---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/21/07: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:03 AM - Kitfox instructor in Michigan (Rexster) 2. 04:24 AM - Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips (LarryM) 3. 04:50 AM - Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips (Michel Verheughe) 4. 05:44 AM - Re: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips (Lynn Matteson) 5. 07:00 AM - Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips (kitfoxmike) 6. 07:05 AM - Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips (kitfoxmike) 7. 07:35 AM - Re: Any Winter Flying Tips (dave) 8. 07:41 AM - Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips (dave) 9. 08:16 AM - Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips (Tom Jones) 10. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips (Lynn Matteson) 11. 11:06 AM - Re: Another ELT Question (Noel Loveys) 12. 11:44 AM - Thermostats (Frank Miles) 13. 11:44 AM - Re: Another ELT Question (darinh) 14. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: ELT // remember this is a 406 not a 121.5 (Noel Loveys) 15. 01:15 PM - Re: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips (JC Propeller Design) 16. 02:14 PM - Model 3 With Model 4 Wing For Sale (Steve Magdic) 17. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips (Lynn Matteson) 18. 03:09 PM - INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? (PEDRO PEREZ) 19. 03:22 PM - Re: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? (dave) 20. 03:22 PM - Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips (kitfoxmike) 21. 04:04 PM - Fw: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? (PEDRO PEREZ) 22. 04:55 PM - Re: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? (dave) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:03:54 AM PST US From: "Rexster" Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox instructor in Michigan Shachar, There's quite a few of us in EAA Chapter 13 who own and fly Kitfoxes. We also have instructors in the chapter. We are about 20 miles north of Detroit. Contact me off line at runwayrex@juno.com. Our website is www. EAAchapter13.org. Rex Phelps / Model 3 / Warp / 912 UL Clinton Twp, Michigan -- "Shachar Golan" wrote: Hello, Did someone know about instructor in Michigan (Detroit area) that can teach me on my new Kitfox? Thanks Shachar Golan Tel (248) 767-6630 ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ==== _____________________________________________________________ Click now for huge savings on quality flea control products! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mhbuv6XLwE74e734MLus2 6SPrpXiFsb8QRFFUx8N1XyS8ld/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:27 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips From: "LarryM" Is it possible that is not the controls being too sensitive, but rather more effective due to the cold air being more dense. That said, perhaps you can slow down a bit to avoid the ballooning. larry "I have one, be gentle on stick movements on landing. They get pretty sensitive with the colder weather. You will balloon on landing so be careful not to pull back as much as you do in the summer. " Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153482#153482 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:17 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips > From: LarryM [CrownLJ@verizon.net] > Is it possible that is not the controls being too sensitive, but rather more effective > due to the cold air being more dense. Years ago, I was reading in a yachting magazine about the wind being 'stronger' in the winter time. Some sailors had the impression that, for a same wind force, the boat was heeling more in the winter. Apparently, while it is true due to the denser air, it is hardly noticeable and the feeling that the wind was 'stronger' in the winter came from a very subjective feeling since cold winds 'bite' more than warm ones. As pilots we know that colder and denser air is noticeable in e.g. our climb rate: denser air in the carb, denser air around the wing, it works like magic. But would that make the controls more sensitive? I am not sure. Denser air means greater coefficient of lift but also greater coefficient of drag. Is'nt it that equilibrium that keeps our aircraft in the air and affects the control surfaces? Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:15 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips Could this denser air be the reason that I'm noticing a reduction in available rpm during climbout? I started to notice a few weeks ago that my engine is not turning the same rpm on climbout as it did earlier. Thinking that it might have been some carb work that I did, I changed back to original equipment, and that didn't help. To be truthful, I hadn't paid any attention to climbout rpm up until recently, since I've logged so many hours on the plane and got complacent, but now I'm concerned. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/440+ hrs On Dec 21, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote: >> From: LarryM [CrownLJ@verizon.net] >> Is it possible that is not the controls being too sensitive, but >> rather more effective >> due to the cold air being more dense. > > Years ago, I was reading in a yachting magazine about the wind > being 'stronger' in the winter time. Some sailors had the > impression that, for a same wind force, the boat was heeling more > in the winter. > Apparently, while it is true due to the denser air, it is hardly > noticeable and the feeling that the wind was 'stronger' in the > winter came from a very subjective feeling since cold winds 'bite' > more than warm ones. > As pilots we know that colder and denser air is noticeable in e.g. > our climb rate: denser air in the carb, denser air around the wing, > it works like magic. > But would that make the controls more sensitive? I am not sure. > Denser air means greater coefficient of lift but also greater > coefficient of drag. Is'nt it that equilibrium that keeps our > aircraft in the air and affects the control surfaces? > > Cheers, > Michel Verheughe > Norway > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 > > > 

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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:30 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips From: "kitfoxmike" LarryM wrote: > Is it possible that is not the controls being too sensitive, but rather more effective due to the cold air being more dense. That said, perhaps you can slow down a bit to avoid the ballooning. > > larry > > "I have one, be gentle on stick movements on landing. They get pretty sensitive with the colder weather. You will balloon on landing so be careful not to pull back as much as you do in the summer. " Call it what you want, but you will cut into the denser air even at slow speed. The controls get more sensitive, is the best way to describe it. I'm just giving a warning that full back just as you settle WILL put that nose way up and then go up and then you stall and drop or you catch it and put in power and do a go around. It will surprise you so be careful, the colder air is nice, but it will bite you if you don't watch it. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying enough" Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153503#153503 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:43 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips From: "kitfoxmike" Could this denser air be the reason that I'm noticing a reduction in available rpm during climbout? I started to notice a few weeks ago that my engine is not turning the same rpm on climbout as it did earlier. Thinking that it might have been some carb work that I did, I changed back to original equipment, and that didn't help. To be truthful, I hadn't paid any attention to climbout rpm up until recently, since I've logged so many hours on the plane and got complacent, but now I'm concerned. Lynn, you are spot on with your observations. I to have noticed a reduction in my rpm. At wide open throttle static test before takeoff I was 150rpm lower at 23 degrees outside compared to 40 degrees. This was an observation taken within a weeks time. Temps changed within that week that much, I also flew every day so I could make the call. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying enough" Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153504#153504 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:52 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Any Winter Flying Tips From: "dave" Jareds, Hope this helps Here is a post i made last year http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=19987 Here is a Ski video of my Kitfox in 30" powder. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0COIbiwm9g over 20 videos of Kitfox flying here http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer&p=r Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:53 am Post subject: Ski flying -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok, Season is here and A few are ski flyers and sounds like a few more will becoming Ski fliers. I wanted to say a good story from Noel a few days ago on the coffin that got tossed from the Beaver. I got a good chuckle anyhow. He did bring on a good point with the greenage put along the runway. One thing I have always used on Ski planes is a good set of sunglasses or coloured lens that suit you th best for giving good depth perception. For anyone that has skied you will know how those cloudy days give the worst depth perception from flat and low light conditions. And when on skis if you cannot see the surface at all then you might not see ruts, drifts and chunks of ice and snow on your intended take off or landing path. This can spell disaster very quickly. So you have to be able to see better. Now add some blowing snow and ground drifting and you will be even more blind. I have found that yellow glasses work well you know the ones used for shooting. I wear glasses and I have a pair of yellow safety glasses in the plane . I also have my old Bolle IREX lens which are prescription ground. There are mountaineering glasses and work excellent. I am sure most have decent sunglasses now with IR and UV protection so next time you out in the snow take a few pairs with you and see what works best. I even find these help alot in the cars during snowy days adn whiteout conditions in the daytimer as the light refracts off the blowing snow. Also dress for winter in case you go down. zero F is not place to be with just