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1. 05:09 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 12/16/07 (Catz631@aol.com)
2. 05:14 AM - Re: new member to the list (dwparker)
3. 05:33 AM - Re: resending: Help-582 ignition fault (eskflyer)
4. 06:09 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 12/16/07 (Zimmermans)
5. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 12/16/07 (Michael Gibbs)
6. 07:47 AM - Building ? (Zimmermans)
7. 10:12 AM - Re: resending: Help-582 ignition fault (Marco Menezes)
8. 11:11 AM - Happy Holidays !! (jdmcbean)
9. 12:03 PM - Bush tires: Kitfox3 on Nankang Tires (Charles Boccaccio)
10. 01:52 PM - Re: Bush tires: Kitfox3 on Nankang Tires (jeff puls)
11. 01:56 PM - Re: Happy Holidays !! (jeff puls)
12. 02:27 PM - Re: Bush tires: Kitfox3 on Nankang Tires (GONER752@AOL.COM)
13. 02:34 PM - For Sale (Steve Magdic)
14. 02:54 PM - Merry Christmas (Noel Loveys)
15. 03:02 PM - Re: Merry Christmas (Steve Shinabery)
16. 03:03 PM - Re: Merry Christmas (Sean Moore)
17. 03:23 PM - Re: new member to the list (Roger McConnell)
18. 03:41 PM - Re: new member to the list (kirk hull)
19. 04:18 PM - Re: Merry Christmas (jdmcbean)
20. 05:03 PM - Re: Merry Christmas (Lynn Matteson)
21. 05:09 PM - Re: Need a Rotax 912 Exhaust system for a Speedster Model IV (Lowell Fitt)
22. 05:33 PM - thanks, great response! (great bear)
23. 05:33 PM - Re: Merry Christmas (Michael Gibbs)
24. 05:34 PM - Re: Kitfox 7 E-LSA (dcsfoto)
25. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 12/16/07 (Andy Fultz)
26. 07:19 PM - Re: Primer installation 912UL (Gary)
27. 07:33 PM - Re: new member to the list (Kenneth and Alice Jones)
28. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: new member to the list (Kenneth and Alice Jones)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 12/16/07 |
In a message dated 12/17/2007 2:02:43 AM Central Standard Time,
kitfox-list@matronics.com writes:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/85dd_111.jpg
According To the EAA (per phone call) it is the Kit mfgr that determines the
max gross weight for the aircraft. I called John @ Kitfox and he told me the
only model that qualified was the Model 4 and below. However the new model that
they are making, has been recertified down to 1320 to qualify although it can
carry more because of a heavier airframe
Regards,
Dick Maddux
Model 4 classic
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| Subject: | Re: new member to the list |
I just received the Airworthiness Certificate for my Series 7 last Wednesday. I
certified it at the 1320# with no problem.
Ken, for your information my S7 weighed in at 796# empty weight. That weight is
with most options, cabin heater, adjustable rudders, one piece turtle deck, and
custom upholstery. I am running a 912S with a GSC 3 bladed prop. I also did
not skimp on the finish - because I painted it yellow I needed to put down a
cross coat of white Poly-Tone over the Poly-Spray before putting two cross coats
of yellow finish on it. I would think you should be able to finish yours well
under the 900# you targeted.
Dana Parker
N474DP Series 7 w/912S
Westport, IN
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| Subject: | Re: resending: Help-582 ignition fault |
Mine did the same thing . the coil for the rev counter died . I use a tinytach
it is accurate and gives me a perfect reading everytime and only cost about 45
bucks .
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FLY FUN FLY LOW FLY SLOW
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
582 cbox 2:62-1 IVO IFA
Leni's FULL-LOTUS floats on MY plane forever
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 12/16/07 |
Q & A:
Question of the Week
EAA Aviation Services
I'm looking at purchasing an Acro Sport I project which is well on its way,
but still far from being finished. The plans call for it to have a gross w
eight of 1350 lbs, which doesn't fit the new light-sport aircraft category.
