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1. 12:25 AM - Wanted! (RAY Gignac)
2. 12:28 AM - Re: Polybrush help!!! (wadegreaves)
3. 01:17 AM - Re: Greetings... ()
4. 01:27 AM - Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers (Glenn Horne)
5. 01:47 AM - Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers (Michel Verheughe)
6. 01:59 AM - Re: Kitfox construction (A Smith)
7. 02:00 AM - Re: Greetings... (john oakley)
8. 02:05 AM - Re: Greetings... (kitfoxjunky)
9. 04:39 AM - Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers (W Duke)
10. 05:00 AM - Re: Current events/ski story (Lynn Matteson)
11. 05:19 AM - Re: Re: Polybrush help!!! (Lynn Matteson)
12. 05:25 AM - FW: Engines-List: Re: Ford Model A aero mod? (Rick)
13. 05:44 AM - Re: Ford Model A aero mod? (Dee Young)
14. 06:55 AM - Re: Polybrush help (Cal Anderson)
15. 07:03 AM - Re: Wanted! (dcsfoto)
16. 08:02 AM - Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers (Marco Menezes)
17. 08:27 AM - Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers (Tom Jones)
18. 08:38 AM - Re: Wanted! (Harold Flynn)
19. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Polybrush help!!! (Marco Menezes)
20. 10:19 AM - Re: Polybrush help!!! (n85ae)
21. 11:00 AM - Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers (Michel Verheughe)
22. 11:21 AM - Re: Re: Polybrush help!!! (GONER752@aol.com)
23. 11:27 AM - M4 Speedster 912UL Project for Sale (Don & Betty Stevenson)
24. 11:47 AM - Re: Greetings... (Michel Verheughe)
25. 11:51 AM - MODEL 4 SPEEDSTER/912UL FOR SALE (Don & Betty Stevenson)
26. 12:41 PM - Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers (Tom Jones)
27. 12:49 PM - Re: Greetings... (Ron Zeppin)
28. 02:14 PM - Re: Weighty issues. Was Polybrush help!!! (Marco Menezes)
29. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers (Marco Menezes)
30. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers (Lynn Matteson)
31. 02:57 PM - Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers (Tom Jones)
32. 03:19 PM - LOW power limits (Dave G.)
33. 04:01 PM - LOW power limits (Rexster)
34. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers (Lynn Matteson)
35. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers (Ron Zeppin)
36. 04:52 PM - 912 question... (Ron Zeppin)
37. 04:59 PM - Re: 912 question... (SkySteve)
38. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: Weighty issues. Was Polybrush help!!! (shinco)
39. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Weighty issues. Was Polybrush help!!! (shinco)
40. 06:27 PM - Pros' & Cons' 912UL vs 912ULS (Dale H)
41. 06:44 PM - John McBean E-mail (jeff puls)
42. 06:44 PM - Re: Polybrush help!!! (jeff puls)
43. 06:56 PM - Re: LOW power limits (dave)
44. 07:14 PM - Re: Pros' & Cons' 912UL vs 912ULS (floran higgins)
45. 07:42 PM - Re: Pros' & Cons' 912UL vs 912ULS (Rexster)
46. 09:04 PM - Re: Polybrush help!!! (Noel Loveys)
47. 11:33 PM - Re: Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers (Michel Verheughe)
48. 11:42 PM - Re: Greetings... (Michel Verheughe)
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Looking for a Terra 760D radio! does anyone have one they are not using tha
t would be willing to sell to me.
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| Subject: | Re: Polybrush help!!! |
Success found it seems!
I did a few things.
Got a new air line since the old one was used in the days before the filter in
case there was any oil in there.
Heated hangar up to a good 65 degrees or so using the heater.
Used a different brand of MEK to clean the surface. According the Polyfiber, some
MEK is recycled carburator cleaner and contains an array nasty contaminants.
Bought a different brand of cotton rags (Bag'o'Rags).
Those are the variables that made a difference. Whatever the key one was, it appears
to be gone.
Shot a side of my horz, rudder, elevator, and the top and sides of the fuselage.
Looks great. Amazing how as you add the layers, stuff you thought would look
like crap seem to fade away. Cant wait to put on a coat of Polyspray after
a sanded coat!
Thanks all for the help!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156869#156869
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| Subject: | Re: Greetings... |
Ron, If you like the idea of building your own engine, as well as the airframe,
Corvairs are highly "do-able." $3000 total investment - so build an extra or
two (like me). They're comparable to running a Lyc or a Cont so get a Kitfox with
forward wing sweep to compensate for the extra weight (kitfox Sport, I think
it's called). But start with William Wynne's engine construction manual -very
small cost. It'll give you enough info to determine whether you really want
to build the engine or not. Then look through the Matronics archives for "Corvair."
I think that so far there are only a couple (few?) flying, but there are
some interesting posts on the subject. Somewhere out there lurks Norm who has
flown behind the Corvair. I'm still a year away, but working at it. Smooth
engine!! Mine is mounted and running. Smooth and quiet. John Sandt /
Ridgecrest, CA / Series 7 / Corvair / BRS / Builder
<<<<From: Ron Zeppin <rzeppin@cox.net>
At this point, I'm strongly considering Corvair for a powerplant, or possibly Subaru,
although I'm strongly leaning towards the Corvair.>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers |
Screw them out. I did mine and put them back in. No problem.
GLENN HORNE
Kitfox Model II
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:46 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers
> While on the subject; I have no reason to believe I have problems with my
> finger strainers but ... it could be nice to check that are not halv
> cloted, right? But I don't really want to remove them. Isn't it possible
> to suck fuel from the refueling cap side and hold a hose close to the
> strainer to see if some dirty stuff of particles is being sucked? Has
> anyone tried that?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
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> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com</a>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers |
On Jan 8, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> The mesh in those strainers is pretty big.
