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1. 01:02 AM - Re: Off topic:Kitfox add-on for FSX (Michel Verheughe)
2. 04:58 AM - Jimmy Franklin Osh. 92 (Dee Young)
3. 09:21 AM - Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? (SkySteve)
4. 09:33 AM - Re: Off topic:Kitfox add-on for FSX (Michael Gibbs)
5. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? (john oakley)
6. 11:07 AM - new member to the list (great bear)
7. 02:47 PM - Re: new member to the list (kirk hull)
8. 02:58 PM - Re: Off topic (kirk hull)
9. 03:02 PM - Re: Off topic (kirk hull)
10. 03:45 PM - Re: new member to the list (Jim Crowder)
11. 04:02 PM - Kitfox 7 E-LSA (dcsfoto)
12. 04:57 PM - Re: new member to the list (Dacha)
13. 05:02 PM - Re: Jimmy Franklin Osh. 92 (Paul Seehafer)
14. 05:13 PM - Re: new member to the list (Sbennett3@aol.com)
15. 06:10 PM - Re: Kitfox 7 E-LSA (RRTRACK@aol.com)
16. 06:18 PM - Re: new member to the list (RRTRACK@AOL.COM)
17. 06:28 PM - Re: Kitfox 7 E-LSA (Russell Lassetter)
18. 06:34 PM - Re: new member to the list (Zimmermans)
19. 09:03 PM - Re: new member to the list (Kenneth and Alice Jones)
20. 09:36 PM - Re: new member to the list (Michael Gibbs)
21. 10:00 PM - resending: Help-582 ignition fault (R & L Ainsworth)
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| Subject: | Re: Off topic:Kitfox add-on for FSX |
On Dec 16, 2007, at 5:34 AM, Michael Gibbs wrote:
> I dunno, Michel, version 9 of X-plane has terrain that is pretty
> spectacular!
That is true, Mike. But I was thinking about the work so many people
have done with Microsoft FS in reproducing the buildings, etc. of so
many airfields worldwide.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Jimmy Franklin Osh. 92 |
That is excellent Paul, thanks
Dee
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? |
Hello. I have not participated in this board before, but I do review it daily.
Relative to the current discussion of the history of the Kitfox, I own 85DD.
It is currently hangered in Morgan, Utah. I have attached photos of 85DD as
she looked when I purchased her, and as she looks today. Also attached are photos
of two Kitfox promotional posters showing 85DD as well as other Kitfoxes.
I purchased 85DD in April, 2006 from Jim Duffy. Jim is an AP located in Ogden,
Utah and has his business at Ogden Hinkley airport. Jim purchased 85DD from
Dan Denney. 85DD has undergone several mods since I purchased her, with more
to come later. She is powered by a 912A Rotax, which was once used on a Kitfox
Biplane (I believe). She is registered at 1050#. Here are the mods so far:
Grove main gear designed and installed so that you can convert between nosewheel
and tailwheel configurations; Grove 6" wheels; Grove brakes; dual brake controls
for left & right seats; 600-6 tires; custom tuned exhaust and mufflers;
Kitfox factory nosewheel; Maule tailwheel; custom bubble doors (not shown in
photo); model IV rudder; vertical stabilizer redesigned to fit model IV rudder;
starting primer added; and 65" carbon fiber Warp Drive propeller. We plan
on having 85DD at the 2008 Kitfox factory fly-in to show her off.
Much of the encouragement to continue on this project has come from a long-time
member of your community, John Oakley. John has become a good friend and mentor
of mine during this project. Thank you, John, for your encouragement and
advice.
The two posters are as follows:
The poster with a flying Kitfox is 89DD. 89DD is also shown on the bottom left
on skis, then 85DD in the bottom center, 84DD next to the right, and 85DD again
on the right with floats.
The poster with a Kitfox on floats is 88DD. 89DD is on the bottom left with skis,
then 85DD in the center, 91KF is next to the right and 88DD to the far right
with wings folded.
Thought you might be interested in this little bit of Kitfox history.
--------
Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox I-IV 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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| Subject: | Re: Off topic:Kitfox add-on for FSX |
>That is true, Mike. But I was thinking about the work so many people
>have done with Microsoft FS in reproducing the buildings, etc. of so
>many airfields worldwide.
So was I! :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? |
Steve,
Great input, and the posters bring back memories as they are what I had
hanging in my shop for mental support for those 5 years it took to put mine
together.
John Oakley
Speedster 4 912ul cap
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SkySteve
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox an Avid copy?