If I were to finish this project, can I state that the gross weight is 132
0 lbs when I submit the paperwork=3F Or is the FAA going to go by the publish
ed gross weight of 1350 lbs=3F
Answer:
As the builder of the individual aircraft in question, you have the option
of setting the gross weight at whatever level you feel is appropriate. If y
ou want to set the gross weight at 1320 instead of 1350, you are welcome to
do that. Providing all the other parameters of aircraft configuration and
performance meet the definition of a light-sport aircraft (see EAA's sport
pilot website), your aircraft will be eligible for operation by sport pilot
s.
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From: Catz631@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 7:07 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 12/16/07
In a message dated 12/17/2007 2:02:43 AM Central Standard Time, kitfox-li
st@matronics.com writes:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/85dd=5F111.jpg
According To the EAA (per phone call) it is the Kit mfgr that determines
the max gross weight for the aircraft. I called John @ Kitfox and he told m
e the only model that qualified was the Model 4 and below. However the new
model that they are making, has been recertified down to 1320 to qualify al
though it can carry more because of a heavier airframe
Regards,
Dick Maddux
Model 4 classic
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 12/16/07 |
Dick sez:
>According To the EAA (per phone call) it is the Kit mfgr that
>determines the max gross weight for the aircraft.
As far as the FAA is concerned, YOU are the airplane's manufacturer.
The company that supplied the kit is NOT the manufacturer, that's why
you are required to build at least 51% of it.
As the manufacturer, YOU determine all of the pertinent values for
your airplane. In most cases, since people do use figures supplied
by the kit manufacturer, the FAA doesn't ask for much documentation
of the numbers you provide, but that is at the discretion of the
examiner who signs off your airworthiness certificate.
Mike G.
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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I am building a series 5. Can anyone with a newer kit tell me how he or she
covered the area (6 X 33 inches) under the rudder pedals=3F I want to have a
removable aluminum panel there. I have seen some planes with a removable p
anel. The panel is held in place by rivets or screws into aluminum clips c
ut from an extrusion and epoxyed to the tubes. My manual does not show this
. If this is the current method, what is the part number for the extrusion=3F
If the newer kits have another method I would like to know how it is done.
Thanks
Jim Z Almost ready to cover fuselage.
Lake Elmo MN.
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| Subject: | Re: resending: Help-582 ignition fault |
Russell,
Because you detect no change in engine speed when you shut down one CDI, and
because you get an accurate rpm reading on the other CDI, I'm going to guess that
you have a digital "tiny tach" already installed. If not, ignore the rest
of this post.
If you'll have a look you'll find that the "sensor" for this device is no more
than a wire wrapped 3-4 turns around one of your plug wires. It measures rpms
by detecting the high voltage electronic pulse in this lead. So, when you shut
down the CDI that fires though that lead, the digital readout will drop dramatically.
At least that's been my experience.
I have both digital tiny tach and a very inaccurate analog installed. I use the
digital for accurate measurement under normal operation and the analog only
to give relative drop during run-up. One day I'll treat myself to an accurate
analog instrument that will do both.
R & L Ainsworth <rainsworth@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
Hello List, can anyone help with this problem?
I have a Model 4 Kitfox with a blue head 582 with 170 hours on the engine.The
plane had a gray head 582 which I replaced on 2005.
The problem is when I started the plane last week the engine started ok but when
a mag check was done one mag was ok but the other gave a drop of 800 to 1000
rpm on the rev counter but the engine itself did not slow down
I have done basic checks on the grounding points for the engine and rev counter
but I am not an electronics person.I have looked at the Rotax ignition schmatic
but its not much help.
I dont understand how the rev counter can read ok on one side but not the other.
Russell Ainsworth Mod 4 1050 ZK-KIV NEW ZEALAND
do not archive
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Happy Holidays !! |
Hope everyone has a Safe and Wonderful Holiday !!
