a while but I would bet they will eventually require that everyone change to a new system. It looks like the new system will be 406 ELTs but the question is for how long. I will just go with the 406 and call it good. 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