Hello. I have not participated in this board before, but I do review it
daily. Relative to the current discussion of the history of the Kitfox, I
own 85DD. It is currently hangered in Morgan, Utah. I have attached photos
of 85DD as she looked when I purchased her, and as she looks today. Also
attached are photos of two Kitfox promotional posters showing 85DD as well
as other Kitfoxes.
I purchased 85DD in April, 2006 from Jim Duffy. Jim is an AP located in
Ogden, Utah and has his business at Ogden Hinkley airport. Jim purchased
85DD from Dan Denney. 85DD has undergone several mods since I purchased
her, with more to come later. She is powered by a 912A Rotax, which was
once used on a Kitfox Biplane (I believe). She is registered at 1050#.
Here are the mods so far: Grove main gear designed and installed so that
you can convert between nosewheel and tailwheel configurations; Grove 6"
wheels; Grove brakes; dual brake controls for left & right seats; 600-6
tires; custom tuned exhaust and mufflers; Kitfox factory nosewheel; Maule
tailwheel; custom bubble doors (not shown in photo); model IV rudder;
vertical stabilizer redesigned to fit model IV rudder; starting primer
added; and 65" carbon fiber Warp Drive propeller. We plan on having 85DD at
the 2008 Kitfox factory fly-in to show her off.
Much of the encouragement to continue on this project has come from a
long-time member of your community, John Oakley. John has become a good
friend and mentor of mine during this project. Thank you, John, for your
encouragement and advice.
The two posters are as follows:
The poster with a flying Kitfox is 89DD. 89DD is also shown on the bottom
left on skis, then 85DD in the bottom center, 84DD next to the right, and
85DD again on the right with floats.
The poster with a Kitfox on floats is 88DD. 89DD is on the bottom left with
skis, then 85DD in the center, 91KF is next to the right and 88DD to the far
right with wings folded.
Thought you might be interested in this little bit of Kitfox history.
--------
Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox I-IV 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152522#152522
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| Subject: | new member to the list |
Reading all of the history on avid vs kitfox...I am with those who think its a
good thing these guys got together...especially now that sport light had truly
come to be......which brings me to my little story. I recently finished building
a Glasair ITD and flew it for the first time this year...wonderful plane.
190mph in level cruise and a hotrod! Now I have come to realize that I will need
to move to sport light and bought a Kitfox5 speedster (firewall back) and will
build that.....need some suggestions and advice from fellow builders as to
engine prop combinations and building hints....I am leaning towards the 7 cowling
over the bump cowl and a 4 stroke engine (I have a jabiru2200).....any help
this way would be great. The kit has all the factory upgrades, adjustable rudder
pedals , electric trim, speedster tail, extra wing ribs..ect... never built
a tube and fabric plane but I believe with a little help I will do just fine.
Feel free to contact me
direct av8r2488@yahoo.com GARY
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I am not sure if the 5 is good for sport pilot. I was thinking it was to
heavy. I have a classic 4 so I am not that familiar with the 5. I am
however sure that someone with a 5 can correct me if I am wrong. As for the
jabiru 2200 I have heard a lot of good reports.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of great bear
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 1:04 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: new member to the list
Reading all of the history on avid vs kitfox...I am with those who think its
a good thing these guys got together...especially now that sport light had
truly come to be......which brings me to my little story. I recently
finished building a Glasair ITD and flew it for the first time this
year...wonderful plane. 190mph in level cruise and a hotrod! Now I have come
to realize that I will need to move to sport light and bought a Kitfox5
speedster (firewall back) and will build that.....need some suggestions and
advice from fellow builders as to engine prop combinations and building
hints....I am leaning towards the 7 cowling over the bump cowl and a 4
stroke engine (I have a jabiru2200).....any help this way would be great.
The kit has all the factory upgrades, adjustable rudder pedals , electric
trim, speedster tail, extra wing ribs..ect... never built a tube and fabric
plane but I believe with a little help I will do just fine. Feel free to
contact me
direct av8r2488@yahoo.com GARY
Be a better friend, newshound, and
know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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Reminds of the TWA travel poster of NY it was taken at night and centered on
the twin towers.
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Off topic:Kitfox add-on for FSX
>That is true, Mike. But I was thinking about the work so many people
>have done with Microsoft FS in reproducing the buildings, etc. of so
>many airfields worldwide.
So was I! :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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Reminds of the TWA travel poster of NY it was taken at night and centered on
the twin towers.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Off topic:Kitfox add-on for FSX
>That is true, Mike. But I was thinking about the work so many people
>have done with Microsoft FS in reproducing the buildings, etc. of so
>many airfields worldwide.