It has been a great year ! Thank you for all the support from the Kitfox
family ! If its for a Kitfox.. give us a shout first..
I would like to address a couple of items that have been talked about
recently.
Avid vs Kitfox This can be a controversial issue because people have
their own accounts of what they have read, heard and believe. Sometimes 3rd
and 4th hand. There are always at least 2 sides to ever story. Dean and
Dan played their roles as did William Piper and C.G. Taylor.. Im sure there
are stories of Aeronca as well I do know a bit of the history from some of
the first flights of the Avid to today.. The Avid and Kitfox were evolving
quickly in the early 80s. While an interesting read historically, the
Kitfox aircraft today is significantly different.
Early Models 84DD is being restored as I understand for a very good
cause, 85DD is in Utah undergoing a conversion, and the first production
Kitfox off the assembly line was delivered to a dealer rep and is now in our
hangar.
Light Sport A confusing issue. Bottom line. All Kitfox models can
qualify to be operated by a Sport Pilot. The Series 7 Super Sport with the
Rotax 912 ULS engine can be built in the 750 to 800 empty weight range.
With the Continental or Lycomings they are typically 900 plus The Super
Sport has been tested up to 1550 max gross.. Therefore it can be certified
with the 1320 or 1430 (float plane) gross weights and operated by a Sport
Pilot. Lets not confuse an Aircraft Definition (E-LSA / S-LSA /
Experimental AB) with an Airmen Certification (Sport Pilot certificate /
Private Pilot certificate). A sport pilot can operate a part 23 certified
aircraft or an Experimental AB aircraft as long as that aircraft meets the
definition of LSA and he/she is rated for that aircraft.
In accordance with (IAW) the current regulations if
the aircraft already has a airworthiness certificate and was certificated at
a gross weight more then the 1320 It cannot be lowered and therefore cannot
be operated by a Sport Pilot. This is a heated topic in many circles.
Wing Sweep The forward wing sweep is suggested when utilizing the
heavier engine choices not with the Rotax power.
Pic in Laramie The picture is of the Model IV Speedster N91KS. Stock
Model IV Speedster powered with the 80 Rotax 912 UL. The photo was taken by
Charles Denny as was many of the marketing photos. I also placed many of
these posters in FBOs while in transit from one airshow to another
Hopefully well have another such poster in the future to place in FBOs.
The signatures are:
C.O. Denny (Charles Denny) Marketing and
photographer still in the area and still taking photography
Skip Cederquist Engineering, Demo pilot, A&P
mechanic Went to Bonners Ferry and is now working locally for a major
repair station and privately as an A&P
Patrick Rediker Demo Pilot, CFI Went with the
Red Barrons for a time then last I knew was flying with the St Alphonsus
Life Flight Idaho
How did they get 3 We would fly 2 or 3 aircraft to
several shows.. most likely that was on the way to Oshkosh.
Our Factory fly-in is scheduled for Labor Day weekend 2008.. Hope to see you
here.
Again.. Have a SAFE and WONDERFUL HOLIDAY !!!!
NOW Go fly !! after all lets not forget that Orville and Wilber had the
first tube and rag aircraft 104 years ago today !!!
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
2:13 PM
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| Subject: | Bush tires: Kitfox3 on Nankang Tires |
A few months ago there was talk on the list about bush tires on Kitfoxes.
Please find attached a picture of my KF3 with Nankang tires. I've rolled the
plane up to 45MPH (well above normal operating speed) and they roll just fine
and landings are a little more forgiving.
Charlie
Kitfox 3
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| Subject: | Re: Bush tires: Kitfox3 on Nankang Tires |
Charlie,
What kind of useful load do you have with the tires and Grove gear? Jeff
Classic IV
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Boccaccio
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:01 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Bush tires: Kitfox3 on Nankang Tires
A few months ago there was talk on the list about bush tires on
Kitfoxes.
