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1. 03:02 AM - Re: engine selection (Michel Verheughe)
2. 04:46 AM - Re: Re: Simply the best engines to use (JC Propeller Design)
3. 06:05 AM - Re: Battery Location (Noel Loveys)
4. 06:08 AM - Re: Build time? (jlfernan)
5. 06:14 AM - Re: Re: Battery Location (Noel Loveys)
6. 06:34 AM - Static port WAS: Battery Location (Michel Verheughe)
7. 06:41 AM - Re: Battery Location (Noel Loveys)
8. 07:16 AM - Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen (FlyboyTR)
9. 07:24 AM - Re: Build time? (Tom Jones)
10. 07:28 AM - Re: Battery Location (84KF)
11. 07:33 AM - Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen (Tom Jones)
12. 07:45 AM - Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen (FlyboyTR)
13. 08:09 AM - Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen (n85ae)
14. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: Build time? (Guy Buchanan)
15. 08:38 AM - windscreen (Jim Hakes)
16. 09:19 AM - Re: Build time? (Fred Shiple)
17. 10:07 AM - Re: Battery Location (Lynn Matteson)
18. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: Battery Location (patrick reilly)
19. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen (Lynn Matteson)
20. 10:32 AM - Re: windscreen (Lynn Matteson)
21. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: Build time? (Clint Bazzill)
22. 11:18 AM - Re: windscreen (dave)
23. 11:44 AM - Re: windscreen (floran higgins)
24. 01:22 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (Noel Loveys)
25. 02:15 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (84KF)
26. 02:58 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (patrick reilly)
27. 03:22 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (84KF)
28. 03:26 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (akflyer)
29. 04:01 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (dave)
30. 04:08 PM - Re: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (84KF)
31. 04:17 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (akflyer)
32. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (Lynn Matteson)
33. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (Lynn Matteson)
34. 05:09 PM - Re: Battery Location (fox5flyer)
35. 05:10 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (akflyer)
36. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: Build time? (84KF)
37. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: Build time? (84KF)
38. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: Build time? (84KF)
39. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: Battery Location (Noel Loveys)
40. 05:43 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (Noel Loveys)
41. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (Noel Loveys)
42. 06:36 PM - Kitfox XL (Pete Christensen)
43. 08:54 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (Guy Buchanan)
44. 09:04 PM - Re: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (shinco)
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| Subject: | engine selection |
> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
> Hey Michel, we ought to figure out the distances
> we've flown these birds. : )
Gosh, I dare not, Lynn. From what I read on this forum, our pseudo engines only
look good when on the ground.
(... not trolling a flame, guys! Just kidding, just kidding!)
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Simply the best engines to use |
http://www.takeoff-ul.de/
http://www.geocities.com/redrive_psru/infobmw.doc
http://www.gyroplane.ru/ good info
http://www.online-translator.com/url/tran_url.asp?lang=en&direction=re&template=General&transliterate=on&autotranslate=on&url=http://www.gyroplane.ru/bmw.htm
Engine for sale half way down the page www.delta-mike.pair.com/verkauf2.htm
www.spang-air.de/.../hauptteil_bmw_engine.html the takeoff prototype?
home.mindspring.com/~jabrooks/
Jan
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From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:58 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Simply the best engines to use
>
> Jan,
>
> Do you have a web site for the 98 hp? sounds like something I would be
> interested in.
>
> Thanks
>
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> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> 95% complete
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Battery Location |
No... I was referring to the long tube you have properly supported. I can
still appreciate why you friend wanted the "T" supported. That area of the
inside of the fuselage could be a lower pressure area. That would make your
Alt read too high and your ASI read too low. That and it's just not right
to have anything flopping around in the plane.
My set up is very primitive. It consists of a large static port just
forward of the left door. There is no balancing port on the other side and
to be honest I would be hard put to choose a worse location for a static
port. When I run the engine up for the first few seconds the ASI,VSI and
Alt go crazy. It all straightens itself out before I get up on step though.
For that reason I have taken to flying with the static port open to the
cabin. It's a lot more consistent but I have noticed slight (very slight)
differences in the static instruments when I open the door in flight.
Any chance the next time you are poking around in your fuse that you could
take some pictures of your static installation. I have been considering
installing a better installation.
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery Location
Huh? Are we talking about the same tube here, Noel? I was talking
about the 3/16" or 1/4" nylon tube that carries the static pressure.