Marco, can you give me the approximate size of the mesh, please? I have
never seen one open. Thanks in advance,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox construction |
I got some pics from an amature builder. They were from an idea and plan
that he had. They were fantastic. Great work. Hang in there all of you
builders, there is a lot of know how in this group. I must step out now
though.
Albert Smith
Kitfox 5, NSI Turbo, CAP 140
Built and trying to fly.
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Ron,
Welcome from salt lake area.
The group will give you any guidance or info that you want. The fox is cheap
to fly and a bunch of fun for the price.
John Oakley
Kitfox 4 speedster 912ul cap
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Zeppin
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:40 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Greetings...
Hi all... I just thought I'd introduce myself, I hope that's ok to do here.
My name is Ron Zeppin, 39, I live in Tempe, AZ with my wife and 4 kids,
10, 10, 12, 13. (3-girls, 1-boy) 7 ferrets, 2 rats, and a hamster... In
a pear tree.
I'm a field service tech working on cash handling systems. I've been a
fan of aviation for as long as I can remember.
I've always wanted to be a pilot, but things never seemed to be right.
My 'new' wife is in college after a 10 year hiatus going for her Masters
degree.
She's all for getting my SPL/PPL, and feels it would be very nice to
have our own plane. After looking at a TON of stuff, and weight out all
my options,
the Kitfox seems to be the clear choice. My wife and I were able to sit
in the white and blue Kitfox that I believe is the owners at the
Copperstate fly-in
Oct '06. I'm a big guy, and the Kitfox seemed to be a nice fit. I've
been a 'mechanical' person my entire life. (Parents had to keep the
appliances away from me
when I was 8... ;) I think it would be a wonderful feeling of
accomplishment to build and fly my own aircraft. I've been building a
flying large 'model' rockets for
the past 10 years, the largest of which was 16" diameter, 11' tall, and
weighed 130lbs. Went 5200ft with perfect recovery! ;)
I was pretty excited to find this forum, as I've learned a LOT about
various thing through forums.
So I'm a total newbie to real aircraft (some RC experience). I'm hoping
to learn a lot here from you veterans, and other builders alike.
I've got some time before I'm able to order a kit, and am considering
doing it in kit stages, otherwise I'll wind up waiting until the wife is
done
with college and is in the workforce, and order the whole shebang at once.
At this point, I'm strongly considering Corvair for a powerplant, or
possibly Subaru, although I'm strongly leaning towards the Corvair.
Sorry for writing a book, especially if I shouldn't have! I tend to ramble!
Cheers guys, hope '08 is a productive and SAFE one!
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Greetings... |
New list members are always welcome. We have all gone through a similar
process with respect to selecting an airplane, and wound up with a
Kitfox, so you are in good company.
Something I may suggest...you have the option of buying a completed
Kitfox, rather than build one from a kit. Check the archives and you will
find much debate about how the Kitfox is undervalued in terms of resale
value. As a potential new owner, I would suggest you maybe take advantage
of that before the market wakes up to the reality of these incredible
little airplanes. I have seen excellent examples for sale in the $ 20K
range. You cannot build one for that. That is how I got involved. I
purchased a completed plane that was owned by someone I knew. I had
watched it fly for several years, so I had a good idea as to what I was
getting. Well..not really...but it was a quicker path. Feel better
knowing it inside and out...maybe try a rebuild if you have the time and
interest.
Of course that does not mean you do not have a lot of choices to make. Two
stroke vs four. Rotax. Jab, Auto conversation or a used Lyc or
Continental. Trike gear vs tail dragger, model I, II, II, IV, V
.......speedster vs long wing. List members are always willing to debate
these topics.
This list is a wealth of information here so do not hesitate to take
advantage of it. Check out some of the other internet offerings. YouTube
is a fun place to wander. Type in Kitfox. Look for a clip of the White and
Blue anphib. I am the guy in the left seat with a huge smile on my face.
Cheers
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers |
Thanks,
I am familiar with the strainers. The more people that have checked them
and never found anything make me feel better about not checking. Another thought
is that since I have 2; the odds of both causing a significant restriction
at the same time is low. I do like the bore scope idea though.
Maxwell S6/TD/IO240
Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com> wrote:
Maxwell -
The mesh in those strainers is pretty big. It's a bit like they're designed to
keep mice from clogging your fuel system. If fuel is flowing freely and you're
not finding smaller stuff in downstream filters/traps, it's a solid bet finger
strainers are clean.
I remove and inspect mine annually with no problem. I wouldn't if it meant cutting
tho. Have never found anything in them. I burn 93 octane auto.
W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com> wrote:
Along this thread: Has anyone found any problems when they checked. What
type of fuel do they run and at how many hours? I admit to not having checked
mine. I am not sure I can get them out without cutting into the butt rib.
Maxwell
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| Subject: | Re: Current events/ski story |
Thanks, Steve. The "coking" was the exact concern that I had. My
element sits under the pan but over the oil cooler, and it's the
cooler, with its thinner tubes that is my concern. I've been having
this mental picture going on, since I started to use the strip
heater, of a hot spot like you mentioned. I've thought about moving
the heater to a different area so that this doesn't present a
problem, and I think that's the answer. Either that or insulate the
bottom of my heater a bit so that where the oil is the least
concentrated, so is the heat.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/450+ hrs
On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:18 PM, 84KF wrote:
> Lynn,
>
> I've installed a number of FAA PMA approved preheaters on misc.
> Continental and Lycoming engines, mostly the "Tanis" systems. These
> consist of heat pads that are siliconed to the oil tank, or sump,
> and may include individual heating elements that are attached to
> the individual cylinders in various ways.