Please find attached a picture of my KF3 with Nankang tires. I've
rolled the plane up to 45MPH (well above normal operating speed) and
they roll just fine and landings are a little more forgiving.
Charlie
Kitfox 3
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Holidays !! |
Well said! Thanks John. Jeff Classic IV CMH
----- Original Message -----
From: jdmcbean
To: Kitfox List
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:10 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Happy Holidays !!
Hope everyone has a Safe and Wonderful Holiday !!
It has been a great year ! Thank you for all the support from the
Kitfox family ! If its for a Kitfox.. give us a shout first..
I would like to address a couple of items that have been talked about
recently.
Avid vs Kitfox This can be a controversial issue because people
have their own accounts of what they have read, heard and believe.
Sometimes 3rd and 4th hand. There are always at least 2 sides to ever
story. Dean and Dan played their roles as did William Piper and C.G.
Taylor.. I'm sure there are stories of Aeronca as well. I do know a bit
of the history from some of the first flights of the Avid to today..
The Avid and Kitfox were evolving quickly in the early 80's. While an
interesting read historically, the Kitfox aircraft today is
significantly different.
Early Models 84DD is being restored as I understand for a very
good cause, 85DD is in Utah undergoing a conversion, and the first
production Kitfox off the assembly line was delivered to a dealer rep
and is now in our hangar.
Light Sport A confusing issue. Bottom line. All Kitfox models
can qualify to be operated by a Sport Pilot. The Series 7 Super Sport
with the Rotax 912 ULS engine can be built in the 750 to 800 empty
weight range. With the Continental or Lycomings they are typically 900
plus. The Super Sport has been tested up to 1550 max gross.. Therefore
it can be certified with the 1320 or 1430 (float plane) gross weights
and operated by a Sport Pilot. Lets not confuse an Aircraft Definition
(E-LSA / S-LSA / Experimental AB) with an Airmen Certification (Sport
Pilot certificate / Private Pilot certificate). A sport pilot can
operate a part 23 certified aircraft or an Experimental AB aircraft as
long as that aircraft meets the definition of LSA and he/she is rated
for that aircraft.
In accordance with (IAW) the current
regulations. if the aircraft already has a airworthiness certificate and
was certificated at a gross weight more then the 1320 It cannot be
lowered and therefore cannot be operated by a Sport Pilot. This is a
heated topic in many circles.
Wing Sweep The forward wing sweep is suggested when utilizing the
heavier engine choices. not with the Rotax power.
Pic in Laramie The picture is of the Model IV Speedster N91KS.
Stock Model IV Speedster powered with the 80 Rotax 912 UL. The photo was
taken by Charles Denny as was many of the marketing photos. I also
placed many of these posters in FBO's while in transit from one airshow
to another. Hopefully we'll have another such poster in the future to
place in FBO's.
The signatures are:
C.O. Denny (Charles Denny) - Marketing and
photographer - still in the area and still taking photography
Skip Cederquist - Engineering, Demo pilot, A&P
mechanic - Went to Bonners Ferry and is now working locally for a major
repair station and privately as an A&P
Patrick Rediker - Demo Pilot, CFI - Went with
the Red Barrons for a time then last I knew was flying with the St
Alphonsus Life Flight - Idaho
How did they get 3. We would fly 2 or 3
aircraft to several shows.. most likely that was on the way to Oshkosh.
Our Factory fly-in is scheduled for Labor Day weekend 2008.. Hope to
see you here.
Again.. Have a SAFE and WONDERFUL HOLIDAY !!!!
NOW Go fly !! after all lets not forget that Orville and Wilber had
the first tube and rag aircraft. 104 years ago today !!!
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
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| Subject: | Re: Bush tires: Kitfox3 on Nankang Tires |
Charlie,
Could you provide some specifics? Size, price, source?
Thanks,
Greg G.
Macedon, N.Y.