In my case I had the two side static port tubes going into a tee,
and from there forward about 12" to a tie wrap around a fuselage
cross member. From there forward, the tubing was supported every 12"
or so with tie wraps done in the approved way...with standoffs. My
tech advisor wanted a bracket to support the tubes at the "tee." The
side tubes curved upwardly to the tee, thus there was some vibration
absorption going on via the curved tubing...nylon tubing. Are you
suggesting this nylon tubing is gonna foul my rudder cables or
elevator tube?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
On Jan 15, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> With the tube going forward it can exert a considerable stress on
> the cross
> tube. That in turn coulddamage your exterior finish. If the long
> tube ever
> broke or came free it could possibly foul your rudder cables or
> elevator
> tube.... Mr. Murphy is alive and well let's not tempt him :-)
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:25 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery Location
>
>
> Yes I did, Pat. That was one of the few things that my tech advisor
> caught me on...I didn't have a support for the "teed" junction, and I
> had to get in there from an inspection hole in the bottom of the
> fuse, and install one...what a bear! The tubing is so stiff that it
> would likely hold itself in place, but he insisted on it. Perhaps
> vibration over time could break the tubes, what do I know?
> I couldn't find the drawing of the exact placement in my manual, but
> I measured my plane and the dimensions are: 5 and 1/8 inches from
> the bottom of the lower longeron, and 44 inches forward from the
> center of the cross tube back near the tailwheel....I think it's the
> only crosstube that is near there that protrudes through the fabric.
> This does place the port just in front of the lift handle, but quite
> low on the side. Is that where yours is?
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/460+ hrs
>
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:16 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
>
>> Lynn, THE STATIC PORT WAS ON THE SIDE OF THE FUSALAGE JUST IN FRONT
>> OF THE GRAB HANDLE. Looks like I hit the caps lock. Did you join
>> the 2 ports, right side and left side with a tee? Pat
>>
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What I'm trying to determine is difficulty. While Vans builds a decent kit, you
spend a lot of time scratching your head trying to figure things out. The plans
are a little weak. Most of it something to the effect of
"assemble aileron". While I realize building something like an airplane is never
simple, I got tired of have to fit almost every part instead of just putting
things together. Solid rivets are great when the go in right. When they don't,
it can be very frustrating to fix them. I don't really know how to explain
my frustration. When building an aluminum plane, you spend lots of hours in
prep. Then parts are put on, drilled, remove, deburred, dimpled, riveted, put
back on, removed again for something else and on and on. You can spend hours
and feel like very little progress was made. Kitfoxe's website says their planes
can be built with common tools. I hope that means that while it may be time
consuming, it's not difficult. I can be paranoid, especially when it comes
to something my life will depend on. Vans says their kits are "over engineered",
but when they give you a measurement of say 17 & 11/64", I tend to try to
be that precise. When I'm not, I worry and end up doing it over. When you compare
builders lists like Kitfox to Vans, you see most of the posting on Vans
list is people having problems figuring things out or fixing mistakes they made.
Again I'm having trouble explaining my concerns. I'm selling my RV-9A and
thinking of buying a Series 7, but I don't want to end up where I'm at now.
I just need to know how difficult is a Kitfox kit? My girlfriend is tired of hearing
me curse in the garage because I'm frustrated over something I'm trying
to do.
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Jorge Fernandez
N214JL Reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location |
Because every plane is different... not to mention the weights of the
batteries that can be used, I still say the best thing to do is weigh the
plane and calculate a W&B. Then you will know for sure where the battery
should go. Weighing the plane before everything is torqued down permanently
would be a good idea because the further back the battery goes the more
heavy copper cable will be needed and the more complex the installation.
I like to keep battery cables short. There is less chance for getting the
cable pinched or shorted. Less voltage drop and less weight.
Noel Loveys
AME Intern, RPP
Kitfox III-A, 582,B box
Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:51 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
> At 04:33 PM 1/14/2008, you wrote:
> Quote:
> My question is, should I move the battery to the back of the firewall,
where I see some other 582 engine battery installations?
>
> You already know the right way. But I'll add that my 582/IV has the
battery just behind the firewall and its CG is "too far" aft, which means I
can't run 40 pounds in my baggage compartment at full gross without going
aft of the rear CG limit.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
Well, according to my manual for my Kitfox IV 1050 it states behind the seat
is where battery goes with the 582 and the dash fuel tank.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Static port WAS: Battery Location |
On Jan 16, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> That area of the inside of the fuselage could be a lower pressure
> area. That would make your Alt read too high and your ASI read too
> low.
If there is a greater pressure difference between the pitot tube and
the static port, wouldn't that make the ASI read too high, Noel?
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Battery Location |
Glad to see lots of people here use AC43... It's the basis on which good
aircraft maintenance is built. I even have downloaded the whole of AC 43 to
my PDA for quick reference when working on planes.
There is a word of caution though.... AC43 is the rule but there are
exceptions that make the rules. Those exceptions are all well written in
the aircraft manuals. In our cases we essentially write the manuals when we
build the planes. There may be cases where things are done contrary to
convention Fir good reason. It's good to be aware such conditions exist.
If there was one thing in AC43 I would suggest everyone read and practice it
is lock wiring (Safe tying). It is not difficult to learn to do well and
nothing finishes a job off like a nice clean, even and taught job of lock
wiring. Once you get good at it you will be using wire everywhere to do
things you never considered before, both on the plane and around the house.
