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2. 04:51 AM - Re: First flight (Catz631@AOL.COM)
3. 05:03 AM - Re: Grove landing gear (Catz631@AOL.COM)
4. 05:25 AM - Re: bungee replacement (Catz631@aol.com)
5. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: bungee replacement (kirk hull)
6. 06:49 AM - Re: bungee replacement (Tom Jones)
7. 07:31 AM - Re: Re: Grove landing gear (Frank Miles)
8. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: bungee replacement (Marco Menezes)
9. 08:54 AM - Re: Tubes for Kingfox tires (Perkins, Mike)
10. 09:05 AM - Re: Grove landing gear (dave)
11. 09:57 AM - Re: Lapel (hat) Pin Re: First Flight (mic thiessen)
12. 10:18 AM - Re: Grove landing gear (kitfoxmike)
13. 10:27 AM - Re: Grove landing gear (dave)
14. 11:59 AM - Re: Grove landing gear (kitfoxmike)
15. 01:29 PM - Re: Grove landing gear (dave)
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In a message dated 12/28/2007 2:01:31 AM Central Standard Time,
kitfox-list@matronics.com writes:
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Deke,
Thanks for the input. You have made up my mind. I will buy one once I
scrape up the cash. All I have is a ball and I feel "naked" without some other
type of attitude reference even though I will never fly it IFR (I guess that's
from all my years flying on instruments).
Thanks again!
Dick Maddux
Fox4-1200
912UL
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
In a message dated 12/28/2007 2:01:31 AM Central Standard Time,
kitfox-list@matronics.com writes:
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Dana,
Congrats on your accomplishment! I know it was a thrill!
Dick Maddux
Fox4-1200
912UL
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| Subject: | Re: Grove landing gear |
In a message dated 12/28/2007 2:01:31 AM Central Standard Time,
kitfox-list@matronics.com writes:
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Frank,
In regard to your question about replacing my bungee gear with the Grove,
I have thought about it.(although I like the narrow gear just fine) I have
only had my Kitfox 4 for less than a month (already have 10 hours on it) and I
am
trying to get as much info on the airplane and the engine as I can.( that's
why I am asking so many questions.) One of the questions I was going to ask
was, what is the process to replace the gear. How doesthe Grove gear attach?
Does anyone have any instructions on how to do it. It seems in the long run the
Grove gear would sure reduce the maintenance.
Dick Maddux
Fox4-1200
912UL
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| Subject: | Re: bungee replacement |
Thanks for all the ideas for the bungee replacement.Now I have a good way to
do it. One other question though.With new bungess did the gear droop at all or
was it right up against the stops. My gear is drooping about an inch to inch
and one half from the stops at center fuselage.It doesn't appear to be that
bad but I have ordered the bungees from John so I will have them on hand as it
appears it won't be too long before I have to replace them and I always like to
be prepared
Thanks again for all your replys !!!
Dick Maddux
Fox4-1200
912UL
Pensacola,Fl.
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| Subject: | Re: bungee replacement |
I think I got a set from john and was back in the air in a few days. I
believe these should be changed at least every two years. However I would
not order them until you are getting close. The set we got with the kit sat
inside for about 4 years but lasted less then a year in service. With that
said I think the aging starts weather they are stretched and in the elements
or not.
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Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 7:25 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: bungee replacement
Thanks for all the ideas for the bungee replacement.Now I have a good way to
do it. One other question though.With new bungess did the gear droop at all
or was it right up against the stops. My gear is drooping about an inch to
inch and one half from the stops at center fuselage.It doesn't appear to be
that bad but I have ordered the bungees from John so I will have them on
hand as it appears it won't be too long before I have to replace them and I
always like to be prepared
Thanks again for all your replys !!!
Dick Maddux
Fox4-1200
912UL
Pensacola,Fl.
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| Subject: | Re: bungee replacement |
Dick, with new bungees the gear should be tight against the bottom of the fuselage
with two people sitting in the plane.
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Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Grove landing gear |
Dick,
The Grove gear is easy to install. It comes with all of the instructions
and
Grove is very helpful on the phone should you have any questions. I
think
that I installed mine in a couple of hours ' well, maybe three or
four. It
installs on already existing attachment points. The total took me a
little
longer as I also replaced all of the wheels and brakes at the same time.