23NK
n375KL
Mod 2
582
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Due to financial concerns I have to put my KitFox up for sale. It's a
model 3 with the Model 4 wing. I thought I'd offer it to the Matronics
KitFox group before I post
it on Barnstormers or some other web based selling platform. I figure it
will be in good hands if someone here decided to purchase it. I'll post
some pics soon.
Here's the description:
FOR SALE
KitFox Model 3 With Model 4 Wing (Droop Tips)
Registered Experimental
Rotax 912 UL - 400 Hrs. Engine and Airframe
3 Blade Warp Prop (Overhauled in 07)
20 Gallon Fuel
New 3 Leaf Tail Spring with Soft Rubber Tail Wheel
Cargo Pod
Snow Skis with all Hardware and ReTrax (Ski Mounted) Retractable Roller
Wheels For Moving Aircraft Across Hard Surface/Hanger
Left Side Toe Brakes Only
New Glass - 06/07
All Service Bulletins Complied With
Condition Inspection 11/07
Complete Builders Logs, Construction Manuals with Photos Included
Engine and Airframe Log Books Up To Date and Included
Standard VFR Panel
Needs Nothing - Buy It And Fly It
Asking $21,500
Contact: Steve Magdic
stevemagdic@wi.rr.com (preferred)
Home: 262-820-9938
Cell: 262-370-3182
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I have a hard time with being politically correct. (My problem) "Merry
Christmas" was good enough for my Grandfathers and my father so It's good
enough for me. It must be something about seeing my name in lights this
time every year.
May each and every one of you enjoy a Merry Christmas and a Happy and
prosperous New Year.
Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Merry Christmas |
Thanks Noel.and the best for you and your family.and we all hope to see
you flying again soon.I hope that you will have blue skys in the new
year.and wish you a speedy recovery. Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 582
Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> I have a hard time with being politically correct. (My problem) Merry
> Christmas was good enough for my Grandfathers and my father so Its
> good enough for me. It must be something about seeing my name in
> lights this time every year.
>
> May each and every one of you enjoy a Merry Christmas and a Happy and
> prosperous New Year.
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Merry Christmas |
Noel, Noel!
On Dec 16, 2007 6:56 PM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> I have a hard time with being politically correct. (My problem) "Merry
> Christmas" was good enough for my Grandfathers and my father so It's good
> enough for me. It must be something about seeing my name in lights this
> time every year.
>
>
> May each and every one of you enjoy a Merry Christmas and a Happy and
> prosperous New Year.
>
>
> Noel
>
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>
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| Subject: | new member to the list |
Ken,
My Series 7 came in at 800 lbs. empty with the Rotax 100 horse
engine. After adding wheel pants and a few accessories it may have gone up
to 825 but still with the Rotax you should to able to come in under 850 lbs
even with a full panel. Be careful on registering in the Light Sport
category. You can do that but then you will have to take the 8 hour
repairman's course to qualify for the repairman's certificate so you can do
your own condition inspections. This is what the FAA guys told me when I was
getting ready to register my plane.
Roger McConnell, Duncan, OK
Model 7 Trigear, Rotax 912uls
Flying sense Jan. 06
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth and
Alice Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new member to the list
I'm in the process of building a Series 7 and I plan to have it specified at
a gross weight of 1320 lbs. to qualify as light sport. It is my
understanding that the empty weight of a 7 will be roughly 870 to 920 lbs.
depending on engine, accessories and how good I am at keeping it light. Lets
say I achieve an empty weight of 900 lbs. This will give me 420 lbs. for
people, fuel, oil and baggage. The empty weight of a Series IV 1200 is
somewhat less. I don't know the numbers for it. It's gross weight I think
is 1200 lbs. Does this suggest that either one would be OK for light sport?
I'm planning on using the 100 hp Rotax on my Series 7. Am I correct in
assuming the same engine on the lighter Series IV would provide better
performance than the heavier 7 with the same engine, but with perhaps a
little less than 430 lbs. payload with that engine?
