---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/16/08: 44 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:02 AM - Re: engine selection (Michel Verheughe) 2. 04:46 AM - Re: Re: Simply the best engines to use (JC Propeller Design) 3. 06:05 AM - Re: Battery Location (Noel Loveys) 4. 06:08 AM - Re: Build time? (jlfernan) 5. 06:14 AM - Re: Re: Battery Location (Noel Loveys) 6. 06:34 AM - Static port WAS: Battery Location (Michel Verheughe) 7. 06:41 AM - Re: Battery Location (Noel Loveys) 8. 07:16 AM - Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen (FlyboyTR) 9. 07:24 AM - Re: Build time? (Tom Jones) 10. 07:28 AM - Re: Battery Location (84KF) 11. 07:33 AM - Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen (Tom Jones) 12. 07:45 AM - Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen (FlyboyTR) 13. 08:09 AM - Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen (n85ae) 14. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: Build time? (Guy Buchanan) 15. 08:38 AM - windscreen (Jim Hakes) 16. 09:19 AM - Re: Build time? (Fred Shiple) 17. 10:07 AM - Re: Battery Location (Lynn Matteson) 18. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: Battery Location (patrick reilly) 19. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen (Lynn Matteson) 20. 10:32 AM - Re: windscreen (Lynn Matteson) 21. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: Build time? (Clint Bazzill) 22. 11:18 AM - Re: windscreen (dave) 23. 11:44 AM - Re: windscreen (floran higgins) 24. 01:22 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (Noel Loveys) 25. 02:15 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (84KF) 26. 02:58 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (patrick reilly) 27. 03:22 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (84KF) 28. 03:26 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (akflyer) 29. 04:01 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (dave) 30. 04:08 PM - Re: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (84KF) 31. 04:17 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (akflyer) 32. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (Lynn Matteson) 33. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (Lynn Matteson) 34. 05:09 PM - Re: Battery Location (fox5flyer) 35. 05:10 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (akflyer) 36. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: Build time? (84KF) 37. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: Build time? (84KF) 38. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: Build time? (84KF) 39. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: Battery Location (Noel Loveys) 40. 05:43 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (Noel Loveys) 41. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (Noel Loveys) 42. 06:36 PM - Kitfox XL (Pete Christensen) 43. 08:54 PM - Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (Guy Buchanan) 44. 09:04 PM - Re: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location (shinco) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:01 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: engine selection > From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net] > Hey Michel, we ought to figure out the distances > we've flown these birds. : ) Gosh, I dare not, Lynn. From what I read on this forum, our pseudo engines only look good when on the ground. (... not trolling a flame, guys! Just kidding, just kidding!) Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Do not archive
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:38 AM PST US From: "JC Propeller Design" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Simply the best engines to use http://www.takeoff-ul.de/ http://www.geocities.com/redrive_psru/infobmw.doc http://www.gyroplane.ru/ good info http://www.online-translator.com/url/tran_url.asp?lang=en&direction=re&template=General&transliterate=on&autotranslate=on&url=http://www.gyroplane.ru/bmw.htm Engine for sale half way down the page www.delta-mike.pair.com/verkauf2.htm www.spang-air.de/.../hauptteil_bmw_engine.html the takeoff prototype? home.mindspring.com/~jabrooks/ Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "akflyer" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:58 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Simply the best engines to use > > Jan, > > Do you have a web site for the 98 hp? sounds like something I would be > interested in. > > Thanks > > -------- > DO NOT ARCHIVE > Leonard Perry > Soldotna AK > Avid "C" / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA > Full Lotus 1260 > 95% complete > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158435#158435 > > > __________ NOD32 2794 (20080115) Information __________ > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:17 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Battery Location No... I was referring to the long tube you have properly supported. I can still appreciate why you friend wanted the "T" supported. That area of the inside of the fuselage could be a lower pressure area. That would make your Alt read too high and your ASI read too low. That and it's just not right to have anything flopping around in the plane. My set up is very primitive. It consists of a large static port just forward of the left door. There is no balancing port on the other side and to be honest I would be hard put to choose a worse location for a static port. When I run the engine up for the first few seconds the ASI,VSI and Alt go crazy. It all straightens itself out before I get up on step though. For that reason I have taken to flying with the static port open to the cabin. It's a lot more consistent but I have noticed slight (very slight) differences in the static instruments when I open the door in flight. Any chance the next time you are poking around in your fuse that you could take some pictures of your static installation. I have been considering installing a better installation. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:02 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery Location Huh? Are we talking about the same tube here, Noel? I was talking about the 3/16" or 1/4" nylon tube that carries the static pressure. In my case I had the two side static port tubes going into a tee, and from there forward about 12" to a tie wrap around a fuselage cross member. From there forward, the tubing was supported every 12" or so with tie wraps done in the approved way...with standoffs. My tech advisor wanted a bracket to support the tubes at the "tee." The side tubes curved upwardly to the tee, thus there was some vibration absorption going on via the curved tubing...nylon tubing. Are you suggesting this nylon tubing is gonna foul my rudder cables or elevator tube? Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/460+ hrs On Jan 15, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Noel Loveys wrote: > > With the tube going forward it can exert a considerable stress on > the cross > tube. That in turn coulddamage your exterior finish. If the long > tube ever > broke or came free it could possibly foul your rudder cables or > elevator > tube.... Mr. Murphy is alive and well let's not tempt him :-) > > Noel > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn > Matteson > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:25 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery Location > > > Yes I did, Pat. That was one of the few things that my tech advisor > caught me on...I didn't have a support for the "teed" junction, and I > had to get in there from an inspection hole in the bottom of the > fuse, and install one...what a bear! The tubing is so stiff that it > would likely hold itself in place, but he insisted on it. Perhaps > vibration over time could break the tubes, what do I know? > I couldn't find the drawing of the exact placement in my manual, but > I measured my plane and the dimensions are: 5 and 1/8 inches from > the bottom of the lower longeron, and 44 inches forward from the > center of the cross tube back near the tailwheel....I think it's the > only crosstube that is near there that protrudes through the fabric. > This does place the port just in front of the lift handle, but quite > low on the side. Is that where yours is? > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/460+ hrs > > > > On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:16 PM, patrick reilly wrote: > >> Lynn, THE STATIC PORT WAS ON THE SIDE OF THE FUSALAGE JUST IN FRONT >> OF THE GRAB HANDLE. Looks like I hit the caps lock. Did you join >> the 2 ports, right side and left side with a tee? Pat >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:15 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Build time? From: "jlfernan" What I'm trying to determine is difficulty. While Vans builds a decent kit, you spend a lot of time scratching your head trying to figure things out. The plans are a little weak. Most of it something to the effect of "assemble aileron". While I realize building something like an airplane is never simple, I got tired of have to fit almost every part instead of just putting things together. Solid rivets are great when the go in right. When they don't, it can be very frustrating to fix them. I don't really know how to explain my frustration. When building an aluminum plane, you spend lots of hours in prep. Then parts are put on, drilled, remove, deburred, dimpled, riveted, put back on, removed again for something else and on and on. You can spend hours and feel like very little progress was made. Kitfoxe's website says their planes can be built with common tools. I hope that means that while it may be time consuming, it's not difficult. I can be paranoid, especially when it comes to something my life will depend on. Vans says their kits are "over engineered", but when they give you a measurement of say 17 & 11/64", I tend to try to be that precise. When I'm not, I worry and end up doing it over. When you compare builders lists like Kitfox to Vans, you see most of the posting on Vans list is people having problems figuring things out or fixing mistakes they made. Again I'm having trouble explaining my concerns. I'm selling my RV-9A and thinking of buying a Series 7, but I don't want to end up where I'm at now. I just need to know how difficult is a Kitfox kit? My girlfriend is tired of hearing me curse in the garage because I'm frustrated over something I'm trying to do. -------- Jorge Fernandez N214JL Reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158507#158507 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:32 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location Because every plane is different... not to mention the weights of the batteries that can be used, I still say the best thing to do is weigh the plane and calculate a W&B. Then you will know for sure where the battery should go. Weighing the plane before everything is torqued down permanently would be a good idea because the further back the battery goes the more heavy copper cable will be needed and the more complex the installation. I like to keep battery cables short. There is less chance for getting the cable pinched or shorted. Less voltage drop and less weight. Noel Loveys AME Intern, RPP Kitfox III-A, 582,B box Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:51 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location > At 04:33 PM 1/14/2008, you wrote: > Quote: > My question is, should I move the battery to the back of the firewall, where I see some other 582 engine battery installations? > > You already know the right way. But I'll add that my 582/IV has the battery just behind the firewall and its CG is "too far" aft, which means I can't run 40 pounds in my baggage compartment at full gross without going aft of the rear CG limit. > > > Guy Buchanan Well, according to my manual for my Kitfox IV 1050 it states behind the seat is where battery goes with the 582 and the dash fuel tank. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158466#158466 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:20 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Static port WAS: Battery Location On Jan 16, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Noel Loveys wrote: > That area of the inside of the fuselage could be a lower pressure > area. That would make your Alt read too high and your ASI read too > low. If there is a greater pressure difference between the pitot tube and the static port, wouldn't that make the ASI read too high, Noel? Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:44 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Battery Location Glad to see lots of people here use AC43... It's the basis on which good aircraft maintenance is built. I even have downloaded the whole of AC 43 to my PDA for quick reference when working on planes. There is a word of caution though.... AC43 is the rule but there are exceptions that make the rules. Those exceptions are all well written in the aircraft manuals. In our cases we essentially write the manuals when we build the planes. There may be cases where things are done contrary to convention Fir good reason. It's good to be aware such conditions exist. If there was one thing in AC43 I would suggest everyone read and practice it is lock wiring (Safe tying). It is not difficult to learn to do well and nothing finishes a job off like a nice clean, even and taught job of lock wiring. Once you get good at it you will be using wire everywhere to do things you never considered before, both on the plane and around the house. We are lucky we don't have to contend with the paperwork the GA crowd