So was I! :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | new member to the list |
The 5 is approximately the same as the 7 which is Kitfox's Light Sport
Offering.
Jim Crowder
Currently Installing a Jabiru 3300
On a Kitfox Series 5
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kirk hull
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 3:47 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: new member to the list
>
>
>
> I am not sure if the 5 is good for sport pilot. I was thinking it was to
> heavy. I have a classic 4 so I am not that familiar with the 5. I am
> however sure that someone with a 5 can correct me if I am wrong.
> As for the
> jabiru 2200 I have heard a lot of good reports.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of great bear
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 1:04 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: new member to the list
>
>
> Reading all of the history on avid vs kitfox...I am with those
> who think its
> a good thing these guys got together...especially now that sport light had
> truly come to be......which brings me to my little story. I recently
> finished building a Glasair ITD and flew it for the first time this
> year...wonderful plane. 190mph in level cruise and a hotrod! Now
> I have come
> to realize that I will need to move to sport light and bought a Kitfox5
> speedster (firewall back) and will build that.....need some
> suggestions and
> advice from fellow builders as to engine prop combinations and building
> hints....I am leaning towards the 7 cowling over the bump cowl and a 4
> stroke engine (I have a jabiru2200).....any help this way would be great.
> The kit has all the factory upgrades, adjustable rudder pedals , electric
> trim, speedster tail, extra wing ribs..ect... never built a tube
> and fabric
> plane but I believe with a little help I will do just fine. Feel free to
> contact me
> direct av8r2488@yahoo.com GARY
>
>
> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>
>
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just got my Light Sport ticket on my model 7. hope to do first flight soon.
going to fit wheel pants and do cosmetic clean-ups first.
got my kit sept 06,started in jan 07.
anyone looking to do a Kitfox, it was an easy project. one of the things that
made it easy was the SUPER support from John and Debra at Kitfox LLC
David Kelm Model 3 and Model 7
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152586#152586
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| Subject: | Re: new member to the list |
The original Kitfox 5 came out as 1400#, then went to the 1550#. The builder
recertified mine for 1500. Some say that as the builder you can list your
own weight. But the 5 and later are a little heavier than the 4's.
LeRoy
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| Subject: | Re: Jimmy Franklin Osh. 92 |
Glad you enjoyed it Dee. Jim really did a good job showing just how
fantastic our airplanes are!
Paul
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dee Young
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 6:55 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Jimmy Franklin Osh. 92
That is excellent Paul, thanks
Dee
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| Subject: | Re: new member to the list |
I was told that any 5,6,or7 was heavy for light sport. Rules are simple,
1320 lb. or less gross. I believe up to model 4 1200 is good for light sport.
Steve Bennett Light sport cert. going for private pilot.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 7 E-LSA |
Congratulations David
Sounds like your are a second time Kitfox builder. That had to help speed
up the build time. I wanted a Kitfox IV before I got to check out the Kitfox
7. Really like the 7, sure you will too.
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Mark
Kitfox 5 Vixen
912UL IVO
Hartford, Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Re: new member to the list |
Steve
If you are building a Kitfox you can just certify it as 1320# gross
airplane and if it meets all the other areas of the LSA it can be used as an LSA.
Even if it is certified as an Experimental Home Built.
If a Kitfox 5, 6, or 7 was already certified above 1320# gross then it can
never be used as an LSA. There is no going back.
Mark
Kitfox 5 Vixen
912UL IVO
Hartford, Wisconsin
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Hello David,
Congratulations on your completion. Do you have an idea of how many
man-hours you spent. I know everyone keeps track a little differently but
I'm always interested.
Russ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dcsfoto
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 7:02 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 7 E-LSA
>
>
>
> just got my Light Sport ticket on my model 7. hope to do first
> flight soon.
> going to fit wheel pants and do cosmetic clean-ups first.
>
> got my kit sept 06,started in jan 07.
>
> anyone looking to do a Kitfox, it was an easy project. one of the
> things that
> made it easy was the SUPER support from John and Debra at Kitfox LLC
>
> David Kelm Model 3 and Model 7
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152586#152586
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| Subject: | Re: new member to the list |
As the builder you are allowed to set the gross weight. If you increase the
weight over the factory, you may have to document your tests.
Jim Z Series 5 1320 gross weight.
