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1. 04:56 AM - Re: How much money have you spent? (dave)
2. 04:58 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 01/15/08 (Lynn Matteson)
3. 05:23 AM - Avid/Kitfox trailer (bill stevenson)
4. 07:36 AM - Re: transporting the Fox (paul wilson)
5. 07:41 AM - Tail Wheel assembly (Pat Reilly)
6. 08:01 AM - Re: transporting the Fox (dcsfoto)
7. 09:12 AM - Re: Avid/Kitfox trailer (Jim Crowder)
8. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: transporting the Fox (Lynn Matteson)
9. 10:38 AM - Re: Tail Wheel assembly (dave)
10. 11:23 AM - Re: [!! SPAM] Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 01/15/08 (floran higgins)
11. 12:59 PM - [!! SPAM] Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 01/15/08 (dave)
12. 01:33 PM - Aluminum Belly Pan (Pat Reilly)
13. 01:34 PM - Re: [avid_flyer] Wind Screen Issues (Andy Fultz)
14. 01:35 PM - Re: Re: Tail Wheel assembly (patrick reilly)
15. 01:51 PM - Re: Tail Wheel assembly (dave)
16. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: [avid_flyer] Wind Screen Issues (Pete Christensen)
17. 05:14 PM - Re: [avid_flyer] Wind Screen Issues (dave)
18. 06:22 PM - Re: Aluminum Belly Pan (darinh)
19. 08:22 PM - Re: Re: transporting the Fox (Bob Jones)
20. 08:35 PM - Re: transporting the Fox (Bob Jones)
21. 08:46 PM - Re: Aluminum Belly Pan (john oakley)
22. 09:26 PM - Speedster question? (SUE MICHAELS)
23. 09:33 PM - Re: Aluminum Belly Pan (SUE MICHAELS)
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| Subject: | Re: How much money have you spent? |
All these figures show you why Kitfox on the used market are such a great deal
and investment. A used Kitfox is likely proven already of it's airworthiness
and a turn key purchase. Some like to fly and some like to build . Some will
never finish building and some will never fly and other will buy and fly. They
all will fly eventually --one better than the other ? doubt it. Some will
build quick and fly alot .
To each their own but we have seen the bottom of the price range in the Kitfox
market I think. If you serious about a Kitfox better step up to the plate and
get going .
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 01/15/08 |
John McBean may be able to supply them. I built my own, based on what
I saw on a Kitfox on a trailer in a nearby hangar. They extend from
the front spar down to one of the float brackets, below the lower
longeron.
Lynn
On Jan 18, 2008, at 9:09 PM, riquenkelly@aol.com wrote:
> Listers,
> Thank you very much for your advice on transporting my airplane.
> Sounds like some of you have some good experience with this. I am
> going to have to give it some more thought. An enclosed car
> trailer would be the perfect slution but may be cost prohibitive.
> I will give it more thought. I have heard of a special brace that
> is required to support the front spar while transporting.
> Apparently there is a large amount of extra strees on the aft spar
> joint when the aircraft is subjected to road motion. Any ideas
> where I would locate a pair of these?
>
> Thank so much for the advice. I'd hate to damage the aircraft due
> to my ignorance.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rique
>
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| Subject: | Avid/Kitfox trailer |
Rique,
You did not say your location. I am located 50 miles NW of Austin, TX and
will be selling a trailer made to haul these airplanes for $700.
The trailer is semi-enclosed having a solid floor, steel side panels, 7'
high nose piece and a flip-down rear ramp. There is an interior ramp
on the centerline for the tail wheel to raise the tail so the folded wings,
which are wider than the trailer, will clear the sidewalls.
I bought the trailer so the Avid I purchased could be delivered from the
Pacific NW. The Avid is now in my hangar and I have no need of the trailer.
If you, or anyone else, has an interest, I can take a few pictures and
e-mail them.
