---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/06/07: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:03 AM - Matronics List Fund Raiser - 2007 List of Contributors (Matt Dralle) 2. 12:09 AM - Re: throttle to carb connection (Michel Verheughe) 3. 02:57 AM - Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (dave) 4. 04:34 AM - Re: Classic 4 items (tc9008@aol.com) 5. 04:40 AM - Throttle to carb connection (fox5flyer) 6. 05:16 AM - Re: Throttle to carb connection (Jose M. Toro) 7. 05:48 AM - Classic 4 items (Southern Skies) 8. 06:09 AM - Throttle to carb connection (fox5flyer) 9. 06:15 AM - Throttle to carb connection (fox5flyer) 10. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: Questions about ELTs?? (Dan Billingsley) 11. 07:10 AM - Re: Throttle to carb connection (Lynn Matteson) 12. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Questions about ELTs?? (Michael Gibbs) 13. 07:55 AM - Re: Throttle to carb connection (Michael Gibbs) 14. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (Guy Buchanan) 15. 09:58 AM - Re: Throttle to carb connection (DanM) 16. 10:37 AM - Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (dave) 17. 11:13 AM - Re: Left Rudder on 582 powered Kitfox II (Noel R. C. Loveys) 18. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (Michel Verheughe) 19. 01:03 PM - Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (dave) 20. 01:04 PM - Re: Left Rudder on 582 powered Kitfox II (Jose M. Toro) 21. 01:05 PM - Kf5 landing gear (Hartin, John) 22. 01:57 PM - Kitfox 8" wheels (eskflyer) 23. 02:48 PM - Re: CD player, whats cheap but works good? (Clint Bazzill) 24. 03:06 PM - Re: Left Rudder on 582 powered Kitfox II (Clint Bazzill) 25. 03:52 PM - Re: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents (Clint Bazzill) 26. 04:21 PM - Re: Left Rudder on 582 powered Kitfox II (Lynn Matteson) 27. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: Questions about ELTs?? (Noel R. C. Loveys) 28. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: Throttle to carb connection (Lynn Matteson) 29. 04:58 PM - Re: Throttle to carb connection (Lynn Matteson) 30. 07:33 PM - Re: Throttle to carb connection (Michael Gibbs) 31. 07:37 PM - Need KFIV wings (ron schick) 32. 07:46 PM - VW update (ron schick) 33. 08:40 PM - Re: New to the Community again ...... () 34. 11:25 PM - Re: VW update (JC Propeller Design) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:48 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kitfox-List: Matronics List Fund Raiser - 2007 List of Contributors Dear Listers, I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists this year! It was really nice to hear all great comments people had regarding the Lists! As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a labor of love. Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser underscores the great sentiments people have made regarding the Lists. If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please feel free to do so. The great List Fund Raiser gifts will be available on the Contribution site for just a little while longer, so hurry and make your Contribution and get your great gift! Once again, the URL for the Contribution web site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of discounted merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated! And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2007 List of Contributors current as of 12/6/07! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser! THANK YOU! http://www.matronics.com/loc/2007.html I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be shipped via US Postal Service. Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:11 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: throttle to carb connection > From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net] > Here's my 3rd and last attempt at posting pictures Lynn, your photos came through but with extra files. Those extras are the resource part, including thumbnails, from your Macintosh formatting. To avoid that, select your file, press Apple+I, click the thumbnail in the Info window of the file then click Delete. Your file icon will now be without thumbnail but the file will be smaller and more 'PC-friendly.' Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Do not archive
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:10 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents From: "dave" Here is another "stall type " accident Cannot emphasize enough to get more training done, quite obvious that planes are wrecked and pilots/passengers are getting injuries and dying needlessly. LAX08CA022 On October 28, 2007, about 1715 Pacific standard time, an experimental Bagnall Kitfox Lite 2, N46361, impacted the Columbia River 8 nautical miles southwest of North Bonneville, Washington. The owner was operating the airplane under the provisions of 14 CFR Part 91. The sport pilot and one passenger were not injured. The airplane was substantially damaged. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed, and no flight plan had been filed. The local flight departed Sandy River Airport, Sandy, Oregon, about 1640. The approximate global positioning system (GPS) coordinates of the primary wreckage were 45 degrees 35 minutes north latitude and 122 degrees 08 minutes west longitude. The pilot stated in the Pilot/Operator Aircraft Accident Report, that when he approached Skamania Island, he spotted a suitable location on the sand to practice emergency landings. He was about 10 feet above the sand when he started his climb to the west. Approaching the end of the island he saw a boat to the southwest. The pilot further stated there was a reflection of the sun on the water restricting his visibility. About 75 feet above ground level, the pilot maneuvered to the right to avoid flying too close to the boat. The pilot felt an indication of a stall and lowered the nose of the airplane. The airplane impacted the Columbia River, which shattered the windshield and popped open both doors. The airplane sank immediately; the crew egressed and swam ashore. On October 29, 2007 the airplane was recovered from 30 feet of water. The airplane suffered bent wing spars, destroyed engine cowling, and water damage to the entire airplane. The pilot stated that the airplane and engine had no mechanical failures or malfunctions during the flight.[/b] -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150771#150771 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic 4 items From: tc9008@aol.com I am interested in these items. Travis Kitfox lV -----Original Message----- From: Jacques Voynaud Sent: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 3:47 pm Subject: Kitfox-List: Classic 4 items I have a few items i would like to get rid of and have no idea of their value on the market. I have a set of tube landing gear with the bungees and a set of the 8 inches aluminium wheels with ATV tires mounted on for a C-4. Anyone can tell me how much these items worth? Jack ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:16 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Throttle to carb connection My NSI Subaru uses two of these wire grips, one for the carb heat, and one for the mixture control. They seem to work very well, but you need to keep an eye on them. One thing they do when gripping the wire is they put a bunch of little cuts into it from the gripping jaws. One day when I pulled the carb heat knob it came all the way out, not stopping at the usual 3 inches. When I later inspected the wire I found that it broke off right at the point where the gripping cuts were. I use good quality Boden Cables too. Not a real big deal for carb heat. However, the other wire grip on the mixture control is the one that bothers me. If it broke, my mixture would go to full lean which will allow the engine to run at cruise rpm and lower, but not at climb power, the worst