We are lucky we don't have to contend with the paperwork the GA crowd has to
contend with. A few years ago there was an essay question on the Transport
Canada AME final examination on the procedure to adjust the flaps of a BPY
or Catalina water bomber. The incorrect answer is: There is no flaps on a
Catalina. (True but not correct) The correct answer is: The Maintenance
manual for the Catalina does not describe an approved method to adjust
flaps.
Noel Loveys
AME Intern, RPP
Kitfox III-A, 582,B box
Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 84KF
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery Location
And this link for the Static installation link...
AC 43.13 1B,
Chapter 12
SECTION 4. PITOT/STATIC SYSTEM
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/
99c827db9baac81b86256b4500596c4e/$FILE/Chapter%2012-13.pdf
Hey. it's late. Forgive me.
I'm trying not to mention anything regarding LSA issues.
(Opps.., I did it again!!)
Steve Benesh
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| Subject: | Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen |
OK...The Autopilot arrived this past Monday. Looks good and was very well packaged
for shipping. The "manual" has a lot of information...but absolutely no
detail on how the parts/brackets, push tubes, etc...go together. Fortunately
it's not rocket science! After a few minutes of studying the various parts it
was all pretty much straight forward (although a nice diagram would have been
comforting).
The template for the panel cutout is not to scale. I copied it, pasted it to Word
and then enlarged it till the scale was correct. The outside dimensions of
the ADI unit are slightly larger than the Turn/Bank indicator it is replacing.
I have six primary switches under this instrument. I had to elongate the
switch/panel holes (downward) so the ADI unit would fit. Now Ive got to figure
out how to cover those ugly gaps above the switch mounting nuts!
I have started on the wiring harness. I ordered the wire from Stein Air as mentioned
in an earlier post. Stein Air will build the harness for you for around
$200. It is possible that may be a real bargain by the time I am finished with
the soldering, fitting, etc.
In any caseStill a work in progress. Finding a mounting location for the servos
is turning out to be a challenge! Hopefully today I will be able to get to
that point. I will be taking pictures of the installation, etc and will report
as I move forward.
Travis :D
--------
Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen
N-789DF
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> Kitfox's website says their planes can be built with common tools. I hope that
means that while it may be time consuming, it's not difficult.
Jorge, My neighbor across the street is building an RV-9. I made a joke to him
that " Compared to his airplane mine is a tinkertoy". An exaggeration for sure
but gives you some perspective.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location |
> "AC43 is the rule but there are exceptions that make the rules. Those
> exceptions are all well written in the aircraft manuals."
>
Exactly right.
A certificated aircraft's manual contains "Approved Data",
AC 43.13-1b, 2a contains "Acceptable Data", often used and referenced when
seeking approval from the FAA for repairs and modifications to certificated
aircraft when specific "Approved Data" is unavailable.
All of it can, and should, be applied to Experimental Amateur-Built when in
doubt.
Steve Benesh
A&P, IA
5-912UL
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| Subject: | Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen |
> I had to elongate the switch/panel holes (downward) so the ADI unit would fit.
Now Ive got to figure out how to cover those ugly gaps above the switch mounting
nuts!
Travis, when I cut the hole in my panel for the altimeter I made the notch for
the adjustment knob on the wrong side. I filled it with hysol mixed with lots
of flox. Cannot see the repair when painted and it is hard as a rock.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen |
Tom,
Thanks for that tidbit of info! I am not familiar with those products...but will
do a search and educate myself. Thanks again!
Travis :)
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Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen
N-789DF
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| Subject: | Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen |
First time you try flying your Kitfox, and pee'ing into a container at the
same time you'll be REALLY happy you have the autopilot. :)
Regards,
Jeff
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At 06:06 AM 1/16/2008, you wrote:
>I'm selling my RV-9A and thinking of buying a Series 7, but I don't
>want to end up where I'm at now. I just need to know how difficult
>is a Kitfox kit? My girlfriend is tired of hearing me curse in the
>garage because I'm frustrated over something I'm trying to do.
I have a strong suspicion you'll end up where you're at now.
However not having built one of the new planes with their improved
plans I can't speak directly to them. Unfortunately this list doesn't
have very many new builders either. I suggest you make contact with
John McBean at Kitfox LLC, (www.kitfoxaircraftllc.com) and try to get
a list of recent builder references from him. They will be able to
best tell you about constructing a 7 or newer.
My IV was a kit in the sense that it had some of the raw
materials provided with general outline of assembly. ("The engine
goes on the front.") You got to design the fuel, electrical,
avionics, hydraulic systems and interior appointments yourself. You
also got to design nearly everything forward of the firewall.
(Excluding the engine mount.) Almost every part was custom fit with
some guidelines on what tolerances to hold. How long it took, and how
difficult it was was highly dependent on what you decided to build.