pants and sweat shirt. I carry a winter survival kit with me as well as lots of waterproof matches, rope , hatchet, saw and a few small tarps and extra gloves and hat. Heater - Cabin heat . I have a scoop off the back of my radiator that blows heated air about 160 F into the cabin on each side of the flap handle through 2 1" holes -- Not enough for below 20F but helps a bit. I also have a heat muff on the Muffler 13 " x 9 " that is piped into the cabin via 2 1 1/2" Scat tubes. This makes me comfortable down to -10 F . at this OAT the cabin will be about 40 to 45 F on a cloudy day and warmer on sunny days. On a average winter day with temps at 20 F the cain will be about 50 to 60 F on a cloudy day. Good heater is certainly worth the effort. Good battery is always helpful but also on my 582 good handproping skills is VERY Helpful if you do not have a pull start. The ducati igntion needs minimum of 250 RPM to get a spark generated and when temps get below 30 F I find with that cold viscous gear oil it slows the starter enough that it can be hard to start. I always turn over the prop about 10 ot 15 turns to help loosen up oil a bit. But this is not always enough. But a few good swings of the prop and it will usually fire right away. (YES those 3 to 1 gear gear boxes really spin that engine quick enought by hand. ) Your enricher ( some call it a choke ) will work but a primer makes the easiest starts. Nothing sucks more than when you are all set to go out a pristine cold winter day and the engine will not fire. Good walk around as usual but including your skis , bungees, crust cutter cable and safety cables. I see many guys use a bungee from tip of ski amd this can lead to failure of the bugge from snow abrasion so keep an eye on them. Those 4 ot 5 foot skis put a good strain on your axles and gear as well, so always keep a sharp eye for anything that does not look still "aligned" on those big feet of yours. Surely most of you know but always look for frost and ice ...... It will destroy alot if not all your lift. AS well as ice on control surfaces can cause binding. Make sure drain holes are clear in fuselage and you have not picked up 10 or 20 pounds inside your tail of ice from weather. I could go on but Sun will be up soon here and time to go Ski flying ! Thanks to Paul Seehafer for the good write up on Ski flying and the video link . Thanks Paul and great video !! And once you all get on skis and floats -- you just might realize what you been missing and throw those silly black rubber doughnuts away you been used to You think landing on glassy water is smooth - try it 2 to 3 feet of fresh snow !! Dave http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=37203 -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153509#153509 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:55 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips From: "dave" Put my skis on late day yesterday. got in about 30s mins of flying -- what a blast !!! -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153512#153512 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:40 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips From: "Tom Jones" > Could this denser air be the reason that I'm noticing a reduction in > available rpm during climbout? Fuel mixture will be leaner than in warm thiner air. You might try richening the mixture a bit to see if rpm increases. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV, Phase one 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153527#153527 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:19 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips Well, if I am "spot on," it's due to information I got from Deke, who's been flying longer than me by a long shot. He mentioned density to me the other night via phone, but it seemed to not be my problem at first. Then I got to thinking about my recent rpm during takeoff and climbout, and I probably hadn't been paying attention, because I was more looking at EGT's, CHT's and feeling the effects of my new heater modifications. My rpm's could have been getting lower and lower with the changes in air density, and I wouldn't have noticed. Then when I did some carb mods, I DID pay attention and "suddenly" I had lost rpm. Having gone back to Jabiru's original carb specs, and not seeing any change to rpm's, I started to look for other engine problems. Just changed plugs today, but am not looking for any great jump in revs, just doing normal maintenance. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/440+ hrs On Dec 21, 2007, at 10:03 AM, kitfoxmike wrote: > > > Could this denser air be the reason that I'm noticing a reduction in > available rpm during climbout? I started to notice a few weeks ago > that my engine is not turning the same rpm on climbout as it did > earlier. Thinking that it might have been some carb work that I did, > I changed back to original equipment, and that didn't help. To be > truthful, I hadn't paid any attention to climbout rpm up until > recently, since I've logged so many hours on the plane and got > complacent, but now I'm concerned. > > > Lynn, > you are spot on with your observations. I to have noticed a > reduction in my rpm. At wide open throttle static test before > takeoff I was 150rpm lower at 23 degrees outside