has to contend with. A few years ago there was an essay question on the Transport Canada AME final examination on the procedure to adjust the flaps of a BPY or Catalina water bomber. The incorrect answer is: There is no flaps on a Catalina. (True but not correct) The correct answer is: The Maintenance manual for the Catalina does not describe an approved method to adjust flaps. Noel Loveys AME Intern, RPP Kitfox III-A, 582,B box Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 84KF Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:18 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery Location And this link for the Static installation link... AC 43.13 1B, Chapter 12 SECTION 4. PITOT/STATIC SYSTEM http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/ 99c827db9baac81b86256b4500596c4e/$FILE/Chapter%2012-13.pdf Hey. it's late. Forgive me. I'm trying not to mention anything regarding LSA issues. (Opps.., I did it again!!) Steve Benesh ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:57 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen From: "FlyboyTR" OK...The Autopilot arrived this past Monday. Looks good and was very well packaged for shipping. The "manual" has a lot of information...but absolutely no detail on how the parts/brackets, push tubes, etc...go together. Fortunately it's not rocket science! After a few minutes of studying the various parts it was all pretty much straight forward (although a nice diagram would have been comforting). The template for the panel cutout is not to scale. I copied it, pasted it to Word and then enlarged it till the scale was correct. The outside dimensions of the ADI unit are slightly larger than the Turn/Bank indicator it is replacing. I have six primary switches under this instrument. I had to elongate the switch/panel holes (downward) so the ADI unit would fit. Now Ive got to figure out how to cover those ugly gaps above the switch mounting nuts! I have started on the wiring harness. I ordered the wire from Stein Air as mentioned in an earlier post. Stein Air will build the harness for you for around $200. It is possible that may be a real bargain by the time I am finished with the soldering, fitting, etc. In any caseStill a work in progress. Finding a mounting location for the servos is turning out to be a challenge! Hopefully today I will be able to get to that point. I will be taking pictures of the installation, etc and will report as I move forward. Travis :D -------- Travis Rayner Mobile, AL Skystar Vixen N-789DF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158530#158530 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:59 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Build time? From: "Tom Jones" > Kitfox's website says their planes can be built with common tools. I hope that means that while it may be time consuming, it's not difficult. Jorge, My neighbor across the street is building an RV-9. I made a joke to him that " Compared to his airplane mine is a tinkertoy". An exaggeration for sure but gives you some perspective. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV, Phase one 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158532#158532 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:15 AM PST US From: 84KF Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery Location > "AC43 is the rule but there are exceptions that make the rules. Those > exceptions are all well written in the aircraft manuals." > Exactly right. A certificated aircraft's manual contains "Approved Data", AC 43.13-1b, 2a contains "Acceptable Data", often used and referenced when seeking approval from the FAA for repairs and modifications to certificated aircraft when specific "Approved Data" is unavailable. All of it can, and should, be applied to Experimental Amateur-Built when in doubt. Steve Benesh A&P, IA 5-912UL ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:36 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen From: "Tom Jones" > I had to elongate the switch/panel holes (downward) so the ADI unit would fit. Now Ive got to figure out how to cover those ugly gaps above the switch mounting nuts! Travis, when I cut the hole in my panel for the altimeter I made the notch for the adjustment knob on the wrong side. I filled it with hysol mixed with lots of flox. Cannot see the repair when painted and it is hard as a rock. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV, Phase one 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158536#158536 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:36 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen From: "FlyboyTR" Tom, Thanks for that tidbit of info! I am not familiar with those products...but will do a search and educate myself. Thanks again! Travis :) -------- Travis Rayner Mobile, AL Skystar Vixen N-789DF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158543#158543 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:27 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen From: "n85ae" First time you try flying your Kitfox, and pee'ing into a container at the same time you'll be REALLY happy you have the autopilot. :) Regards, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158549#158549 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:34 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Build time? At 06:06 AM 1/16/2008, you wrote: >I'm selling my RV-9A and thinking of buying a Series 7, but I don't >want to end up where I'm at now. I just need to know how difficult >is a Kitfox kit? My girlfriend is tired of hearing me curse in the >garage because I'm frustrated over something I'm trying to do. I have a strong suspicion you'll end up where you're at now. However not having built one of the new planes with their improved plans I can't speak directly to them. Unfortunately this list doesn't have very many new builders either. I suggest you make contact with John McBean at Kitfox LLC, (www.kitfoxaircraftllc.com) and try to get a list of recent builder references from him. They will be able to best tell you about constructing a 7 or newer. My IV was a kit in the sense that it had some of the raw materials provided with general outline of assembly. ("The engine goes on the front.") You got to design the fuel, electrical, avionics, hydraulic systems and interior appointments yourself. You also got to design nearly everything forward of the firewall. (Excluding the engine mount.) Almost every part was custom fit with some guidelines on what tolerances to hold. How long it took, and how difficult it was was highly dependent on what you decided to build. My aircraft was built very simply, and was therefore easier than it could have been. Many of the new 7's I've seen have full IFR glass cockpits and full interiors. Some are now even installing autopilots! The better ones vary widely from the plans, with improved custom cowls, cooling systems, and interiors. It sounds to me like you may be building to fly, and are not really that interested in the building process. There are a couple of possible alternatives to building. One is to employ someone to "help" you build it. There are several professionals around the country who do this. The better alternative is to simply buy a flying plane. Though Van's aircraft are expensive to buy, Kitfoxes are not. You might seriously consider buying one outright now, because prices are seriously low. Good luck! Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:12 AM PST US From: "Jim Hakes" Subject: Kitfox-List: windscreen I am replacing by windscreen on my Model IV. I have done this once before using the sheet of polycarbonate. Currently, Skystar only handles the preformed windscreens. If I go with the preformed windscreen, is there any problem with it fitting correctly. If anyone has done this I would appreciate your advice. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:05 AM PST US From: Fred Shiple Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Build time? Jorge, I'm currantly building an RV7 and finished a S6/912S 4years ago. The engine/prop is installed on the RV7 with the cowling. I'm presently installing the Garmin panel with a builder assist program in PA, so I'm fairly well along in the building process Started the empannage with the assist program one year ago (Nov). Completed the airframe/wings in October in Toledo (nice to be retired!) and moved the plane to Rostraver Pa to complete it. The Series 6 instructions are very complete compared to Van's. Each 1-3 page section has drawings and text that end up with an installed subassembly. It was quite straight-forward for this inexperienced builder to perform. Van's instructions presume far more experience than I had when I started the 'Fox. It would have been difficult for me to complete the RV7 quick-build fuselage and wings 6 years ago. It was doable after being introduced to building thru the Kitfox approach. You need to plan your own fire-wall forward, but if you get the Kitfox kit for the engines they support, the instructions are very complete. There was also enough guidance for the other systems in the instruction manual that an RV builder should have no trouble. A local EAA member taught me fabric covering and it's pretty easy to master. Kitfox by way of John McBean has supurb builder support. There are enough local RV builders that I did not need to use Van's support. Booth the RV and the Kitfox are excellent and fun planes to build and fly. They just take a somewhat different approach to the building instruction process with the RV making more assumptions regarding builder experience. Fred Shiple Toledo OH S6/912S/amphibs jlfernan wrote: What I'm trying to determine is difficulty. While Vans builds a decent kit, you spend a lot of time scratching your head trying to figure things out. The plans are a little weak. Most of it something to the effect of "assemble aileron". While I realize building something like an airplane is never simple, I got tired of have to fit almost every part instead of just putting things together. Solid rivets are great when the go in right. When they don't, it can be very frustrating to fix them. I don't really know how to explain my frustration. When building an aluminum plane, you spend lots of hours in prep. Then parts are put on, drilled, remove, deburred, dimpled, riveted, put back on, removed again for something else and on and on. You can spend hours and feel like very little progress was made. Kitfoxe's website says their planes can be built with common tools. I hope that means that while it may be time consuming, it's not difficult. I can be paranoid, especially when it comes to something my life will depend on. Vans says their kits are "over engineered", but when they give you a measurement of say 17 & 11/64", I tend to try to be that precise. When I'm not, I worry and end up ! doing it over. When you compare builders lists like Kitfox to Vans, you see most of the posting on Vans list is people having problems figuring things out or fixing mistakes they made. Again I'm having trouble explaining my concerns. I'm selling my RV-9A and thinking of buying a Series 7, but I don't want to end up where I'm at now. I just need to know how difficult is a Kitfox kit? My girlfriend is tired of hearing me curse in the garage because I'm frustrated over something I'm trying to do. -------- Jorge Fernandez N214JL Reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158507#158507 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:46 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery Location I'll try to attach the pics that I had in my files, but even though I reduce then as Matronics asks, I always get a "rejection letter"...and then they show up anyway. If they don't show up, I'll send the three pics to you, Noel. On Jan 16, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Noel Loveys wrote: > Any chance the next time you are poking around in your fuse that > you could take some pictures of your static installation. I have > been considering installing a better installation. > > This is before I had installed the right-hand side tubing. This is up through the inspection hole opening, with temporary stick holding support in place while adhesive hardens. It's hard to not make a mess with the adhesive when you're working through the hole. Another shot of temporary stick. I had to install this support brace with one hand through insp. hole. The support has many holes drilled through it to allow the adhesive to ooze through and form a "rivet" of sorts. It also jams between the fuse tubing and the antenna plate, so there is mechanical, as well as adhesive attachment. Getting a machine screw into the (eventual) adel clamp was a joy, too! ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:41 AM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location Noel, My 912 engine mount came off of a model 3. I don't know if it will fi t your plane. I'm sure someone out there knows. I also have the grommet doo r that goes in the middle of the firewall. Shipping to Newfoundland must be expensive from almost anywhere. Pat Reilly From: noelloveys@yahoo.caTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L ist: Re: Battery LocationDate: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:51:50 -0330 I=92m in Newfoundland, Canada... As close as you can get to Europe on this continent without doing a lot of swimming. J I=92m going to hold on to the 582 until I get the 912 flying then it=92s up for sale, lock stock and barrel. What model Kitfox is your mount made to fit? That=92s the big part I need now. My bolt pattern should be the same as the model II. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reillySent: Tuesday, January 15, 200 8 3:05 PMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location Noel, Sorry, no, I do not have the 912 exhaust. I got this plane without th e engine. I have the complete 912 engine mount and the firewall grommet doo r, however. What are you doing with your 582 firewall forward? Where are yo u located? Pat From: noelloveys@yahoo.caTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L ist: Re: Battery LocationDate: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:42:20 -0330 Pat I=92m going the other way installing a 912 where a 582 now lives. I=92m co nsidering moving my header tank, almost 14 lb full, behind the seat. Then p utting the oil tank where the header is now, behind the instrument panel. I have to see if it will be easily removable form that location for cleanin g. BTW you don=92t happen to have an exhaust?? Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reillySent: Tuesday, January 15, 200 8 2:21 PMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location Tom, Thanks for the advice. I have removed the battery. I am 90% sure it wi ll have to come forward with the lighter engine. But, I will wait to reposi tion it with the new weight and balance. Pat Reilly> Subject: Kitfox-List : Re: Battery Location> From: nahsikhs@elltel.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 1 8:44:17 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-List message pos ted by: "Tom Jones" > > > > My question is, should I m ove the battery to the back of the firewall, where I see some other 582 eng ine battery installations? > > > Pat, I would leave the battery where it is until the rebuild is complete enough to do a close weight and balance. The n you can move the battery forward if needed and you will be able to know h ow far. It will probably be easier to remove the existing cables at that ti me than to reinstall them if you need the CG to move back.> > --------> Tom Jones> Classic IV, Phase one> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp> Ellensbur g, WA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/ viewtopic.php?p=158194#158194> > > > > > > &========= =============> =========== ======> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listhtt p://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution arget=_bl ank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listp://forums.matronics.comb lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?Kitfox-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contrib ution ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:05 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen Been there, done that, w/no autopilot. Later, told my flight instructor about the plane suddenly going nose-down, and he (laughingly) said "The CG changed that much?" (I had bumped the stick forward) Entry in logbook states "First airborne pitstop" Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/460+ hrs do not archive On Jan 16, 2008, at 11:06 AM, n85ae wrote: > > First time you try flying your Kitfox, and pee'ing into a container > at the > same time you'll be REALLY happy you have the autopilot. :) > > Regards, > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158549#158549 > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:09 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: windscreen I installed the LP Aeroplastics pre-formed windshield/skylight. (This was before John and Debra took over the reins at Kitfox Aircraft, LLC) I had no problem, as the 'screen comes (mine anyway) oversize side-to-side, and front-to-back. Mark well, and cut with a Dremel abrasive disc. Smooth and round ALL edges, and use the proper drill for the screw holes....30% oversize as I recall. I used anchor nuts to secure to the fuselage all around. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/460+ hrs On Jan 16, 2008, at 11:37 AM, Jim Hakes wrote: > I am replacing by windscreen on my Model IV. I have done this > once before using the sheet of polycarbonate. Currently, Skystar > only handles the preformed windscreens. If I go with the > preformed windscreen, is there any problem with it fitting correctly. > If anyone has done this I would appreciate your advice. > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:42 AM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Build time? I second that. It took me over 2300 hours to build my Model IV-1200. I bu ilt an excel spread sheet and each time that work was peformed I entered ti me and work accomplished. This included any one that helped me. That inclu ded time when having a beer or glass of wine reading the manual or trying to. My aircraft is very close to full IFR and didn't get much help. The m anual was just that a manual. Pictures were used were mostly not very good , although the hand drawings were fine. My plane weighed in at 634 lbs and I had hoped for less then 635, how lucky can you get. It now weighs 675 l bs, wouldn't take anything off that was put on. 1300 hours on airframe, 90 0 plus hours on 912ULS. Clint Half Moon Bay, Calif > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:20:36 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Fro m: bnn@nethere.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Build time?> > --> Kitfox -List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > > At 06:06 AM 1/16 /2008, you wrote:> >I'm selling my RV-9A and thinking of buying a Series 7, but I don't > >want to end up where I'm at now. I just need to know how di fficult > >is a Kitfox kit? My girlfriend is tired of hearing me curse in t he > >garage because I'm frustrated over something I'm trying to do.> > I h ave a strong suspicion you'll end up where you're at now. > However not hav ing built one of the new planes with their improved > plans I can't speak d irectly to them. Unfortunately this list doesn't > have very many new build ers either. I suggest you make contact with > John McBean at Kitfox LLC, (w ww.kitfoxaircraftllc.com) and try to get > a list of recent builder referen ces from him. They will be able to > best tell you about constructing a 7 o r newer.> My IV was a kit in the sense that it had some of the raw > materi als provided with general outline of assembly. ("The engine > goes on the f ront.") You got to design the fuel, electrical, > avionics, hydraulic syste ms and interior appointments yourself. You > also got to design nearly ever ything forward of the firewall. > (Excluding the engine mount.) Almost ever y part was custom fit with > some guidelines on what tolerances to hold. Ho w long it took, and how > difficult it was was highly dependent on what you decided to build. > My aircraft was built very simply, and was therefore e asier than it > could have been. Many of the new 7's I've seen have full IF R glass > cockpits and full interiors. Some are now even installing autopil ots! > The better ones vary widely from the plans, with improved custom > c owls, cooling systems, and interiors.