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1. 02:38 AM - Re: Thermostats (dave)
2. 05:00 AM - Re: Flight of Eight. (kitfoxjunky)
3. 05:15 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? (kitfoxjunky)
4. 05:50 AM - simple elevator trim system (Catz631@aol.com)
5. 07:42 AM - Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips (Bob)
6. 10:38 AM - 912 no spark (Kem Dunnebacke)
7. 12:17 PM - happy holidays (great bear)
8. 12:36 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? (Paul Seehafer)
9. 12:53 PM - Re: happy holidays (Lynn Matteson)
10. 01:30 PM - Re: Thermostats (LarryM)
11. 02:25 PM - Re: simple elevator trim system (LarryM)
12. 02:51 PM - kitfox III 0-235 (Pat Reilly)
13. 03:14 PM - Re: kitfox III 0-235 (Dee Young)
14. 04:36 PM - Re: kitfox III 0-235 (Lynn Matteson)
15. 06:16 PM - Merry Christmas 2007 (Noel Loveys)
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Standard thermostat will open about 135F- 140F so you will see you gauge go to
140 or so then once it opens it will drop back to 130f or so as the cold coolant
from rad starts to flow then the thermostat will close again till 140F again.
This cycle might happen a a few times until the engine can finally keep all
the coolant over 140F, this is what I wait for until full power is applied.
When flying and after a long decent with temps in the 130 or lower range, I would
be use less throttle until the engine temps get up to 140F or so again, full
throttle could bring on a "cold seizure" at this point.
Simplest solution is to cover up part of your Rad or design a shutter for it .
Normal operating temps should be 160 to 180F, over 1860 F is the caution area
and 200F is definitely a trouble zone. If you thermostat is opening at 180F could
it be sticking or a off brand that is doing this ? Sounds like it works
ok though ?
The Blue head has the by pass on the engine and helps it keep warmer by being able
to circulate the water around the engine in a loop before the thermostat
opens. My Blue head is at 370 hours or so since June 2006 and never been open
yet. It could fly apart at anytime now , that is my disclaimer :)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Flight of Eight. |
Great Video archive Lowell. Spent most of the morning looking it over.
Bookmarked it for future reference. If others have not seen this it is
worth a peak.
http://highwingllc.com/videoarchive.html
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? |
Very cool Paul. Who is the young guy in the photo? :-)
Bunk of seaplane guys around here are talking about going to Oshkosh this
year. Never been there in my Kitfox. Maybe I will tag along. Will buy you
a beer if I make it.
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
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| Subject: | simple elevator trim system |
I thought I would share this with the group.Perhaps someone else could use it
also.I am a heavy pilot (230lbs) and as such I am always holding forward
stick at cruise.The flap reflux is not enough to overcome this so I decided to
come up with another method of trimming the pressure off. I did not want to cut
open the elevator to install an electric trim so I devised another method that
was similar to the one used in another experimental I owned(Nesmith Cougar)
I installed a small bracket on the floor to hold one end of a small bungee
(bracket held down by one of the radiator attach bolts going thru the floor
board) I then found an Adel clamp ,removed the rubber and lined the clamp with
a
small piece of Teflon cowl tape (slick and will not scratch the stick) I
attached the clamp to the pilots control stick and used a wing nut and bolt to
tighten the clamp to the stick so that by adjusting the wingnut, I would have just
enough friction to barly slide it up and down the stick. The other end of the
small bungee(about 6 in long ) attaches to the Adel clamp.The idea here is as
you are flying along you reach down and move the clamp up the stick with your
fingers and the tension on the bungee increases until no forward pressure is
required and you fly hands off. On landing just move the clamp to the bottom of
the stick and pressure is gone.VERY SIMPLE and works perfectly.
Dick Maddux
Kitfox 4-1200
Rotax 912UL
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| Subject: | Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips |
>From the engineering perspective, the increased effectivity of controls and reduced
rpm from a fixed pitch prop should be expected. Density altitude is the
pilot's term, while the engineers use a reference to standard day conditions.
Same thing, just different frames of reference. KitFoxMike and Michel are right,
as usual.
With respect to flight controls, each simply changes the coefficient of lift for
the percentage of wing or tail surface that they are applicable to. In the
KF series, the flight controls apply to the whole wing and whole tail. So if you
think in terms of % change from standard day conditions for a given coefficient
of lift, it means that the wing or tail can generate more lift and drag.
Lift being a bigger number, we get a bigger benefit in it than in drag and the
airplane takes of quicker, climbs better, but cruises a bit slower.
Same applies to the engine and prop. The direct reason that your rpm has gone
down is that the prop is moving a thicker fluid (air) and that takes more energy.
But the engine is relatively inefficient at turning fuel and air into mechanical
power. You can re-jet or play with your mixture control, but the bigger
change is in the propeller side of the powerplant equation.