>
> For some reason, I recall , probably from their advertising
> literature, that the main concern was not to allow f a "hot spot"
> to develope at the tank or sump from high,unregulated, heater pad
> temperture. They went on to explain how their "systems" were
> thermostatically" controled to prevent this, maintaining a mild,
> constant heat point, so as not to allow the oil to "coke", which I
> THINK means "burn". They aslo "warned" about the "dipstick
> heaters", again, they would get much to hot, at the stick itself,
> and break down the oil.in contact with it. A unusual change in oil
> colour, with traces of black soot\sludge mixed in might indicate
> "coking" at a hot spot.
>
> Another concern, again paraphrased, was condesation developing in a
> constanaly changing enviroment inside a tank\sump\engine if a
> consistant ambiant temp is not maintained over a long period of
> time due to irregular thermostat control.
>
> These are just things I remember hearing\reading about. I couldn't
> prove or disprove any of them personally.
>
> I would think any pad\element that is not allowed to run wild is fine.
>
> This is just second hand, old memory, heresay, but the concept is
> sound.
>
> At the time, a Tannis would run about $150.00, but one could get a
> automotive style oil pan heater from J.C.Whitney for $15.00. Both
> would do the same, but only one was " FAA Approved". for
> installation on Certificated aircraft and naturally, Tanis wanted
> one to buy their products.
>
> Steve Benesh
>
> 84KF
>
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
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| Subject: | Re: Polybrush help!!! |
I'd try to keep the heat up to that 65 for a good long time, rather
than doing a lot of cycling of the heat.
I'd bet on the rags.
You mention "as you add the layers"...not too many layers of the Poly-
Brush, I hope. Two sprayed-on coats over the one brushed-on.
And one more thing..."after a sanded coat" of what? Don't try to sand
the Poly-Brush!
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/450+ hrs
On Jan 9, 2008, at 3:27 AM, wadegreaves wrote:
> <reinagreaves@comcast.net>
>
> Success found it seems!
>
> I did a few things.
>
> Got a new air line since the old one was used in the days before
> the filter in case there was any oil in there.
>
> Heated hangar up to a good 65 degrees or so using the heater.
>
> Used a different brand of MEK to clean the surface. According the
> Polyfiber, some MEK is recycled carburator cleaner and contains an
> array nasty contaminants.
>
> Bought a different brand of cotton rags (Bag'o'Rags).
>
> Those are the variables that made a difference. Whatever the key
> one was, it appears to be gone.
>
> Shot a side of my horz, rudder, elevator, and the top and sides of
> the fuselage. Looks great. Amazing how as you add the layers,
> stuff you thought would look like crap seem to fade away. Cant
> wait to put on a coat of Polyspray after a sanded coat!
>
> Thanks all for the help!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156869#156869
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Engines-List: Re: Ford Model A aero mod? |
Nice for a display but unless I missed something are you seriously
considering putting a model A engine in a fox? Are you flying now?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MF
Sent: 2008-01-08 18:48
Subject: Engines-List: Re: Ford Model A aero mod?
--> Engines-List message posted by: "MF" <ferrari@lakenet.com>
Thanks to all for your replies.
I have had a couple of Ford guys contact me off the forum. I have some
info on the way regarding this type of conversion and if I learn
anything good I'll post it here. I'm pretty sure I want to go with the
Ford. I saw a Ford powered Piet years ago and filed that away in the
gotta-have-one-someday box. The motor I picked up is interesting from a
historical and mechanical perspective but I intend to go with the more
traditional Ford conversion. I think I'll go through this air/oil
cooled motor to see what makes it go, but I don't think I'll fly it. If
any of you think of anything else, I'm all ears.
Thanks again!
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: Ford Model A aero mod? |
This is an interesting idea, there is a Pietpol under construction next
door. Guess what, he has a model A engine hanging on the front of it. If
you want a picture of the installation maybe we can help you out.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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<wingsdown@verizon.net<mailto:wingsdown@verizon.net>>
Nice for a display but unless I missed something are you seriously
considering putting a model A engine in a fox? Are you flying now?
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| Subject: | RE: Polybrush help |
Wade
Have your considered the fact that the new heater you have may be
introducing contaminates into the air. You say its a JP4 heater, is that
the same a kerosene? If it is and you are venting it directly into your
spraying environment it could be your cause of problems. Also could be a
source of ignition of your over spray fumes.
Cal Anderson
Time: 12:32:19 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Polybrush help!!!
From: "wadegreaves" <reinagreaves@comcast.net>
I am lost!
I got my spray equipment up to par with a filter/water trap. Have
plenty of line
and a good HVLP gun. Thinned my polybrush out with 65-75 (3:1). Gun
sprays
nice and smooth. I clean the surface with MEK to ensure there is no
contaminants....
Then I spray the fabric and it literally looks like water on a well
sealed deck.
Doesn't want to settle smoothly. It will bead up into blobs here and
there.
Could this be due to low air temperature? That's the only think I can
think of.
It is cold here in Oregon right now...in the 30s. I am heating my
hangar up
to probably about 50 or so. The minds at the field seem to think that
low temps
and spraying polybrush is fine.
I bought a JP-4 powered forced air heater to get my hangar toasty and am
hoping
that the warmer air will eliminate this problem.
Anyone else heard of or observed this odd behavior? (not mine...the
polybrush's)
Any advice would be great....losing it over here! [Evil or Very Mad]
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I have the old Terra Handheld,willing to part with.
call 501 804 9285
Do not arcive
David Kelm Kitfox III and 7
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers |
Michel - It's been a year since I took them out and my recollection may be somewhat
spotty but I'd guess the finger strainer mesh is about 3/32" or larger.
As I mentioned, I've never found anything stuck in them although my Purelator-type
in-line filters, just a few inches downstream, have trapped alot of small
particles.
