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1. 06:53 AM - Re: changing bungees (patrick reilly)
2. 07:16 AM - Re: Bungee replacement (Catz631@AOL.COM)
3. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: Bungee replacement (Clint Bazzill)
4. 02:24 PM - Kitfox Georgia Members (debrun26@juno.com)
5. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Bungee replacement (Guy Buchanan)
6. 05:09 PM - Re: Kitfox Georgia Members (wingnut)
7. 05:12 PM - Re: Kitfox Georgia Members ()
8. 05:17 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox Georgia Members (RRTRACK@aol.com)
9. 05:47 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox Georgia Members (kirk hull)
10. 06:53 PM - Re: Re: Bungee replacement (steve eccles)
11. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox Georgia Members (Wadetc@aol.com)
12. 07:15 PM - Re: Kitfox Georgia Members (wingnut)
13. 09:09 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox Georgia Members (Lowell Fitt)
14. 09:21 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox Georgia Members (Michael Gibbs)
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| Subject: | changing bungees |
Guy, Thanks for the Bungee seminar. I have seen others, but none as conscis
e or clear as yours. I am confident I can get new bungees on the mod III I
am rebuilding. Pat Reilly Rockford IL> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:28:03 -08
00> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> From: bnn@nethere.com> Subject: Re: Kitf
n <bnn@nethere.com>> > At 02:53 PM 12/27/2007, you wrote:> >I have a Kitfox
4-1200 and need to change the landing gear bungees.> > > Tools: Vice grips
> Chunk of leather> BIG channel locks> > Personnel: 1> > Procedure:> > 1. T
ie wheels together. (It doesn't take much as friction does most > of the wo
rk. You'll want to put in a trucker's hitch to snug gear > hard against the
fuselage.)> > 2. CAREFULLY unwind the old bungee. Don't just cut it unless
you like > doing fabric work.> > 3. Put on new bungee getting as many wrap
s as you can without working > hard. Attach loop to peg.> > 4. Tape the lea
ther to the vice grip jaws.> > 5. Take channel locks and CAREFULLY pull sla
ck out of the bungee, > starting at the "inboard" end and working out. When
you get to the > last loop, pull the slack then clamp the bungee where it
goes over > the upper tube. DO NOT TRY TO GET ALL THE SLACK OUT, JUST ENOUG
H TO > GET ANOTHER WRAP. The remaining bungee will go around the lower tube
> and back to the peg. This remainder will have a lot of slack in it.> > 6
. Using the slack, take another wrap around the fuselage tubes.> > 7. Repea
t 5 and 6 until you get six wraps. It turns out to be quite > easy. Just be
careful not to shred the bungee with the channel locks > or vice grips. It
doesn't take much pressure to get a grip and you > don't have to pull hard
.> > > > > Guy Buchanan> San Diego, CA> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% don
==============> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee replacement |
Guy,
Thanks for the excellent bungee replacement procedure! I have copied it
and will use it as a guide along with the other suggestions, when I replace
them.(Right now they are being made)
I found out yesterday that I have some gear misalignment. As I push the
aircraft into the hanger the gear droops about 1 1/2 inch from the stops and as
I go forward about 15 ft it tightens up against the stops. So, I have some
toe in on the gear. I also had this on a Luscombe I use to own and some of the
old timers suggested I get a big piece of pipe and put it on the axles to bend
the gear into alignment as that is how they use to do it. I just lived with it
instead.
Thanks again !
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Pensacola, Fl.
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee replacement |
I had bungee's on my Model IV. You must keep them very tight. If you can
see them moving when you taxi around, they are too loose. They are designe
d to move if you land hard, if the wind gets under a wing and the bungee sa
gs you will be doing wheelies on the runway or taxiway. I have spring gear
now with 6 ply aircraft tires. A very different airplane in the wind. Cl
int 1300 hours
From: Catz631@aol.comDate: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:13:44 -0500Subject: Kitfox-L
ist: Re: Bungee replacementTo: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Guy,
Thanks for the excellent bungee replacement procedure! I have copied it
and will use it as a guide along with the other suggestions, when I replace
them.(Right now they are being made)
I found out yesterday that I have some gear misalignment. As I push the
aircraft into the hanger the gear droops about 1 1/2 inch from the stops a
nd as I go forward about 15 ft it tightens up against the stops. So, I have
some toe in on the gear. I also had this on a Luscombe I use to own and so
me of the old timers suggested I get a big piece of pipe and put it on the
axles to bend the gear into alignment as that is how they use to do it. I j
ust lived with it instead.