The Series 7 was designed (prior to the light sport rules) as a bush type
plane with a 1550 gross weight using at that time relatively heavy Lycoming
and Continental engines. Skystar advertised 150 lbs. allowable in the
baggage area. After the new light sport rules they introduced a slightly
forward sweep of the wings allowing for use of lighter Rotax engines making
them more acceptable for light sport use. So, if you want a light sport, you
simply specify your homebuilt Series 7 with a gross of 1320 lbs and its a
light sport - but with a lower permissible payload. Your choice of engines
and other items that add weight determines the amount of payload permissible
in your new light sport airplane.
If you want a bush plane to carry a heavier load you use the Continental
IO-240 without the forward wing sweep and have it certified with a 1550 lb.
gross weight. With the Series 7 you can have it either way, but you must
make your decision before certification. As someone said in an earlier
notice, if you have it certified initially as 1550 gross, you cannot later
change your mind.
I assume the folks in this group will let me know if I'm incorrect in any
way.
Ken Jones
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From: Sbennett3@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new member to the list
I was told that any 5,6,or7 was heavy for light sport. Rules are simple,
1320 lb. or less gross. I believe up to model 4 1200 is good for light
sport. Steve Bennett Light sport cert. going for private pilot.
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You can certify as experimental and still fly it as a sport as long as it
fits the deff
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger McConnell
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:23 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: new member to the list
Ken,
My Series 7 came in at 800 lbs. empty with the Rotax 100 horse
engine. After adding wheel pants and a few accessories it may have gone up
to 825 but still with the Rotax you should to able to come in under 850 lbs
even with a full panel. Be careful on registering in the Light Sport
category. You can do that but then you will have to take the 8 hour
repairman's course to qualify for the repairman's certificate so you can do
your own condition inspections. This is what the FAA guys told me when I was
getting ready to register my plane.
Roger McConnell, Duncan, OK
Model 7 Trigear, Rotax 912uls
Flying sense Jan. 06
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth and
Alice Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new member to the list
I'm in the process of building a Series 7 and I plan to have it specified at
a gross weight of 1320 lbs. to qualify as light sport. It is my
understanding that the empty weight of a 7 will be roughly 870 to 920 lbs.
depending on engine, accessories and how good I am at keeping it light. Lets
say I achieve an empty weight of 900 lbs. This will give me 420 lbs. for
people, fuel, oil and baggage. The empty weight of a Series IV 1200 is
somewhat less. I don't know the numbers for it. It's gross weight I think
is 1200 lbs. Does this suggest that either one would be OK for light sport?
I'm planning on using the 100 hp Rotax on my Series 7. Am I correct in
assuming the same engine on the lighter Series IV would provide better
performance than the heavier 7 with the same engine, but with perhaps a
little less than 430 lbs. payload with that engine?
The Series 7 was designed (prior to the light sport rules) as a bush type
plane with a 1550 gross weight using at that time relatively heavy Lycoming
and Continental engines. Skystar advertised 150 lbs. allowable in the
baggage area. After the new light sport rules they introduced a slightly
forward sweep of the wings allowing for use of lighter Rotax engines making
them more acceptable for light sport use. So, if you want a light sport, you
simply specify your homebuilt Series 7 with a gross of 1320 lbs and its a
light sport - but with a lower permissible payload. Your choice of engines
and other items that add weight determines the amount of payload permissible
in your new light sport airplane.
If you want a bush plane to carry a heavier load you use the Continental
IO-240 without the forward wing sweep and have it certified with a 1550 lb.
gross weight. With the Series 7 you can have it either way, but you must
make your decision before certification. As someone said in an earlier
notice, if you have it certified initially as 1550 gross, you cannot later
change your mind.
I assume the folks in this group will let me know if I'm incorrect in any
way.
Ken Jones
----- Original Message -----
From: Sbennett3@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new member to the list
I was told that any 5,6,or7 was heavy for light sport. Rules are simple,
1320 lb. or less gross. I believe up to model 4 1200 is good for light
sport. Steve Bennett Light sport cert. going for private pilot.