Jimmie - Seems I also recall trying to look down the filler hole with mirror
& light, and that the view is blocked, presumably by baffles. At least that was
my experience. I have the 6 gal fiberglass tanks.
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
On Jan 8, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> The mesh in those strainers is pretty big.
Marco, can you give me the approximate size of the mesh, please? I have
never seen one open. Thanks in advance,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers |
> Marco, can you give me the approximate size of the mesh, please? I have
> never seen one open.
Michel, here's a finger strainer picture attached.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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I don't have a radio but I do have a new Terra altitude digitizer Mod. AT 3000
fo sale. If interested call me at 574-586-2883
Harold Flynn
RAY Gignac <kitfoxpilot@msn.com> wrote:
.hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE:
10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Looking for a Terra 760D radio! does anyone
have one they are not using that would be willing to sell to me.
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| Subject: | Re: Polybrush help!!! |
One more observation, FWIW, from a guy who did not do the fabric on his airplane.
I think there may be a tendency among builders, especially with finish coats,
to correct errors by spraying on more material. I know I do that all the time
in my woodworking. That stuff is heavy. Just pick up a can as a reminder. The
more you use, the less you'll carry.
I love Lola but at 535# EW, she is a bit "full-figured" for a model 2.
Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
I'd try to keep the heat up to that 65 for a good long time, rather
than doing a lot of cycling of the heat.
I'd bet on the rags.
You mention "as you add the layers"...not too many layers of the Poly-
Brush, I hope. Two sprayed-on coats over the one brushed-on.
And one more thing..."after a sanded coat" of what? Don't try to sand
the Poly-Brush!
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/450+ hrs
On Jan 9, 2008, at 3:27 AM, wadegreaves wrote:
>
>
> Success found it seems!
>
> I did a few things.
>
> Got a new air line since the old one was used in the days before
> the filter in case there was any oil in there.
>
> Heated hangar up to a good 65 degrees or so using the heater.
>
> Used a different brand of MEK to clean the surface. According the
> Polyfiber, some MEK is recycled carburator cleaner and contains an
> array nasty contaminants.
>
> Bought a different brand of cotton rags (Bag'o'Rags).
>
> Those are the variables that made a difference. Whatever the key
> one was, it appears to be gone.
>
> Shot a side of my horz, rudder, elevator, and the top and sides of
> the fuselage. Looks great. Amazing how as you add the layers,
> stuff you thought would look like crap seem to fade away. Cant
> wait to put on a coat of Polyspray after a sanded coat!
>
> Thanks all for the help!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156869#156869
>
>
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Polybrush help!!! |
I sprayed at temps from the mid 40's to 80+ never had a problem, just
have to make sure to brush it on first.
I like Aerothane spraying at cold temp best, because it flows out smooth
as glass at cold temp.
Jeff Hays
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers |
On Jan 9, 2008, at 1:33 AM, Glenn Horne wrote:
> Screw them out. I did mine and put them back in. No problem.
You probably have built your plane yourself, Glenn. I haven't and I
know that the builder (who has passed away since) of my plane did an
excellent job. It was actually his third Kitfox. I am therefore always
afraid to damage something he did well. Beside that, it looks awkward
to remove mine; the access in the wing root is limited.
On Jan 9, 2008, at 4:55 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Michel - It's been a year since I took them out and my recollection
> may be somewhat spotty but I'd guess the finger strainer mesh is
> about3/32" or larger.
Thank you, Marco. My gascolator has also always been free of debris. I
am pretty sure my tanks are clean but ... it's nice if I can positively
confirm it.
On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Tom Jones wrote:
> Michel, here's a finger strainer picture attached.
Thank you, Tom. From your ruler, I make it about 1 mm mesh. Somewhat
oarser than my gascolator.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Polybrush help!!! |
In a message dated 1/9/2008 11:59:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
msm_9949@yahoo.com writes:
I love Lola but at 535# EW, she is a bit "full-figured" for a model 2.
Geez, here's another one. Your mod.2 is 535 empty? The data plate on my
mod.2 shows 566 empty wt.
I have got to get her on some scales.It's just your garden variety mod.2
with a 582 and GSC 3 blade. No armor plating or other obvious heavy stuff. I've
often thought about "freshening up" the paint, but I'm starting to rethink
that for the additional weight gain.
Cheers,
Greg G.
Macedon, N.Y.
23NK
n375KL
Mod 2
582
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| Subject: | M4 Speedster 912UL Project for Sale |
Hi Everyone, I have a Kitfox model 4 speedster/912UL project (about 85 to 90% completed)
for sale. I,m located in Southern Ontario, Canada and sadly must sell
for personal reasons. So as not to get into a long post with all the details,
anyone interested can contact me off list at the following:-
Email: shericom@rogers.com
Phone: 905-838-5283
Thanks,
Don Stevenson
Caledon, Ontario, Canada (Just N/W of Toronto)
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| Subject: | Re: Greetings... |
On Jan 9, 2008, at 10:51 AM, kitfoxjunky wrote:
> Something I may suggest...you have the option of buying a completed
> Kitfox, rather than build one from a kit.
Hello and welcome to the list, Ron. I have to agree with Gary, here.
Building a Kitfox is - as I understand from our friends on the list - a
time exhausting endeavour. I bought mine second hand and while I
understand the pleasure to fly the plane one has built, I know that I
would never had the patience to build one myself.
You have four kids and a wife. Are you sure you have the time to build?
Of course, this is none of my business but ... I waited until our son
had left home to first, go sailing long distances, and now, fly around
with my Kitfox. But even so, now that I am a grand-father, my leisure
time is divided between flying and ... baby sitting. Not that I regret
the latter, grand-parenthood is truly life's dessert.