My aircraft was built very simply, and was therefore easier than it
could have been. Many of the new 7's I've seen have full IFR glass
cockpits and full interiors. Some are now even installing autopilots!
The better ones vary widely from the plans, with improved custom
cowls, cooling systems, and interiors.
It sounds to me like you may be building to fly, and are not
really that interested in the building process. There are a couple of
possible alternatives to building. One is to employ someone to "help"
you build it. There are several professionals around the country who
do this. The better alternative is to simply buy a flying plane.
Though Van's aircraft are expensive to buy, Kitfoxes are not. You
might seriously consider buying one outright now, because prices are
seriously low.
Good luck!
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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I am replacing by windscreen on my Model IV. I have done this once
before using the sheet of polycarbonate. Currently, Skystar only
handles the preformed windscreens. If I go with the preformed
windscreen, is there any problem with it fitting correctly.
If anyone has done this I would appreciate your advice.
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Jorge,
I'm currantly building an RV7 and finished a S6/912S 4years ago. The engine/prop
is installed on the RV7 with the cowling. I'm presently installing the Garmin
panel with a builder assist program in PA, so I'm fairly well along in the
building process Started the empannage with the assist program one year ago (Nov).
Completed the airframe/wings in October in Toledo (nice to be retired!)
and moved the plane to Rostraver Pa to complete it.
The Series 6 instructions are very complete compared to Van's. Each 1-3 page
section has drawings and text that end up with an installed subassembly. It was
quite straight-forward
for this inexperienced builder to perform. Van's instructions presume far more
experience than I had when I started the 'Fox. It would have been difficult
for me to complete the RV7 quick-build fuselage and wings 6 years ago. It was
doable after being introduced to building thru the Kitfox approach.
You need to plan your own fire-wall forward, but if you get the Kitfox kit for
the engines they support, the instructions are very complete. There was also
enough guidance for the other systems in the instruction manual that an RV builder
should have no trouble. A local EAA member taught me fabric covering and
it's pretty easy to master.
Kitfox by way of John McBean has supurb builder support. There are enough local
RV builders that I did not need to use Van's support.
Booth the RV and the Kitfox are excellent and fun planes to build and fly. They
just take a somewhat different approach to the building instruction process
with the RV making more assumptions regarding builder experience.
Fred Shiple
Toledo OH
S6/912S/amphibs
jlfernan <jlfernan@bellsouth.net> wrote:
What I'm trying to determine is difficulty. While Vans builds a decent kit, you
spend a lot of time scratching your head trying to figure things out. The plans
are a little weak. Most of it something to the effect of
"assemble aileron". While I realize building something like an airplane is never
simple, I got tired of have to fit almost every part instead of just putting
things together. Solid rivets are great when the go in right. When they don't,
it can be very frustrating to fix them. I don't really know how to explain my
frustration. When building an aluminum plane, you spend lots of hours in prep.
Then parts are put on, drilled, remove, deburred, dimpled, riveted, put back
on, removed again for something else and on and on. You can spend hours and
feel like very little progress was made. Kitfoxe's website says their planes can
be built with common tools. I hope that means that while it may be time consuming,
it's not difficult. I can be paranoid, especially when it comes to something
my life will depend on. Vans says their kits are "over engineered", but
when they give you a measurement of say 17 & 11/64", I tend to try to be that
precise. When I'm not, I worry and end up !
doing it over. When you compare builders lists like Kitfox to Vans, you see most
of the posting on Vans list is people having problems figuring things out or
fixing mistakes they made. Again I'm having trouble explaining my concerns. I'm
selling my RV-9A and thinking of buying a Series 7, but I don't want to end
up where I'm at now. I just need to know how difficult is a Kitfox kit? My girlfriend
is tired of hearing me curse in the garage because I'm frustrated over
something I'm trying to do.
--------
Jorge Fernandez
N214JL Reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location |
I'll try to attach the pics that I had in my files, but even though I
reduce then as Matronics asks, I always get a "rejection
letter"...and then they show up anyway. If they don't show up, I'll
send the three pics to you, Noel.
On Jan 16, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> Any chance the next time you are poking around in your fuse that
> you could take some pictures of your static installation. I have
> been considering installing a better installation.
>
>
This is before I had installed the right-hand side tubing.
This is up through the inspection hole opening, with temporary stick
holding support in place while adhesive hardens. It's hard to not
make a mess with the adhesive when you're working through the hole.
Another shot of temporary stick. I had to install this support brace
with one hand through insp. hole. The support has many holes drilled
through it to allow the adhesive to ooze through and form a "rivet"
of sorts. It also jams between the fuse tubing and the antenna plate,
so there is mechanical, as well as adhesive attachment. Getting a
machine screw into the (eventual) adel clamp was a joy, too!