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From: Sbennett3@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new member to the list
I was told that any 5,6,or7 was heavy for light sport. Rules are simple,
1320 lb. or less gross. I believe up to model 4 1200 is good for light sp
ort. Steve Bennett Light sport cert. going for private pilot.
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| Subject: | Re: new member to the list |
I'm in the process of building a Series 7 and I plan to have it
specified at a gross weight of 1320 lbs. to qualify as light sport. It
is my understanding that the empty weight of a 7 will be roughly 870 to
920 lbs. depending on engine, accessories and how good I am at keeping
it light. Lets say I achieve an empty weight of 900 lbs. This will give
me 420 lbs. for people, fuel, oil and baggage. The empty weight of a
Series IV 1200 is somewhat less. I don't know the numbers for it. It's
gross weight I think is 1200 lbs. Does this suggest that either one
would be OK for light sport? I'm planning on using the 100 hp Rotax on
my Series 7. Am I correct in assuming the same engine on the lighter
Series IV would provide better performance than the heavier 7 with the
same engine, but with perhaps a little less than 430 lbs. payload with
that engine?
The Series 7 was designed (prior to the light sport rules) as a bush
type plane with a 1550 gross weight using at that time relatively heavy
Lycoming and Continental engines. Skystar advertised 150 lbs. allowable
in the baggage area. After the new light sport rules they introduced a
slightly forward sweep of the wings allowing for use of lighter Rotax
engines making them more acceptable for light sport use. So, if you want
a light sport, you simply specify your homebuilt Series 7 with a gross
of 1320 lbs and its a light sport - but with a lower permissible
payload. Your choice of engines and other items that add weight
determines the amount of payload permissible in your new light sport
airplane.
If you want a bush plane to carry a heavier load you use the Continental
IO-240 without the forward wing sweep and have it certified with a 1550
lb. gross weight. With the Series 7 you can have it either way, but you
must make your decision before certification. As someone said in an
earlier notice, if you have it certified initially as 1550 gross, you
cannot later change your mind.
I assume the folks in this group will let me know if I'm incorrect in
any way.
Ken Jones
----- Original Message -----
From: Sbennett3@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new member to the list
I was told that any 5,6,or7 was heavy for light sport. Rules are
simple, 1320 lb. or less gross. I believe up to model 4 1200 is good
for light sport. Steve Bennett Light sport cert. going for private
pilot.
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Ken sez:
>I assume the folks in this group will let me know if I'm incorrect in any way.
Good assumption, Ken. :-)
>The empty weight of a Series IV 1200 is somewhat less. I don't know
>the numbers for it. It's gross weight I think is 1200 lbs.
My tricycle-gear Model IV-1200 Speedster with Rotax 912S came in at
660 pounds empty. I told the FAA that its maximum weight would be
1230 and they didn't give me a hard time about it. That left a
useful load of 570 pounds.
>Does this suggest that either one would be OK for light sport?
Yes, if the finished airplane meets the requirements for light sport aircraft.
>Am I correct in assuming the same engine on the lighter Series IV
>would provide better performance than the heavier 7 with the same
>engine...?
Less weight + same power = better performance.
>After the new light sport rules they introduced a slightly forward
>sweep of the wings allowing for use of lighter Rotax engines making
>them more acceptable for light sport use.
You'd want to sweep the wings forward with a heavier engine, not a
lighter one. A heavier engine would shift the center of gravity
forward, requiring a corresponding forward shift of the center of
lift, which can be accomplished with the forward sweep.
The aircraft I've seen with forward swept wings are usually earlier
models with heavy engines.
>If you want a bush plane to carry a heavier load you use the
>Continental IO-240 without the forward wing sweep and have it
>certified with a 1550 lb. gross weight.
You'd have an even greater payload if you used a lighter engine (such
as the 912) at a max weight of 1550 due to the lower empty weight.
Mike G.
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | resending: Help-582 ignition fault |
Hello List, can anyone help with this problem?
I have a Model 4 Kitfox with a blue head 582 with 170 hours on the
engine.The plane had a gray head 582 which I replaced on 2005.
The problem is when I started the plane last week the engine started ok
but when a mag check was done one mag was ok but the other gave a drop
of 800 to 1000 rpm on the rev counter but the engine itself did not slow
down
I have done basic checks on the grounding points for the engine and rev
counter but I am not an electronics person.I have looked at the Rotax
ignition schmatic but its not much help.
I dont understand how the rev counter can read ok on one side but not
the other.
Russell Ainsworth Mod 4 1050 ZK-KIV NEW ZEALAND
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