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1. 02:07 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? (Was: KF 3 or KF 4) (Steve Shinabery)
2. 06:39 AM - Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? (Paul Seehafer)
3. 07:18 AM - Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? (dave)
4. 07:48 AM - Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? (john oakley)
5. 09:40 AM - Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? (john taylor)
6. 01:16 PM - Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? (dave)
7. 04:18 PM - Primer installation 912UL (Gary)
8. 05:25 PM - Re: Primer installation 912UL (wingnut)
9. 06:02 PM - Re: Re: Primer installation 912UL (RAY Gignac)
10. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: Primer installation 912UL (john oakley)
11. 08:02 PM - Re: Primer installation 912UL (Gary)
12. 08:22 PM - Re: Re: Primer installation 912UL and Starting (SOURDOSTAN@aol.com)
13. 08:23 PM - Need a Rotax 912 Exhaust system for a Speedster Model IV (Paul Morel)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? (Was: KF 3 or KF 4) |
I belive that both planes are great..the same but different..just like a
FORD vs CHEVY.same but different. :-) different strokes for different
folks..kitfox +avid are like brothers.they are side by side..Steve
Shinabery N554KF KF2 582 165TT for now
Michael Gibbs wrote:
>
>> ...I'm at a loss to understand why you believe the bulk of the design
>> credit should not go to Dean.
>
> I never said it shouldn't. I said that the events that played out
> were due to the interaction between Denney's desire for a new airplane
> and Wilson's design skills and that both ingredients were necessary.
>
>> Dan would have collaborated on the design, but a brilliant conceptual
>> idea on paper is just that. Design brilliance is the process that
>> ultimately takes great ideas from paper to fruition. Each has it's
>> place in bringing product to market of course but, since both are
>> necessary to make 1+1=2, I see neither as more important or
>> significant than the other in Flyer development.
>
> That was exactly my point.
>
>> Either way, don't know, don't care. I am simply forever grateful
>> these two stars collided.
>
> I agree.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
> Phoenix, AZ
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? |
Deke,
I'm glad to know someone is enjoying all this Avid / Kitfox history banter.
(smile)
I doubt any of us will ever know what would (or wouldn't?) have happend if
Dan and Dean never had that discussion about building an ultralight? But
assuming Denney at minimum provided the catalyst to get Deans creative
juices flowing, which ultimately resulted in the creation of the 1st Avid
Flyer, he certainly deserves some credit. But not as an aircraft designer.
Aside from the Thunder Mustang, to my knowledge Dan never created any "new"
airplanes. Rather, he just kept modifying the existing Kitfox design. And
for the later Kitfox re-designs, I believe he involved engineers (like when
the III was re-engineered into the IV). And I could be wrong, but I'd bet
the Thunder Mustang was mostly a contracted design & build (using
professional engineers). It was way too complex of an airplane for your
average self taught tube and fabric airplane designer to come up with.
Especially considering the high technology composite construction and
molding processes used. But I'm sure the idea to create a scaled down
homebuilt Mustang was his. I'd be the first to admit the Thunder Mustang was
a thing of beauty, with performance to match. But it really wasn't anything
all that novel. A scaled down homebuilt P-51 had been built many times
before. And once again, it wasn't a new design. Rather it was a re-design
of an existing airplane.
Wilson on the other hand has created (designed & built in most cases) many
very different, and quite novel aircraft. Most were all unique, original
designs that incorporated innovative Wilson design elements. Here's the
list of the planes Wilson designed as best as I can remember them;
The Bellanca Eagle ag plane, the Avid Flyer (and all of its various
models/versions), the Avid 3 place Amphibian/Catalina, the Magnum, the
Ellipse, the Jaegar, the Explorer, the Private Explorer, the Finke "Venetian
Blind", etc, etc (I'm sure I forgot a few). And while all of these aircraft
will bear some trademark of Deans designs, they are for the most part very
different aircraft with very different missions. Oh yeah, many were custom
designed and built "to order" for people like Hubert de Chevigny (the
Explorer and the Private Explorer). But to further explain what I've been
trying to say, just because Mr de Chevigny came up with a wish list and a
pile of money, that doesn't make him an airplane designer either. Nor
should he receive credit for the design Dean provided him with. It was Dean
that had to come up with the details needed to build an airplane that would
meet the buyers mission, and wish list. And fwiw, I'm certain most aircraft
designers wouldn't have even considered trying to design airplanes to meet
the requirments that most of Deans airplanes had to. Even today, as just
one simple example, how many low horsepower, inexpensive airplanes can
easily carry more than they weigh empty? The Avid did from the word go.