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location |
Noel, My 912 engine mount came off of a model 3. I don't know if it will fi
t your plane. I'm sure someone out there knows. I also have the grommet doo
r that goes in the middle of the firewall. Shipping to Newfoundland must be
expensive from almost anywhere. Pat Reilly
From: noelloveys@yahoo.caTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L
ist: Re: Battery LocationDate: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:51:50 -0330
I=92m in Newfoundland, Canada... As close as you can get to Europe on this
continent without doing a lot of swimming. J
I=92m going to hold on to the 582 until I get the 912 flying then it=92s up
for sale, lock stock and barrel.
What model Kitfox is your mount made to fit? That=92s the big part I need
now. My bolt pattern should be the same as the model II.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reillySent: Tuesday, January 15, 200
8 3:05 PMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery
Location
Noel, Sorry, no, I do not have the 912 exhaust. I got this plane without th
e engine. I have the complete 912 engine mount and the firewall grommet doo
r, however. What are you doing with your 582 firewall forward? Where are yo
u located? Pat
From: noelloveys@yahoo.caTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L
ist: Re: Battery LocationDate: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:42:20 -0330
Pat
I=92m going the other way installing a 912 where a 582 now lives. I=92m co
nsidering moving my header tank, almost 14 lb full, behind the seat. Then p
utting the oil tank where the header is now, behind the instrument panel.
I have to see if it will be easily removable form that location for cleanin
g. BTW you don=92t happen to have an exhaust??
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reillySent: Tuesday, January 15, 200
8 2:21 PMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery
Location
Tom, Thanks for the advice. I have removed the battery. I am 90% sure it wi
ll have to come forward with the lighter engine. But, I will wait to reposi
tion it with the new weight and balance. Pat Reilly> Subject: Kitfox-List
: Re: Battery Location> From: nahsikhs@elltel.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 1
8:44:17 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-List message pos
ted by: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>> > > > My question is, should I m
ove the battery to the back of the firewall, where I see some other 582 eng
ine battery installations? > > > Pat, I would leave the battery where it is
until the rebuild is complete enough to do a close weight and balance. The
n you can move the battery forward if needed and you will be able to know h
ow far. It will probably be easier to remove the existing cables at that ti
me than to reinstall them if you need the CG to move back.> > --------> Tom
Jones> Classic IV, Phase one> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp> Ellensbur
g, WA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/
viewtopic.php?p=158194#158194> > > > > > > &=========
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| Subject: | Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen |
Been there, done that, w/no autopilot. Later, told my flight
instructor about the plane suddenly going nose-down, and he
(laughingly) said "The CG changed that much?" (I had bumped the stick
forward) Entry in logbook states "First airborne pitstop"
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
do not archive
On Jan 16, 2008, at 11:06 AM, n85ae wrote:
>
> First time you try flying your Kitfox, and pee'ing into a container
> at the
> same time you'll be REALLY happy you have the autopilot. :)
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158549#158549
>
>
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I installed the LP Aeroplastics pre-formed windshield/skylight. (This
was before John and Debra took over the reins at Kitfox Aircraft,
LLC) I had no problem, as the 'screen comes (mine anyway) oversize
side-to-side, and front-to-back. Mark well, and cut with a Dremel
abrasive disc. Smooth and round ALL edges, and use the proper drill
for the screw holes....30% oversize as I recall. I used anchor nuts
to secure to the fuselage all around.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
On Jan 16, 2008, at 11:37 AM, Jim Hakes wrote:
> I am replacing by windscreen on my Model IV. I have done this
> once before using the sheet of polycarbonate. Currently, Skystar
> only handles the preformed windscreens. If I go with the
> preformed windscreen, is there any problem with it fitting correctly.
> If anyone has done this I would appreciate your advice.
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-
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I second that. It took me over 2300 hours to build my Model IV-1200. I bu
ilt an excel spread sheet and each time that work was peformed I entered ti
me and work accomplished. This included any one that helped me. That inclu
ded time when having a beer or glass of wine reading the manual or trying
to. My aircraft is very close to full IFR and didn't get much help. The m
anual was just that a manual. Pictures were used were mostly not very good
, although the hand drawings were fine. My plane weighed in at 634 lbs and
I had hoped for less then 635, how lucky can you get. It now weighs 675 l
bs, wouldn't take anything off that was put on. 1300 hours on airframe, 90
0 plus hours on 912ULS.