compared to 40 > degrees. This was an observation taken within a weeks time. Temps > changed within that week that much, I also flew every day so I > could make the call. > > -------- > kitfoxmike > model IV, 1200 > speedster > 912ul > building > RV7a > slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit > "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then > you're not flying enough" > Do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153504#153504 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:38 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Another ELT Question Really, you can mount the antenna any where but don't expect to get any efficiency out of it. A lot of the segments of the fuselage are around 22" and can resonate with the 406 mhz. and rob power from your transponder. Composite aircraft being basically plastic can have these antennae moulded into the different surfaces. You might want to consider mounting the antenna along the leading edge of the vertical stab but it should be mounted on standoffs that keep the antenna a few inches form the stab. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 4:10 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Another ELT Question I went ahead and got an ME-406 for my Series 7 with the whip antenna and was wondering if the antenna can be mounted in the fuse (see other ELT post for details if interested). It is a pretty ugly wire looking thing and would prefer to have it enclosed but don't know if that will affect its transmission capabilities. I know other antennas can be mounted inside. Does anyone know that answer to this question? Do Not Archive -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 (under Construction) 914 Turbo Ogden, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153335#153335 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:26 AM PST US From: "Frank Miles" Subject: Kitfox-List: Thermostats I have 582 that on initial startup runs up to 180 degrees and then drops back to 140 and stays there. Are there other thermostats available? Say, 160 or 180=92s. Would be nice in this cold weather! Frank Miles k-III w/582 12/21/2007 1:17 PM ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:27 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Another ELT Question From: "darinh" >From the replies is sounds like nobody really knows if it can be mounted in the fuse or not...I guess until it has to be used and you can test your chosen location, we will not not. I actually prefer to never know if my ELT antenna really works, at least from an experience stand point. I am going to mount it to the top of the fuse at the aft antenna ground plane. The manufacturer says it needs to be on top outside the fuse. If I end up upside down in an accident, well my PLB should take over from there. Thanks for the replies. -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 (under Construction) 914 Turbo Ogden, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153558#153558 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:28 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: ELT // remember this is a 406 not a 121.5 It could be affected more if the skins are wet. Water absorbs a lot of RF. Why not install the antenna along the side of the windshield with suction cups? After all its less than 7 1/4" in length. For vertical transmission the antenna could be set up horizontal but this would give serious lobes in the transmit pattern. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 12:02 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: ELT // remember this is a 406 not a 121.5 The 406 will punch through light tree cover, so I would suspect it'll have no problem until the silver coating on the fabric is the thickness of sheetmetal. This is a question to call an experienced avionics shop with and ask about. Let us know what you learn. -------- Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153447#153447 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:37 PM PST US From: "JC Propeller Design" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips This something I noticed on my old Aeronca Champ. A-65 also, less RPM in winter but better thrust and climb. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "kitfoxmike" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 4:03 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips > > Could this denser air be the reason that I'm noticing a reduction in > available rpm during climbout? I started to notice a few weeks ago > that my engine is not turning the same rpm on climbout as it did > earlier. Thinking that it might have been some carb work that I did, > I changed back to original equipment, and that didn't help. To be > truthful, I hadn't paid any attention to climbout rpm up until > recently, since I've logged so many hours on the plane and got > complacent, but now I'm concerned. > > > Lynn, > you are spot on with your observations. I to have noticed a reduction in > my rpm. At wide open throttle static test before takeoff I was 150rpm > lower at 23 degrees outside compared to 40 degrees. This was an > observation taken within a weeks time. Temps changed within that week > that much, I also flew every day so I could make the call. > > -------- > kitfoxmike > model