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1. 03:54 AM - Super STOL You tube video (Paul Seehafer)
2. 03:58 AM - Re: Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips (Michel Verheughe)
3. 04:16 AM - Re: Super STOL You tube video (kitfoxjunky)
4. 04:35 AM - Re: kitfox III 0-235 (kitfoxjunky)
5. 04:53 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? (kitfoxjunky)
6. 05:03 AM - Re: elevator trim (Catz631@aol.com)
7. 05:18 AM - Re: kitfox III 0-235 (Lynn Matteson)
8. 05:35 AM - Re: kitfox III 0-235 (kitfoxjunky)
9. 07:37 AM - Re: kitfox III 0-235 (patrick reilly)
10. 07:53 AM - Re: kitfox III 0-235 (patrick reilly)
11. 07:57 AM - Re: kitfox III 0-235 (patrick reilly)
12. 08:34 AM - Thermostat for 582 (Noel Rodriguez)
13. 08:37 AM - Re: Engine choices - was kitfox III 0-235 (Marco Menezes)
14. 04:45 PM - Season's Greetings (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Super STOL You tube video |
Hey Gang,
I just put up a short video of a friends Super lightweight Rotax 2 stroke
powered Avid Flyer on floats doing a takeoff competition. Shows just what a
light airplane can do. I dubbed it from another friends ancient and crude
VHS video, but I thought you guys might enjoy it just the same. Here's the
link...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qjDSatUSoCY
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Re: GREAT STUFF Any Winter Flying Tips |
On Dec 23, 2007, at 2:16 AM, kitfoxmike wrote:
> sorry but me and my kitfox get scared at that altitude.
... me too! That's why I was asking the other pilots! :-)
Mike answers that at 14,000 ft his controls feel sluggish. Maybe he was
suffering from hypoxia? :-)
Seriously, I don't know. I understand Bob's arguments about
coefficients of lift and drag but ... as we talked about fluttering and
Vne at altitude ... maybe there is something there?
Incidentally, the X-Plane flight simulator gives not two but three
coefficients for all airfoils: Lift, drag and moment. The latter is the
force that 'twists' an airfoil. Symmetrical airfoils have no moment,
asymmetrical have a negative moment for positive AoA and vice-versa.
E.g. a 'negative moment' for a wing means a pitch down effect.
Are we getting any closer? I don't know but my wife says it's time for
me to get dressed up as we'll be spending Christmas eve at our son's
house together with our grand-daughter.
Have a very nice Christmas, everyone!
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Super STOL You tube video |
Wow !
What is his empty weight?
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox III 0-235 |
How about an 80 HP AeroVee? The Sonex uses that engine and it seems to be
well proven for aircraft. The cost new is only $ 6500. Not sure the
installed weight vs a 912 but the engine itself with electric starter and
alternator (less the exhaust and oil) is only 158 LBS. The spec on the
912 is 125 LBS. From the Lycoming internet site I get the 0-235 weight at
243 IBS. That in my opinion is simply too much weight up front for a
Kitfox. The plane will not handle as it was intended. You see the odd
0-200 Powered Kitfox (that engine is about 200 LBS), but I think the
weight is the factor with the 235 series.
Anyone ever hear of an AeroVee in a Kitox?
http://www.aeroconversions.com/
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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"Pat Reilly" <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
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12/23/2007 05:50 PM
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Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox III 0-235
Does anybody have experience on installing a Lycoming 0-235 in a KF mod
III? I know of one in a IV mod on floats. I have a Mod III set up for a
912. I don't have a 912 engine and was planning on putting in a 582, but
would rather have a 4 stroke without a gear reduction.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? |
Bunk. Should have been "bunch" of seaplane guys. No matter how many
times I visually spell check these posts I always seem to mess something
up. Sigh.
So far we have one Kitfox on anphibs, a very old cub on straight floats,
Stinson 108 on straight floats, Murphy Rebel on anphibs. Will probably
have some additions and substractions by the time Oshkosh rolls around.
Thanks for the Christmas Photo Paul. That left front nose wheel looks
familiar. :-)
"Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox an Avid copy?
Hey Gary, that was me back when I was in my 20's.....geez, how time flies!
Oshkosh next year for a bunch of you? COOOOOL! Would love to see you
guys show up at the seaplane base! And yes, I'd be happy to buy a beer.
The more the merrier you know. Check out our website at
www.oshkoshseaplanebase.com for more info and pics if you haven't already.
Oh yeah, here's a Christmas card for all my Kitfox pals here on the net.
(and now Gary can see how I've aged if he compares it against the photo in
the earlier post) Smile :-)
Merry Christmas everyone!
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
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From: kitfoxjunky
Very cool Paul. Who is the young guy in the photo? :-)
Bunk of seaplane guys around here are talking about going to Oshkosh this
year. Never been there in my Kitfox. Maybe I will tag along. Will buy you
a beer if I make it.
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
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| Subject: | Re: elevator trim |
Larry,
You are absolutely right! A few degrees of down flap would make the nose go
down. I was going by what the former owner told me that he was doing. At
least by having min drag by not using the flaps and using the bungee trim instead,
I have gained a few mph in cruise.(also my flap lever lies straight on the
floor and is hard to get to for my short arms) Oh well, thanks for pointing that
out.
You guys have a Merry Christmas! I am down in the Pensacola, Fl. area and
all this talk about skis and snow reminds me of when I used to live in
Colorado. This place sucks in the summer but is nice this time of year. I can
fly
pretty much every day.
Dick Maddux
Kitfox 4-1200
Rotax 912UL
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox III 0-235 |
Does that include coolant and radiator? The Jab 2200 is spec'd at
132...you provide your own "coolant" : ) Seriously, I've never
weighed my engine, but it's hard to see how the 912 could be any
lighter, ready to fly.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/450+ hrs
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On Dec 24, 2007, at 7:34 AM, kitfoxjunky wrote:
> The spec on the 912 is 125 LBS.