Clint
Half Moon Bay, Calif
> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:20:36 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Fro
m: bnn@nethere.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Build time?> > --> Kitfox
-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>> > At 06:06 AM 1/16
/2008, you wrote:> >I'm selling my RV-9A and thinking of buying a Series 7,
but I don't > >want to end up where I'm at now. I just need to know how di
fficult > >is a Kitfox kit? My girlfriend is tired of hearing me curse in t
he > >garage because I'm frustrated over something I'm trying to do.> > I h
ave a strong suspicion you'll end up where you're at now. > However not hav
ing built one of the new planes with their improved > plans I can't speak d
irectly to them. Unfortunately this list doesn't > have very many new build
ers either. I suggest you make contact with > John McBean at Kitfox LLC, (w
ww.kitfoxaircraftllc.com) and try to get > a list of recent builder referen
ces from him. They will be able to > best tell you about constructing a 7 o
r newer.> My IV was a kit in the sense that it had some of the raw > materi
als provided with general outline of assembly. ("The engine > goes on the f
ront.") You got to design the fuel, electrical, > avionics, hydraulic syste
ms and interior appointments yourself. You > also got to design nearly ever
ything forward of the firewall. > (Excluding the engine mount.) Almost ever
y part was custom fit with > some guidelines on what tolerances to hold. Ho
w long it took, and how > difficult it was was highly dependent on what you
decided to build. > My aircraft was built very simply, and was therefore e
asier than it > could have been. Many of the new 7's I've seen have full IF
R glass > cockpits and full interiors. Some are now even installing autopil
ots! > The better ones vary widely from the plans, with improved custom > c
owls, cooling systems, and interiors.> It sounds to me like you may be buil
ding to fly, and are not > really that interested in the building process.
There are a couple of > possible alternatives to building. One is to employ
someone to "help" > you build it. There are several professionals around t
he country who > do this. The better alternative is to simply buy a flying
plane. > Though Van's aircraft are expensive to buy, Kitfoxes are not. You
> might seriously consider buying one outright now, because prices are > se
riously low.> > Good luck!> > > Guy Buchanan> San Diego, CA> K-IV 1200 / 58
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You can buy a sheet or 1/2 sheet of Lexan and use that .
pretty simple, just smooth the edges on on all edges to stop crack propagation.
.060 .090 or .125 you can use.
I full sheet 4 x 8 ' will run under 100$ depending on thickness you use.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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I installed the preformed winshield from Kitfox on my Speedster.
It fit very well, only required a small bit of triming along the door
posts.
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt.
Speedster
912 ULS
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Hakes
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:37 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: windscreen
I am replacing by windscreen on my Model IV. I have done this once
before using the sheet of polycarbonate. Currently, Skystar only
handles the preformed windscreens. If I go with the preformed
windscreen, is there any problem with it fitting correctly.
If anyone has done this I would appreciate your advice.
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| Subject: | Static port WAS: Battery Location |
Yes... if there is a greater pressure difference. Pitot pressure is
positive and a positive pressure on the static port will display a lower
airspeed. A lower pressure on the static port will make the ASI read too
high ( not good ) and the Altimeter read too high, also not too good. I may
have got my jords wumbled.
BTW. For the benefit of others reading this I was reading a passage( just
like the bible ) in AC 43 today that reminded me to never allow negative
pressure differential in the pitot line of an ASI ( Negative speed )
When I was in school, the only thing we would hook up to a pitot static
system was a Barfield tester or a bottle of nitrogen used to clean out and
dry the lines when they were disconnected from the instruments.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:01 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Static port WAS: Battery Location
On Jan 16, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> That area of the inside of the fuselage could be a lower pressure
> area. That would make your Alt read too high and your ASI read too
> low.
If there is a greater pressure difference between the pitot tube and
the static port, wouldn't that make the ASI read too high, Noel?
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location |
What I haven't seen so far is any mention of static drains or alternate
static source for use in case moisture collects, and\or freezes in the line
itself.
Just thinking out loud here..
...
btw...except for the alt encoder being plumbed into the altimeter, all my
instruments static openings are just open, to cabin pressure. No big deal,
no major errors.
Steve
84KF
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| Subject: | Static port WAS: Battery Location |
Steve, I have wondered all along why in an unpressurized cabin why you need
a static port to the outside? Especially in our type of planes that can't
be and are never sealed worth a damn. Pat Reilly
@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Static port WAS: Battery Location
What I haven't seen so far is any mention of static drains or alternate sta
tic source for use in case moisture collects, and\or freezes in the line it
self.
Just thinking out loud here..
...
btw...except for the alt encoder being plumbed into the altimeter, all my i
nstruments static openings are just open, to cabin pressure. No big deal, n
o major errors.
Steve
84KF
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| Subject: | Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location |
Patrick,
The instruments on my PA-15 vagabond were open (no static lines, ports,
etc.) and it worked fine for what it was. The downside was, when I opened
the sliding side window, a slightly lower pressure was created in the cabin
due to the air rushing by, causing a very slight change in indicated
airspeed, maybe 3-5 mph. I would also get a slight VSI indication change
(just a burp) Altimeter change,i f any, was so slight it's not worth
mentioning.
If one want to get anal about these things then it matteres, but the changes
were so slight that it was a non-issue.
Steve
84KF
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| Subject: | Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location |
Steve, I have wondered all along why in an unpressurized cabin why you need a static
port to the outside? Especially in our type of planes that can't be and
are never sealed worth a damn. Pat Reilly
Speak for your own plane... next time I am dumb enough to try and fly at -25, I
am gonna have the ole lady bust out the duct tape once I get in.. I'll make sure
that bugger is sealed up tighter than a frogs.... ahh orifice.
remember, if they cant find you attractive, they should at least find you handy.