place. If it broke at this point, it could be a real problem. I solved that by adding a spring to the mixture arm that, if the cable were to break, the arm would go to full rich. My suggestion is that if you use them, don't put one on the throttle cable. Not a good place for something that needs to be nearly 100 percent reliable. There is a better connector for the throttle control and I'll try to find it and post to the list. Deke Morisse S5/Subaru NE Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jose M. Toro" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:59 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection > > Lynn: > > AirCraft Spruce. They sell many parts with the ACS brand. Two of those > are the ignition switch and the gascolator. > > I found the wire grip searching on their website. The pdf I got shows > page 149. > > I also have the adapter from Dave Jalanti, and have been thinking about > doing exactly what you did. However, the wire grip looks elegant... > > Jose > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lynn Matteson > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 9:50:41 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection > > > Thanks, Jose...I went there and nothing, but wandering a little > further I found it on page 159 of both of my Spruce (ACS?) catalogs... > 2006-2007 and 2007-2008. Do you have an older catalog, or is ACS not > Aircraft Spruce? I'm not being picky, but I've never been able to > equate ACS with Aircraft Spruce and Specialty Co....the letters just > don't seem to come out right. > > That item seems like a nice way to terminate a control wire. > > Lynn > > On Dec 5, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote: > >> >> >> Lynn: >> >> I just did the search. It is called wire grip and is located in >> page 149 of the ACS catalog. >> >> Jos >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Lynn Matteson >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 4:15:03 PM >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection >> >> >> Your installation looks very good, Dan. It sure looks more rugged >> than mine. However, I've got over 400 hours on mine and it hasn't >> given up yet. I tried to find that "grip" device in the Spruce >> catalog, but no such luck. >> >> Lynn Matteson >> Grass Lake, Michigan >> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 >> flying w/440+ hrs >> >> >> >> On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:38 AM, DanM wrote: >> >>> >>> Thanks for the information guys. Since Jay has been successful >>> with the wire grip, I may not change mine. Lynn, how is the >>> internally threaded rod attached to the carb lever. I can't picture >>> it from your comments. More on my set up, I have a ACS vernier >>> throttle which is connected to ACS wire grip in question, the wire >>> grip is then connected to a rod end which is connected to the carb >>> lever. I might add, the carb lever is special design and built by >>> Dave Jalanti. His design add more throw to carb lever which gives >>> more travel to the vernier throttle thus finer adjustments. Heres >>> some photos of my set up. >>> >>> -------- >>> Dan Mc Intyre >>> Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150562#150562 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attachments: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010004_182.jpg >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010005_846.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// >> mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:29 AM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Throttle to carb connection Deke: This is a very valuable advice. Thanks! Jos Toro My suggestion is that if you use them (wire grip), don't put one on the throttle cable. Not a good place for something that needs to be nearly 100 percent reliable. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jose M. Toro" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:59 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection > > Lynn: > > AirCraft Spruce. They sell many parts with the ACS brand. Two of those > are the ignition switch and the gascolator. > > I found the wire grip searching on their website. The pdf I got shows > page 149. > > I also have the adapter from Dave Jalanti, and have been thinking about > doing exactly what you did. However, the wire grip looks elegant... > > Jose > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lynn Matteson > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 9:50:41 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection > > > Thanks, Jose...I went there and nothing, but wandering a little > further I found it on page 159 of both of my Spruce (ACS?) catalogs... > 2006-2007 and 2007-2008. Do you have an older catalog, or is ACS not > Aircraft Spruce? I'm not being picky, but I've never been able to > equate ACS with Aircraft Spruce and Specialty Co....the letters just > don't seem to come out right. > > That item seems like a nice way to terminate a control wire. > > Lynn > > On Dec 5, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote: > >> >> >> Lynn: >> >> I just did the search. It is called wire grip and is located in >> page 149 of the ACS catalog. >> >> Jos >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Lynn Matteson >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 4:15:03 PM >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection >> >> >> Your installation looks very good, Dan. It sure looks more rugged >> than mine. However, I've got over 400 hours on mine and it hasn't >> given up yet. I tried to find that "grip" device in the Spruce >> catalog, but no such luck. >> >> Lynn Matteson >> Grass Lake, Michigan >> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 >> flying w/440+ hrs >> >> >> >> On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:38 AM, DanM wrote: >> >>> >>> Thanks for the information guys. Since Jay has been successful >>> with the wire grip, I may not change mine. Lynn, how is the >>> internally threaded rod attached to the carb lever. I can't picture >>> it from your comments. More on my set up, I have a ACS vernier >>> throttle which is connected to ACS wire grip in question, the wire >>> grip is then connected to a rod end which is connected to the carb >>> lever. I might add, the carb lever is special design and built by >>> Dave Jalanti. His design add more throw to carb lever which gives >>> more travel to the vernier throttle thus finer adjustments. Heres >>> some photos of my set up. >>> >>> -------- >>> Dan Mc Intyre >>> Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150562#150562 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attachments: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010004_182.jpg >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010005_846.