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1. 12:05 AM - Re: Re: Questions about ELTs?? ()
2. 01:08 AM - Re: kitfox heater (dave)
3. 06:07 AM - Re: kitfox heater (Tom Jones)
4. 06:32 AM - Re: Re: kitfox heater (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
5. 06:47 AM - EFI for the Rotax! (Ben-PA)
6. 06:53 AM - Re: kitfox heater (Tom Jones)
7. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: VW update (Steve Shinabery)
8. 07:15 AM - Re: Re: VW update (Steve Shinabery)
9. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: Questions about ELTs?? (clemwehner)
10. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: VW update...off topic (Lynn Matteson)
11. 09:06 AM - Re: kitfox heater (dave)
12. 09:34 AM - Snow - how deep b4 skis? (LarryM)
13. 09:49 AM - Re: Snow - how deep b4 skis? (dave)
14. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Questions about ELTs?? (Michel Verheughe)
15. 11:32 AM - Re: Snow - how deep b4 skis? (John W. Hart)
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| Subject: | Re: Questions about ELTs?? |
I was an airline pilot for 20 years and there was no hard fast rule to monitor
121.5 in our ops manual. Alot of ex-military types like myself and Vietnam vets
would monitor the freq so we could locate and or comunicate with someone going
down. Do not archive Leon Morris/Classic 4 (94)/60%/Flower Mound,TX
---- fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:
>
>
> I don't know if it was myth or magic, but as I recall, someone once told me
> that all airliners were required to monitor 121.5. My question is, is this
> a true fact and if it is, are they still doing it? Also, do ATC facilities
> still monitor 121.5/243.0?
> Deke
> S5, NE Michigan
>
>
> >
> > Darin sez:
> >
> >>I recently attended a seminar by the owner of preparedpilot.com on
> >>surviving a night (or nights) in the backcountry and the way he approaches
> >>that question is that he adds "PLB Activation" to his mental emergency
> >>procedure. In other words, if you have an emergency and know you are
> >>going down, you will most likely have that second or two to activate your
> >>PLB, so add that to your emergency procedure and hit the button before you
> >>crash.
> >
> > Apparently he wasn't in my Kitfox with me when I crashed into the side of
> > a mountain. His assumption is unrealistic--there was no time to activate
> > anything.
> >
> > Anyone concerned about the possibility of an emergency landing should
> > spend a few extra dollars and replace their 121 MHz ELT with a 406 MHz
> > model to go along with their personal beacon. That's what I plan to do.
> >
> > Mike G.
> > N728KF
> > Phoenix, AZ
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox heater |
Tom,
I think part of the problem is that you need a larger air inlet. My old one which
I had on Rotax muffler same as yours was about 3/4 inch height and the total
length of the muffer ( about 15 " maybe ) I have the round Kitfox cowl and
it allows more than plenty of air into the cowl. Number of pot scrubbers
9? Well i doubt that i had more thna 4 or 5 in mine and I had a long door spring
16" long attach to each side of heat muff and stuffed inside. This acted
as a retainer to hold the pot scrubbbers, yes they are only at the entrance of
hte heat muff.
Oops just found this -- i forgot i did this http://www.cfisher.com/heatmuff/
I never ended up making heat muffs this week as I had a Kitfox come in for some
work and on the way here the owner had a clevis pin come out on the bar that
holds the wing to vertical stab while in motion on a trailer the wing started
to swing out and did some damage. Almost done now and I did run it yesterday
outside, it has a heater with a fan in the cabin and seem to really blow out
the heat.
Here is how mine worked .
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=21994
Went out for flight a while ago this AM .
OAT -13 C (9F )
Cabin temp flying 10 to 12 C ( 50 to 54 F )
So basically Heating give me approx a boost in cabin temps about 40 to 45F
increase on a overcast day and not bone chilling but still well below
freezing.
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Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox heater |
Thanks folks, these all sound like good logical suggestions to improve the heater.
Mike, the air flow is more like a gentle breeze. A cool gentle breeze. OAT air
temperature was 29 Degrees F and I estimate inside was about 45 but I think
most of that warmth was from the sun.