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OK.. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !! Mele Kalikimaka, God Jul, Pier
Noel
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Merry Christmas
I have a hard time with being politically correct. (My problem) Merry
Christmas was good enough for my Grandfathers and my father so Its good
enough for me. It must be something about seeing my name in lights this
time every year.
May each and every one of you enjoy a Merry Christmas and a Happy and
prosperous New Year.
Noel
2:13 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Merry Christmas |
Good for you, Noel...and I'm right there with ya, seconding the
"Merry Christmas" sentiment.
But just to stay on topic,sort of, I wanted to fly for the last two
days because of the 8-10" of new snow that fell, but alas, my carb is
waiting parts from Bing. What a bummer...skis waiting, but engine had
other ideas...ratz!
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/440+ hrs
do not archive
On Dec 16, 2007, at 8:56 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> I have a hard time with being politically correct. (My problem)
> Merry Christmas was good enough for my Grandfathers and my
> father so Its good enough for me. It must be something about
> seeing my name in lights this time every year.
>
>
> May each and every one of you enjoy a Merry Christmas and a Happy
> and prosperous New Year.
>
>
> Noel
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need a Rotax 912 Exhaust system for a Speedster Model |
IV
Paul there is an exhaust system as we speak on Barnstormers.
Lowell
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From: "Paul Morel" <pmorel@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Need a Rotax 912 Exhaust system for a Speedster Model
IV
Still plugging away with the Speedster project and looking for a
muffler/exhaust system for a Rotax 912. If someone has one they are not
using, I'd be happy to buy it. New or used.
Paul Morel
Speedster Model IV
Locust Grove, Georgia
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| Subject: | thanks, great response! |
I thank all who responded to my new member to the list ad..I read them all! I would
like to address those who expressed a concern about sport light gross weight
issues and let you know that this is a new kit and never certified..I believe
that many of you are correct and that the 5,6&7 series can be either sport
light or the higher 1550 category.....once you decide you can not go back....I
will be going sport light for sure as I have seen too many of my friends loose
their medicals....now I hope to find a few who have built their 5 (or higher
series) and can give me some pointers and hints to avoid any pitfalls in building
my 5 outback.....nearly all of my time (25 years) has been in taildraggers
so I know that will not be a problem (my glasair being the hottest one) just
need to know what the actual performance with a jabiru 2200 would be and any
recommendations on any 4 stroke engine prop combinations...I am also looking
for some cowling if anyone
knows of any...like to use the sleek looking versus the classic bump cowl....I
am sure I will have a lot of questions to ask as I try to spool up on these
aircraft.....Thanks again for your help and feel free to contact me direct via
e-mail av8r2488@yahoo.com GARY
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| Subject: | Re: Merry Christmas |
I celebrated the 104th anniversary of the Wright Brother's first
flight by getting a fresh BFR this morning in the Turbo Arrow so,
along with the medical certificate I received last month, I'm good
for two more years!
My instructor and I then traded some hood time with each other and we
are both instrument current, too. :-)
Happy Holidays everyone!
Mike G.
N728KF (and N31870 today)
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 7 E-LSA |
First,my Kitfox 3 is 15 years old and I am the 3rd owner. we fell in love with
Kitfox just wanted a little more speed and baggage.
not a clue on manhours just know it was a lot less than the CH-701 Zenair.
David
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 12/16/07 |
Dick,
What you say here is correct just, misinterpeted by some. Remember that
the kit supplier IS NOT the manufacturer. The builder IS the manufacturer
and you, as the builder, can set your gross weight to what ever you want.
I'm sure you would have no problem at all setting the gross weight at a
figure less than what the kit supplier suggest for the max gross. Setting
the max gross weight at a figure greater than that recommended by the
supplier may bring on a horse of a different color.