Incidentally, thank you for the link to the bore scope; I didn't know
those things existed.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | MODEL 4 SPEEDSTER/912UL FOR SALE |
"Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com> [input] [input] [input] [input]
Hi Everyone, I have a Kitfox model
4 speedster/912UL project (about 85 to 90% completed) for sale. I,m located
in Southern Ontario, Canada and sadly must sell for personal reasons. So as
not to get into a long post with all the details, anyone interested can contact
me off list at the following:-
Email: shericom@rogers.com
Phone: 905-838-5283
Thanks,
Don Stevenson
Caledon, Ontario, Canada (Just N/W of Toronto)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers |
> Thank you, Tom. From your ruler, I make it about 1 mm mesh. Somewhat
> oarser than my gascolator.
Michel, I just measured the mesh best I could. A straight pin from a sewing kit
will not fit. The point of the pin will go through but stops before the taper
is full diameter of the pin. With calipers and feeler gage I measured this
spot on the pin to be .010 (one ten-thousandths) of an inch or .254 mm.
The purpose of the finger strainers is to prevent larger debris from stopping fuel
flow from the tank. A much finer filter is required in the fuel line before
the carb to catch fine debris.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Greetings... |
Hi Michel. Thanks for the welcome!
I really enjoy building things... enjoyed building RC aircraft more than
flying them...go figure. ;)
This will be a VERY long road for me. With Ember (Wife) in college for
the next 4 years, I plan on spending a LOT
of time researching my options, getting my license, and making friends
with the local Kitfox folks.
The kids are the center of our world right now, and we purchased a 34'
RV last year to take trips with them, go to
weekend rocket launches, etc. My son is 13 and is very much like me in
enjoying building things. I think it'll make a great father-son
project, although he'll more thank likely be close to out of high school
before things really get moving.
On another note, how's the weather in Norway? Never been out of the US... ;)
You're welcome on the borescope link... They're VERY handy tools. NASCAR
use them to look down inside of carbs and intake manifolds
on Nextel Cup cars...
Ron
Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
> On Jan 9, 2008, at 10:51 AM, kitfoxjunky wrote:
>> Something I may suggest...you have the option of buying a completed
>> Kitfox, rather than build one from a kit.
>
> Hello and welcome to the list, Ron. I have to agree with Gary, here.
> Building a Kitfox is - as I understand from our friends on the list -
> a time exhausting endeavour. I bought mine second hand and while I
> understand the pleasure to fly the plane one has built, I know that I
> would never had the patience to build one myself.
> You have four kids and a wife. Are you sure you have the time to
> build? Of course, this is none of my business but ... I waited until
> our son had left home to first, go sailing long distances, and now,
> fly around with my Kitfox. But even so, now that I am a grand-father,
> my leisure time is divided between flying and ... baby sitting. Not
> that I regret the latter, grand-parenthood is truly life's dessert.
>
> Incidentally, thank you for the link to the bore scope; I didn't know
> those things existed.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weighty issues. Was Polybrush help!!! |
Yep. 535 empty. And that was before cargo pod, prop clutch, underseat storage locker,
more instrumentation, etc., etc. While I did use some really funky old
farm scales, I have mixed feelings about a more accurate weigh-in. She does have
a really nice paint job tho. :-)
GONER752@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/9/2008 11:59:57 A.M. Eastern
Standard Time, msm_9949@yahoo.com writes:
I love Lola but at 535# EW, she is a bit "full-figured" for a model 2.
Geez, here's another one. Your mod.2 is 535 empty? The data plate on my mod.2
shows 566 empty wt.
I have got to get her on some scales.It's just your garden variety mod.2 with
a 582 and GSC 3 blade. No armor plating or other obvious heavy stuff. I've often
thought about "freshening up" the paint, but I'm starting to rethink that
for the additional weight gain.
Cheers,
Greg G. Macedon, N.Y.
23NK
n375KL
Mod 2
582
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers |
I could swear the ones on my model 2 are coarser than that and don't look quite
like the one in Tom's picture. I'll have to yank one to be sure. Could they possibly
have supplied finer strainers with later models?
> Thank you, Tom. From your ruler, I make it about 1 mm mesh. Somewhat
> oarser than my gascolator.
Michel, I just measured the mesh best I could. A straight pin from a sewing kit
will not fit. The point of the pin will go through but stops before the taper
is full diameter of the pin. With calipers and feeler gage I measured this spot
on the pin to be .010 (one ten-thousandths) of an inch or .254 mm.
The purpose of the finger strainers is to prevent larger debris from stopping fuel
flow from the tank. A much finer filter is required in the fuel line before
the carb to catch fine debris.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers |
Oops, better go sit in the corner, Tom... .010" is read "ten
thousandths" of an inch....one ten-thousandths would be .0001"
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/450+ hrs
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On Jan 9, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Tom Jones wrote:
>
>
>> Thank you, Tom. From your ruler, I make it about 1 mm mesh. Somewhat
>> oarser than my gascolator.
>
>
> Michel, I just measured the mesh best I could. A straight pin from
> a sewing kit will not fit. The point of the pin will go through
> but stops before the taper is full diameter of the pin. With
> calipers and feeler gage I measured this spot on the pin to be .010
> (one ten-thousandths) of an inch or .254 mm.
>
> The purpose of the finger strainers is to prevent larger debris
> from stopping fuel flow from the tank. A much finer filter is
> required in the fuel line before the carb to catch fine debris.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV, Phase one
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157052#157052
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers |
> Oops, better go sit in the corner, Tom... .010" is read "ten
> thousandths" of an inch....one ten-thousandths would be .0001"
> Lynn Matteson
Lynn, I guess .0001" would be pretty small mesh. Thanks for catching that.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | LOW power limits |
I know the bulk of the list feels power is good and more of it is
better, but I'm curious how much is actually NEEDED. My 582 will perform
fine, great even with 65 HP. I know from others that a VW will perform
well and that an HKS 700E will be roughly the same in most respects as
my Rotax. There are people out there flying on a 503 although I have no
figures as to performance.