Bill Stevenson
Avid Mark IV
PA-20
C-180 & C-182
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| Subject: | Re: transporting the Fox |
I would strongly recommend removing the wings if you are going and
significant distance. What I did was use a car hauler and put 4' high
sides on it braced them across the top and lashed the wings to the
sides carefully padded then with carpet and upholstery foam. I the
towed the whole thing over 400 miles to my new place with no damage.
To protect from weather I used a trap over the top. with some foam at
the high point to avoid any rubbing of the trap.
The brace you are talking about is not special but was an option from
Skystar is nothing more than a 4130 rod that goes from the front
spar attach pin to a lug on the bottom of the fuge. You could make
one pretty easy. Yes stresses are quit significant. Skystar had an
accelerometer on the plane when they transported and the numbers were
very high. Failure point reported as a result of towing on a trailer
occurred at at the rear spar attach and the Fuge fwd of the tail
wheel where buckling occurred.
The solution for the wing is above. The solution for the Fuge is
something soft under the tail wheel to take up the shock loads. With
the wings removed teh Fuge issue is moot.
LOL, Paul
PS, be sure to remove the wings. PW
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At 06:09 PM 1/18/2008, Rique wrote:
>Listers,
> Thank you very much for your advice on transporting my
> airplane. Sounds like some of you have some good experience with
> this. I am going to have to give it some more thought. An
> enclosed car trailer would be the perfect slution but may be cost
> prohibitive. I will give it more thought. I have heard of a
> special brace that is required to support the front spar while
> transporting. Apparently there is a large amount of extra strees
> on the aft spar joint when the aircraft is subjected to road
> motion. Any ideas where I would locate a pair of these?
>
>Thank so much for the advice. I'd hate to damage the aircraft due
>to my ignorance.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Rique
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| Subject: | Tail Wheel assembly |
Kitfoxers, In my mod 3 rebuild I notice that the tail wheel assembly
seems very heavy. I know there are some spring steel assemblies, but
can't believe they are much lighter. Has anybody fabricated a square
steel tube or composite spring tailassembly that saves any weight? And,
which ready made tail wheel assembly is the best? Does anyone run just a
spring steel skid?
Pat Reilly
Rockford, Illinois
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| Subject: | Re: transporting the Fox |
Kitfox sells a transport kit,I got one and it includes a cover for the vertical
and rudder with pads for the flaparons to rest against.
David Kelm Kitfox III and 7
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159217#159217
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| Subject: | Avid/Kitfox trailer |
Bill,
I live in Colorado and am interested. I own a Kitfox Model 5. Will it fit?
Jim Crowder
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of bill stevenson
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 6:20 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid/Kitfox trailer
Rique,
You did not say your location. I am located 50 miles NW of Austin, TX and
will be selling a trailer made to haul these airplanes for $700.
The trailer is semi-enclosed having a solid floor, steel side panels, 7'
high nose piece and a flip-down rear ramp. There is an interior ramp
on the centerline for the tail wheel to raise the tail so the folded
wings, which are wider than the trailer, will clear the sidewalls.
I bought the trailer so the Avid I purchased could be delivered from the
Pacific NW. The Avid is now in my hangar and I have no need of the trailer.
If you, or anyone else, has an interest, I can take a few pictures and
e-mail them.
Bill Stevenson
Avid Mark IV
PA-20
C-180 & C-182
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| Subject: | Re: transporting the Fox |
Be aware that the pads might be too thick (at least on mine, it was)
for the vertical if the vertical is airfoiled. I got mine through
Skystar (the last order of mine before they went belly up) and the
pads were so thick that the stand-off braces had to be lengthened to
keep from squeezing the vertical too hard. My pads were about 3" thick.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
On Jan 19, 2008, at 10:57 AM, dcsfoto wrote:
>
> Kitfox sells a transport kit,I got one and it includes a cover for
> the vertical and rudder with pads for the flaparons to rest against.
>
> David Kelm Kitfox III and 7
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159217#159217
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel assembly |
Tailwheel does seem heavy but that all part of your W & B .
Works well the way it is and I now havea 3 leaf spring on the tail and working
well so far.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159249#159249
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 01/15/08 |
I have a set of these braces. I got them from Skystar.