>
> Gary Walsh
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox III 0-235 |
No coolant or radiator. That 125 lbs for the 912 was right from the spec
sheet. Add the exhaust and oil and it is going to be at least as heavy as
the Jab if not more.
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: kitfox III 0-235
Does that include coolant and radiator? The Jab 2200 is spec'd at
132...you provide your own "coolant" : ) Seriously, I've never
weighed my engine, but it's hard to see how the 912 could be any
lighter, ready to fly.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/450+ hrs
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On Dec 24, 2007, at 7:34 AM, kitfoxjunky wrote:
> The spec on the 912 is 125 LBS.
>
> Gary Walsh
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| Subject: | kitfox III 0-235 |
Gary, Thanks for the reply. The 0-235 is just too heavy for the mod III kit
fox from what I gather. I have a good 100 hr 582 Rotax firewall forward, so
that will be the engine I use. It's the size engine the plane was original
ly designed for.
From: kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Re:
Kitfox-List: kitfox III 0-235Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:34:18 -0500How abou
t an 80 HP AeroVee? The Sonex uses that engine and it seems to be well pro
ven for aircraft. The cost new is only $ 6500. Not sure the installed wei
ght vs a 912 but the engine itself with electric starter and alternator (le
ss the exhaust and oil) is only 158 LBS. The spec on the 912 is 125 LBS.
From the Lycoming internet site I get the 0-235 weight at 243 IBS. That i
n my opinion is simply too much weight up front for a Kitfox. The plane wi
ll not handle as it was intended. You see the odd 0-200 Powered Kitfox (th
at engine is about 200 LBS), but I think the weight is the factor with the
235 series. Anyone ever hear of an AeroVee in a Kitox? http://www.aeroconve
rsions.com/ Gary WalshKF IV Anphib 912SC-GOOTwww.decisionlabs.com/kitfoxdo
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tronics.com
12/23/2007 05:50 PM Please respond to kitfox-list
To: <Kitfox-List@matronics.com> cc:
Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox III 0-235Does anybody have expe
rience on installing a Lycoming 0-235 in a KF mod III? I know of one in a I
V mod on floats. I have a Mod III set up for a 912. I don't have a 912 engi
ne and was planning on putting in a 582, but would rather have a 4 stroke w
ithout a gear reduction.
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| Subject: | kitfox III 0-235 |
Lynn, Thanks, From the advice I've gotten, the 0-235 is too heavy for the k
itfox III. I'm going with the 582 I have and probably sell the 912 mount th
at came with the plane. Pat Reilly> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re:
Kitfox-List: kitfox III 0-235> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:35:28 -0500> To: k
n <lynnmatt@jps.net>> > I'll second that suggestion....only one carb to mes
s with, no coolant > problems, no gearbox whine...I've got 450 hours on min
e with only > minor "growing pains."> > Lynn Matteson> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> flying w/450+ hrs> do not archive> > >
On Dec 23, 2007, at 6:15 PM, Dee Young wrote:> > > You might consider the
Jab. 2200. Good engine, four stroke, air > > cooled and 2000 hrs TBO. 0-235
probably a wee bit heavy.> >> > Dee Young> > Model II> >> > Do Not Archive
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st: kitfox III 0-235> >> > Does anybody have experience on installing a Lyc
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| Subject: | kitfox III 0-235 |
Dee, Thanks for info. everybody says 0-235 too heavy. I'd love the Jab 2200
but I hav e agood 582. For now I guess I'll get her flying with the 2 stro
ke. Pat REilly
From: henrysfork1@msn.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kitfox-L
ist: kitfox III 0-235Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:15:14 -0700
You might consider the Jab. 2200. Good engine, four stroke, air cooled and
2000 hrs TBO. 0-235 probably a wee bit heavy.
Dee Young
Model II
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----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Reilly
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 3:50 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox III 0-235
Does anybody have experience on installing a Lycoming 0-235 in a KF mod III
? I know of one in a IV mod on floats. I have a Mod III set up for a 912. I
don't have a 912 engine and was planning on putting in a 582, but would ra
ther have a 4 stroke without a gear reduction.
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| Subject: | Thermostat for 582 |
I'm using a thermostast from a Volvo marine engine, Volvo Penta # 3853799. It
is rated to 160 deg F.
Best Regards!
Noel Rodriguez
Kitfox II/582
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| Subject: | Engine choices - was kitfox III 0-235 |
Has anyone done a comparative analysis of power, weight and cost (both up-front
and operational) for those engines we commonly install in our Kitfoxes? This
would not only help builders decide initially but also those of us facing the
expensive prospect of overhauling 582's as they approach their very short TBO's.
Michel, you're an analytical sort and I know you went through this a few years
back, deciding on the Jab 2200. Can you tell us how you reached your decision?
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to the entire Kitfox community.
patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com> wrote:
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too heavy. I'd love the Jab 2200 but I hav e agood 582. For now I guess I'll get
her flying with the 2 stroke. Pat REilly
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From: henrysfork1@msn.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: kitfox III 0-235
You might consider the Jab. 2200. Good engine, four stroke, air cooled
and 2000 hrs TBO. 0-235 probably a wee bit heavy.
Dee Young
Model II
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From: Pat Reilly
To: Kitfox-List@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 3:50 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox III 0-235
Does anybody have experience on installing a Lycoming 0-235 in a KF mod III?
I know of one in a IV mod on floats. I have a Mod III set up for a 912. I don't
have a 912 engine and was planning on putting in a 582, but would rather have
a 4 stroke without a gear reduction.
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Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Season's Greetings |
Merry Christmas everyone!
Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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