---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/27/07: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:41 AM - Re: Tubes for Kingfox tires (David Steade) 2. 02:07 AM - Re: Tubes for Kingfox tires (Kevin Ridsdale) 3. 05:00 AM - First Flight (dwparker) 4. 05:03 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 12/26/07 (Catz631@aol.com) 5. 05:14 AM - Re: First Flight (RRTRACK@aol.com) 6. 05:19 AM - Re: First Flight (dwparker) 7. 05:42 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 12/26/07 (Michel Verheughe) 8. 06:13 AM - Re: First Flight (W Duke) 9. 09:04 AM - Re: First Flight (Lynn Matteson) 10. 09:12 AM - TruTrak ADI A/H (fox5flyer) 11. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen (Michel Verheughe) 12. 10:20 AM - Re: First Flight (jdmcbean) 13. 10:37 AM - Re: First Flight (KCozik) 14. 11:31 AM - Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? (kfleisch) 15. 11:39 AM - Lapel (hat) Pin Re: First Flight (jdmcbean) 16. 02:55 PM - changing bungees (Catz631@aol.com) 17. 03:32 PM - Re: changing bungees (Frank Miles) 18. 03:38 PM - Re: changing bungees (Mike Gibbard) 19. 04:27 PM - Re: changing bungees (Mnflyer) 20. 04:36 PM - Re: changing bungees (Steve Shinabery) 21. 05:41 PM - Re: changing bungees (kirk hull) 22. 05:43 PM - Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen (FlyboyTR) 23. 05:47 PM - Re: Lapel (hat) Pin Re: First Flight (kirk hull) 24. 05:49 PM - Re: Lapel (hat) Pin Re: First Flight (kirk hull) 25. 06:27 PM - Re: changing bungees (Tom Jones) 26. 07:25 PM - bungees (Dee Young) 27. 08:02 PM - Re: changing bungees (Steve Shinabery) 28. 09:34 PM - Re: bungees (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 29. 10:03 PM - Re: bungees (clemwehner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:41:33 AM PST US From: "David Steade" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tubes for Kingfox tires Lyle One thing to check when you get your new tubes is what is causing the problem. Most people in the UK run their tyres tube less but I and a friend ran with tubes. Despite positively checking that the tyres never moved on the rim tubes still seemed to occasionally fail. What seems to happen is that at the low pressures of 8 psi or so, over a long period of time the tubes worked themselves round inside the tyre. Hard to believe but true. The remedy was simple about 4 times a year I took the valve from the tyre and with it completely deflated gave the tyre a massage. Sometimes as the tube deflated I could here the tube reposition. Regards David ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:24 AM PST US From: Kevin Ridsdale Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tubes for Kingfox tires Lyle Purchase your tubes for the King Fox tires from Tires Express www.tireexpress.com your part number is 157-1449 the cost is $10.35 ea. plus shipping. ($32.70 TOTAL) This is what we reccomend if a customer really wants to use a tube with the King Fox tire. Regards, Kevin R. Mippi Ultralights --- RAY Gignac wrote: > > You can get tubes at your local lawn and tractor > shop!> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> From: > lpers@mchsi.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Tubes for > Kingfox tires> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:00:26 > Persels > > I have a set of Kingfox > 22x12x8 smooth tires on my Model > IV-1200/912uls. > Grest tires!. Yesterday I had a valve stem twist off > > when a tire rotated on the rim on landing. Can > anyone give me a > source for tubes for these tires? > The tubes are marked 22X11-8.> > What tire pressure > are others using in this tire?> > Lyle Persels> > Mod========================> _==============> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows > Live. > http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:11 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: First Flight From: "dwparker" Well yesterday was the day. After 5 years (812 hours of build time) N474DP flew for the first time. Everything went great. I want to thank everyone on this list for all the great advise I was able to glean from reading your posts. Also the superlative help of John and Debra McBean, Norm Williams, and many others made it possible for me to successfully build my first airplane. Dana Parker Series 7, 912S, GSC TECH 3 prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154492#154492 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n474dp_281.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:36 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 12/26/07 In a message dated 12/27/2007 2:01:56 AM Central Standard Time, kitfox-list@matronics.com writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itqyBYxU0lU Deke, How is that TruTrack ADI working out ? I am thinking about buying that unit along with a 2 inch airspeed and replacing my3 1/4airspeed and 2 inch ball.(I have limited space on my panel.) It looks like you would get the "most bang for the buck" with this unit.Spruce lists a Tru Trak ADI with or without the GPS(about $15 diff).I have a Garmin 396 How does the Tru Trak tie in with the GPS to give you heading ? Thanks, Dick Maddux Fox4-1200 Rotax 912UL **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:12 AM PST US From: RRTRACK@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First Flight Congratulations! We'd love to pictures and performance info as you go through the test phase. Sounds like a great plane. Mark Kitfox 5 Vixen 912UL IVO Hartford, Wisconsin " do not archive" **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:33 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: First Flight From: "dwparker" Sorry guys - I should proof read better. It was Merle Williams who helped me with the Kitfox (Norm Williams is who I bought my C170 from). Too many names - not enough brain cells. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154496#154496 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:07 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 12/26/07 > From: Catz631@aol.com > I am thinking about buying that unit > along with a 2 inch airspeed and replacing my3 1/4airspeed and 2 inch ball.(I > have limited space on my panel.) Dick, I replaced my standard Kitfox ball with the TruTrak "Pictoral Turn & Bank" and it fits the 2 1/4 " hole perfectly. http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/instruments_pictorial_turn_and_bank.htm You just need to provide 12V and earth to the unit, ... et voila! Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:08 AM PST US From: W Duke Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First Flight Congratulations on the flight. Enjoy. dwparker wrote: Well yesterday was the day. After 5 years (812 hours of build time) N474DP flew for the first time. Everything went great. I want to thank everyone on this list for all the great advise I was able to glean from reading your posts. Also the superlative help of John and Debra McBean, Norm Williams, and many others made it possible for me to successfully build my first airplane. Dana Parker Series 7, 912S, GSC TECH 3 prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154492#154492 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n474dp_281.jpg Maxwell Duke S6/TD/IO240 Dublin, GA --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:11 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First Flight Good going, Dana...I know it was a great feeling...keep 'em flying! Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/450+ hrs do not archive On Dec 27, 2007, at 7:59 AM, dwparker wrote: > > > Well yesterday was the day. After 5 years (812 hours of build time) > N474DP flew for the first time. Everything went great. > > I want to thank everyone on this list for all the great advise I > was able to glean from reading your posts. Also the superlative > help of John and Debra McBean, Norm Williams, and many others made > it possible for me to successfully build my first airplane. > > Dana Parker > Series 7, 912S, GSC TECH 3 prop > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154492#154492 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/n474dp_281.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:51 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: TruTrak ADI A/H Hi Dick. It works great. I'd been looking for an RC Allen electric AH, but they're very expensive for an electric unit and their track record has a pretty bad reputation for reliability. There's also the Chinese knockoff (Falcon?) that is a couple hundred cheaper, but from what I could glean, it's reliability record is even worse. TruTrak has no gyro so moving parts are almost zero in it. You can buy the T/B or A/H. The A/H isn't a heck of a lot more and you get a better bang for your buck. I think the warranty was 5 years IIRC. It fits a standard 3.125 panel cutout. I can't remember how the interface wiring went that provides ground track, but it comes with the instructions. My advice would be to buy the optional GPS receiver and avoid all the interfacing and extra wiring. It's very small and sits on top of your glare shield. The receiver simply plugs into the back of the ADI. That way, if you upgrade your Garmin, there would be no effect on the interfacing. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 365+ TT "Nothing will ever be attempted, if all possible objections must first be overcome".- Samuel Johnson InDeke, How is that TruTrack ADI working out ? I am thinking about buying that unit along with a 2 inch airspeed and replacing my3 1/4airspeed and 2 inch ball.(I have limited space on my panel.) It looks like you would get the "most bang for the buck" with this unit.Spruce lists a Tru Trak ADI with or without the GPS(about $15 diff).I have a Garmin 396 How does the Tru Trak tie in with the GPS to give you heading ? Thanks, Dick Maddux Fox4-1200 Rotax 912UL ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:29 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen On Dec 27, 2007, at 12:43 AM, FlyboyTR wrote: > Michael...Have you considered installing a main switch for your > electronics? ... ahem! Yes, I should. But since I've become a grand-father, I don't have so much time and whenever I am at the airfield ... I feel more like flying! :-) Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:06 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: First Flight Congrats !!! Have fun and be safe !!! Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dwparker Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 5:59 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: First Flight Well yesterday was the day. After 5 years (812 hours of build time) N474DP flew for the first time. Everything went great. I want to thank everyone on this list for all the great advise I was able to glean from reading your posts. Also the superlative help of John and Debra McBean, Norm Williams, and many others made it possible for me to successfully build my first airplane. Dana Parker Series 7, 912S, GSC TECH 3 prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154492#154492 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n474dp_281.jpg 1:34 PM 1:34 PM ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:16 AM PST US From: KCozik Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: First Flight Congratulations!! Looking forward to hearing about your early