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1. 05:31 AM - Re: Aluminum Belly Pan (Lynn Matteson)
2. 06:48 AM - Re: aluminum Belly Pan (Michael Logan)
3. 07:05 AM - Re: aluminum Belly Pan (Lynn Matteson)
4. 07:41 AM - Re: wheel base of classicIV (Tom Jones)
5. 08:55 AM - Re: aluminum Belly Pan (Jim Corner)
6. 09:21 AM - Re: aluminum Belly Pan (Jim Crowder)
7. 09:40 AM - Re: Aluminum Belly Pan (SUE MICHAELS)
8. 10:40 AM - tires (Mike Chaney)
9. 11:29 AM - Re: tires (dave)
10. 12:09 PM - 2-stroke Oil (Guy Buchanan)
11. 12:20 PM - Re: Aluminum Belly Pan (patrick reilly)
12. 12:37 PM - Re: 2-stroke Oil (patrick reilly)
13. 12:54 PM - Re: 2-stroke Oil (dave)
14. 01:08 PM - Re: Re: wheel base of classicIV (dwight purdy)
15. 01:19 PM - Re: Aluminum Belly Pan (SUE MICHAELS)
16. 02:04 PM - Re: 2-stroke Oil (John Alexander)
17. 02:19 PM - Re: Aluminum Belly Pan (John Alexander)
18. 02:38 PM - 2-stroke Oil (fox5flyer)
19. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: 2-stroke Oil (patrick reilly)
20. 04:09 PM - Re: 2-stroke Oil (shinco)
21. 05:11 PM - Re: 2-stroke Oil (dave)
22. 05:23 PM - Re: 2-stroke Oil (John Alexander)
23. 09:56 PM - Re: 2-stroke Oil (Guy Buchanan)
24. 09:56 PM - Re: 2-stroke Oil (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Belly Pan |
The brand that was prevalent when I built in '04-06 was Hysol. It
looks a LOT like J-B Weld, and some have suggested that it is, but
I'm not sure. I'd rather see the name that I trust on the can than
wish later that I had. I'm sure John McBean supplies Hysol, or
locally you can probably get it at an industrial supplier.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
On Jan 20, 2008, at 2:57 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, I like the idea of tabs to secure the belly pan. I also like
> epoxy attachment. I could also weld the tabs on. The front cross
> tube on my Mod 3 had the lower firewall screwed or riveted directly
> into that tube. It was not attached when I got the plane. It just
> has the holes in the firewall and tube. What brand of epoxy do you
> recommend for the clips. The paint would need to be removed in the
> area where it was epoxied and repainted. At least I think most
> epoxies require clean metal for attachment. I didn't plan on fabric
> covering that portion of the belly the pan covers. I will see if I
> can find the metal cable clips you mention. Again Thank You for
> your advice. It is invaluable to have the experience available
> through this Kitfox Thread. Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
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| Subject: | aluminum Belly Pan |
I faired my Grove gear in using plywood ribs epoxied to the tubing. In
front of the gear, I covered the ribs with aluminum, which provides the
ground plane for the transponder. Aft of the gear I used fabric like the
rest of the plane. The fabric is just as tough, if not tougher than the
aluminum and does not dent. The gear under the fuselage is not covered so
that it can flex.
Mike Logan
Series 5
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 10:53 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: aluminum Belly Pan
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Hey guys,
Don't for get that the grove gear moves below the center of the cockpit.
The center moves down as the wheels flex up. Just be sure to design for
it if you are fairing it in. I like the access that a removable pan would
allow. I have had no problems (yet!) with holes from sticks or stones.
Randy
.
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Corner
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: aluminum Belly Pan
On 20-Jan-08, at 8:31 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
I have a Grove gear,
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum Belly Pan |
Jim-
Does your pan extend beyond the Grove gear to the rear? If not, it
would seem like you'd get some turbulence behind the gear if the pan
just quit at the gear. I thought I'd slope my pan from the firewall
flap area down to below the gear, then slope it back up to where it
would again contact the fuse's fabric, and be held in place there by
the aforementioned machine screws and Hysol'ed clips inside the fuse.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
On Jan 20, 2008, at 9:02 PM, Jim Corner wrote:
> On 20-Jan-08, at 8:31 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> I have a Grove gear, and it seems like there must be a bit of drag
> on that, where the air passes between the belly of the plane and
> the gear. I have thought of putting a belly pan in that area, using
> the screws that hold the bottom portion of the firewall...the
> horizontal "flap"...to hold the front of the belly pan.
>
>
> Lynn
>
> Just happens that I had the same thought as you that the Grove gear
> area would create an area of extra drag between the gear and the
> belly. I just finished fabricating a small belly pan which will
> be attached at the front under the firewall flap using screws into
> a 1/2 x 3/4 wood cross brace which is in turn held to the fuse by
> screws through the floorboards. (i.e. no holes in tubing.)
>
> At the rear I have drilled and tapped a couple of holes into the
> round aluminum gear retainers and then attached an aluminum angle
> across the width of the fuselage. The bottom of the angle is flush
> with the bottom of the Grove gear.
>
> Jim Corner
> Model 2, 582,. Ivo med !FA, 1100 hrs
> Model 5 under construction
> Calgary, AB
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| Subject: | Re: wheel base of classicIV |
Dwight, 56" center to center on my Classic 4 tires. The book says 56.5"
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum Belly Pan |
Wow! That Grove gear does flex more in the centre than I anticipated.