> It sounds to me like you may be buil ding to fly, and are not > really that interested in the building process. There are a couple of > possible alternatives to building. One is to employ someone to "help" > you build it. There are several professionals around t he country who > do this. The better alternative is to simply buy a flying plane. > Though Van's aircraft are expensive to buy, Kitfoxes are not. You > might seriously consider buying one outright now, because prices are > se riously low.> > Good luck!> > > Guy Buchanan> San Diego, CA> K-IV 1200 / 58 ===================> > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:09 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: windscreen From: "dave" You can buy a sheet or 1/2 sheet of Lexan and use that . pretty simple, just smooth the edges on on all edges to stop crack propagation. .060 .090 or .125 you can use. I full sheet 4 x 8 ' will run under 100$ depending on thickness you use. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158603#158603 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:40 AM PST US From: "floran higgins" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: windscreen I installed the preformed winshield from Kitfox on my Speedster. It fit very well, only required a small bit of triming along the door posts. Floran Higgins Helena, Mt. Speedster 912 ULS ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Hakes To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:37 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: windscreen I am replacing by windscreen on my Model IV. I have done this once before using the sheet of polycarbonate. Currently, Skystar only handles the preformed windscreens. If I go with the preformed windscreen, is there any problem with it fitting correctly. If anyone has done this I would appreciate your advice. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:27 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Static port WAS: Battery Location Yes... if there is a greater pressure difference. Pitot pressure is positive and a positive pressure on the static port will display a lower airspeed. A lower pressure on the static port will make the ASI read too high ( not good ) and the Altimeter read too high, also not too good. I may have got my jords wumbled. BTW. For the benefit of others reading this I was reading a passage( just like the bible ) in AC 43 today that reminded me to never allow negative pressure differential in the pitot line of an ASI ( Negative speed ) When I was in school, the only thing we would hook up to a pitot static system was a Barfield tester or a bottle of nitrogen used to clean out and dry the lines when they were disconnected from the instruments. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Static port WAS: Battery Location On Jan 16, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Noel Loveys wrote: > That area of the inside of the fuselage could be a lower pressure > area. That would make your Alt read too high and your ASI read too > low. If there is a greater pressure difference between the pitot tube and the static port, wouldn't that make the ASI read too high, Noel? Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:12 PM PST US From: 84KF Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Static port WAS: Battery Location What I haven't seen so far is any mention of static drains or alternate static source for use in case moisture collects, and\or freezes in the line itself. Just thinking out loud here.. ... btw...except for the alt encoder being plumbed into the altimeter, all my instruments static openings are just open, to cabin pressure. No big deal, no major errors. Steve 84KF ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:50 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Static port WAS: Battery Location Steve, I have wondered all along why in an unpressurized cabin why you need a static port to the outside? Especially in our type of planes that can't be and are never sealed worth a damn. Pat Reilly @matronics.comSubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Static port WAS: Battery Location What I haven't seen so far is any mention of static drains or alternate sta tic source for use in case moisture collects, and\or freezes in the line it self. Just thinking out loud here.. ... btw...except for the alt encoder being plumbed into the altimeter, all my i nstruments static openings are just open, to cabin pressure. No big deal, n o major errors. Steve 84KF ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:30 PM PST US From: 84KF Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Static port WAS: Battery Location Patrick, The instruments on my PA-15 vagabond were open (no static lines, ports, etc.) and it worked fine for what it was. The downside was, when I opened the sliding side window, a slightly lower pressure was created in the cabin due to the air rushing by, causing a very slight change in indicated airspeed, maybe 3-5 mph. I would also get a slight VSI indication change (just a burp) Altimeter change,i f any, was so slight it's not worth mentioning. If one want to get anal about these things then it matteres, but the changes were so slight that it was a non-issue. Steve 84KF ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:09 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location From: "akflyer" Steve, I have wondered all along why in an unpressurized cabin why you need a static port to the outside? Especially in our type of planes that can't be and are never sealed worth a damn. Pat Reilly Speak for your own plane... next time I am dumb enough to try and fly at -25, I am gonna have the ole lady bust out the duct tape once I get in.. I'll make sure that bugger is sealed up tighter than a frogs.... ahh orifice. remember, if they cant find you attractive, they should at least find you handy. Seriously though, the instruments on my brothers KF are just running off cabin static and GPS shows the VSI and airspeed to be darn near dead on. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158651#158651 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:51 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location From: "dave" I have a feeling the Dan Denney used to get some chinese ASI s ? Mine read pretty good up to about 60to 70 then it outpaces it 's self at 92 mph cruise in gps my ASI will show about 105 to 110 mph . many times my ASI goes past the 120 or 125 red zone and around to about 20 or 30 mph. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158657#158657 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:14 PM PST US From: 84KF Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location "....next time I am dumb enough to try and fly at -25, I am gonna have the ole lady bust out the duct tape once I get in.. I'll make sure that bugger is sealed up tighter than a frogs" Leni, You'll have to send me the part # of your duct tape, Mine tends become brittle and fall apart below +20F Steve ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:53 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location From: "akflyer" nashau duct tape. IT is the only tape to buy. It is the only tape we have found that holds up to the harsh north slope weather and will stick when cold!.. the bad part is if you want to get out, you will have to be cut out of the plane cause you are not gonna bust it loose just by pushing on the door. ( I was only half kidding about having the wife tape me in lol.. ) -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158663#158663 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:12 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location I listened to both arguments, and opted for the "finished" look of a system where all the ports on the instruments were actually connected to lines, looking like they did something. Call me anal, I guess. If I was a weight freak, maybe I'da left 'em off. The argument that sold it for me was opening a vent and having a gauge go nuts...not very professional. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/460+ hrs On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:23 PM, akflyer wrote: > > Steve, I have wondered all along why in an unpressurized cabin why > you need a static port to the outside? Especially in our type of > planes that can't be and are never sealed worth a damn. Pat Reilly > > Speak for your own plane... next time I am dumb enough to try and > fly at -25, I am gonna have the ole lady bust out the duct tape > once I get in.. I'll make sure that bugger is sealed up tighter > than a frogs.... ahh orifice. > > remember, if they cant find you attractive, they should at least > find you handy. > > Seriously though, the instruments on my brothers KF are just > running off cabin static and GPS shows the VSI and airspeed to be > darn near dead on. > > -------- > DO NOT ARCHIVE > Leonard Perry > Soldotna AK > Avid "C" / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA > Full Lotus 1260 > 95% complete > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158651#158651 > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:48 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location Ever try Gorilla Duct Tape? That stuff is tenacious. It's hard to even get it off the roll. I've used Performance Automotive's "racer's tape" available in colors. I don't know the actual name of the tape. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/460+ hrs do not archive On Jan 16, 2008, at 7:13 PM, akflyer wrote: > > nashau duct tape. IT is the only tape to buy. It is the only tape > we have found that holds up to the harsh north slope weather and > will stick when cold!.. the bad part is if you want to get out, you > will have to be cut out of the plane cause you are not gonna bust > it loose just by pushing on the door. ( I was only half kidding > about having the wife tape me in lol.. ) > > -------- > DO NOT ARCHIVE > Leonard Perry > Soldotna AK > Avid "C" / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA > Full Lotus 1260 > 95% complete > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158663#158663 > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:45 PM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery Location They came through here just fine Lynn. Dekester do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery Location > I'll try to attach the pics that I had in my files, but even though I > reduce then as Matronics asks, I always get a "rejection > letter"...and then they show up anyway. If they don't show up, I'll > send the three pics to you, Noel. > > On Jan 16, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Noel Loveys wrote: >> Any chance the next time you are poking around in your fuse that >> you could take some pictures of your static installation. I have >> been considering installing a better installation. >> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is before I had installed the right-hand side tubing. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is up through the inspection hole opening, with temporary stick > holding support in place while adhesive hardens. It's hard to not > make a mess with the adhesive when you're working through the hole. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Another shot of temporary stick. I had to install this support brace > with one hand through insp. hole. The support has many holes drilled > through it to allow the adhesive to ooze through and form a "rivet" > of sorts. It also jams between the fuse tubing and the antenna plate, > so there is mechanical, as well as adhesive attachment. Getting a > machine screw into the (eventual) adel clamp was a joy, too! ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:48 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location From: "akflyer" the gorilla pales in comparison (at least the 2 rolls I tried). I have used the Nashua for float repairs, boat repairs etc. and it has yet to let me down. And to keep this on topic, you could use a small piece of the tape, and cover the static ports for an experiment. The tape should be good for 150 mph. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158669#158669 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:16 PM PST US From: 84KF Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Build time? "......employ someone to "help" you build it. There are several professionals around the country who do this. " Anyone contemplating the use of "professional" help should study the following FAA Advisory Circular. .AC *20-139* Commercial Assistance During Construction of Amateur-Built Aircraft .http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/3209fec2139ccb3f862569af006ab9e9/$FILE/AC20- 139.pdf Steve Benesh 84KF A&P, IA ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:49 PM PST US From: 84KF Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Build time? On Jan 16, 2008 8:19 PM, 84KF wrote: > > > "......employ someone to "help" > you build it. There are several professionals around the country who > do this. " > > Anyone contemplating the use of "professional" help should study the > following FAA Advisory Circular. > > .AC *20-139* > Commercial Assistance During Construction of Amateur-Built Aircraft > > > http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/3209fec2139ccb3f862569af006ab9e9/$FILE/AC20-139.pdf > Steve Benesh > 84KF > A&P, IA > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:19 PM PST US From: 84KF Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Build time? Link fixed (I hope) to: > > > > > > .AC *20-139* > > > Commercial Assistance During Construction of Amateur-Built Aircraft > > > > http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/3209fec2139ccb3f862569af006ab9e9/$FILE/AC20-139.pdf > > > > > > Steve Benesh > > > 84KF > > A&P, IA > > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:44 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location My plane registered as a model III-A is buy the serial numbers a model II which the builder told me he had upgraded to a the same specs as a model III. I think in order for your mount to fit it would have to come off a model II. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location Noel, My 912 engine mount came off of a model 3. I don't know if it will fit your plane. I'm sure someone out there knows. I also have the grommet door that goes in the middle of the firewall. Shipping to Newfoundland must be expensive from almost anywhere. Pat Reilly _____ From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location I'm in Newfoundland, Canada... As close as you can get to Europe on this continent without doing a lot of swimming. J I'm going to hold on to the 582 until I get the 912 flying then it's up for sale, lock stock and barrel. What model Kitfox is your mount made to fit? That's the big part I need now. My bolt pattern should be the same as the model II. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:05 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location Noel, Sorry, no, I do not have the 912 exhaust. I got this plane without the engine. I have the complete 912 engine mount and the firewall grommet door, however. What are you doing with your 582 firewall forward? Where are you located? Pat _____ From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location Pat I'm going the other way installing a 912 where a 582 now lives. I'm considering moving my header tank, almost 14 lb full, behind the seat. Then putting the oil tank where the header is now, behind the instrument panel. I have to see if it will be easily removable form that location for cleaning. BTW you don't happen to have an exhaust?? Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 2:21 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location Tom, Thanks for the advice. I have removed the battery. I am 90% sure it will have to come forward with the lighter engine. But, I will wait to reposition it with the new weight and balance. Pat Reilly > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Battery Location > From: nahsikhs@elltel.net > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:44:17 -0800 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > > > My question is, should I move the battery to the back of the firewall, where I see some other 582 engine battery installations? > > > Pat, I would leave the battery where it is until the rebuild is complete enough to do a close weight and balance. Then you can move the battery forward if needed and you will be able to know how far. It will probably be easier to remove the existing cables at that time than to reinstall them if you need the CG to move back. > > -------- > Tom Jones > Classic IV, Phase one > 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp > Ellensburg, WA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158194#158194 > > > > > > > &===================== > ================ > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:24 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Static port WAS: Battery Location Until you open the door... then the effect is minimal but noticible. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 84KF Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Static port WAS: Battery Location What I haven't seen so far is any mention of static drains or alternate static source for use in case moisture collects, and\or freezes in the line itself. Just thinking out loud here.. ... btw...except for the alt encoder being plumbed into the altimeter, all my instruments static openings are just open, to cabin pressure. No big deal, no major errors. Steve 84KF ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:07 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location Use speed tape... it's a super sticky aluminium foil. Great to have in the box for quick repairs of perforated wings etc. Only problem is getting the stuff off! Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 84KF Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location "....next time I am dumb enough to try and fly at -25, I am gonna have the ole lady bust out the duct tape once I get in.. I'll make sure that bugger is sealed up tighter than a frogs" Leni, You'll have to send me the part # of your duct tape, Mine tends become brittle and fall apart below +20F Steve ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:43 PM PST US From: "Pete Christensen" Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox XL I have a brochure for a Kitfox XL kit which states it has a gross weight of 950. I thought the XL was a IV. It also claims it flys with a Rotax 503. Is it the same width as a IV? Pete ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:23 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Static port WAS: Battery Location At 02:12 PM 1/16/2008, you wrote: >What I haven't seen so far is any mention of static drains or >alternate static source for use in case moisture collects, and\or >freezes in the line itself. I did a pitot drain because of the dramatic height change. It's just a loop with a stub at the bottom. Unfortunately I didn't make it very easy to service. Too impatient. I didn't drain the static because it is pretty much up-hill from the source to the instrument. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:23 PM PST US From: shinco Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port WAS: Battery Location akflyer wrote: > > the gorilla pales in comparison (at least the 2 rolls I tried). I have used the Nashua for float repairs, boat repairs etc. and it has yet to let me down. > > And to keep this on topic, you could use a small piece of the tape, and cover the static ports for an experiment. The tape should be good for 150 mph. > > -------- > DO NOT ARCHIVE > Leonard Perry > Soldotna AK > Avid "C" / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA > Full Lotus 1260 > 95% complete > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158669#158669 > > > Duck tape was invented in WW2,to field repair aircraft so they could be put back into.service as soon as they could.so I guess if Duck tape was good on fighter aircraft 300mph.it is good on a Kitfox to.WOW a kitfox covered with all Duck Tape..it would make thing alot cheaper and easer..Steve Shinabery 554KF KF2 little 582 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.