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1. 01:17 AM - Re: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips (Michel Verheughe)
2. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? (PEDRO PEREZ)
3. 07:40 AM - Re: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? (dave)
4. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips ()
5. 11:44 AM - Re: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? ()
6. 12:07 PM - Re: Thermostats ()
7. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: Thermostats (Frank Miles)
8. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? (PEDRO PEREZ)
9. 01:53 PM - (Off topic) UFO? (Michel Verheughe)
10. 02:01 PM - Re: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? (dave)
11. 02:12 PM - Re: (Off topic) UFO? (john oakley)
12. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? ()
13. 05:17 PM - Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips (kitfoxmike)
14. 05:37 PM - Re: Thermostats (Dave G.)
15. 06:35 PM - FW: Santa, like you've never seen him before.... (RAY Gignac)
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| Subject: | Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips |
On Dec 22, 2007, at 12:22 AM, kitfoxmike wrote:
> could be that the prop is digging in, pushing more air molecules. So
> the rpms drop. but you have more thrust.
In my very humble opinion:
I think it's about something called density altitude. On a warm day,
it's like flying higher, you'll need a longer take-off distance. Now,
we have a simple way to analyse this: Say, if you fly at 10,000 feet,
will your Kitfox:
1) Run at a higher RPM?
2) Have less sensitive controls?
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? |
ABOUT 500 FTS. RUN FOR TAKE OFF & 500 FTS/PER MIN CLIMB WITH WIND IN
CALM
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 8:54 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ???
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>> CRUISE 65 TO 75 MPH
>> EMPTY WEIGHT: 630
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>
> Empty weight is good.
>
> Cruise seems a bit slow ?
>
> how long is your take off run on wheels and what climb rate do you get ?
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> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
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| Subject: | Re: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? |
> KITFOX(at)CHOICECABLE.NET Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:26 am Post subject:
INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ???
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> ABOUT 500 FTS. RUN FOR TAKE OFF & 500 FTS/PER MIN CLIMB WITH WIND IN
> CALM
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Is that on wheels ? If so -- your float operations will be marginal at best.
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| Subject: | Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips |
Michel sez:
> ...if you fly at 10,000 feet, will your Kitfox:
> 1) Run at a higher RPM?
> 2) Have less sensitive controls?
I did not take notice in my Kitfox but I can tell you that when I took my old normally-aspirated
Arrow up to 14,000 feet one day (just barely!) the controls
were quite sluggish. The Turbo Arrow handles nicely up into the flight levels
but it has an entirely different wing, much larger control surfaces and the turbocharger
allows it to operate at more normal speeds (the old Arrow was just
holding altitude at Vy).
My Kitfox and both Arrows have adjustable pitch props, so I don't know what happens
to RPM.
Mike G.
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? |
Hi Pedro,
I have Full Lotus amphibs on my model 3 (empty weight 440 lbs). When
sitting on the amphib gear the front spreader bar bends about 1 to 1 1/2
inches in the center (Skystar supplied rigging). This would probably
not be a problem if EVERY wheel landing was perfect. I am not even
close to being that good of a pilot. I only use the wheels to move the
Kitfox around the ramp, and remove them once I get into the water. My
cruise is about the same as yours, about 70 mph.
We've had plenty of cold, but just got enough snow. Looking forward to
ski flying, the best there is.
Regards,
John Stoner
KF III, 582
Alaska
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Hi Frank,
I have a 582 in my model 3 with a 130 degree thermostat. When it is
warming up I'll see the temp gauge go up to about 140 and then back to
130. I'm assuming this is when the thermostat is opening. Once this
happens I simply go fly. I once tested the 'shock cooling' by
descending 6,000 feet (over a frozen lake for safety) at idle. The temp
never went below 130 and upon opening to full throttle there was no
hesitation.
As an aside my Skystar supplied cockpit heater keeps the interior about
30 degrees warmer than ambient temp. When it is below zero frost builds
up on the windscreen, so I generally don't fly at temps that low.
Perhaps a hotter thermostat would provide more cockpit heat.
Regards,
John Stoner
KF III, 582
Alaska
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Thanks John for your input. There was no pretense at making the Kitfox air
tight and we all know that they leak like a sieve so any additional heat is
appreciated. I also have the small heater that I assume came from Kitfox and
it helps keep my feet warm.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that these two cycle engines should run
at 160 and not exceed 180 degrees but I may remember wrong. I do that
sometimes. If there is a different thermostats for them I have not been find
it. Thanks again.