I'll make some mods and hope I can test again tomorrow. It's supposed to snow today.
Keep the ideas coming if you have some more anyone.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox heater |
If your engine is fan cooled, (503) you have hot air comming off of the hea
ds now, I would duct that air through a muffler heatbox to warm the air fur
ther. The engine fan moves quite a bit of air, I would just watch the CHTs
to make sure I wasn't restricting the air to much and getting the engine t
o warm. If you are useing outside cold air, you have to warm it up that mu
ch more to do you any good. I would get a carbon monoxide detector card al
so. Jim Chuk Avid Mk IV Chisholm Mn> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox he
ater> From: nahsikhs@elltel.net> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 06:07:03 -0800> To:
<nahsikhs@elltel.net>> > Thanks folks, these all sound like good logical s
uggestions to improve the heater.> > Mike, the air flow is more like a gent
le breeze. A cool gentle breeze. OAT air temperature was 29 Degrees F and I
estimate inside was about 45 but I think most of that warmth was from the
sun.> > I'll make some mods and hope I can test again tomorrow. It's suppos
ed to snow today.> > Keep the ideas coming if you have some more anyone.> >
--------> Tom Jones> Classic IV, Phase one> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade W
arp> Ellensburg, WA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.
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| Subject: | EFI for the Rotax! |
Good news for you Rotax fliers!
RaceTech in Calgary, Alberta is going to offer fuel injection for the 912 family.
This is one thing I felt was missing from this engine. This will move the engine
up to the very top of the preferred list, in my opinion only.
http://www.sdsefi.com/aircraft.html
You need to scroll down the page for the announcement.
I am not associated with RaceTech or Rotax in any way, but I used to fly a Kitfox
5 with an EJ22.
Ben
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox heater |
thesupe(at)hotmail.com wrote:
> If your engine is fan cooled, (503) you have hot air comming off of the heads
now, I would duct that air through a muffler heatbox to warm the air further.
> > [b]
>
Jim, tapping into the warm air from the engine has been in the back of my mind
but I haven't figured out a way to do it without butchering up the fan cowl.
It is a good option that I may fall back on if I can't get the exhaust muff system
up to speed.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Hi Lynn,when I contacted Jabiru,they had me to contact Dave Jalanti.and
they said that he handled Kitfoxs for them.that he would help me.all so
if you look at Jabiru web site.you will find Daves contact info there.so
I am just guessing that he is a dealer for them.any way I hope to hook
up with you again this summer some where.I am planning to have a kitfox
fly in,here in OHIO this summer.at Lake Field Airport.Celina
OH....ID-CQA.. got 2 fly 4 now Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 582 for now
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> Steve-
> As far as I know, Dave Jalanti in New York is not a Jabiru dealer. He
> is a very knowledgeable (former) Jabiru owner, but to the best of my
> knowledge, there are only Pete in Tennessee, Andy in Florida, and Jim
> in California who are the US dealers, and one in Canada whose name I
> don't know. The last I heard these are the only Jabiru dealers, (as
> appointed by Jabiru of Australia) and they can only sell the engines
> regionally. Has something changed?
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/440+ hrs
> do not archive
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Steve Shinabery wrote:
>
>>
>> Larry,I too was looking at the VW engine to replace my 582 all
>> so..the weight of the VW will be too heavy.I am going with the Jabiru
>> 85hp 2200.a better pick.and the weight will be closer to the 582.call
>> Jabiru dealer dave Jalanti.in NY 518-851-2095.he will have all the
>> info that you need to change your kitfox to the Jabiru engine.with
>> the Vw engine.your usefull load will come down.alot.you need to do
>> some more research in to the VW+Jabiru engines and I belive that you
>> will make the better choice. Steve Shinabery,N554KF KF2 582 for
>> now.
>>
>> LarryM wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks great performance Ron!