Maybe John Mc Bean has them
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt. Speedster
912ULS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 45 Msgs -
01/15/08
>
> At 06:09 PM 1/18/2008, you wrote:
>>I will give it more thought. I have heard of a special brace that is
>>required to support the front spar while transporting. Apparently there
>>is a large amount of extra strees on the aft spar joint when the aircraft
>>is subjected to road motion.
>
> I can't remember; are you going long distance? If so you should pull the
> wings. It's easy and worth the hassle to avoid damage. If short distance
> ignore me.
>
>>Any ideas where I would locate a pair of these?
>
> As far as I know you have to make them. It's not very hard. I'll try to
> put together a photo essay for you this weekend.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [!! SPAM] Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 01/15/08 |
I have just used 1" conduit crimped and bend at ends to fit and bolts to strut
attach fitting on longeron and at spar with a both and nut on each.
The other one s are simple and likely stronger though.
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Aluminum Belly Pan |
Kitfoxers, has anybody put an aluminum belly pan under the cabin? Would
025 thick add too much weight?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | RE: [avid_flyer] Wind Screen Issues |
What, if anything can be used to remove the dried glue of the protective
paper covering on the lexan(?) that was shipped with my kit in 1990? I've
tried a product from ACS called UNMASK with no success. I've even tried
silicon lubricant and no success. Is there anything that can be used
without causing damage? I may just have to replace it. If I do, what
exactly do I need to replace it with. I certainly think I'll go with a
little thicker material. What I have now is 60 thousands. I'm thinking
maybe at least 80 thousands. Some one mentioned a product called PetG from
K-Mac Plastics ? ? ? Thanks guys.
Andy F.
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel assembly |
Dave, Thanks for reply. It definitely will change weight and balance to red
uce tail wheel weight significantly. But, I will happily move the battery t
o loose that much weight. Pat Reilly> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tail Whee
l assembly> From: dave@cfisher.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:35:55 -0800>
<dave@cfisher.com>> > Tailwheel does seem heavy but that all part of your W
& B . > > Works well the way it is and I now havea 3 leaf spring on the ta
il and working well so far.> > --------> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada> Flyi
ng Videos and Kitfox Info> http://www.cfisher.com/> > > > > Read this topic
online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159249#15924
======> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel assembly |
in reality are we splitting hairs here?
I always wondered about a fairing for the tail gear.
more gain that way ? or by losing a few pounds ?
Heck if i lost 50 lbs i would likely gain better aircraft performance :)
or be able to carry 8 gallons more fuel
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: RE: [avid_flyer] Wind Screen Issues |
Try Goo Gone of Goof Off. Might work
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Fultz
To: Kitfox List ; avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:31 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: [avid_flyer] Wind Screen Issues
What, if anything can be used to remove the dried glue of the
protective paper covering on the lexan(?) that was shipped with my kit
in 1990? I've tried a product from ACS called UNMASK with no success.
I've even tried silicon lubricant and no success. Is there anything
that can be used without causing damage? I may just have to replace it.
If I do, what exactly do I need to replace it with. I certainly think
I'll go with a little thicker material. What I have now is 60
thousands. I'm thinking maybe at least 80 thousands. Some one
mentioned a product called PetG from K-Mac Plastics ? ? ? Thanks guys.
Andy F.
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| Subject: | Re: [avid_flyer] Wind Screen Issues |
Andy- I would try soap and hot water first. Keep it wet fora period of time ?
>> Throw in hot tub overnight ?
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Belly Pan |
Pat,
I seriously considered this mod also but have yet to do it. Most of my flying
will be off unimproved strips in Utah and Idaho and I think this would be a great
mod. The way I would think best to attach the skins would be to fab up some
small brackets to attach to the tubing and then rivet the skins to that. Someone
suggested that I simply drill through the bottom of the tubing and rivet
to that but that would not be the best idea. I doubt this would add much more
than a couple pounds.
Let us know how it turns out if you decide to make the mod.