Thanks again !
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Pensacola, Fl.
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| Subject: | Kitfox Georgia Members |
Are there any KF members around Warner Robins, Georgia that would like t
o give me a lesson in their plane on presidents weekend Jan 19-21, while
my wife is running a marathon? We'll be coming from Alaska where I'm l
earning to fly my KF Series 5 when I can pin my CFI down for instruction
, which isn't often. My wife Debbie runs marathons around the country w
hen she can and when I can get away with her I try to do something for m
e too.If there's anyone in the area who would like to help me out please
e-mail back.
Thanks, Layne Cropper ph: 907-569-2767 DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee replacement |
At 07:13 AM 12/30/2007, you wrote:
>I found out yesterday that I have some gear misalignment. As I push
>the aircraft into the hanger the gear droops about 1 1/2 inch from
>the stops and as I go forward about 15 ft it tightens up against the stops.
Be careful with this. If you have any camber, as I do, there will
always be "apparent" toe in when in a three point attitude. (Camber
is when the bottoms of the tires are closer together than the tops.)
If you picture rotating the aircraft so it points straight up and
then setting the tires on a table, you'll see the maximum extreme of
the toe in associated with camber. Even though it's much less in a
three point it's still there. (Toe-in due to camber will
theoretically be zero when the fuselage is horizontal.)
My plane has a bunch of camber resulting in about 2.5 degrees of
toe-in in a three point attitude and about 1 1/4 degrees when the
fuselage is horizontal. I have no problem with this configuration
other than that I have to replace my tires after 200 hours and ?
landings. I think the reason for my camber and toe-in is that when
the plane hits hard and the camber goes negative then the toe-in will
go to zero. Just a theory. (The original builder built beefy new tube
gear with more camber and a little toe-in.)
You'll see many toe-in arguments in the archives. I personally
believe toe-out is theoretically better, but as you can see I've been
flying with toed-in tube gear and have had virtually no problems in a
wide variety of conditions: high speed, low speed, wheelies,
three-point, crosswind, pavement, dirt, and mud. Go figure.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Georgia Members |
Out of curiosity, how would insurance work if I let you take a lesson with my Kitfox?
Anyone know?
> Are there any KF members around Warner Robins, Georgia that would like to give
me a lesson in their plane on presidents weekend Jan 19-21, while my wife is
running a marathon?
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Kitfox Georgia Members |
Lane
Send me a note closer to the date. Not sure what the Mrs will have
planned.
I'm based a little over an hour away (via Kitfox). I have a Series 7.
Frank
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 5:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Georgia Members
Are there any KF members around Warner Robins, Georgia that would like
to give me a lesson in their plane on presidents weekend Jan 19-21,
while my wife is running a marathon? We'll be coming from Alaska where
I'm learning to fly my KF Series 5 when I can pin my CFI down for
instruction, which isn't often. My wife Debbie runs marathons around
the country when she can and when I can get away with her I try to do
something for me too.If there's anyone in the area who would like to
help me out please e-mail back.
Thanks, Layne Cropper ph: 907-569-2767 DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Georgia Members |
For Experimental Aircraft every policy I have seen is for "Named Pilots
Only". All pilots must be named on the insurance policy and the rate is figured
off the lowest experience or worst history pilot.
Mark
Kitfox 5 Vixen
912UL IVO
Hartford, Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Georgia Members |
Most insurance will not cover giving instruction to others. They are also
usually for the named pilot only. The EAA insurance is definitely that way
as I was going to put an instructor on my policy to instruct my father and
the insurance would not cover it. However what they don't know they don't
complain about.