>>>
>>> I have an STOL Avid with the 582. The CG has been a problem as
>>> well as the total weight. I don't know why exactly. I can achieve
>>> the same take off distance as you did (I always use flap for t/o and
>>> landing), but I have the stol wing. I don't know why I'm so heavy,
>>> even allowing 30lbs more for the grove gear. I have about 11 lbs of
>>> lead in the tail, plus about 17lbs from the elt and a battery. I
>>> fly with the cg at the published aft limit, (advised by the
>>> designer). I wonder How heavy the FWF weight of the 582 really is?
>>> I have read somewhere about 150 lbs, but how did this MK1V get so
>>> heavy? It should be about 500 lbs.
>>>
>>> If you get a chance, could you tell me what reduction gearing and
>>> any tips for considering a switch. I think that when its time to
>>> replace the 582, it would still be the cheapest and easiest to
>>> replace it with another 582, but I am partial to VW, though I have
>>> no experience with them.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> larry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151156#151156
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Lynn,I belive that Dave Jalanti,is selling engines through Pet.so he may
not be a dealer ,BUT,,,,any way Steve Shinabery N554KF
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> Steve-
> As far as I know, Dave Jalanti in New York is not a Jabiru dealer. He
> is a very knowledgeable (former) Jabiru owner, but to the best of my
> knowledge, there are only Pete in Tennessee, Andy in Florida, and Jim
> in California who are the US dealers, and one in Canada whose name I
> don't know. The last I heard these are the only Jabiru dealers, (as
> appointed by Jabiru of Australia) and they can only sell the engines
> regionally. Has something changed?
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/440+ hrs
> do not archive
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Steve Shinabery wrote:
>
>>
>> Larry,I too was looking at the VW engine to replace my 582 all
>> so..the weight of the VW will be too heavy.I am going with the Jabiru
>> 85hp 2200.a better pick.and the weight will be closer to the 582.call
>> Jabiru dealer dave Jalanti.in NY 518-851-2095.he will have all the
>> info that you need to change your kitfox to the Jabiru engine.with
>> the Vw engine.your usefull load will come down.alot.you need to do
>> some more research in to the VW+Jabiru engines and I belive that you
>> will make the better choice. Steve Shinabery,N554KF KF2 582 for
>> now.
>>
>> LarryM wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks great performance Ron!
>>>
>>> I have an STOL Avid with the 582. The CG has been a problem as
>>> well as the total weight. I don't know why exactly. I can achieve
>>> the same take off distance as you did (I always use flap for t/o and
>>> landing), but I have the stol wing. I don't know why I'm so heavy,
>>> even allowing 30lbs more for the grove gear. I have about 11 lbs of
>>> lead in the tail, plus about 17lbs from the elt and a battery. I
>>> fly with the cg at the published aft limit, (advised by the
>>> designer). I wonder How heavy the FWF weight of the 582 really is?
>>> I have read somewhere about 150 lbs, but how did this MK1V get so
>>> heavy? It should be about 500 lbs.
>>>
>>> If you get a chance, could you tell me what reduction gearing and
>>> any tips for considering a switch. I think that when its time to
>>> replace the 582, it would still be the cheapest and easiest to
>>> replace it with another 582, but I am partial to VW, though I have
>>> no experience with them.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> larry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151156#151156
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Questions about ELTs?? |
I was a military C-141 transport pilot and I don't remember anything
official about monitoring Guard (121.5 and 243.0), though we always did
when radios were available. I think it was a holdover from our combat
days when listening for buddies who got shot down.
A little OT but, when crossing the ocean and often over undeveloped
countries with little air traffic control like the mideast, we also
monitored 123.45 which was an unnofficial interplane frequency for
military and airliners. Occasionally we coordinated with other aircraft
when ATC failed to provide separation over places like Egypt. ATC there
consisted of a one Egyptian guy on the ground with an HF radio and a
grease pencil board, relying on aircraft position reports to keep us
separated. I even once talked to a guy on 123.45 in a Cessna 182 over
the North Atlantic who was ferrying it to Europe. Gutsy guy!
Anyway, I'd say monitoring 121.5 will probably be a practice that will
continues even if not required.
Clem Wehner
KF-IV-912
Lawton, OK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
l.morris@tx.rr.com
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Questions about ELTs??