Andy F.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Catz631@aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 7:08 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 12/16/07
In a message dated 12/17/2007 2:02:43 AM Central Standard Time,
kitfox-list@matronics.com writes:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/85dd_111.jpg
According To the EAA (per phone call) it is the Kit mfgr that determines
the max gross weight for the aircraft. I called John @ Kitfox and he told me
the only model that qualified was the Model 4 and below. However the new
model that they are making, has been recertified down to 1320 to qualify
although it can carry more because of a heavier airframe
Regards,
Dick Maddux
Model 4 classic
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| Subject: | Re: Primer installation 912UL |
One final note from me. I managed to drill a .025 hole through the center of
the 3.5mm screws that plugged the carb primer fittings. Then the head of the
screw was filed down so the diameter matched the O.D. of the brass barbed fitting.
The jets screw in nice and tight and the poly primer lines slip on normally.
--------
Gary Del Bel Belluz
Toronto, IV / 912UL
Just getting started
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| Subject: | Re: new member to the list |
Thanks Michael: You are right. The forward sweep was for the heavier
engine. I guess I was tired when I wrote that. I think Skystar introduced
the rearward sweep to accommodate the Rotax engines.
Ken Jones
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new member to the list
>
> Ken sez:
>
>>I assume the folks in this group will let me know if I'm incorrect in any
>>way.
>
> Good assumption, Ken. :-)
>
>>The empty weight of a Series IV 1200 is somewhat less. I don't know the
>>numbers for it. It's gross weight I think is 1200 lbs.
>
> My tricycle-gear Model IV-1200 Speedster with Rotax 912S came in at 660
> pounds empty. I told the FAA that its maximum weight would be 1230 and
> they didn't give me a hard time about it. That left a useful load of 570
> pounds.
>
>>Does this suggest that either one would be OK for light sport?
>
> Yes, if the finished airplane meets the requirements for light sport
> aircraft.
>
>>Am I correct in assuming the same engine on the lighter Series IV would
>>provide better performance than the heavier 7 with the same engine...?
>
> Less weight + same power = better performance.
>
>>After the new light sport rules they introduced a slightly forward sweep
>>of the wings allowing for use of lighter Rotax engines making them more
>>acceptable for light sport use.
>
> You'd want to sweep the wings forward with a heavier engine, not a lighter
> one. A heavier engine would shift the center of gravity forward,
> requiring a corresponding forward shift of the center of lift, which can
> be accomplished with the forward sweep.
>
> The aircraft I've seen with forward swept wings are usually earlier models
> with heavy engines.
>
>>If you want a bush plane to carry a heavier load you use the Continental
>>IO-240 without the forward wing sweep and have it certified with a 1550
>>lb. gross weight.
>
> You'd have an even greater payload if you used a lighter engine (such as
> the 912) at a max weight of 1550 due to the lower empty weight.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
> Phoenix, AZ
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: new member to the list |
Thanks Dana, your empty weight of 796 lbs. is really good news. I had been
led to believe an S7 would be much heavier. I don't recall were I got that
information, but I'm glad I was wrong. Another example of good data I
receive from this list.
Ken Jones
----- Original Message -----
From: "dwparker" <d.parker@sentinelfc.com>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:14 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: new member to the list
>
> I just received the Airworthiness Certificate for my Series 7 last
> Wednesday. I certified it at the 1320# with no problem.
>
> Ken, for your information my S7 weighed in at 796# empty weight. That
> weight is with most options, cabin heater, adjustable rudders, one piece
> turtle deck, and custom upholstery. I am running a 912S with a GSC 3
> bladed prop. I also did not skimp on the finish - because I painted it
> yellow I needed to put down a cross coat of white Poly-Tone over the
> Poly-Spray before putting two cross coats of yellow finish on it. I would
> think you should be able to finish yours well under the 900# you targeted.
>
> Dana Parker
> N474DP Series 7 w/912S
> Westport, IN
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152657#152657
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