An Aeronca C3 made do with 35 HP and a lousy prop choice. So, I'm
curious with it's big wing, efficient airfoil and light weight, how few
ponies could a kitfox flier make do with? We don't have climb at 1500
FPM, 30% of that will do with the runways many of of us use. Some of
the early Cubs only had 40 HP.
So, how low (HP) can we go?
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
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| Subject: | LOW power limits |
Interesting question Dave. I tend to think with you on this subject. I h
ave a Model 3 right now and enjoy being able to use unleaded regular gas
with my 80 horse 912 UL (warp drive). I am very happy with the performa
nce of the plane and cruise between 100 and 105 mph (GPS).
My next plane will be a Model 7 and I'm wondering if I can still get awa
y with those 80 horses and regular fuel. My current plane weighs 660 po
unds and I expect that a Model seven will be about 100 pounds more. I'm
wondering if an in-flight adjustable prop would make up for those extra
100 pounds. Is anybody running a Model 7 with the 912 UL?
Rex Phelps 1050
-- "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
I know the bulk of the list feels power is good and more of it is better
, but I'm curious how much is actually NEEDED. My 582 will perform fine,
great even with 65 HP. I know from others that a VW will perform well a
nd that an HKS 700E will be roughly the same in most respects as my Rota
x. There are people out there flying on a 503 although I have no figures
as to performance. An Aeronca C3 made do with 35 HP and a lousy prop c
hoice. So, I'm curious with it's big wing, efficient airfoil and light w
eight, how few ponies could a kitfox flier make do with? We don't have c
limb at 1500 FPM, 30% of that will do with the runways many of of us use
. Some of the early Cubs only had 40 HP. So, how low (HP) can we go?
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers |
Now somebody can catch me....is .0001" a micron?
Lynn
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On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Tom Jones wrote:
>
>
>> Oops, better go sit in the corner, Tom... .010" is read "ten
>> thousandths" of an inch....one ten-thousandths would be .0001"
>> Lynn Matteson
>
>
> Lynn, I guess .0001" would be pretty small mesh. Thanks for
> catching that.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV, Phase one
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157078#157078
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers |
A Micron is One Millionth of a Millimeter, or Thirty Nine Millionths of
an inch (.000039")
Ron
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Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> Now somebody can catch me....is .0001" a micron?
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
>
> On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Tom Jones wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> Oops, better go sit in the corner, Tom... .010" is read "ten
>>> thousandths" of an inch....one ten-thousandths would be .0001"
>>> Lynn Matteson
>>
>>
>> Lynn, I guess .0001" would be pretty small mesh. Thanks for catching
>> that.
>>
>> --------
>> Tom Jones
>> Classic IV, Phase one
>> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
>> Ellensburg, WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157078#157078
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Hi all... Can anyone of you 912 owners give me an average cost of a rebuild?
What is an average cost of an 'Annual' on a Kitfox?
Thanks!
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: 912 question... |
Last Saturday (1/5/2008) I just had an annual on my Kitfox 1, 912A. The cost was
$150. I did not assist at all.
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Huntsville, UT
Kitfox I-IV 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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| Subject: | Re: Weighty issues. Was Polybrush help!!! |
Marco Menezes wrote:
> Yep. 535 empty. And that was before cargo pod, prop clutch, underseat
> storage locker, more instrumentation, etc., etc. While I did use some
> really funky old farm scales, I have mixed feelings about a more
> accurate weigh-in. She does have a really nice paint job tho. :-)
>
> */GONER752@aol.com/* wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/9/2008 11:59:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> msm_9949@yahoo.com writes:
>
> I love Lola but at 535# EW, she is a bit "full-figured" for a
> model 2.
>
> Geez, here's another one. Your mod.2 is 535 empty? The data plate
> on my mod.2 shows 566 empty wt.
> I have got to get her on some scales.It's just your garden variety
> mod.2 with a 582 and GSC 3 blade. No armor plating or other
> obvious heavy stuff. I've often thought about "freshening up" the
> paint, but I'm starting to rethink that for the additional weight
> gain.
> Cheers,
> Greg G.
> Macedon, N.Y.
> 23NK
> n375KL
> Mod 2
> 582
>
> do not archive
>
>
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My kitfox N554KF, KF2 weights at 533 empty.so yours is a app right.Steve
Shinabery N554KF KF2
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| Subject: | Re: Weighty issues. Was Polybrush help!!! |
Marco Menezes wrote:
> Yep. 535 empty. And that was before cargo pod, prop clutch, underseat
> storage locker, more instrumentation, etc., etc. While I did use some
> really funky old farm scales, I have mixed feelings about a more
> accurate weigh-in. She does have a really nice paint job tho. :-)
>
> */GONER752@aol.com/* wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/9/2008 11:59:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> msm_9949@yahoo.com writes:
>
> I love Lola but at 535# EW, she is a bit "full-figured" for a
> model 2.
>
> Geez, here's another one. Your mod.2 is 535 empty? The data plate
> on my mod.2 shows 566 empty wt.
> I have got to get her on some scales.It's just your garden variety
> mod.2 with a 582 and GSC 3 blade. No armor plating or other
> obvious heavy stuff. I've often thought about "freshening up" the
> paint, but I'm starting to rethink that for the additional weight
> gain.
> Cheers,
> Greg G.
> Macedon, N.Y.