That also came from Grove. The Grove gear is about six inches wider
which is
a plus. Good luck with the bungee cord thing. I have been told that they
should be changed every year which may be some excessive but it sounds
like
you are way over due.
Frank
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Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:03 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Grove landing gear
In a message dated 12/28/2007 2:01:31 AM Central Standard Time,
kitfox-list@matronics.com writes:
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Frank,
In regard to your question about replacing my bungee gear with the
Grove,
I have thought about it.(although I like the narrow gear just fine) I
have
only had my Kitfox 4 for less than a month (already have 10 hours on it)
and
I am trying to get as much info on the airplane and the engine as I
can.(
that's why I am asking so many questions.) One of the questions I was
going to ask was, what is the process to replace the gear. How doesthe
Grove
gear attach? Does anyone have any instructions on how to do it. It seems
in
the long run the Grove gear would sure reduce the maintenance.
Dick Maddux
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912UL
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| Subject: | Re: bungee replacement |
Hi Dick.
Alot of great ideas to replace bungees. I've tried many of them, twice. Haven't
yet had the one-man "easy" experience though. It was more like the "2 guys
with badly busted knuckles quitting for dinner and coming back after cooling off"
experience.
The bungees should hold the gear tightly against the rubber pads. If it doesn't,
either they're too long or you haven't got enough turns yet (7 as I recall).
That last turn is a bugger. Enjoy!
Happy new year to all you Kitfoxers.
Catz631@aol.com wrote:
Thanks for all the ideas for the bungee replacement.Now I have a good way
to do it. One other question though.With new bungess did the gear droop at all
or was it right up against the stops. My gear is drooping about an inch to inch
and one half from the stops at center fuselage.It doesn't appear to be that
bad but I have ordered the bungees from John so I will have them on hand as
it appears it won't be too long before I have to replace them and I always like
to be prepared
Thanks again for all your replys !!!
Dick Maddux
Fox4-1200
912UL
Pensacola,Fl.
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| Subject: | Re: Tubes for Kingfox tires |
Might try some rubber glue on the inside of the tires.
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| Subject: | Re: Grove landing gear |
> The Grove gear is about six inches wider which is a plus. Good luck with the
bungee cord thing.
Grove gear looks good but VERY expensive and extra weight over the bungee. A personal
choice aesthetically , but No substitute to taildragger training.
> I have been told that they should be changed every year which may be some excessive
but it sounds like you are way over due.
>
Non-SENSE !! My current bungees have over 700 hours on Wheels and Skis . The plane
is switched to floats annually too. The last 2 years i have only wrapped
them 5 times rather than 6 times and Had no issues. I must add my disclaimer
that they are old and a few frayed spots and will likely break next time I fly.
I just flew on skis 30 mins ago and they are still holding up. I have a roll
of MIL SPEC bungee cord here and should really make a new set soon.
I have never flown a grove equipped aircraft and a similar one with bungees so
I cannot compare. I have flown quite a few Avids, Kitfoxes and clones taildraggers
and have never really found them difficult to fly.
If you want to see a tame Kitfox just look at my videos here http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer&p=r
some have over 10,000 views now and are getting real popular.
New Years getting close !! Have a good one and a safe one !!
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Ok...this is a fantastic idea....unfortunatly/fortunatly I came into the fa
mily by purchasing my Fox IV....How about making some pins without the firs
t flight on them? I would love to have one....I would even take one with t
he first flight on it as I too had a first flight in my fox and still love
it like it is the first time....so how about it...will you sell me a pin? T
hey look fantastic!!!!!!!!!
Mic ThiessenFox IV SpeedsterC-FOXXSubaru EA81Canada> From: jdmcbean@kitfoxa
ircraft.com> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: Lapel (hat) Pin RE: Ki
tfox-List: First Flight> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:36:25 -0700> > OK... Thi
s seems like a good time to release the First Flight Lapel (Hat)> Pin....>
> Here's the deal.. We have made a set KITFOX FIRST FLIGHT WINGS.. It is on
ly> available for those that are the builder/owner of the aircraft at the t
ime> of the First Flight. It is truly a moment to be proud of !> > What we
are asking for is to fill out information that we can submit to EAA,> Kitpl
anes and put up on our web. It also gives us a chance to identify> those th
at do not mind being referrals for us.> > Hopefully we'll have the info up
on the web shortly... but in the mean time> here is the PDF.> > Did your fi
rst flight 5 years ago.. send in the info.. This is not just for> the futur
e first flights...> > Thanks for being part of the Kitfox Family !!!> > > >
Fly Safe !!> John & Debra McBean> 208.337.5111> www.kitfoxaircraft.com> "I
t's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"> > > > 1:34 PM> >
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| Subject: | Re: Grove landing gear |
If you have the original tube gear, or first design. I would not hesitate nor think
of cost, after all it's your life. You either, change to a better tube
gear, wall thickness is thicker, or change to the grove. You won't think anything
is wrong with the 1st design gear until you land, usually you touch on the
left side first and that's the side that encounter the problems, the exhaust
hits right on the tube and weakens it. Where it breaks is at the weld where
the bunchies wind up.