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// >> mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:28 AM PST US From: Southern Skies Subject: Kitfox-List: Classic 4 items Jaques- I tried to e-mail you privately but mail was returned by Spam Catcher. I am looking for a set of 8 inch ATV wheels that will accept my Matco Brake Rotors (original Kit Wheels)-might need Axles too, currently have 3/4 inch Axles. Do you have the lugs welded on to accept the 7 and 1/2 inch Matco brake rotors? I currently have the 6 inch Matcos wheels/brakes and want to convert to 8 inch Tundra Tires. Please tell me what you have and I will make an offer. Perhaps give a different e-mail address so we can take this off the list? Thanks! Chris Kitfox 3 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:37 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Throttle to carb connection Here are a couple more options. The one I'm actually looking for is a small ball joint that has built in redundancy. I know ACS sells it, but I can't find it. Deke S5, NE Michigan http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/balljoint.php http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/search.php ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jose M. Toro" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:59 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection > > Lynn: > > AirCraft Spruce. They sell many parts with the ACS brand. Two of those > are the ignition switch and the gascolator. > > I found the wire grip searching on their website. The pdf I got shows > page 149. > > I also have the adapter from Dave Jalanti, and have been thinking about > doing exactly what you did. However, the wire grip looks elegant... > > Jose > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lynn Matteson > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 9:50:41 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection > > > Thanks, Jose...I went there and nothing, but wandering a little > further I found it on page 159 of both of my Spruce (ACS?) catalogs... > 2006-2007 and 2007-2008. Do you have an older catalog, or is ACS not > Aircraft Spruce? I'm not being picky, but I've never been able to > equate ACS with Aircraft Spruce and Specialty Co....the letters just > don't seem to come out right. > > That item seems like a nice way to terminate a control wire. > > Lynn > > On Dec 5, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote: > >> >> >> Lynn: >> >> I just did the search. It is called wire grip and is located in >> page 149 of the ACS catalog. >> >> Jos >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Lynn Matteson >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 4:15:03 PM >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection >> >> >> Your installation looks very good, Dan. It sure looks more rugged >> than mine. However, I've got over 400 hours on mine and it hasn't >> given up yet. I tried to find that "grip" device in the Spruce >> catalog, but no such luck. >> >> Lynn Matteson >> Grass Lake, Michigan >> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 >> flying w/440+ hrs >> >> >> >> On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:38 AM, DanM wrote: >> >>> >>> Thanks for the information guys. Since Jay has been successful >>> with the wire grip, I may not change mine. Lynn, how is the >>> internally threaded rod attached to the carb lever. I can't picture >>> it from your comments. More on my set up, I have a ACS vernier >>> throttle which is connected to ACS wire grip in question, the wire >>> grip is then connected to a rod end which is connected to the carb >>> lever. I might add, the carb lever is special design and built by >>> Dave Jalanti. His design add more throw to carb lever which gives >>> more travel to the vernier throttle thus finer adjustments. Heres >>> some photos of my set up. >>> >>> -------- >>> Dan Mc Intyre >>> Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150562#150562 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attachments: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010004_182.jpg >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010005_846.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// >> mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:12 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Throttle to carb connection Well, we could call it ASS, but I don't think Aircraft Spruce and Specialty would be real quick to change their acronym. :-) Deke do not archive > > Thanks, Jose...I went there and nothing, but wandering a little further I > found it on page 159 of both of my Spruce (ACS?) catalogs... 2006-2007 and > 2007-2008. Do you have an older catalog, or is ACS not Aircraft Spruce? > I'm not being picky, but I've never been able to equate ACS with Aircraft > Spruce and Specialty Co....the letters just don't seem to come out right. > > That item seems like a nice way to terminate a control wire. > > Lynn > > On Dec 5, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote: > >> >> >> Lynn: >> >> I just did the search. It is called wire grip and is located in page >> 149 of the ACS catalog. >> >> Jos >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Lynn Matteson >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 4:15:03 PM >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection >> >> >> Your installation looks very good, Dan. It sure looks more rugged >> than mine. However, I've got over 400 hours on mine and it hasn't >> given up yet. I tried to find that "grip" device in the Spruce >> catalog, but no such luck. >> >> Lynn Matteson >> Grass Lake, Michigan >> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 >> flying w/440+ hrs >> >> >> >> On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:38 AM, DanM wrote: >> >>> >>> Thanks for the information guys. Since Jay has been successful >>> with the wire grip, I may not change mine. Lynn, how is the >>> internally threaded rod attached to the carb lever. I can't picture >>> it from your comments. More on my set up, I have a ACS vernier >>> throttle which is connected to ACS wire grip in question, the wire >>> grip is then connected to a rod end which is connected to the carb >>> lever. I might add, the carb lever is special design and built by >>> Dave Jalanti. His design add more throw to carb lever which gives >>> more travel to the vernier throttle thus finer adjustments. Heres >>> some photos of my set up. >>> >>> -------- >>> Dan Mc Intyre >>> Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150562#150562 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attachments: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010004_182.jpg >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010005_846.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// >> mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Questions about ELTs?? From: "Dan Billingsley" Someone previously mentioned the SPOT system. http://www.globalcomsatphone.com/spot/service.html I have looked at this tool and see it as not a backup but a primary locating system. It is a Satellite system that will track your unit whenever it is turned on, yet this is oly the beginning...as it tracks your unit, it transmits a location every 10 minutes to a mapping service that can be viewed on the internet. So if your significant other pulls up the internet map, little "spots" of where you have traveled (spaced every 10 minutes) inicate positions. The cost is about $150 for the unit and service is around $100 per year. Not bad to give the wife that peace of mind. Those that prefer to stay under the wife radar need not apply ;>) Dan B Kitfox IV, Covering Mesa, AZ > Darin, > > The best price I found recently was through Pacific-Coast Avionics. You > need to call and tell them you want a good price. The Artex 406Mhz also > transmits on 121.5. Artex is located at the same airport as > pacific-Coast > > darinh wrote: > > John, > > I think you are correct. The FAA may allow the use of the 121.5 ELTs for a > while but I would bet they will eventually require that everyone change to > a new system. It looks like the new system will be 406 ELTs but the > question is for how long. I will just go with the 406 and call it good. > > Do Not Archive > > -------- > Darin Hawkes > Series 7 (under Construction) > 914 Turbo > Ogden, Utah > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150658#150658 > > Industrial Tech. Skyline High School The sky is not the limit... It's only the beginning. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:44 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Throttle to carb connection Actually, they call themselves Aircraft Spruce & Specialty COMPANY, so ASSC or ASS Company might work. Come to think of it, ASS Company is sometimes very descriptive of how they work, especially in the catalog department. Ok, I'll get on the bandwagon with everybody else and accept ACS, but it ruffles my anal feathers to break the word "aircraft" into two words....but that's just me. Lynn do not archive On Dec 6, 2007, at 9:11 AM, fox5flyer wrote: > > > Well, we could call it ASS, but I don't think Aircraft Spruce and > Specialty would be real quick to change their acronym. :-) > Deke > do not archive > > >> >> Thanks, Jose...I went there and nothing, but wandering a little >> further I found it on page 159 of both of my Spruce (ACS?) >> catalogs... 