IV, 1200 > speedster > 912ul > building > RV7a > slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit > "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not > flying enough" > Do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153504#153504 > > > __________ NOD32 2740 (20071221) Information __________ > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:05 PM PST US From: "Steve Magdic" Subject: Kitfox-List: Model 3 With Model 4 Wing For Sale Sorry, I failed to mention where the Model 3 is located. I'm up in prime EAA country just west of Milwaukee Wisconsin in the town of Sussex (53089). Pictures can be seen on the Matronics photo-share site. Look for the "Steve Magdic" heading. Let me know if you need more pictures or info. Thanks, Steve 490PA ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:42 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips Thanks, Jan...this is what I was hoping would happen in this thread...people who have flown with fixed-pitch props, comparing the seasonal changes with engine output. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/440+ hrs do not archive On Dec 21, 2007, at 4:14 PM, JC Propeller Design wrote: > > > This something I noticed on my old Aeronca Champ. A-65 also, less > RPM in winter but better thrust and climb. > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "kitfoxmike" > > To: > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 4:03 PM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips > > >> >> >> Could this denser air be the reason that I'm noticing a reduction in >> available rpm during climbout? I started to notice a few weeks ago >> that my engine is not turning the same rpm on climbout as it did >> earlier. Thinking that it might have been some carb work that I did, >> I changed back to original equipment, and that didn't help. To be >> truthful, I hadn't paid any attention to climbout rpm up until >> recently, since I've logged so many hours on the plane and got >> complacent, but now I'm concerned. >> >> >> >> Lynn, >> you are spot on with your observations. I to have noticed a >> reduction in my rpm. At wide open throttle static test before >> takeoff I was 150rpm lower at 23 degrees outside compared to 40 >> degrees. This was an observation taken within a weeks time. Temps >> changed within that week that much, I also flew every day so I >> could make the call. >> >> -------- >> kitfoxmike >> model IV, 1200 >> speedster >> 912ul >> building >> RV7a >> slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit >> "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then >> you're not flying enough" >> Do not archive >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153504#153504 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2740 (20071221) Information __________ >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:14 PM PST US From: "PEDRO PEREZ" Subject: Kitfox-List: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? HELLO: LIST I AM INTEREST TO INSTALL AMPHIB. LOTUS TO MY CLASSIC IV. IT HAVE A 80 HP ENGINE ."VERNER" DO I NEED TO TEST ANY PERFORMANCE BEFORE TO BE SURE THAT FLOATS WILL BE A GOOD OPTION!!! DO LOTUS ARE THE LIGHTEST ON MARKET? WHAT ABOUT THE BRAKES ON IT? IT WILL BE USED IN SALT WATER!!!!!! NEED HELP ON MY DESITION.... SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH... PEDRO PEREZ KITFOX - CLASSIC IV W/ VERNER ENGINE IN PUERTO RICO ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:43 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? From: "dave" Pedro, What is your performance numbers now and empty weight ? Full lotus will work but not as aerodynamic as others. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153593#153593 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:46 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips From: "kitfoxmike" could be that the prop is digging in, pushing more air molecules. So the rpms drop. but you have more thrust. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying enough" Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153594#153594 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:30 PM PST US From: "PEDRO PEREZ" Subject: Fw: Kitfox-List: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? CRUISE 65 TO 75 MPH EMPTY WEIGHT: 630 ----- Original Message ----- From: PEDRO PEREZ Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 7:05 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? HELLO: LIST I AM INTEREST TO INSTALL AMPHIB. LOTUS TO MY CLASSIC IV. IT HAVE A 80 HP ENGINE ."VERNER" DO I NEED TO TEST ANY PERFORMANCE BEFORE TO BE SURE THAT FLOATS WILL BE A GOOD OPTION!!! DO LOTUS ARE THE LIGHTEST ON MARKET? WHAT ABOUT THE BRAKES ON IT? IT WILL BE USED IN SALT WATER!!!!!! NEED HELP ON MY DESITION.... SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH... PEDRO PEREZ KITFOX - CLASSIC IV W/ VERNER ENGINE IN PUERTO RICO ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:07 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? From: "dave" > CRUISE 65 TO 75 MPH > EMPTY WEIGHT: 630 > Empty weight is good. Cruise seems a bit slow ? how long is your take off run on wheels and what climb rate do you get ? -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153608#153608 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.