That's genius in design in my opinion. While everyone else kept building
airplanes like the ones before them, Dean always saw things differently, and
consequently designed and built things in his own way. That may have
appeared very unconventional at times, and sometimes not the prettiest, but
it always worked.
I really don't mean to beat this point to death, but I think it's important
to keep the history accurate. Dan was not an aircraft designer. Dean was.
However, Dan certainly had his strengths. He knew how to market his
airplane exceptionally well (even Dean admitted that). I was around the
Avid and Kitfox clans as early as 1984. So I witnessed firsthand some of
the rivlary. It was ugly to say the least. In the early days, I'm
confident Avid had the better airplane. But Dan did such a good job of
marketing that even though his product was somewhat inferior, soon he
started to outsell Avid. And it only got worse as Dan's company grew, and
as he continued to give his already cute little Kitfox more and more sex
appeal. And then to make matters worse, both Avid and Kitfox were starting
to deal with what appeared to be a saturated market. Then while they fought
between themselves, competitors started popping up everywhere, only
worsening each of their market shares. As time went on it grew more and
more difficult, leaving little room for two large companies selling
basically the same product. So the rest is history...
What I walked away with after watching all that over the years was this; If
only Dean and Dan's business relationship had worked out better, I think
they would have been unstoppable. I doubt competition and/or others copying
their designs would have been an issue for them. With Dan's marketing
skills promoting the hell out of the airplane the way he could, and Dean
back in the shop just making the design (or most likely, designs) better and
better, while also fine tuning production methods, there would have been
little competition they would have had to worry about. I always thought it
was unfortunate that things didn't work out between them. But so many times
that's the way it goes in business. Ironically, if you study the history of
many of the Avid clones, you will find that history has repeated itself
again and again, by separating business partners just like Dan and Dean went
through (e.g.; Sky Raider/Ridge Runner, Montana Coyote/Mountain Eagle, etc)
I'll probably always wonder what they might have been capable of, and what
they may have accomplished as a team? But I guess there's those of us that
will probably always wonder how things might have been different had the
Beatles reunited too? (chuckle)
For any of you that think I am beating a dead horse, I apologize. I don't
mean to. What I had hoped to accomplish here was to make sure anyone that
wants to know more about the heritage of the wonderful airplanes we enjoy,
has access to the information. I'm sure there might be a mistake here and
there in all this, but for the most part I believe it to be accurate.
I agree we are fortunate Wilson and Denney got together. And personally, I
wish they would help us all to understand the story a bit better by clearing
up any questionable areas. But I'm going to guess we may never know all the
details. And maybe that's best for history? If nothing else, it certainly
keeps things in our little world here interesting.
Relative to the discussion, having always found Dean Wilsons airplane
designs interesting, I saved articles on many ost of them. If the group
here would like to learn more about any of Deans designs, I'd be happy to
share what I have. Maybe we could post a plane at a time, encouraging some
fun discussion? Here's a start with a few pics on "Good News" (aka Venetian
Blind), as well as Deans twin engined flying boat named "Explorer II", and
the Private Explorer mentioned.
And here's the brain teaser for the day....Who remembers the 4 seat, folding
wing, hitch towable, 150+ mph Avid (?) Dean designed and built?
Paul Seehafer
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:55 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox an Avid copy?
>
> I've been reading these posts with considerable interest and I hope that
> someone is keeping them or filing them away in some sort of archive where
> this information will be permanently available, possibly via John McBean
> at Kitfox Aircraft, or perhaps Wikipedia. One thing I noticed was that
> the overall tone of the topic seemed to give Dean Wilson most of the
> design credit and to tone down DD's role in the birth of the Avid history.
> Very similar to Piper and Taylor. Having built two Kitfoxes, although I
> certainly don't consider myself any sort of expert on the topic, I've been
> closely involved with Kitfoxes since the early 90s and it's my opinion
> that both of these guys are excellent aircraft designers and both share
> equally in the development of the Kitfox/Avid heritage. A perfect example
> of Dan Denny's design talent is the Thunder Mustang, one of the fastest
> homebuilts on the planet. http://www.ksql.com/myriad/thunder.htm
> IMO, these guys are very much like the Beatles. Each was remarkably
> gifted and each made his own unique contribution to the evolution of the
> Kitfox/Avid, but partly due to their amazing talents, it was necessary for
> them to go their separate ways. As far as who did specifically what, it
> is difficult, if not impossible to accurately gauge this as they were a
> partnership and worked together as a team on the project.