Now visual coming in to land and hitting a hole, pop goes the landing gear and
the left wing drops, you level the plane and you still don't understand what just
happened, you start going off to the left, then you hit trees on the left
side as you power up to go around, the plane does a left as you pull off the runway,
then you hit a small tree on the right side of the horizontal and then
you smack into a tree straight on. Not fun. The Grove gear was a wise choice.
What makes the decision easier is the fact to upgrade to a better tube gear
was about the same price as the grove gear. Oh and the weight added for Grove
is about 25lbs.
If you think this is BS, there is a bulletin in the old skystar database for this
problem. It will speak for itself.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
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| Subject: | Re: Grove landing gear |
I did a google search and found this
http://kitfox.lazair.com/Service_Letters/sl48.htm
The purpose of this service letter is to give you information regarding the design
and proper handling of the welded tube landing gear. It has been our experience
that incorrect handling of the aircraft on the ground (especially during
landing) and poor maintenance have led to failures in a few of these gears in
the field.
Is this the letter you mention ?
> If you think this is BS, there is a bulletin in the old skystar database for
this problem. It will speak for itself.
And if you think BS still -- my movies show that the gear is pretty rugged.
>> If you want to see a tame Kitfox just look at my videos here http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer&p=r
some have over 10,000 views now and are getting real popular.
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Grove landing gear |
I don't want to start a shooting match here. You now have the notice on this,
so read it. I will add that the weld that broke on mine had broken the weld previously
to the final brake. There was a definite half brake of the weld, just
took the right hit to brake it the rest of the way.
My advice, anybody with this landing gear needs to strip all the paint off and
inspect very carefully the welds and then make sure the main bars are straight.
have a nice day and fly safe.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
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| Subject: | Re: Grove landing gear |
> My advice, anybody with this landing gear needs to strip all the paint off and
inspect very carefully the welds and then make sure the main bars are straight.
Mike , you are correct that all parts should be inspected on your walkaround. Your
wingstruts and entire fuselage is all 4130 and some of it will be more brittle
that other parts due to Mig welding and lack of normalizing. BUT for the
most part is decent. 4130 can bend just outside of the weld without normalizing
with Mig welding.
I have no idea if my gear has been updated or not but it is been flying for over
15 years now and I think the original tube gear.
For the record the wind here is 15 G knots and I had a new low time instructor
with only a few types that he has flown just drop in for a check out in a Kitfox
as he had never flown one before and has a Kitfox student ready to go that
he will be switching some training over into the students Kitfox. He had trouble
landing due to mechanical turbulence today so I pulled the power and said
engine !! LAND IT NOW . we were are 200 agl. We touched down in a frozen wheat
field about 40% snow and ice /60% frozen mud chucks and a bit of wheat grass
showing. The Skis rather and thudded along then I said full power lets get
outta here. We climbed up to 200 agl and headed back to my strip. We then
did a 80 degree crosswind landing to finish off the flight into my runway over
50' trees with a stiff wind 20 mph + at 80% from the left.
No problem and to say the least he was BLOWN away and Really impressed with the
handling of my Kitfox. I would bet he buys one soon. He wants to come back this
weekend for more flying now and he has 3 planes of his own already.
So TUBE GEAR -- No problem in my book. --disclaimer ==> YET :)
This is a report for London, Ont., Canada. The report was made 22 minutes ago,
at 21:00 UTC. The wind was blowing at a speed of 10.3 meters per second (23.0
miles per hour) from east (100). The temperature was 1 C (34 F), with a dew-point
at -3 C (27 F). The temperature felt like -6 C (22 F). [/b]
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