Bob
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Members, A little Help Please? 912,IV, not firing? i don't have SPARK? does
anyone have a check system? what one might do to start checking for the reason?
new plugs,mid-time wires,coil,and pick up. Thanks Kem 252-638-5828 kitfoxivplay@gmail.com
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I wanted to wish all of the fellow builders a happy holiday and lets hope we all
have a better new year....I will be picking up my 5 outback right after new
years day.....cant wait....just need to decide on an engine prop combination......it
my understanding the 912s is highly recommended. GARY av8r2488@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? |
Hey Gary, that was me back when I was in my 20's.....geez, how time
flies!
Oshkosh next year for a bunch of you? COOOOOL! Would love to see you
guys show up at the seaplane base! And yes, I'd be happy to buy a beer.
The more the merrier you know. Check out our website at
www.oshkoshseaplanebase.com for more info and pics if you haven't
already.
Oh yeah, here's a Christmas card for all my Kitfox pals here on the net.
(and now Gary can see how I've aged if he compares it against the photo
in the earlier post) Smile :-)
Merry Christmas everyone!
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
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From: kitfoxjunky
Very cool Paul. Who is the young guy in the photo? :-)
Bunk of seaplane guys around here are talking about going to Oshkosh
this year. Never been there in my Kitfox. Maybe I will tag along. Will
buy you a beer if I make it.
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
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| Subject: | Re: happy holidays |
I might suggest looking into the Jabiru 3300. A few on the list have
flown or at least started this combo. At least I think they were
using a Series 5 or higher with their Jab 3300. I love my IV with a
2200 Jab. See the November 2007 issue of Sport Pilot, pages 20-25,
for some thoughts regarding engine choice.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/450+ hrs
On Dec 23, 2007, at 3:14 PM, great bear wrote:
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> I wanted to wish all of the fellow builders a happy holiday and
> lets hope we all have a better new year....I will be picking up my
> 5 outback right after new years day.....cant wait....just need to
> decide on an engine prop combination......it my understanding the
> 912s is highly recommended. GARY av8r2488@yahoo.com
>
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- To help with the rad temps, I use "Thermostat 3853799 Bombardier Evinrude Johnson",
in the fall and replace with the Rotax one in the spring. This thermostat
is 160F and I see temps of 160 - 170 regardless of what I do with the throttle.
- Ensure the water temp is warm, I use about 130 before I rev over 3000. Ensure
that the thermostat is open and water circulating for a few minutes before high
power operations.
- I preheat the engine at all winter temps with an inline radiator heater. I got
mine for $20. specifically for Ski Doo. ( any 1" hose one will do). I set it
on a timer the night before I fly. Amazing what a difference an hour or 2 of
heat will do. Starting water temp 80-100F. It starts and idles better at 20F after
heating than in the summer. ( tells me I must have the summer idle too rich?)
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| Subject: | Re: simple elevator trim system |
Dick,
That sound like a great system. I always thought that the reflex makes the nose
come up, and lowering flaps a few degrees brought the nose down?
Larry
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| Subject: | kitfox III 0-235 |
Does anybody have experience on installing a Lycoming 0-235 in a KF mod
III? I know of one in a IV mod on floats. I have a Mod III set up for a
912. I don't have a 912 engine and was planning on putting in a 582, but
would rather have a 4 stroke without a gear reduction.
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox III 0-235 |
You might consider the Jab. 2200. Good engine, four stroke, air cooled
and 2000 hrs TBO. 0-235 probably a wee bit heavy.
Dee Young
Model II
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From: Pat Reilly<mailto:patreilly43@hotmail.com>
To: Kitfox-List@matronics.com<mailto:Kitfox-List@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 3:50 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox III 0-235
Does anybody have experience on installing a Lycoming 0-235 in a KF
mod III? I know of one in a IV mod on floats. I have a Mod III set up
for a 912. I don't have a 912 engine and was planning on putting in a
582, but would rather have a 4 stroke without a gear reduction.
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox III 0-235 |
I'll second that suggestion....only one carb to mess with, no coolant
problems, no gearbox whine...I've got 450 hours on mine with only
minor "growing pains."
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/450+ hrs
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On Dec 23, 2007, at 6:15 PM, Dee Young wrote:
> You might consider the Jab. 2200. Good engine, four stroke, air
> cooled and 2000 hrs TBO. 0-235 probably a wee bit heavy.
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> Dee Young
> Model II
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> Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox III 0-235
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> Does anybody have experience on installing a Lycoming 0-235 in a KF
> mod III? I know of one in a IV mod on floats. I have a Mod III set
> up for a 912. I don't have a 912 engine and was planning on putting
> in a 582, but would rather have a 4 stroke without a gear reduction.
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| Subject: | Merry Christmas 2007 |
To one an all, a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous 2008.
December 23 10:45P.M. Newfoundland Standard Time.
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, N.D.B., Newfoundland, Canada
E-Mail: noelloveys@yahoo.ca
Kitfox III-A, 582, B-Box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100 floats.
CDN Rec-PP, AME intern.
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of great bear
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: happy holidays
I wanted to wish all of the fellow builders a happy holiday and lets hope we
all have a better new year....I will be picking up my 5 outback right after
new years day.....cant wait....just need to decide on an engine prop
combination......it my understanding the 912s is highly recommended. GARY
av8r2488@yahoo.com
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