> FWIW,
> Deke Morisse
> S5, NE Michigan and snowed in
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? |
Paul and all , great talk in history of the Kitfox and Avid a and designers and
marketers etc.
BIG THANKS TO ALL INVOLVED !!
My you tube videos a few are just about to go over 10,000 views now
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=kitfoxflyer
I can safely say that I have helped sell some Kitfoxes , new or used.
I think if everyone on this list that seems to think they know lots about Kitfoxes
would put up a video or a few to show the world what a great airplane we
have then John would likely sell more kits and the market for these pathetically
low priced Used Kitfoxes would soon dry up and you would see your Kitfox not
only continue to be a riot to fly but your investment would grow alot more.
Right now buying a new kit will depreciate very quickly but a used one should
appreciate and in time the new kits might even give a return on investment.
So Dean and Dan , I hope you think my vidoes have helped what you guys have created
over the years.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Kitfox an Avid copy? |
Interesting, I noticed that Bill Finikies address was Cameron park, Lowell
did you know this guy?
John Oakley
I'm glad to know someone is enjoying all this Avid / Kitfox history banter.
(smile)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? |
fuzzy", "well, we did good !!!" kind of reunion up in the place of origin (idaho)
where all the avids n foxes gathered to express our gratitude to both guys
& all the others who've kept the designs flying one way or the other.... larson,
winder, bean, come to mind quickly. in fact, i believe paul shared some old
video/movies of avid & foxes gathering at fly ins in the early days?? i'd certainly
love to attend such a "gathering of dean/dan progeny". anyway, keep diggin
folks & sharing.... i love it!!! john bowman, covering an avid + from airdale
here in prairieville, la......& merry christmas to u all.....
----- Original Message ----
From: Paul Seehafer <av8rps@tznet.com>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:37:48 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox an Avid copy?
Deke,
I'm glad to know someone is enjoying all this Avid / Kitfox history banter.
(smile)
I doubt any of us will ever know what would (or wouldn't?) have happend if
Dan and Dean never had that discussion about building an ultralight? But
assuming Denney at minimum provided the catalyst to get Deans creative
juices flowing, which ultimately resulted in the creation of the 1st Avid
Flyer, he certainly deserves some credit. But not as an aircraft designer.
Aside from the Thunder Mustang, to my knowledge Dan never created any "new"
airplanes. Rather, he just kept modifying the existing Kitfox design. And
for the later Kitfox re-designs, I believe he involved engineers (like when
the III was re-engineered into the IV). And I could be wrong, but I'd bet
the Thunder Mustang was mostly a contracted design & build (using
professional engineers). It was way too complex of an airplane for your
average self taught tube and fabric airplane designer to come up with.
Especially considering the high technology composite construction and
molding processes used. But I'm sure the idea to create a scaled down
homebuilt Mustang was his. I'd be the first to admit the Thunder Mustang was
a thing of beauty, with performance to match. But it really wasn't anything
all that novel. A scaled down homebuilt P-51 had been built many times
before. And once again, it wasn't a new design. Rather it was a re-design
of an existing airplane.
Wilson on the other hand has created (designed & built in most cases) many
very different, and quite novel aircraft. Most were all unique, original
designs that incorporated innovative Wilson design elements. Here's the
list of the planes Wilson designed as best as I can remember them;
The Bellanca Eagle ag plane, the Avid Flyer (and all of its various
models/versions), the Avid 3 place Amphibian/Catalina, the Magnum, the
Ellipse, the Jaegar, the Explorer, the Private Explorer, the Finke "Venetian
Blind", etc, etc (I'm sure I forgot a few). And while all of these aircraft
will bear some trademark of Deans designs, they are for the most part very
different aircraft with very different missions. Oh yeah, many were custom
designed and built "to order" for people like Hubert de Chevigny (the
Explorer and the Private Explorer). But to further explain what I've been
trying to say, just because Mr de Chevigny came up with a wish list and a
pile of money, that doesn't make him an airplane designer either. Nor
should he receive credit for the design Dean provided him with. It was Dean
that had to come up with the details needed to build an airplane that would
meet the buyers mission, and wish list. And fwiw, I'm certain most aircraft
designers wouldn't have even considered trying to design airplanes to meet
the requirments that most of Deans airplanes had to. Even today, as just
one simple example, how many low horsepower, inexpensive airplanes can
easily carry more than they weigh empty? The Avid did from the word go.