Seriously though, the instruments on my brothers KF are just running off cabin
static and GPS shows the VSI and airspeed to be darn near dead on.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location |
I have a feeling the Dan Denney used to get some chinese ASI s ?
Mine read pretty good up to about 60to 70 then it outpaces it 's self
at 92 mph cruise in gps my ASI will show about 105 to 110 mph .
many times my ASI goes past the 120 or 125 red zone and around to about 20 or
30 mph.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
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http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location |
"....next time I am dumb enough to try and fly at -25, I am gonna have the
ole lady bust out the duct tape once I get in.. I'll make sure that bugger
is sealed up tighter than a frogs"
Leni,
You'll have to send me the part # of your duct tape,
Mine tends become brittle and fall apart below +20F
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location |
nashau duct tape. IT is the only tape to buy. It is the only tape we have found
that holds up to the harsh north slope weather and will stick when cold!..
the bad part is if you want to get out, you will have to be cut out of the plane
cause you are not gonna bust it loose just by pushing on the door. ( I was
only half kidding about having the wife tape me in lol.. )
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location |
I listened to both arguments, and opted for the "finished" look of a
system where all the ports on the instruments were actually connected
to lines, looking like they did something. Call me anal, I guess. If
I was a weight freak, maybe I'da left 'em off.
The argument that sold it for me was opening a vent and having a
gauge go nuts...not very professional.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:23 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
> Steve, I have wondered all along why in an unpressurized cabin why
> you need a static port to the outside? Especially in our type of
> planes that can't be and are never sealed worth a damn. Pat Reilly
>
> Speak for your own plane... next time I am dumb enough to try and
> fly at -25, I am gonna have the ole lady bust out the duct tape
> once I get in.. I'll make sure that bugger is sealed up tighter
> than a frogs.... ahh orifice.
>
> remember, if they cant find you attractive, they should at least
> find you handy.
>
> Seriously though, the instruments on my brothers KF are just
> running off cabin static and GPS shows the VSI and airspeed to be
> darn near dead on.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> 95% complete
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158651#158651
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location |
Ever try Gorilla Duct Tape? That stuff is tenacious. It's hard to
even get it off the roll. I've used Performance Automotive's "racer's
tape" available in colors. I don't know the actual name of the tape.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
do not archive
On Jan 16, 2008, at 7:13 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
> nashau duct tape. IT is the only tape to buy. It is the only tape
> we have found that holds up to the harsh north slope weather and
> will stick when cold!.. the bad part is if you want to get out, you
> will have to be cut out of the plane cause you are not gonna bust
> it loose just by pushing on the door. ( I was only half kidding
> about having the wife tape me in lol.. )
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> 95% complete
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158663#158663
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location |
They came through here just fine Lynn.
Dekester
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery Location
> I'll try to attach the pics that I had in my files, but even though I
> reduce then as Matronics asks, I always get a "rejection
> letter"...and then they show up anyway. If they don't show up, I'll
> send the three pics to you, Noel.
>
> On Jan 16, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>> Any chance the next time you are poking around in your fuse that
>> you could take some pictures of your static installation. I have
>> been considering installing a better installation.
>>
>>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> This is before I had installed the right-hand side tubing.
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> This is up through the inspection hole opening, with temporary stick
> holding support in place while adhesive hardens. It's hard to not
> make a mess with the adhesive when you're working through the hole.
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Another shot of temporary stick. I had to install this support brace
> with one hand through insp. hole. The support has many holes drilled
> through it to allow the adhesive to ooze through and form a "rivet"
> of sorts. It also jams between the fuse tubing and the antenna plate,
> so there is mechanical, as well as adhesive attachment. Getting a
> machine screw into the (eventual) adel clamp was a joy, too!
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| Subject: | Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location |
the gorilla pales in comparison (at least the 2 rolls I tried). I have used the
Nashua for float repairs, boat repairs etc. and it has yet to let me down.
And to keep this on topic, you could use a small piece of the tape, and cover the
static ports for an experiment. The tape should be good for 150 mph.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
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"......employ someone to "help"
you build it. There are several professionals around the country who
do this. "
Anyone contemplating the use of "professional" help should study the
following FAA Advisory Circular.
.AC *20-139*
Commercial Assistance During Construction of Amateur-Built Aircraft
.http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/3209fec2139ccb3f862569af006ab9e9/$FILE/AC20-
139.pdf
Steve Benesh
84KF
A&P, IA
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On Jan 16, 2008 8:19 PM, 84KF <avidfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> "......employ someone to "help"
>
you build it. There are several professionals around the country who
> do this. "
>
> Anyone contemplating the use of "professional" help should study the
> following FAA Advisory Circular.