> 23NK
> n375KL
> Mod 2
> 582
>
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My KF2 ,N554KF,,2,,6gal fuel tanks,all the raidos.and
Nav,transponder.strobes.under storage and behind the seats storage.Wt#
empty 533 lbs..with out the cargo pod..Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2
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| Subject: | Pros' & Cons' 912UL vs 912ULS |
Speaking of the Rotax 912........... I have a newby question. I don't
own a Kitfox yet, and I'm still considering buying a flying one. I'm
thinking about a model IV with a 912.
What are the Pro's & Con's of the 912UL vs the 912ULS? Of course the
obvious, the 912ULS has 20 more hp. Are there any down sides to having
the 912ULS? Is it a HUGE performace difference between them? I have
run across more 80hp models than 100hp models forsale.
Thanks,
Dale Herseth
Mesa, Az
----- Original Message -----
From: Rexster
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:58 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: LOW power limits
Interesting question Dave. I tend to think with you on this subject. I
have a Model 3 right now and enjoy being able to use unleaded regular
gas with my 80 horse 912 UL (warp drive). I am very happy with the
performance of the plane and cruise between 100 and 105 mph (GPS).
My next plane will be a Model 7 and I'm wondering if I can still get
away with those 80 horses and regular fuel. My current plane weighs 660
pounds and I expect that a Model seven will be about 100 pounds more.
I'm wondering if an in-flight adjustable prop would make up for those
extra 100 pounds. Is anybody running a Model 7 with the 912 UL?
Rex Phelps 1050
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| Subject: | John McBean E-mail |
Can someone send me the e-mail John sent out about the first flight
thing. It had a form attached. I misplaced it. Thanks. Jeff Classic IV
CMH
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| Subject: | Re: Polybrush help!!! |
You may want to wipe the cloth lightly with a tack rag. I didn't have any
luck spraying that stuff below 60 degrees. I would suggest you heat the
hanger as warm as you possible can and then turn the heater off. I don't
think the fumes from the Polybrush mix well with an open flame. Don't give
up, it is not that uncommon. When you say "blobs," are they like small
beads? Jeff Classic IV CMH
----- Original Message -----
From: "wadegreaves" <reinagreaves@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 3:30 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Polybrush help!!!
> <reinagreaves@comcast.net>
>
> I am lost!
>
> I got my spray equipment up to par with a filter/water trap. Have plenty
> of line and a good HVLP gun. Thinned my polybrush out with 65-75 (3:1).
> Gun sprays nice and smooth. I clean the surface with MEK to ensure there
> is no contaminants....
>
> Then I spray the fabric and it literally looks like water on a well sealed
> deck. Doesn't want to settle smoothly. It will bead up into blobs here
> and there.
>
> Could this be due to low air temperature? That's the only think I can
> think of. It is cold here in Oregon right now...in the 30s. I am heating
> my hangar up to probably about 50 or so. The minds at the field seem to
> think that low temps and spraying polybrush is fine.
> I bought a JP-4 powered forced air heater to get my hangar toasty and am
> hoping that the warmer air will eliminate this problem.
> Anyone else heard of or observed this odd behavior? (not mine...the
> polybrush's)
>
> Any advice would be great....losing it over here! [Evil or Very Mad]
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156727#156727
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: LOW power limits |
> I know the bulk of the list feels power is good and more of it is better, but
I'm curious how much is actually NEEDED. My 582 will perform fine, great even
with 65 HP. I know from others that a VW will perform well and that an HKS 700E
will be roughly the same in most respects as my Rotax. There are people out
there flying on a 503 although I have no figures as to performance.
>
> An Aeronca C3 made do with 35 HP and a lousy prop choice. So, I'm curious with
it's big wing, efficient airfoil and light weight, how few ponies could a kitfox
flier make do with? We don't have climb at 1500 FPM, 30% of that will do
with the runways many of of us use. Some of the early Cubs only had 40 HP.
Dave, First off a rotax 582 is rated at 64 HP with a stock pipe. Kitfox pipe it
not stock OEM - it is modified and has resulted in about a 5 hp loss so you will
be at about 60 hp for round numbers. If you search back i did some testing
on this and modified the exhaust to find out for sure .
My you tube videos document some of this http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=kitfoxflyer
The HKS maybe close to 582 but not faster.
VW direct drive no hope in faster than a 582 for take off ,but might be in cruise
if all set up right . VW need a reduction drive to optimize it better.
If you got a 582 I would stick with that. Mine has 380 hours on it since last June
2006 and my thrid engine in this Kitfox. When will it stop> ? Everyone says
they not dependable.
You last question -- well you could fly on likely a 25 HP engine and that would depend on your Kitfox weight. If you look at John Knapps Avid here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjDSatUSoCY it gets off REAL QUICK, I think a 583 90 HP and a 380 lb plane on floats does it . I would guess your Kitfox Iv will be 500 to 550 lbs as it simular to mine ?
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157151#157151
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| Subject: | Re: Pros' & Cons' 912UL vs 912ULS |
I have a model 4 Speedster. When I bought it, it had a 912 UL. I
installed a 912 ULS a couple of years later.
The 912 ULS cut my takeoff run by about 100 ft.
My rate of climb increased by about 400 Ft per minute.
The cruise speed is about the same at 105 mph.
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt.
Speedster
912 ULS
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale H
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:25 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Pros' & Cons' 912UL vs 912ULS
Speaking of the Rotax 912........... I have a newby question. I
don't own a Kitfox yet, and I'm still considering buying a flying one.
I'm thinking about a model IV with a 912.
What are the Pro's & Con's of the 912UL vs the 912ULS? Of course the
obvious, the 912ULS has 20 more hp. Are there any down sides to having
the 912ULS? Is it a HUGE performace difference between them? I have
run across more 80hp models than 100hp models forsale.