I was an airline pilot for 20 years and there was no hard fast rule to
monitor 121.5 in our ops manual. Alot of ex-military types like myself
and Vietnam vets would monitor the freq so we could locate and or
comunicate with someone going down. Do not archive Leon Morris/Classic
4 (94)/60%/Flower Mound,TX
---- fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:
> --> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
>
> I don't know if it was myth or magic, but as I recall, someone once
> told me
> that all airliners were required to monitor 121.5. My question is, is
this
> a true fact and if it is, are they still doing it? Also, do ATC
facilities
> still monitor 121.5/243.0?
> Deke
> S5, NE Michigan
>
>
> > --> <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> >
> > Darin sez:
> >
> >>I recently attended a seminar by the owner of preparedpilot.com on
> >>surviving a night (or nights) in the backcountry and the way he
approaches
> >>that question is that he adds "PLB Activation" to his mental
emergency
> >>procedure. In other words, if you have an emergency and know you
are
> >>going down, you will most likely have that second or two to activate
your
> >>PLB, so add that to your emergency procedure and hit the button
before you
> >>crash.
> >
> > Apparently he wasn't in my Kitfox with me when I crashed into the
> > side of
> > a mountain. His assumption is unrealistic--there was no time to
activate
> > anything.
> >
> > Anyone concerned about the possibility of an emergency landing
> > should
> > spend a few extra dollars and replace their 121 MHz ELT with a 406
MHz
> > model to go along with their personal beacon. That's what I plan to
do.
> >
> > Mike G.
> > N728KF
> > Phoenix, AZ
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VW update...off topic |
Yes, Dave is a contact source for Jabiru...I read his articles in
Kitplanes a few years back, and met him at Sun 'n' Fun in 2005, where
he was helping Pete with the Jabiru booth. He told me that he has
since sold his Kitfox, but still has access to it. Dave is a really
nice guy, and was very helpful when I was installing my Jabiru engine
and modifying my cowl.
When I was ready to buy my engine in early 2005, Pete was out of
engines, so I called Andy, who was also out of engines. When Andy
asked me where I lived, and I told him Michigan, he said "even if I
had an engine, I couldn't sell it to you, because you are in Pete's
region."
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/440+ hrs
do not archive
On Dec 9, 2007, at 10:14 AM, Steve Shinabery wrote:
>
> Hi Lynn,when I contacted Jabiru,they had me to contact Dave
> Jalanti.and they said that he handled Kitfoxs for them.that he
> would help me.all so if you look at Jabiru web site.you will find
> Daves contact info there.so I am just guessing that he is a dealer
> for them.any way I hope to hook up with you again this summer some
> where.I am planning to have a kitfox fly in,here in OHIO this
> summer.at Lake Field Airport.Celina OH....ID-CQA.. got 2 fly 4 now
> Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 582 for now
>
> Lynn Matteson wrote:
>>
>> Steve-
>> As far as I know, Dave Jalanti in New York is not a Jabiru dealer.
>> He is a very knowledgeable (former) Jabiru owner, but to the best
>> of my knowledge, there are only Pete in Tennessee, Andy in
>> Florida, and Jim in California who are the US dealers, and one in
>> Canada whose name I don't know. The last I heard these are the
>> only Jabiru dealers, (as appointed by Jabiru of Australia) and
>> they can only sell the engines regionally. Has something changed?
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Grass Lake, Michigan
>> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
>> flying w/440+ hrs
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Steve Shinabery wrote:
>>
>>> <shinco@bright.net>
>>>
>>> Larry,I too was looking at the VW engine to replace my 582 all
>>> so..the weight of the VW will be too heavy.I am going with the
>>> Jabiru 85hp 2200.a better pick.and the weight will be closer to
>>> the 582.call Jabiru dealer dave Jalanti.in NY 518-851-2095.he
>>> will have all the info that you need to change your kitfox to the
>>> Jabiru engine.with the Vw engine.your usefull load will come
>>> down.alot.you need to do some more research in to the VW+Jabiru
>>> engines and I belive that you will make the better choice. Steve
>>> Shinabery,N554KF KF2 582 for now.