2006-2007 and 2007-2008. Do you have an older catalog, >> or is ACS not Aircraft Spruce? I'm not being picky, but I've >> never been able to equate ACS with Aircraft Spruce and Specialty >> Co....the letters just don't seem to come out right. >> >> That item seems like a nice way to terminate a control wire. >> >> Lynn >> >> On Dec 5, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Lynn: >>> >>> I just did the search. It is called wire grip and is located in >>> page 149 of the ACS catalog. >>> >>> Jos >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Lynn Matteson >>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 4:15:03 PM >>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection >>> >>> >>> Your installation looks very good, Dan. It sure looks more rugged >>> than mine. However, I've got over 400 hours on mine and it hasn't >>> given up yet. I tried to find that "grip" device in the Spruce >>> catalog, but no such luck. >>> >>> Lynn Matteson >>> Grass Lake, Michigan >>> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 >>> flying w/440+ hrs >>> >>> >>> >>> On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:38 AM, DanM wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for the information guys. Since Jay has been successful >>>> with the wire grip, I may not change mine. Lynn, how is the >>>> internally threaded rod attached to the carb lever. I can't picture >>>> it from your comments. More on my set up, I have a ACS vernier >>>> throttle which is connected to ACS wire grip in question, the wire >>>> grip is then connected to a rod end which is connected to the carb >>>> lever. I might add, the carb lever is special design and built by >>>> Dave Jalanti. His design add more throw to carb lever which gives >>>> more travel to the vernier throttle thus finer adjustments. Heres >>>> some photos of my set up. >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> Dan Mc Intyre >>>> Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150562#150562 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Attachments: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010004_182.jpg >>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010005_846.jpg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Be a better friend, newshound, and >>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// >>> mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:23 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Questions about ELTs?? Dan sez: >...Not bad to give the wife that peace of mind. Those that prefer to >stay under the wife radar need not apply ;>) So, you can give it to one of your buddies to make her think you are where you are supposed to be instead of where you really are. Unless your buddy wants to go where you aren't supposed to be... :-) Mike G. N728KF Phoenix, AZ Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:59 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Throttle to carb connection Lynn sez: >...it ruffles my anal feathers to break the word "aircraft" into two words... Tell your feathers to relax, Lynn. According to Kiktionary.com , the term comes from a "craft" that operates in the "air". "Air + craft" is the listed etymology. Mike G. N728KF Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:37 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents At 02:56 AM 12/6/2007, you wrote: >The airplane impacted the Columbia River, which shattered the >windshield and popped open both doors. The airplane sank immediately; I always wondered if a Kitfox would float very long. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:10 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection From: "DanM" Lynn, I looked for your photos, but can't find them. I would like to see your setup. It sounds like I may need to change my setup from some of the comments, good information. By the way. the ASC thing, I just made it up--- Air Craft Spruce, didn't know it would cause so many comments` -------- Dan Mc Intyre Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150820#150820 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:15 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents From: "dave" > At 02:56 AM 12/6/2007, you wrote: > Quote: > The airplane impacted the Columbia River, which shattered the > windshield and popped open both doors. The airplane sank immediately; > > > I always wondered if a Kitfox would float very long. > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > Do not archive what is bouyant in the Kitfox other than trapped air > ? - wood ribs , false ribs -empty fuel tanks till the pitot allows water in. - seat cushions? -tires - likely Kingfox a little more bouyant :) :) -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150825#150825 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:20 AM PST US From: "Noel R. C. Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Left Rudder on 582 powered Kitfox II You got it... for feet off flying your fixed tab, like mine, is only really sweet at one power setting, speed, attitude set up. The easiest way I can think of to install an adjustable tab without opening the rudder would be to put the hinge, as you said, outside the trailing edge of the rudder. Then put a bell crank on the tab and a standoff to hold the cable in place on the main pipe of the rudder. The cable should be routed down into the fuselage at an angle to give flex room to operate the rudder without binding on the cable. What I'm suggesting is to use an inner outer cable like on bicycle brakes only heavier. (Also used by the Super Cub.) It wouldn't be pretty but it would work. If you don't mind re-skinning the rudder you could install an electric actuator inside the rudder and actuate the same tab as mentioned before. Small electrical control wires can be routed through drilled holes in the main pipe and be nicely hidden. This would make for a much cleaner professional looking job. The best method is the one already dismissed.... Get out the welding torch. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:08 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Left Rudder on 582 powered Kitfox II > > > Noel- > Maybe I didn't explain my situation well enough. I know that the tab > is there just to move the control surface, not to BE the flight > surface. In the case of a fixed tab, that is, a ground-adjustable > tab, is to move, in this case the rudder, to a position that will > allow at a chosen speed, "hands off" or as I described it earlier, > "foot off" flying. The reason that I mentioned the "airspeed, prop > pitch and a few other factors" was that if you set your ground > adjustable tab it will only work to keep the rudder at a particular > position at a particular speed. At least this is the case that I have > found with my bendable, ground-adjustable rudder tab. After I > installed my tab, I made a couple of flights, adjusting the amount of > deflection after each landing. Since then I have left it alone, but > noticed that maybe a little bit more bend will perfect the setting, > but as I understand it, this perfect setting will only keep the plane > straight at a very narrow speed range...is this correct? > > As to my thoughts for the cabin-adjustable control of the rudder tab, > I was thinking that a cable-controlled tab, hinged outside of course, > with a large enough radius in the cable to allow for rudder movement > would do the job. My present tab is riveted to the rear of the rudder > weldment. When I made the tab, I made it conform to the shape of the > tubing, so that I would get the most surface contact with the tubing, > allowing for the ability to bend the tab without just flexing the > rivets that hold it on. If and when I decide to make the tab cabin- > controlled, I'll drill out the rivets, cut the tab at the proper > hinge point, and reassemble the newly hinged tab back onto the rudder > weldment. Routing and attaching the cable will be the most difficult > part of the job as I see it. > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/440+ hrs > > > > On Dec 3, 2007, at 11:00 AM, Noel R. C. Loveys wrote: > > > > > > > Lynn: > > The job of the tab is to move the primary flight control not be a > > primary > > flight control. That means that your tab has to be able to move your > > rudder. You no doubt can put an exterior tab on the rudder but I > > expect you > > will have to put the actuating equipment inside the rudder itself. > > That > > could be done from one side of the rudder. Hinging the tab outside > > behind > > the rudder could save some welding. > > > > BTW for the benefit of the crowd who haven't installed or adjusted > > a tab. > > The tab has to be turned into the direction of the control you > > want. E.g. > > to assist left pedal, turn the tab to the right which in turn will > > push the > > rudder left. Kind of like leaning into a left hook. > > > > > > > > > > Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern > > Campbellton, Newfoundland, > > Canada > > Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA > > Aerocet 1100s > > noelloveys@yahoo.ca > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox- > >> list- > >> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson > >> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 4:20 PM > >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Left Rudder on 582 powered Kitfox II > >> > >> > >> I put a fixed rudder tab on my Jab-powered 'fox, and it still > >> requires a tiny bit of left rudder pressure, which means that some > >> slight adjustment will be required to compensate. And that would be > >> at only one particular airspeed, as I see it. Before I installed it, > >> much more rudder was needed. It seems to me that it's probably a > >> combo of airspeed, prop pitch, and a few other factors that all have > >> to align before a fixed tab would result in a "foot off" flying > >> experience. I'm still thinking about a cabin-adjustable tab that I > >> could build without resorting to cutting and welding the rudder, or > >> disturbing the fabric and paint. > >> > >> Lynn Matteson > >> Grass Lake, Michigan > >> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > >> flying w/440+ hrs > >> > >> > >> > >> On Dec 2, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Dec 2, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote: > >>>> The plane now has a new owner, and he has been told by other > >>>> experienced pilot that the pedals should be neutral during > >>>> cruise. Is it this normal behavior for a Kitfox II? > >>> > >>> I was cruising the 582 with a foot slightly on the left pedal, > >>> Jos. Now, with the Jabiru, I fly with a foot slightly on the right > >>> pedal. I guess you'll need some pedal correction with any single > >>> engine aircraft unless you had a fixed rudder tab. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Michel Verheughe > >>> Norway > >>> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:19:06 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents On Dec 6, 2007, at 7:34 PM, dave wrote: > what is bouyant in the Kitfox other than trapped air > ? > - wood ribs , false ribs > -empty fuel tanks till the pitot allows water in. > - seat cushions? > -tires - likely Kingfox a little more bouyant :) Buoyancy? I was once considering filling the fuselage with those inflatable dolls, you know ... ... Okay, I'll shut up! :-) Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:43 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents From: "dave" now that would be a you tube Kitfox Video !! LOLLLLLLLLLLL -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150849#150849 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:17 PM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Left Rudder on 582 powered Kitfox II Noel: I want to add that this power setting will change with temperature, altitude, weight, wind direction, etc., and corresponding speed will also change. Due to gas consumption, weight is continuously decreasing. This implies that this unique power setting needs to be revised periodically to keep the plane flying "feet off". Ok, maybe I got too technical...or even philosophical... Jos Noel Lovey wrote: "You got it... for feet off flying your fixed tab, like mine, is only really sweet at one power setting, speed, attitude set up". Looking for last minute shopping deals? ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:45 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Kf5 landing gear From: "Hartin, John" I have a new right side landing gear that I have no use for. White powder coat, will be happy to let go for cost of shipping an a contribution to this list. Make offer. I will get shipping quote on request. I am located in Acampo ca if you want to pick up John Hartin -------------------------------------------------------- Important Notice to Recipients: It is important that you do not use e-mail to request, authorize or effect the purchase or sale of any security or commodity, to send fund transfer instructions, or to effect any other transactions. Any such request, orders, or instructions that you send will not be accepted and will not be processed by Morgan Stanley. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:23 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 8" wheels From: "eskflyer" For those of you interested the original wheels are made by Douglas and the PART # IS 001-01 . These are the original blue label wheel . They come with only 3 holes and you have to drill the other 3. You can also use a heavier wheel for tundra and rock and stump jumping operation. the part # is 001-02 . Black label, same dimensions just a heavier made wheel . You will also have to weld on the brake rotor lugs . -------- FLY FUN FLY LOW FLY SLOW John Perry Kitfox 2 N718PD 582 cbox 2:62-1 IVO IFA Leni's FULL-LOTUS floats on MY plane forever Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150859#150859 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:45 PM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CD player, whats cheap but works good? If you want a nice CD player etc in your aircraft get the VR3 from Walmart. Cost about $70 and it is great. I bought a CD/Radio/MP3 etc to use in my Motor Home to replace the Sony. It would play MP3's and CD's with externa l input, remote control, dsplays TAG files so you know what is playing. Fo r the price I thought it would be worth a try. It fits into standard holde r for in dash radios and it went way beyond what I expected. It also uses SD memory chips, same as camera and GPS. It worked so well that I went bac k and bought 2 more for my other cars and trashed my Kenwood. Also has plu g in for USB. Clint> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:32:42 -0800> To: kitfox-list @matronics.com> From: bnn@nethere.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CD player, anan > > At 09:13 AM 12/5/2007, you wrote:> >I'm not quite ready for the install but I have found some avionics > >on my wish list to ugh to get.> > I use an Ipod Nano connected to my intercom via a standard t hree pole > mini-plug on the center console. Next to the mini-plug I have a 12V > DC coax jack for power, since the Ipod will only run about 8-10 hour s > on one charge. The Nano contains about 3.6 days of music. (That's 86 > hours.) Running it through the SPA-400 intercom gives me all the > options: both, none, passenger only, pilot only. (The passenger can > listen to mus ic only while the pilot listens to ATC only, too.) Any > solid state MP3 sh ould work just as well.