flights! Kevin Cozik Series 6-7 914 turbo Czech amphibs Lansing Michigan Do not archive On Thu Dec 27 13:19 , 'jdmcbean' jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com> sent: > >Congrats !!! Have fun and be safe !!! > >Fly Safe !! >John & Debra McBean >208.337.5111 >www.kitfoxaircraft.com >"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >[owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com','','','')">owner-kitfox-list- server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dwparker >Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 5:59 AM >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: First Flight > > >Well yesterday was the day. After 5 years (812 hours of build time) N474DP >flew for the first time. Everything went great. > >I want to thank everyone on this list for all the great advise I was able to >glean from reading your posts. Also the superlative help of John and Debra >McBean, Norm Williams, and many others made it possible for me to >successfully build my first airplane. > >Dana Parker >Series 7, 912S, GSC TECH 3 prop > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php\?p=154492#154492 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/n474dp_281.jpg > > >1:34 PM > >1:34 PM > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:32 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox an Avid copy? From: "kfleisch" Reading the letter from Paul Seehafer, I'd like to add that I'm the one who wrote the UPI story about the Avid Flyer in 1983, and the hostility Dan showed toward Dean was evident even at that time. When the story was sent out on the wires and ran worldwide, Dan was angry that all of the quotes in the story were from Dean. I asked him how I could have quoted him when he wouldn't even talk with me. He did call me when he introduced the Kitfox, but I was no longer at the wire service at that time, so that story had much less coverage. -------- Kitty Fleischman idahomagazine.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154561#154561 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:06 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: Lapel (hat) Pin RE: Kitfox-List: First Flight OK... This seems like a good time to release the First Flight Lapel (Hat) Pin.... Here's the deal.. We have made a set KITFOX FIRST FLIGHT WINGS.. It is only available for those that are the builder/owner of the aircraft at the time of the First Flight. It is truly a moment to be proud of ! What we are asking for is to fill out information that we can submit to EAA, Kitplanes and put up on our web. It also gives us a chance to identify those that do not mind being referrals for us. Hopefully we'll have the info up on the web shortly... but in the mean time here is the PDF. Did your first flight 5 years ago.. send in the info.. This is not just for the future first flights... Thanks for being part of the Kitfox Family !!! Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" 1:34 PM ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:28 PM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: changing bungees I have a Kitfox 4-1200 and need to change the landing gear bungees. I have done this before on my Piper Pacer and it was quite a job so before I experiment on my new Kitfox ,I thought perhaps some of the members of this forum might have a good way to do it.I have thought of lifting the aircraft by the engine mounts or pulling the gear together with a "come a long" and building a wooden cradle to hold the gear together (using 2 x 4's running along th outside of each wheel and connecting at the front and back of the gear-a rectangle shape which is the way I replaced the Hydrosorbs on the Pacer) Any ideas ? Thanks Dick Maddux (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:54 PM PST US From: "Frank Miles" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: changing bungees Dick, Have you ever considered replacing hat gear with Grove landing gear? Frank Miles _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catz631@aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: changing bungees I have a Kitfox 4-1200 and need to change the landing gear bungees. I have done this before on my Piper Pacer and it was quite a job so before I experiment on my new Kitfox ,I thought perhaps some of the members of this forum might have a good way to do it.I have thought of lifting the aircraft by the engine mounts or pulling the gear together with a "come a long" and building a wooden cradle to hold the gear together (using 2 x 4's running along th outside of each wheel and connecting at the front and back of the gear-a rectangle shape which is the way I replaced the Hydrosorbs on the Pacer) Any ideas ? Thanks Dick Maddux _____ top rated recipes and HYPERLINK "http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aoltop00030000000003" \neasy ways to stay in shape for winter. 1:34 PM ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:03 PM PST US From: "Mike Gibbard" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: changing bungees Have 1 person under the plane and 1 on top. Make 1 wrap at a time and have the person on the bottom hold and pull bungees tight as possible and the person on top use plastic tie wraps to hold the bungees tension. Continue untill the bungee is complete with the proper # of wraps and then cut the plastic ties and you are finished. Plastic ties will allow you to not lose your tension on each wrap. You should have 4 or 5 ties to cut when complete. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Catz631@aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 5:54 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: changing bungees I have a Kitfox 4-1200 and need to change the landing gear bungees. I have done this before on my Piper Pacer and it was quite a job so before I experiment on my new Kitfox ,I thought perhaps some of the members of this forum might have a good way to do it.I have thought of lifting the aircraft by the engine mounts or pulling the gear together with a "come a long" and building a wooden cradle to hold the gear together (using 2 x 4's running along th outside of each wheel and connecting at the front and back of the gear-a rectangle shape which is the way I replaced the Hydrosorbs on the Pacer) Any ideas ? Thanks Dick Maddux ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:55 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: changing bungees From: "Mnflyer" Mike has it down pat, its a two person job and I find it easiest to hoist the plane via the engine mt just enough to let the gear come together, the 2x4 cradle would be tough as one person has to be under the plane and the cradle would be very uncomfortable. I tried a come along but again it was in the way. Its not the easiest job. While some like the Grove gear I prefer the bungee gear its lighter has more ht/prop clearance and lots less money, just MHO. -------- GB MNFlyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154615#154615 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:10 PM PST US From: Steve Shinabery Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: changing bungees Dick.I have a KF2,this summer I changed my bungees.was not easy.there were two of us.one on top and 1 on bottom.alot of cussing and pinched fingers but got it done.I used a tool that I made.it had a handle,and a small hook at one end.I used this to help pull and to help streach the bungiees,by pulling them down.to help streach them in to place.it made it lot easy to do.we had them changed in app.1hr. Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 582 Catz631@aol.com wrote: > I have a Kitfox 4-1200 and need to change the landing gear bungees. I > have done this before on my Piper Pacer and it was quite a job so > before I experiment on my new Kitfox ,I thought perhaps some of the > members of this forum might have a good way to do it.I have thought of > lifting the aircraft by the engine mounts or pulling the gear together > with a "come a long" and building a wooden cradle to hold the gear > together (using 2 x 4's running along th outside of each wheel and > connecting at the front and back of the gear-a rectangle shape which > is the way I replaced the Hydrosorbs on the Pacer) Any ideas ? > Thanks > Dick Maddux > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape > > for winter. > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:45 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: changing bungees When I changed the bungee on my classic 4 I took the turtle deck off and after putting as many loops in it as I could by hand, hooked a ratcheting tie down to the end of the bungee and the other end to the hanger truss. Then I had 1 person on top ratchet the strap in as I worked it from the bottom with a hook. That way the strap kept the tension on the bungee while I slowly tightened up the rest of the loops 1 at a time when I had enough hanging out I clamped it and made the last loop then hooked the strap back up and continued working it until I was able to hook it on the post. Took about an hour and a half for both. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Shinabery Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 6:37 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: changing bungees Dick.I have a KF2,this summer I changed my bungees.was not easy.there were two of us.one on top and 1 on bottom.alot of cussing and pinched fingers but got it done.I used a tool that I made.it had a handle,and a small hook at one end.I used this to help pull and to help streach the bungiees,by pulling them down.to help streach them in to place.it made it lot easy to do.we had them changed in app.1hr. Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 582 Catz631@aol.com wrote: > I have a Kitfox 4-1200 and need to change the landing gear bungees. I > have done this before on my Piper Pacer and it was quite a job so > before I experiment on my new Kitfox ,I thought perhaps some of the > members of this forum might have a good way to do it.I have thought of > lifting the aircraft by the engine mounts or pulling the gear together > with a "come a long" and building a wooden cradle to hold the gear > together (using 2 x 4's running along th outside of each wheel and > connecting at the front and back of the gear-a rectangle shape which > is the way I replaced the Hydrosorbs on the Pacer) Any ideas ? > Thanks > Dick Maddux > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape > > for winter. > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:15 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen From: "FlyboyTR" Point taken! ..understand! :) Travis :) -------- Travis Rayner Mobile, AL Skystar Vixen N-789DF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154622#154622 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:44 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Lapel (hat) Pin RE: Kitfox-List: First Flight Would it be possible to purchase a second pin as 205AK is a partnership -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:36 PM Subject: Lapel (hat) Pin RE: Kitfox-List: First Flight OK... This seems like a good time to release the First Flight Lapel (Hat) Pin.... Here's the deal.. We have made a set KITFOX FIRST FLIGHT WINGS.. It is only available for those that are the builder/owner of the aircraft at the time of the First Flight. It is truly a moment to be proud of ! What we are asking for is to fill out information that we can submit to EAA, Kitplanes and put up on our web. It also gives us a chance to identify those that do not mind being referrals for us. Hopefully we'll have the info up on the web shortly... but in the mean time here is the PDF. Did your first flight 5 years ago.. send in the info.. This is not just for the future first flights... Thanks for being part of the Kitfox Family !!! Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" 1:34 PM ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:08 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Lapel (hat) Pin RE: Kitfox-List: First Flight Would it be possible to purchase a second set as N205AK is a partnership between my father and me. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:36 PM Subject: Lapel (hat) Pin RE: Kitfox-List: First Flight OK... This seems like a good time to release the First Flight Lapel (Hat) Pin.... Here's the deal.. We have made a set KITFOX FIRST FLIGHT WINGS.. It is only available for those that are the builder/owner of the aircraft at the time of the First Flight. It is truly a moment to be proud of ! What we are asking for is to fill out information that we can submit to EAA, Kitplanes and put up on our web. It also gives us a chance to identify those that do not mind being referrals for us. Hopefully we'll have the info up on the web shortly... but in the mean time here is the PDF. Did your first flight 5 years ago.. send in the info.. This is not just for the future first flights... Thanks for being part of the Kitfox Family !!! Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" 1:34 PM ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:03 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: changing bungees From: "Tom Jones" Dick, this is one of those jobs that is easy if you know how to do it. The only way to learn how to do it is to try the suggestions offered here and see what works for you. There are quite a few ways but the key is to not lose the tension you gain on each wrap while you make the next one. The best method for me is to pad the jaws of a large pair of water pump pliers with tape, support the wheels off the floor by placing a saw horse under the front of the fuselage, pulling each wrap tight as I can and holding it with the pliers while I make the next wrap. First installation took me two days and all my best swear words. Second replacement took about 15 minutes...I knew how that time. My wife couldn't believe I could do it by myself! I'm an old skinny guy. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV, Phase one 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154633#154633 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:21 PM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Kitfox-List: bungees Tom is correct, It can be done pretty easy following the his suggestions. I have changed the bungees 3 times on my Model II and each time I did it alone. Make sure the gear legs are tight against the bottom of the fuselage and getter done. Its that simple. Dee Young Model II N345DY Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Jones To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:26 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: changing bungees > Dick, this is one of those jobs that is easy if you know how to do it. The only way to learn how to do it is to try the suggestions offered here and see what works for you. There are quite a few ways but the key is to not lose the tension you gain on each wrap while you make the next one. The best method for me is to pad the jaws of a large pair of water pump pliers with tape, support the wheels off the floor by placing a saw horse under the front of the fuselage, pulling each wrap tight as I can and holding it with the pliers while I make the next wrap. First installation took me two days and all my best swear words. Second replacement took about 15 minutes...I knew how that time. My wife couldn't believe I could do it by myself! I'm an old skinny guy. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV, Phase one 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154633#154633 http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:49 PM PST US From: Steve Shinabery Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: changing bungees Dick,the tool that I made ,with the hook..I too used it to pull each loop down to streach and to make it longer to do the next loop.and to adjust the bungees evenly after the bungees were in place.I did tie the tail down.and raised each landing gear one side at a time.may B it would B better to raise plane on to saw horses.any way this worked 4 me..Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 582 kirk hull wrote: > > When I changed the bungee on my classic 4 I took the turtle deck off and > after putting as many loops in it as I could by hand, hooked a ratcheting > tie down to the end of the bungee and the other end to the hanger truss. > Then I had 1 person on top ratchet the strap in as I worked it from the > bottom with a hook. That way the strap kept the tension on the bungee while > I slowly tightened up the rest of the loops 1 at a time when I had enough > hanging out I clamped it and made the last loop then hooked the strap back > up and continued working it until I was able to hook it on the post. Took > about an hour and a half for both. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Shinabery > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 6:37 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: changing bungees > > > Dick.I have a KF2,this summer I changed my bungees.was not easy.there > were two of us.one on top and 1 on bottom.alot of cussing and pinched > fingers but got it done.I used a tool that I made.it had a handle,and a > small hook at one end.I used this to help pull and to help streach the > bungiees,by pulling them down.to help streach them in to place.it made > it lot easy to do.we had them changed in app.1hr. Steve Shinabery > N554KF KF2 582 > > Catz631@aol.com wrote: > >> I have a Kitfox 4-1200 and need to change the landing gear bungees. I >> have done this before on my Piper Pacer and it was quite a job so >> before I experiment on my new Kitfox ,I thought perhaps some of the >> members of this forum might have a good way to do it.I have thought of >> lifting the aircraft by the engine mounts or pulling the gear together >> with a "come a long" and building a wooden cradle to hold the gear >> together (using 2 x 4's running along th outside of each wheel and >> connecting at the front and back of the gear-a rectangle shape which >> is the way I replaced the Hydrosorbs on the Pacer) Any ideas ? >> Thanks >> Dick Maddux >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape >> >> for winter. >> * >> >> >> * >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:10 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: bungees I've put new bungees on my Avids and I didn't try to do it alone. My hat i s off to anyone that can do it by themself. Steve winder from Avid/Airdale recomended deviding up the total length of the bungee by the number of wra ps you need and makeing marks with a magic marker on the bungee where each wrap would be if the tension was the same on all wraps. I'll try to say th at a different way. Just suppose the bungee was 90" long and you need 6 wr aps. Devide 90" by 6 and you get 15". Make a mark every 15" on the bungee . Hook the bungee, wrap it around and pull it untill the mark is on the top of the carrythrough. Hold it and wrap it again and again bring it up t o the mark. Continue on till all 6 wraps are on and hook the other end on the other hook. All of the marks you made should now be on top. Now you h ave equal tension on all the wraps. I used a ratchet strap to hold the gea r togeather when I took off the old bungee, if you are the guy on the grou nd, you can lay your head or neck on the strap with no problem. Hopefully I said this clear enough. Jim Chuk Avid MK IV From: henrysfork1@msn.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List: bungeesDate: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:22:32 -0700 Tom is correct, It can be done pretty easy following the his suggestions. I have changed the bungees 3 times on my Model II and each time I did it alo ne. Make sure the gear legs are tight against the bottom of the fuselage an d getter done. Its that simple. Dee Young Model II N345DY Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Jones Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:26 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: changing bungees his is one of those jobs that is easy if you know how to do it. The only w ay to learn how to do it is to try the suggestions offered here and see wha t works for you. There are quite a few ways but the key is to not lose the tension you gain on each wrap while you make the next one.The best method for me is to pad the jaws of a large pair of water pump pliers with tape, s upport the wheels off the floor by placing a saw horse under the front of t he fuselage, pulling each wrap tight as I can and holding it with the plier s while I make the next wrap. First installation took me two days and all m y best swear words. Second replacement took about 15 minutes...I knew how that time. My wife couldn't believe I could do it by myself! I'm an old s kinny guy.--------Tom JonesClassic IV, Phase one503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blad e WarpEllensburg, WARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com /viewtopic.php?p=154633#154633http://www.matronics .com/c Thank you for your generous ; -Matt Dralle, Lis t nbsp; Features Chat, --> http://www.matron======== ===============bsp; via the Web title=htt p://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forum =============== _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:43 PM PST US From: "clemwehner" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: bungees I remember some guys securing each wrap with a zip tie while getting the next loop pulled through. Clem Lawton, OK On 12/27/2007 11:33:13 PM, Jim_and_Lucy Chuk (thesupe@hotmail.com) wrote: > I've put new bungees on my Avids and I didn't try to do it alone. My hat > is off to anyone that can do it by themself. Steve winder from Avid/Airdale > recomended deviding up the total length of the bungee by the number of > wraps you need and makeing marks with a magic marker on the bungee where > each wrap would be if the tension was the same on all wraps. > I'll try to say that a different way. Just suppose the bungee was 90" long and you need 6 wraps. Devide 90" by 6 and you get 15". Make a mark every 15" on the bungee. Hook the bungee, wrap it around and pull it untill the mark is on the top of the carrythrough. Hold it and wrap it again and again bring it up to the mark. Continue on till all 6 wraps are on and hook the other end on the other hook. All of the marks you made should now be on top. Now you have equal tension on all the wraps. I used a ratchet strap to hold the gear togeather when I took off the old bungee, if you are the guy on the ground, you can lay your head or neck on the strap with no problem. Hopefully I said this clear enough. 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