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 7:08 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Georgia Members
Out of curiosity, how would insurance work if I let you take a lesson with
my Kitfox? Anyone know?
> Are there any KF members around Warner Robins, Georgia that would like to
give me a lesson in their plane on presidents weekend Jan 19-21, while my
wife is running a marathon?
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155071#155071
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee replacement |
Gary
I think that the toe out situation is far worse than the toe in .Just my .02
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Bungee replacement
At 07:13 AM 12/30/2007, you wrote:
>I found out yesterday that I have some gear misalignment. As I push
>the aircraft into the hanger the gear droops about 1 1/2 inch from
>the stops and as I go forward about 15 ft it tightens up against the stops.
Be careful with this. If you have any camber, as I do, there will
always be "apparent" toe in when in a three point attitude. (Camber
is when the bottoms of the tires are closer together than the tops.)
If you picture rotating the aircraft so it points straight up and
then setting the tires on a table, you'll see the maximum extreme of
the toe in associated with camber. Even though it's much less in a
three point it's still there. (Toe-in due to camber will
theoretically be zero when the fuselage is horizontal.)
My plane has a bunch of camber resulting in about 2.5 degrees of
toe-in in a three point attitude and about 1 1/4 degrees when the
fuselage is horizontal. I have no problem with this configuration
other than that I have to replace my tires after 200 hours and ?
landings. I think the reason for my camber and toe-in is that when
the plane hits hard and the camber goes negative then the toe-in will
go to zero. Just a theory. (The original builder built beefy new tube
gear with more camber and a little toe-in.)
You'll see many toe-in arguments in the archives. I personally
believe toe-out is theoretically better, but as you can see I've been
flying with toed-in tube gear and have had virtually no problems in a
wide variety of conditions: high speed, low speed, wheelies,
three-point, crosswind, pavement, dirt, and mud. Go figure.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Georgia Members |
Except if you ever expect to collect. Why carry and pay for a premium that
will never pay off.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Georgia Members |
I remember reading something about renter's insurance. Is there an equivalent
that would cover the airplane in this situation. I'd be happy to loan my airplane
to a fellow looking to learn in a Kitfox but I'd feel allot better about it
if I knew the airplane would be covered if it got bent..
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Georgia Members |
I think this last comment is spot on. I just went through the claim process
and thorough is not even close to the scrutiny you will be put to by the FAA
as well as the insurance carrier.
I have allowed the use of my airplane for check rides twice. Never for
primary training, but in both instances the flight instructor-check pilot's
name as well as the checkee's name was on the policy and the Checkee never
flew as PIC. The insurance policy premium was increased for the entire year
portion remaining based on the minimum experience and reverted back to me
being named pilot, only upon reapplying for the policy with the application
required giving hours, named insured, etc.
But, I must agree that insurance and the premiums paid do you no good
what-so-ever --- until you need it.
And not paying the approximately $600 (about $5400) additional annual
premium over liability would have put me permanently out of flying. And it
scares the "you know" what out of me at this point not having it (or having
disqualifying circumstances) and even the thought of giving rides to non
family members chills me at this point. I quake wondering what my financial
position would be right now if the injured right seat passenger had not been
my wife. I have even thought of not putting in the right seat in the case I
build again. This after 1000 hours of care free uneventful flying and tons
of rides with friends. I wonder about the poor soul flying the overloaded
Bonanza that killed two of his best friends riding in the back seat, the
same day we went down.
Incidentally, I learned today, the two same day accidents out of Cameron
Park made the top ten news stories in El Dorado County here, according to
the Mountain Democrat.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <Wadetc@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Georgia Members
> Except if you ever expect to collect. Why carry and pay for a premium
> that
> will never pay off.
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Georgia Members |
Luis sez:
>Out of curiosity, how would insurance work if I let you take a
>lesson with my Kitfox? Anyone know?
Nothing anyone on this list says makes any difference, Luis. You
need to check with your insurance company--their opinion is the only
one that matters.
Mike G.
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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