> > > Guy Buchanan> San Diego, CA> K-IV 1200 / 582-C ====================> > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:19 PM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Left Rudder on 582 powered Kitfox II The first Kitfox that I actually flew was a Model I with a 582. Needless to say, after landing on the beach 8 miles south of San Fransisco I was co nvinced that a 2 stroke engine was not for me. I sent the parts for 582 ba ck to SKY star and bought a 91ULS. After attending the engine clinic from CPS in 1999 I sold the 912UL and purchased and installed a 912ULS. Never looked back. Almost 1300 hours now. My point was in response to trim tab on earlier models this one had a littl e lever on the left side with a spring attached to the rudder cable. Putti ng a slight tension on the cable gave rudder trim to the aircraft the left and didn't affect the rudder feel. Very clever. Clint From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Kitf ox-List: Left Rudder on 582 powered Kitfox II> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:34: eys@yahoo.ca>> > You got it... for feet off flying your fixed tab, like min e, is only really> sweet at one power setting, speed, attitude set up.> > T he easiest way I can think of to install an adjustable tab without opening> the rudder would be to put the hinge, as you said, outside the trailing ed ge> of the rudder. Then put a bell crank on the tab and a standoff to hold the> cable in place on the main pipe of the rudder. The cable should be rou ted> down into the fuselage at an angle to give flex room to operate the ru dder> without binding on the cable. What I'm suggesting is to use an inner outer> cable like on bicycle brakes only heavier. (Also used by the Super C ub.)> It wouldn't be pretty but it would work.> > If you don't mind re-skin ning the rudder you could install an electric> actuator inside the rudder a nd actuate the same tab as mentioned before.> Small electrical control wire s can be routed through drilled holes in the> main pipe and be nicely hidde n. This would make for a much cleaner> professional looking job.> > The bes t method is the one already dismissed.... Get out the welding torch.> > Noe l> > > -----Original Message-----> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matroni cs.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-> > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lyn n Matteson> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:08 AM> > To: kitfox-list@m atronics.com> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Left Rudder on 582 powered Kitfox et>> > > > Noel-> > Maybe I didn't explain my situation well enough. I know that the tab> > is there just to move the control surface, not to BE the f light> > surface. In the case of a fixed tab, that is, a ground-adjustable> > tab, is to move, in this case the rudder, to a position that will> > all ow at a chosen speed, "hands off" or as I described it earlier,> > "foot of f" flying. The reason that I mentioned the "airspeed, prop> > pitch and a f ew other factors" was that if you set your ground> > adjustable tab it will only work to keep the rudder at a particular> > position at a particular s peed. At least this is the case that I have> > found with my bendable, grou nd-adjustable rudder tab. After I> > installed my tab, I made a couple of f lights, adjusting the amount of> > deflection after each landing. Since the n I have left it alone, but> > noticed that maybe a little bit more bend wi ll perfect the setting,> > but as I understand it, this perfect setting wil l only keep the plane> > straight at a very narrow speed range...is this co rrect?> > > > As to my thoughts for the cabin-adjustable control of the rud der tab,> > I was thinking that a cable-controlled tab, hinged outside of c ourse,> > with a large enough radius in the cable to allow for rudder movem ent> > would do the job. My present tab is riveted to the rear of the rudde r> > weldment. When I made the tab, I made it conform to the shape of the> > tubing, so that I would get the most surface contact with the tubing,> > allowing for the ability to bend the tab without just flexing the> > rivets that hold it on. If and when I decide to make the tab cabin-> > controlled , I'll drill out the rivets, cut the tab at the proper> > hinge point, and reassemble the newly hinged tab back onto the rudder> > weldment. Routing a nd attaching the cable will be the most difficult> > part of the job as I s ee it.> > > > Lynn Matteson> > Grass Lake, Michigan> > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> > flying w/440+ hrs> > > > > > > > On Dec 3, 2007, at 11:00 oel R. C. Loveys"> > > > > >> > > Lynn:> > > The job o f the tab is to move the primary flight control not be a> > > primary> > > flight control. That means that your tab has to be able to move your> > > r udder. You no doubt can put an exterior tab on the rudder but I> > > expect you> > > will have to put the actuating equipment inside the rudder itself .> > > That> > > could be done from one side of the rudder. Hinging the tab outside> > > behind> > > the rudder could save some welding.> > >> > > BTW for the benefit of the crowd who haven't installed or adjusted> > > a tab. > > > The tab has to be turned into the direction of the control you> > > w ant. E.g.> > > to assist left pedal, turn the tab to the right which in tur n will> > > push the> > > rudder left. Kind of like leaning into a left hoo k.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern> > > Campbellton, Newfoundland,> > > Canada> > > Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA> > > A erocet 1100s> > > noelloveys@yahoo.ca> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Origin al Message-----> > >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-kitfox-> > >> list-> > >> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Mat teson> > >> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 4:20 PM> > >> To: kitfox-list@m atronics.com> > >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Left Rudder on 582 powered Kit tt@jps.net>> > >>> > >> I put a fixed rudder tab on my Jab-powered 'fox, an d it still> > >> requires a tiny bit of left rudder pressure, which means t hat some> > >> slight adjustment will be required to compensate. And that w ould be> > >> at only one particular airspeed, as I see it. Before I instal led it,> > >> much more rudder was needed. It seems to me that it's probabl y a> > >> combo of airspeed, prop pitch, and a few other factors that all h ave> > >> to align before a fixed tab would result in a "foot off" flying> > >> experience. I'm still thinking about a cabin-adjustable tab that I> > >> could build without resorting to cutting and welding the rudder, or> > > > disturbing the fabric and paint.> > >>> > >> Lynn Matteson> > >> Grass La ke, Michigan> > >> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> > >> flying w/440+ hr s> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> On Dec 2, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Michel Verheughe wro > > >>>> > >>> On Dec 2, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:> > >>>> The plane now has a new owner, and he has been told by other > > >>>> experienced pilot that the pedals should be neutral during> > >>>> cruise. Is it this normal behavior for a Kitfox II?> > >>>> > >>> I was cr uising the 582 with a foot slightly on the left pedal,> > >>> Jos=E9. Now, with the Jabiru, I fly with a foot slightly on the right> > >>> pedal. I gu ess you'll need some pedal correction with any single> > >>> engine aircraf t unless you had a fixed rudder tab.