Frank
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dcaofak@acsalaska.net
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Thermostats
Hi Frank,
I have a 582 in my model 3 with a 130 degree thermostat. When it is warming
up I'll see the temp gauge go up to about 140 and then back to 130. I'm
assuming this is when the thermostat is opening. Once this happens I simply
go fly. I once tested the 'shock cooling' by descending 6,000 feet (over a
frozen lake for safety) at idle. The temp never went below 130 and upon
opening to full throttle there was no hesitation.
As an aside my Skystar supplied cockpit heater keeps the interior about 30
degrees warmer than ambient temp. When it is below zero frost builds up on
the windscreen, so I generally don't fly at temps that low. Perhaps a
hotter thermostat would provide more cockpit heat.
Regards,
John Stoner
KF III, 582
Alaska
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| Subject: | Re: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? |
IF OUR FOX ARE TAIL WHEEL HOW DO NOSE WHEEL ACT WITH FLOATS. WE DO NOT
HAVE NOSE GEAR?
----- Original Message -----
From: dcaofak@acsalaska.net
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 3:41 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ???
Hi Pedro,
I have Full Lotus amphibs on my model 3 (empty weight 440 lbs). When
sitting on the amphib gear the front spreader bar bends about 1 to 1 1/2
inches in the center (Skystar supplied rigging). This would probably
not be a problem if EVERY wheel landing was perfect. I am not even
close to being that good of a pilot. I only use the wheels to move the
Kitfox around the ramp, and remove them once I get into the water. My
cruise is about the same as yours, about 70 mph.
We've had plenty of cold, but just got enough snow. Looking forward
to ski flying, the best there is.
Regards,
John Stoner
KF III, 582
Alaska
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| Subject: | (Off topic) UFO? |
Hello everyone,
Today, I went flying for a while and this is what I saw:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Santa.html
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? |
Pedro ,
the point i was making was the performance you have with your vernier engine on
wheels might not be good enough to support your plane on floats.
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
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| Subject: | (Off topic) UFO? |
Michel,
I heard he was practicing his IFR approaches. He probably needs to do that
because he has an old system and his loran is worthless now. While Rudolf is
current he has ear problems since that encounter with the 747 last winter.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 2:50 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: (Off topic) UFO?
Hello everyone,
Today, I went flying for a while and this is what I saw:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Santa.html
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Re: INSTALL FLOATS ON CLASSIC IV ??? |
The amphib gear I got from Full Lotus is conventional gear, that is
taildragger. I use the mounting points for the tail wheels to mount the
water rudders.
Regards,
John Stoner
KF III, 582
Alaska
<
IF OUR FOX ARE TAIL WHEEL HOW DO NOSE WHEEL ACT WITH FLOATS. WE DO NOT
HAVE NOSE GEAR?>
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| Subject: | Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips |
Michel wrote:
> On Dec 22, 2007, at 12:22 AM, kitfoxmike wrote:
>
> > could be that the prop is digging in, pushing more air molecules. So
> > the rpms drop. but you have more thrust.
> >
> >
>
> In my very humble opinion:
> I think it's about something called density altitude. On a warm day,
> it's like flying higher, you'll need a longer take-off distance. Now,
> we have a simple way to analyse this: Say, if you fly at 10,000 feet,
> will your Kitfox:
> 1) Run at a higher RPM?
> 2) Have less sensitive controls?
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
[Shocked] [Shocked]
sorry but me and my kitfox get scared at that altitude. [Shocked] [Embarassed]
[Rolling Eyes]
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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Are all these very stable temps with a model 90 or a Bluehead mod 99??
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
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----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Miles
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 3:41 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Thermostats
I have 582 that on initial startup runs up to 180 degrees and then
drops back to 140 and stays there. Are there other thermostats
available? Say, 160 or 180=92s. Would be nice in this cold weather!
Frank Miles
k-III w/582
12/21/2007 1:17 PM
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| Subject: | FW: Santa, like you've never seen him before.... |
Merry Christmas to all my Kitfox buds! Enjoy
Ray
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a, like you've never seen him before....Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:41:04 -05
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07 12:57 amSubject: Santa, like you've never seen him before....
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