That's genius in design in my opinion. While everyone else kept building
airplanes like the ones before them, Dean always saw things differently, and
consequently designed and built things in his own way. That may have
appeared very unconventional at times, and sometimes not the prettiest, but
it always worked.
I really don't mean to beat this point to death, but I think it's important
to keep the history accurate. Dan was not an aircraft designer. Dean was.
However, Dan certainly had his strengths. He knew how to market his
airplane exceptionally well (even Dean admitted that). I was around the
Avid and Kitfox clans as early as 1984. So I witnessed firsthand some of
the rivlary. It was ugly to say the least. In the early days, I'm
confident Avid had the better airplane. But Dan did such a good job of
marketing that even though his product was somewhat inferior, soon he
started to outsell Avid. And it only got worse as Dan's company grew, and
as he continued to give his already cute little Kitfox more and more sex
appeal. And then to make matters worse, both Avid and Kitfox were starting
to deal with what appeared to be a saturated market. Then while they fought
between themselves, competitors started popping up everywhere, only
worsening each of their market shares. As time went on it grew more and
more difficult, leaving little room for two large companies selling
basically the same product. So the rest is history...
What I walked away with after watching all that over the years was this; If
only Dean and Dan's business relationship had worked out better, I think
they would have been unstoppable. I doubt competition and/or others copying
their designs would have been an issue for them. With Dan's marketing
skills promoting the hell out of the airplane the way he could, and Dean
back in the shop just making the design (or most likely, designs) better and
better, while also fine tuning production methods, there would have been
little competition they would have had to worry about. I always thought it
was unfortunate that things didn't work out between them. But so many times
that's the way it goes in business. Ironically, if you study the history of
many of the Avid clones, you will find that history has repeated itself
again and again, by separating business partners just like Dan and Dean went
through (e.g.; Sky Raider/Ridge Runner, Montana Coyote/Mountain Eagle, etc)
I'll probably always wonder what they might have been capable of, and what
they may have accomplished as a team? But I guess there's those of us that
will probably always wonder how things might have been different had the
Beatles reunited too? (chuckle)
For any of you that think I am beating a dead horse, I apologize. I don't
mean to. What I had hoped to accomplish here was to make sure anyone that
wants to know more about the heritage of the wonderful airplanes we enjoy,
has access to the information. I'm sure there might be a mistake here and
there in all this, but for the most part I believe it to be accurate.
I agree we are fortunate Wilson and Denney got together. And personally, I
wish they would help us all to understand the story a bit better by clearing
up any questionable areas. But I'm going to guess we may never know all the
details. And maybe that's best for history? If nothing else, it certainly
keeps things in our little world here interesting.
Relative to the discussion, having always found Dean Wilsons airplane
designs interesting, I saved articles on many ost of them. If the group
here would like to learn more about any of Deans designs, I'd be happy to
share what I have. Maybe we could post a plane at a time, encouraging some
fun discussion? Here's a start with a few pics on "Good News" (aka Venetian
Blind), as well as Deans twin engined flying boat named "Explorer II", and
the Private Explorer mentioned.
And here's the brain teaser for the day....Who remembers the 4 seat, folding
wing, hitch towable, 150+ mph Avid (?) Dean designed and built?
Paul Seehafer
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:55 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox an Avid copy?
>
> I've been reading these posts with considerable interest and I hope that
> someone is keeping them or filing them away in some sort of archive where
> this information will be permanently available, possibly via John McBean
> at Kitfox Aircraft, or perhaps Wikipedia. One thing I noticed was that
> the overall tone of the topic seemed to give Dean Wilson most of the
> design credit and to tone down DD's role in the birth of the Avid history.
> Very similar to Piper and Taylor. Having built two Kitfoxes, although I
> certainly don't consider myself any sort of expert on the topic, I've been
> closely involved with Kitfoxes since the early 90s and it's my opinion
> that both of these guys are excellent aircraft designers and both share
> equally in the development of the Kitfox/Avid heritage. A perfect example
> of Dan Denny's design talent is the Thunder Mustang, one of the fastest
> homebuilts on the planet. http://www.ksql.com/myriad/thunder.htm
> IMO, these guys are very much like the Beatles. Each was remarkably
> gifted and each made his own unique contribution to the evolution of the
> Kitfox/Avid, but partly due to their amazing talents, it was necessary for
> them to go their separate ways. As far as who did specifically what, it
> is difficult, if not impossible to accurately gauge this as they were a
> partnership and worked together as a team on the project.