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: transporting the Fox |
I have trailered my fox for tens of thousands of miles and have periodically
made my own padded tail covers to prevent flaperons from rubbing against
rudder and verticle stabilizer by using 1. exercise mat material from K-Mart
at maybe $10 and 2. campers roll-up sleeping mat foam which is very similar
to exercise mat and even knee pad squares used for gardening held in place
by bungees. I think I actually used some colorful foam beach mat once.
BJ
443-480-1023
bjones@dmv.com
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: transporting the Fox
>
> Be aware that the pads might be too thick (at least on mine, it was) for
> the vertical if the vertical is airfoiled. I got mine through Skystar
> (the last order of mine before they went belly up) and the pads were so
> thick that the stand-off braces had to be lengthened to keep from
> squeezing the vertical too hard. My pads were about 3" thick.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/460+ hrs
>
> On Jan 19, 2008, at 10:57 AM, dcsfoto wrote:
>
>>
>> Kitfox sells a transport kit,I got one and it includes a cover for the
>> vertical and rudder with pads for the flaparons to rest against.
>>
>> David Kelm Kitfox III and 7
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159217#159217
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: transporting the Fox |
Don't forget to remove as much fuel as practical from the wings to
decrease forces on the wing support mechanism when trailering with wings
folded.
Remember that the CG shifts aft with the wings folded putting a lot of
stress forces on the tail wherever it is supported. Providing some
support and cushioning ahead of the tail wheel spring might be important
as mentioned by someone already.
BJ
443-480-1023
bjones@dmv.com
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: paul wilson
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: transporting the Fox
I would strongly recommend removing the wings if you are going and
significant distance. What I did was use a car hauler and put 4' high
sides on it braced them across the top and lashed the wings to the
sides carefully padded then with carpet and upholstery foam. I the towed
the whole thing over 400 miles to my new place with no damage. To
protect from weather I used a trap over the top. with some foam at the
high point to avoid any rubbing of the trap.
The brace you are talking about is not special but was an option from
Skystar is nothing more than a 4130 rod that goes from the front spar
attach pin to a lug on the bottom of the fuge. You could make one pretty
easy. Yes stresses are quit significant. Skystar had an accelerometer on
the plane when they transported and the numbers were very high. Failure
point reported as a result of towing on a trailer occurred at at the
rear spar attach and the Fuge fwd of the tail wheel where buckling
occurred.
The solution for the wing is above. The solution for the Fuge is
something soft under the tail wheel to take up the shock loads. With the
wings removed teh Fuge issue is moot.
LOL, Paul
PS, be sure to remove the wings. PW
=====================
At 06:09 PM 1/18/2008, Rique wrote:
Listers,
Thank you very much for your advice on transporting my airplane.
Sounds like some of you have some good experience with this. I am going
to have to give it some more thought. An enclosed car trailer would be
the perfect slution but may be cost prohibitive. I will give it more
thought. I have heard of a special brace that is required to support
the front spar while transporting. Apparently there is a large amount
of extra strees on the aft spar joint when the aircraft is subjected to
road motion. Any ideas where I would locate a pair of these?
Thank so much for the advice. I'd hate to damage the aircraft due
to my ignorance.
Cheers,
Rique
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| Subject: | Aluminum Belly Pan |
Pat,
If I had to do it over again, I would put an aluminum pan under the cabin.
John Oakley
912 speedster cap
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat Reilly
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Belly Pan
Kitfoxers, has anybody put an aluminum belly pan under the cabin? Would .025
thick add too much weight?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | Speedster question? |
Does the speedster have a higher Vne then its standard model of the same model
year?
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Belly Pan |
What would be the purpose of a aluminum pan under the cabin and would you cover
it all. I'm at the point of covering now.
----- Original Message ----
From: john oakley <john@leptron.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 8:44:19 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Belly Pan
Pat,
If I had to do it over again, I would put an aluminum pan under the cabin.
John Oakley
912 speedster cap
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat Reilly
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Belly Pan
Kitfoxers, has anybody put an aluminum belly pan under the cabin? Would .025 thick
add too much weight?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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