> > >>>> > >>> Cheers,> > >>> Michel Ve rheughe> > >>> Norway> > >>> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ========================> _ ==============> > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:30 PM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents Just long enough for the fuselage and wings to fill with water. > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents> From: dave@cfi sher.com> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:34:25 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.c t 02:56 AM 12/6/2007, you wrote: > > Quote: > > The airplane impacted the C olumbia River, which shattered the > > windshield and popped open both door s. The airplane sank immediately; > > > > > > I always wondered if a Kitfox would float very long. > > Guy Buchanan > > San Diego, CA > > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > > > Do not archiv e> > > what is bouyant in the Kitfox other than trapped air > ? > - wood ri bs , false ribs> -empty fuel tanks till the pitot allows water in.> - seat cushions? > -tires - likely Kingfox a little more bouyant :) > > > :)> > -- ------> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info> http:/ /www.cfisher.com/> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.ma ========================> _ ======================> > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:43 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Left Rudder on 582 powered Kitfox II Not to pick nits, but that part that you're going to attach onto the tab would be a "horn" wouldn't it? I may go with the cable-operated trim tab if I run out of other things to do, and if I ever have to disturb the fabric, I'll fire up the thermal surgery machine, and go with a servo operation. For now, the little pressure that I have to apply from time to time isn't that big a deal. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/440+ hrs do not archive On Dec 6, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Noel R. C. Loveys wrote: > > > You got it... for feet off flying your fixed tab, like mine, is > only really > sweet at one power setting, speed, attitude set up. > > The easiest way I can think of to install an adjustable tab without > opening > the rudder would be to put the hinge, as you said, outside the > trailing edge > of the rudder. Then put a bell crank on the tab and a standoff to > hold the > cable in place on the main pipe of the rudder. The cable should be > routed > down into the fuselage at an angle to give flex room to operate the > rudder > without binding on the cable. What I'm suggesting is to use an > inner outer > cable like on bicycle brakes only heavier. (Also used by the Super > Cub.) > It wouldn't be pretty but it would work. > > If you don't mind re-skinning the rudder you could install an electric > actuator inside the rudder and actuate the same tab as mentioned > before. > Small electrical control wires can be routed through drilled holes > in the > main pipe and be nicely hidden. This would make for a much cleaner > professional looking job. > > The best method is the one already dismissed.... Get out the > welding torch. > > Noel > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox- >> list- >> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson >> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:08 AM >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Left Rudder on 582 powered Kitfox II >> >> >> Noel- >> Maybe I didn't explain my situation well enough. I know that the tab >> is there just to move the control surface, not to BE the flight >> surface. In the case of a fixed tab, that is, a ground-adjustable >> tab, is to move, in this case the rudder, to a position that will >> allow at a chosen speed, "hands off" or as I described it earlier, >> "foot off" flying. The reason that I mentioned the "airspeed, prop >> pitch and a few other factors" was that if you set your ground >> adjustable tab it will only work to keep the rudder at a particular >> position at a particular speed. At least this is the case that I have >> found with my bendable, ground-adjustable rudder tab. After I >> installed my tab, I made a couple of flights, adjusting the amount of >> deflection after each landing. Since then I have left it alone, but >> noticed that maybe a little bit more bend will perfect the setting, >> but as I understand it, this perfect setting will only keep the plane >> straight at a very narrow speed range...is this correct? >> >> As to my thoughts for the cabin-adjustable control of the rudder tab, >> I was thinking that a cable-controlled tab, hinged outside of course, >> with a large enough radius in the cable to allow for rudder movement >> would do the job. My present tab is riveted to the rear of the rudder >> weldment. When I made the tab, I made it conform to the shape of the >> tubing, so that I would get the most surface contact with the tubing, >> allowing for the ability to bend the tab without just flexing the >> rivets that hold it on. If and when I decide to make the tab cabin- >> controlled, I'll drill out the rivets, cut the tab at the proper >> hinge point, and reassemble the newly hinged tab back onto the rudder >> weldment. Routing and attaching the cable will be the most difficult >> part of the job as I see it. >> >> Lynn Matteson >> Grass Lake, Michigan >> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 >> flying w/440+ hrs >> >> >> >> On Dec 3, 2007, at 11:00 AM, Noel R. C. Loveys wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Lynn: >>> The job of the tab is to move the primary flight control not be a >>> primary >>> flight control. That means that your tab has to be able to move >>> your >>> rudder. You no doubt can put an exterior tab on the rudder but I >>> expect you >>> will have to put the actuating equipment inside the rudder itself. >>> That >>> could be done from one side of the rudder. Hinging the tab outside >>> behind >>> the rudder could save some welding. >>> >>> BTW for the benefit of the crowd who haven't installed or adjusted >>> a tab. >>> The tab has to be turned into the direction of the control you >>> want. E.g. >>> to assist left pedal, turn the tab to the right which in turn will >>> push the >>> rudder left. Kind of like leaning into a left hook. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern >>> Campbellton, Newfoundland, >>> Canada >>> Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA >>> Aerocet 1100s >>> noelloveys@yahoo.ca >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox- >>>> list- >>>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson >>>> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 4:20 PM >>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Left Rudder on 582 powered Kitfox II >>>> >>>> >>>> I put a fixed rudder tab on my Jab-powered 'fox, and it still >>>> requires a tiny bit of left rudder pressure, which means that some >>>> slight adjustment will be required to compensate. And that would be >>>> at only one particular airspeed, as I see it. Before I installed >>>> it, >>>> much more rudder was needed. It seems to me that it's probably a >>>> combo of airspeed, prop pitch, and a few other factors that all >>>> have >>>> to align before a fixed tab would result in a "foot off" flying >>>> experience. I'm still thinking about a cabin-adjustable tab that I >>>> could build without resorting to cutting and welding the rudder, or >>>> disturbing the fabric and paint. >>>> >>>> Lynn Matteson >>>> Grass Lake, Michigan >>>> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 >>>> flying w/440+ hrs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 2, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 2, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote: >>>>>> The plane now has a new owner, and he has been told by other >>>>>> experienced pilot that the pedals should be neutral during >>>>>> cruise. Is it this normal behavior for a Kitfox II? >>>>> >>>>> I was cruising the 582 with a foot slightly on the left pedal, >>>>> Jos. Now, with the Jabiru, I fly with a foot slightly on the >>>>> right >>>>> pedal. I guess you'll need some pedal correction with any single >>>>> engine aircraft unless you had a fixed rudder tab. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Michel Verheughe >>>>> Norway >>>>> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:02 PM PST US From: "Noel R. C. Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Questions about ELTs?? 406MHz is as good a frequency as is available for the job of an ELT. It is linear enough to detect rough position and very little signal will be lost on the up link. It is also low enough frequency not to require a directional dish. I doubt in the next X yr. you will see a higher frequency ELT. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:34 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Questions about ELTs?? > > > John, > > I think you are correct. The FAA may allow the use of the 121.5 ELTs for a while but I > would bet they will eventually require that everyone change to a new system. It looks > like the new system will be 406 ELTs but the question is for how long. I will just go > with the 406 and call it good. > > Do Not Archive > > -------- > Darin Hawkes > Series 7 (under Construction) > 914 Turbo > Ogden, Utah > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150658#150658 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:06 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Throttle to carb connection I posted them yesterday, Dec. 5, 2007, Dan...twice, sorry to say. I first got a notice from Matronics that they were too big, so I reduced them and posted again, only to have the previously mentioned email and pictures show up here on the list, and then the reduced size ones showed up later...sorry folks for the double posting, but when I got the "rejection notice", I posted again. I spoke with another list member and he said he saw the two postings, so Dan just look for a posting from me yesterday about 9 PM or so. And about the ACS thing, folks have been using that as an abbreviation for Aircraft Spruce for years now. I just never jumped on the wagon...call me a rebel. :) But really, I'm TRYING to unclench my feathers, Mike. On Dec 6, 2007, at 12:57 PM, DanM wrote: > > Lynn, I looked for your photos, but can't find them. I would like > to see your setup. It sounds like I may need to change my setup > from some of the comments, good information. > > By the way. the ASC thing, I just made it up--- Air Craft Spruce, > didn't know it would cause so many comments` > > -------- > Dan Mc Intyre > Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150820#150820 > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:03 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Throttle to carb connection But I'm just a simple caveman lawyer, Mike, and as such I don't know about these new-fangled modern contrivances, such as wiktionary, etc. My source says "aircraft" is one word (The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language), but I'm willing for the sake of the group to think of it as two words and will hereinafter accept ACS as the group-accepted acronym for the previously mentioned Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Company...wrong as that may be. : ) Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/440+ hrs do not archive On Dec 6, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Michael Gibbs wrote: > > > Lynn sez: > >> ...it ruffles my anal feathers to break the word "aircraft" into >> two words... > > Tell your feathers to relax, Lynn. According to Kiktionary.com > , the term comes from a > "craft" that operates in the "air". "Air + craft" is the listed > etymology. > > Mike G. > N728KF > Phoenix, AZ > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:18 PM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Throttle to carb connection Lynn sez: >But I'm just a simple caveman lawyer, Mike, and as such I don't know >about these new-fangled modern contrivances, such as wiktionary, >etc. My source says "aircraft" is one word (The American Heritage >Dictionary of the English Language)... Yes, of course it is, Lynn. The etymology describes the origins of the term, not it's proper spelling or usage. I just refer to them as "Spruce." :-) Mike G. N728KF Phoenix, AZ Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:09 PM PST US From: ron schick Subject: Kitfox-List: Need KFIV wings Got a friend who needs a set of wings for a KF 4. His location is Portland Oregon so west coast is best. Thanks Ron NB Ore _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_C PC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:42 PM PST US From: ron schick Subject: Kitfox-List: VW update The weather has been ucooperative, but I have 4 hours on my bigger motor no w. With the 2275cc I get about 100 more rpm at the same prop setting. I ha ve not tried setting the prop for improvements yet. As is I was able to pu ll in flaps and get air with 135' take off roll. This was at sea level, wi nd calm, 13 gallons fuel. As soon as I set the prop I'll get some climb an d cruise numbers. I expect my 3 gph to suffer. Ron NB Ore KF IV Speedster, 2275cc VW, 1.6:1 redrive, 72" Ivo _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate.- Join i n. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:36 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New to the Community again ...... OK, that being said,my classic 4 was delivered Oct 94 and has a serial # of C94090064 and just looking at it I'd say it means Classic,built in 1994, then nineth month, and 64th built either total or that month or that year,don't really know. Anyone know for sure the code? Leon Morris/Classic 4/60%/want a Jaburu/Flower Mound,TX ---- Lynn Matteson wrote: > > Backing what Michel said, my serial numbered ADU-150 Model IV was > built in Jan (A), of 1994 (D) and I'm blanking on what the "U" stands > for {unit(?)} number 150. This was relayed to me by none other than > Frank Miller himself...back when he was the good guy. > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/440+ hrs > do not archive > > > On Dec 4, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Michael Gibbs wrote: > > > > > > > Greg sez: > > > >> I think the ser.no.'s run in succession from no.1 to present right > >> thru the different models.(Guys,please, if I'm wrong here chime in). > > > > No such luck, Greg. Sometime after my original Model IV-1200 > > (serial number 1803) was purchased in 1992 the numbering scheme > > changed to reflect the manufacture date and run. I don't remember > > for sure, but this may have coincided with SkyStar taking over. > > Newer serial numbers are of the form, ABC-000, where the letters > > encode the manufacture period and the number is sequential within > > that time. > > > > Mike G. > > N728KF > > Phoenix, AZ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:23 PM PST US From: "JC Propeller Design" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VW update Ron You got about 10% more power if you have 100 rpm more RPM on same propeller (setting) assuming you go from 3000 to 3100. (3100/3000)^3 = 1.10 Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: ron schick To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 4:40 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: VW update The weather has been ucooperative, but I have 4 hours on my bigger motor now. With the 2275cc I get about 100 more rpm at the same prop setting. I have not tried setting the prop for improvements yet. As is I was able to pull in flaps and get air with 135' take off roll. This was at sea level, wind calm, 13 gallons fuel. As soon as I set the prop I'll get some climb and cruise numbers. I expect my 3 gph to suffer. Ron NB Ore KF IV Speedster, 2275cc VW, 1.6:1 redrive, 72" Ivo ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate. 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