>
> .AC *20-139*
> Commercial Assistance During Construction of Amateur-Built Aircraft
>
>
> http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/3209fec2139ccb3f862569af006ab9e9/$FILE/AC20-139.pdf
>
Steve Benesh
> 84KF
> A&P, IA
>
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Link fixed (I hope) to:
> >
>
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> > .AC *20-139*
> >
> Commercial Assistance During Construction of Amateur-Built Aircraft
> >
> > http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/3209fec2139ccb3f862569af006ab9e9/$FILE/AC20-139.pdf
> >
> >
>
> Steve Benesh
>
> > 84KF
> > A&P, IA
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location |
My plane registered as a model III-A is buy the serial numbers a model II
which the builder told me he had upgraded to a the same specs as a model
III. I think in order for your mount to fit it would have to come off a
model II.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:36 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
Noel, My 912 engine mount came off of a model 3. I don't know if it will fit
your plane. I'm sure someone out there knows. I also have the grommet door
that goes in the middle of the firewall. Shipping to Newfoundland must be
expensive from almost anywhere. Pat Reilly
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From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
I'm in Newfoundland, Canada... As close as you can get to Europe on this
continent without doing a lot of swimming. J
I'm going to hold on to the 582 until I get the 912 flying then it's up for
sale, lock stock and barrel.
What model Kitfox is your mount made to fit? That's the big part I need
now. My bolt pattern should be the same as the model II.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
Noel, Sorry, no, I do not have the 912 exhaust. I got this plane without the
engine. I have the complete 912 engine mount and the firewall grommet door,
however. What are you doing with your 582 firewall forward? Where are you
located? Pat
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From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
Pat
I'm going the other way installing a 912 where a 582 now lives. I'm
considering moving my header tank, almost 14 lb full, behind the seat. Then
putting the oil tank where the header is now, behind the instrument panel.
I have to see if it will be easily removable form that location for
cleaning. BTW you don't happen to have an exhaust??
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
Tom, Thanks for the advice. I have removed the battery. I am 90% sure it
will have to come forward with the lighter engine. But, I will wait to
reposition it with the new weight and balance. Pat Reilly
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location
> From: nahsikhs@elltel.net
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:44:17 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
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> > My question is, should I move the battery to the back of the firewall,
where I see some other 582 engine battery installations?
>
>
> Pat, I would leave the battery where it is until the rebuild is complete
enough to do a close weight and balance. Then you can move the battery
forward if needed and you will be able to know how far. It will probably be
easier to remove the existing cables at that time than to reinstall them if
you need the CG to move back.
>
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> Tom Jones
> Classic IV, Phase one
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Static port WAS: Battery Location |
Until you open the door... then the effect is minimal but noticible.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 84KF
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Static port WAS: Battery Location
What I haven't seen so far is any mention of static drains or alternate
static source for use in case moisture collects, and\or freezes in the line
itself.
Just thinking out loud here..
...
btw...except for the alt encoder being plumbed into the altimeter, all my
instruments static openings are just open, to cabin pressure. No big deal,
no major errors.
Steve
84KF
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| Subject: | Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location |
Use speed tape... it's a super sticky aluminium foil. Great to have in the
box for quick repairs of perforated wings etc. Only problem is getting the
stuff off!
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 84KF
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location
"....next time I am dumb enough to try and fly at -25, I am gonna have the
ole lady bust out the duct tape once I get in.. I'll make sure that bugger
is sealed up tighter than a frogs"
Leni,
You'll have to send me the part # of your duct tape,
Mine tends become brittle and fall apart below +20F
Steve
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I have a brochure for a Kitfox XL kit which states it has a gross weight
of 950. I thought the XL was a IV. It also claims it flys with a
Rotax 503. Is it the same width as a IV?
Pete
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| Subject: | Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location |
At 02:12 PM 1/16/2008, you wrote:
>What I haven't seen so far is any mention of static drains or
>alternate static source for use in case moisture collects, and\or
>freezes in the line itself.
I did a pitot drain because of the dramatic height change. It's just
a loop with a stub at the bottom. Unfortunately I didn't make it very
easy to service. Too impatient. I didn't drain the static because it
is pretty much up-hill from the source to the instrument.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location |
akflyer wrote:
>
> the gorilla pales in comparison (at least the 2 rolls I tried). I have used
the Nashua for float repairs, boat repairs etc. and it has yet to let me down.
>
> And to keep this on topic, you could use a small piece of the tape, and cover
the static ports for an experiment. The tape should be good for 150 mph.
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> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
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Duck tape was invented in WW2,to field repair aircraft so they could be
put back into.service as soon as they could.so I guess if Duck tape was
good on fighter aircraft 300mph.it is good on a Kitfox to.WOW a kitfox
covered with all Duck Tape..it would make thing alot cheaper and
easer..Steve Shinabery 554KF KF2 little 582
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