Thanks,
Dale Herseth
Mesa, Az
----- Original Message -----
From: Rexster
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:58 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: LOW power limits
Interesting question Dave. I tend to think with you on this subject.
I have a Model 3 right now and enjoy being able to use unleaded regular
gas with my 80 horse 912 UL (warp drive). I am very happy with the
performance of the plane and cruise between 100 and 105 mph (GPS).
My next plane will be a Model 7 and I'm wondering if I can still get
away with those 80 horses and regular fuel. My current plane weighs 660
pounds and I expect that a Model seven will be about 100 pounds more.
I'm wondering if an in-flight adjustable prop would make up for those
extra 100 pounds. Is anybody running a Model 7 with the 912 UL?
Rex Phelps 1050
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| Subject: | Re: Pros' & Cons' 912UL vs 912ULS |
Dale,
The big difference to ME is the fuel. The 80 horse burns unleaded regu
lar while the 100 needs premium. Right now, they're about twenty cents p
er gallon difference. I'm concerned about a few years from now.
I also hear from a Rotax repair guy that the S is prone to more problems
from the added power. He claims that the UL is smoother, shakes less wh
en starting and stopping and is more "relaxed" when running. But, to eac
h his own, and I'm guessing that others will have different opinions. I
have 650 hours on my UL and like it a lot. I've never felt the "need" fo
r more power with my Model 3. My plane weighs 660 empty. I'm interested
if I'd still be happy with 80 HP in a Model 7. I've got some research to
do. Good luck with your search.
Rex Phelps in Michigan / Warp Drive
-- "Dale H" <dh5465@cox.net> wrote:
Speaking of the Rotax 912........... I have a newby question. I don't
own a Kitfox yet, and I'm still considering buying a flying one. I'm th
inking about a model IV with a 912. What are the Pro's & Con's of the 91
2UL vs the 912ULS? Of course the obvious, the 912ULS has 20 more hp. A
re there any down sides to having the 912ULS? Is it a HUGE performace d
ifference between them? I have run across more 80hp models than 100hp
models forsale. Thanks,Dale HersethMesa, Az ----- Original Message ---
-- From: Rexster To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January
09, 2008 4:58 PMSubject: Kitfox-List: LOW power limits
Interesting question Dave. I tend to think with you on this subject. I h
ave a Model 3 right now and enjoy being able to use unleaded regular gas
with my 80 horse 912 UL (warp drive). I am very happy with the performa
nce of the plane and cruise between 100 and 105 mph (GPS).
My next plane will be a Model 7 and I'm wondering if I can still get awa
y with those 80 horses and regular fuel. My current plane weighs 660 po
unds and I expect that a Model seven will be about 100 pounds more. I'm
wondering if an in-flight adjustable prop would make up for those extra
100 pounds. Is anybody running a Model 7 with the 912 UL?
Rex Phelps 1050
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| Subject: | Polybrush help!!! |
MEK is such a robust solvent I think it's the last thing I would use as a tack
rag. I wouldn't want to take the chance on dissolving the polybrush. I only
have ever used a tack rag with the slightest amount of varnish, mostly dry, in
it.
Noel
Mod III-A getting 4 stroke 912 power
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer@idealwifi.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Polybrush help!!!
I doubt very much that it's the temp or humidity causing your problem. Poly fibre
products spray very well in low temps. Something else is happening there.
I'd call one of the Polyfiber reps and pose the question to them. There is
probably an answer easily available. If you get one, please share it with us.
Deke
S5, Northeast MI
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 00:30:22 -0800, "wadegreaves" <reinagreaves@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I am lost!
>
> I got my spray equipment up to par with a filter/water trap. Have plenty
> of line and a good HVLP gun. Thinned my polybrush out with 65-75 (3:1).
> Gun sprays nice and smooth. I clean the surface with MEK to ensure there
> is no contaminants....
>
> Then I spray the fabric and it literally looks like water on a well sealed
> deck. Doesn't want to settle smoothly. It will bead up into blobs here
> and there.
>
> Could this be due to low air temperature? That's the only think I can
> think of. It is cold here in Oregon right now...in the 30s. I am heating
> my hangar up to probably about 50 or so. The minds at the field seem to
> think that low temps and spraying polybrush is fine.
> I bought a JP-4 powered forced air heater to get my hangar toasty and am
> hoping that the warmer air will eliminate this problem.
> Anyone else heard of or observed this odd behavior? (not mine...the
> polybrush's)
>
> Any advice would be great....losing it over here! [Evil or Very Mad]
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156727#156727
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tank Fuel Finger Strainers |
On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:39 PM, Tom Jones wrote:
> I measured this spot on the pin to be .010 (one ten-thousandths) of
> an inch or .254 mm.
Thanks, Tom. That's finer that I thought.
Regarding the 'ten thousandth vs. one ten thousandth' it is easy to
mistake. Ask a friend what is greater, zero point twelve or zero point
six. Many will answer; the former.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Greetings... |
On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:48 PM, Ron Zeppin wrote:
> My son is 13 and is very much like me in enjoying building things. I
> think it'll make a great father-son project
Indeed, Ron. When our son was 13, we were flying RC gliders together.
That is; I was mostly building them and our son was flying them. That
was 20 years ago so, if I had started on a Kitfox at that time ... hum,
yes, I would be finished by now! :-)
> On another note, how's the weather in Norway? Never been out of the
> US... ;)
Actually, I am Belgian but I have been living in Norway for 30 years.
My Belgian family also asks me how it is to live in the cold Norwegian
winter. Well, here, near the coast around Oslo, it never gets that cold
but ... it is very dark! We are at latitude 60 N and that's about the
same as Anchorage, Alaska. Right now, we have only six hours of
daylight. In the north of Norway, they'll still have to wait one month
before they can see the sun at all.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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