> FWIW,
> Deke Morisse
> S5, NE Michigan and snowed in
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? |
Seems to me that Avids and Kitfoxes were always having the rivalry take off contests
are flyins.
Who won them for the most part ?
TAke a look at a highlander .. Looks like a great copy ...... errrrr plane
as well of th avid
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Primer installation 912UL |
Hello 912 users
Does anyone know where to install the fuel primer lines on the 912UL? I've read
all the past posts on proper starting procedures and how a primer isn't necessary
but I'd like to put a squirt button in my KF anyway.
Thanks
--------
Gary Del Bel Belluz
Toronto, IV / 912UL
Just getting started
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| Subject: | Re: Primer installation 912UL |
Please post results when you get this sorted. I'm interested in doing the same
for mines.
> Does anyone know where to install the fuel primer lines on the 912UL? I've read
all the past posts on proper starting procedures and how a primer isn't necessary
but I'd like to put a squirt button in my KF anyway.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Primer installation 912UL |
If you have a gascolator, you can run the draw from that point to the prime
r, then run a line from the primer to a T fitting then to each carb! thats
how I have mine set up.
Ray> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Primer installation 912UL> From: wingnut@spa
marrest.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:24:18 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matroni
com>> > Please post results when you get this sorted. I'm interested in doi
ng the same for mines.> > > > Does anyone know where to install the fuel pr
imer lines on the 912UL? I've read all the past posts on proper starting pr
ocedures and how a primer isn't necessary but I'd like to put a squirt butt
on in my KF anyway. > > > --------> Luis Rodriguez> Model IV 1200> Rotax 91
2UL> Flying Weekly> Laurens, SC (34A)> > > > > Read this topic online here:
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152249#152249> > > > > >
==> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Primer installation 912UL |
Luis,
The primer line as far as I am concerned is necessary. Every engine that we
have installed this on has started every time on 2 blades or less. If you
think about it that is a great improvement.
Under the carb if you look close there is a barbed fitting with a screw in
the middle.
You will need to split t0 both carbs and this creates a problem. At low
speed or warm up time the carbs are not flowing the same. So what happens is
one carb will suck all the fuel from the crossover line. If this line is
more than the normal 1/16 primer line it can cause the engine to stumble for
quite a time. Of course this would negate the primer.
I tried several types and sizes of primer line before realizing that the
aircraft world had already been through this.
I use a short stroke aircraft primer and this is enough, but any aircraft
primer will do.
After you split (as close to the engine as you can) the line and run to the
carbs, I put a 20 thousandths safety wire in the end, hanging out and
sweated solder into the end. After the solder is set, I pulled the safety
wire out and now I have a 20 thousandths nozzle.
I push the line up and into the barbed fitting just flush with the carb
inside. A 1-inch piece of fuel line clamped to the barb and the line holds
it in place.
I can not push hard enough on the line size, it really does matter.
John Oakley
Speedster 4 long and short
912 ul cap
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:24 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Primer installation 912UL
Please post results when you get this sorted. I'm interested in doing the
same for mines.
> Does anyone know where to install the fuel primer lines on the 912UL? I've
read all the past posts on proper starting procedures and how a primer isn't
necessary but I'd like to put a squirt button in my KF anyway.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Primer installation 912UL |
John
I'll take your advice and restrict the primer lines at the carb.
Thanks for the info.
--------
Gary Del Bel Belluz
Toronto, IV / 912UL
Just getting started
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| Subject: | Re: Primer installation 912UL and Starting |
Lockwood sells a special restricter that does the trick. It screws into the
barbed fitting. I think it is a Rotax part. (You'll need one for each carb,
obviously.)
They also told me how to start my 912ul by just using the primer and not the
"choke." Here's how Kerry told me to do it, which works slick as a whistle
every time: Pump two primes into the carbs before starting. Crack the
throttle a quarter of an inch. Hit the starter and at the same time, inject one
more primer load. Should start up just as nice as can be!!! Sure has
eliminated hard starting for me. If the plane has been setting for quite awhile
(gas
out of the system), I usually squirt about three primer loads into the carbs
first, and it may need another couple of squirts to keep the engine running
at first.
Stan Specht
Kitfox Model IV Speedster "Columbine"
912ul with 1275 hours
Denver, Colorado
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| Subject: | Need a Rotax 912 Exhaust system for a Speedster Model IV |
Still plugging away with the Speedster project and looking for a
muffler/exhaust system for a Rotax 912. If someone has one they are not
using, I'd be happy to buy it. New or used.
Paul Morel
Speedster Model IV
Locust Grove, Georgia
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