>>>
>>> LarryM wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks great performance Ron!
>>>>
>>>> I have an STOL Avid with the 582. The CG has been a problem
>>>> as well as the total weight. I don't know why exactly. I can
>>>> achieve the same take off distance as you did (I always use flap
>>>> for t/o and landing), but I have the stol wing. I don't know
>>>> why I'm so heavy, even allowing 30lbs more for the grove gear.
>>>> I have about 11 lbs of lead in the tail, plus about 17lbs from
>>>> the elt and a battery. I fly with the cg at the published aft
>>>> limit, (advised by the designer). I wonder How heavy the FWF
>>>> weight of the 582 really is? I have read somewhere about 150
>>>> lbs, but how did this MK1V get so heavy? It should be about 500
>>>> lbs.
>>>>
>>>> If you get a chance, could you tell me what reduction gearing
>>>> and any tips for considering a switch. I think that when its
>>>> time to replace the 582, it would still be the cheapest and
>>>> easiest to replace it with another 582, but I am partial to VW,
>>>> though I have no experience with them.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> larry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151156#151156
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox heater |
Tom,
I checked earlier in shop- I had 3 pot scrubbers in heat muff.
will post some pics for you later.
A gentile breeze if all you need but you need it hot not cool and it should get
real hot. I would venture to guess that you have slowed the air but you are
not collecting the heat. enough. When you finally tune it in you gonna be
quite happy.
503 air outlet by plugs is used very successfully by the Challenger guys as well.
--------
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| Subject: | Snow - how deep b4 skis? |
How deep of "heavy" snow would you tolerate b4 putting skis on? Bear in mind the
snow around here is usually only last a few days before it's gone or wet/ice?
larry
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| Subject: | Re: Snow - how deep b4 skis? |
I have been flying all week in 8 inches with King fox tires
10 " the limit..... though plus your tires will be less forgiving on drifts.
I have landed on several fields to talk with hunters this week but not in a ploughed
field, that would be kinda rough on landing gear unless on skis.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Questions about ELTs?? |
On Dec 9, 2007, at 5:11 PM, clemwehner wrote:
> Anyway, I'd say monitoring 121.5 will probably be a practice that will
> continues even if not required.
That is something I never understood, Clem. At sea, everyone is
listening to Channel 16, except when in a VTSS (Vessel Traffic
Separation Scheme) where you're asked to listen to the Vessel Traffic
Surveillance frequency). Channel 16 is the distress and call frequency.
The coast stations use it to broadcast Notice to Mariners (the
equivalent to NOTAM), to announce weather information (transmitted on
other working frequencies) etc. Vessels use it to call each other when
e.g. asking 'What are your intentions?' when crossing another vessel in
narrow waterways. Everybody listen to it and whenever you're in
trouble, you know someone listen to it.
Why isn't it the same for aircraft in G-zone?
In Norway, we have endless discussions as to what to listen and report
to when in G-zones. Some say that we should listen and report position
to the Control Center for that region. Others say that we should use
the special GA frequency of 123.50 used to auto-report position to
other traffic. I often come in those discussions to say: 'I don't care
which frequency but make up your mind because being on different ones
is what causes danger!'
Incidentally, 123.45 is also what we use for small talk plane-to-plane,
such as flights in formation.
Could it be that seafarers are smarter than us?
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Snow - how deep b4 skis? |
When it's deep enough to cause a lot of resistance to taxiing, or causes the
tail to come up on application of throttle. Most aircraft will handle 3" to
8" of packed snow with little problem, a little more if loose powder,
depending on your tires. It's the slush of 4" or more depth that I don't
like. Glaze ice is even more fun! At least, that's the criteria I used in
Willow, AK when I lived there. I think most everybody uses their own
criteria because aircraft weight, tire size and ground pressure, and power
to weight ratio all play an important part in the determination.
John Hart
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LarryM
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:34 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Snow - how deep b4 skis?
How deep of "heavy" snow would you tolerate b4 putting skis on? Bear in
mind the snow around here is usually only last a few days before it's gone
or wet/ice?
larry
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