Thanks Randy and Steve for the heads up on that one. My landing are
always so smooth that it probably
would not matter, but then someone else may fly the plane some day. ; )
My pan has now been trimmed slightly so that it does not interfere
with this flex.
I currently do not plan to add a fairing behind the gear
Jim Corner
Model 2, 582,. Ivo med !FA, 1100 hrs
Model 5 under construction
Calgary, AB
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| Subject: | aluminum Belly Pan |
Mike,
Do you have any pictures of what you did?
Jim Crowder
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> Logan
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 7:49 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: aluminum Belly Pan
>
>
>
> I faired my Grove gear in using plywood ribs epoxied to the tubing. In
> front of the gear, I covered the ribs with aluminum, which provides the
> ground plane for the transponder. Aft of the gear I used fabric like the
> rest of the plane. The fabric is just as tough, if not tougher than the
> aluminum and does not dent. The gear under the fuselage is not covered so
> that it can flex.
>
> Mike Logan
> Series 5
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Belly Pan |
Aircraft Spruce carries Loctite Hysol 9430. Hysol 9460 is what was used by Kitfox.
What the different is that the 9460 is dark gray in color and is a 50 / 50
mix. The 9430 is white in color (close to airframe color white) and mixes 4
to 1 (actually 100 to 23, but works perfect at 4 to 1). The 9430 has higher peel
and shear strenght properties. It works with glass bubbles and flocked cotton
and near impossible to remove by force without destroying the aluminum, wood
or thin steel.
George
----- Original Message ----
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:27:06 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Belly Pan
The brand that was prevalent when I built in '04-06 was Hysol. It
looks a LOT like J-B Weld, and some have suggested that it is, but
I'm not sure. I'd rather see the name that I trust on the can than
wish later that I had. I'm sure John McBean supplies Hysol, or
locally you can probably get it at an industrial supplier.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
On Jan 20, 2008, at 2:57 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, I like the idea of tabs to secure the belly pan. I also like
> epoxy attachment. I could also weld the tabs on. The front cross
> tube on my Mod 3 had the lower firewall screwed or riveted directly
> into that tube. It was not attached when I got the plane. It just
> has the holes in the firewall and tube. What brand of epoxy do you
> recommend for the clips. The paint would need to be removed in the
> area where it was epoxied and repainted. At least I think most
> epoxies require clean metal for attachment. I didn't plan on fabric
> covering that portion of the belly the pan covers. I will see if I
> can find the metal cable clips you mention. Again Thank You for
> your advice. It is invaluable to have the experience available
> through this Kitfox Thread. Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
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I am currently using Carlisle Turf Glide tires (18 x 8.50-8) on my Model IV. I'm
ready for my third set after twelve years (400 hours). I'm not sure if this
is good wear for the tires but most of my landings are on hard surfaces. This
is the set-up that came with the kit in 1994.
I'm ready to go with the same tire because I really have no complaints. However,
I am open to any recommendations from the list. I think it would be nice
to have a split rim so I could change the tire myself. When I try to change
the tires on my current aluminum rims I begin to damage the rim so I go to a local
tire dealer and let them do the job.
Mike Chaney
Kitfox IV
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I have a tool i made to break the bead ,
pretty simple to change tires now
If i was not handy enough to make tool I would go to ATV dealer or tire shop that
could do them.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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Good morning all,
I am having a heck of a time getting the Pennzoil 2-stroke
air cooled oil. The best price I've been able to get was $40/case of
24 pints + $10 shipping at oil-store.com. I was also told by a
Pennzoil distributor that the 16oz. has been discontinued and that
sooner or later I'll have to use 8oz. bottles, with the attendant
higher price and waste. Therefore, would anyone care to recommend a
non-Pennzoil oil for the 582?
Thank you,
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Aluminum Belly Pan |
George, I can get JB Weld locally in small quantities that I need. Why not
use JB Weld? I have found a 3/8" BX electric steel strap that I drill out t
he hole to accept a #10-24 aluminun rivetnut. Looks like the ticket.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
Kitfox-List: Aluminum Belly PanTo: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Aircraft Spruce carries Loctite Hysol 9430. Hysol 9460 is what was used by
Kitfox. What the different is that the 9460 is dark gray in color and is a
50 / 50 mix. The 9430 is white in color (close to airframe color white) an
d mixes 4 to 1 (actually 100 to 23, but works perfect at 4 to 1). The 9430
has higher peel and shear strenght properties. It works with glass bubbles
and flocked cotton and near impossible to remove by force without destroyin
g the aluminum, wood or thin steel.
George
----- Original Message ----From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>To: kitfox
-list@matronics.comSent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:27:06 AMSubject: Re: Ki
on <lynnmatt@jps.net>The brand that was prevalent when I built in '04-06 wa
s Hysol. It looks a LOT like J-B Weld, and some have suggested that it is,
but I'm not sure. I'd rather see the name that I trust on the can than w
ish later that I had. I'm sure John McBean supplies Hysol, or locally you
can probably get it at an industrial supplier.Lynn MattesonGrass Lake, Mic
higanKitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200flying w/460+ hrsOn Jan 20, 2008, at
2:57 PM, patrick reilly wrote:> Lynn, I like the idea of tabs to secure th
e belly pan. I also like > epoxy attachment. I could also weld the tabs on
. The front cross > tube on my Mod 3 had the lower firewall screwed or riv
eted directly > into that tube. It was not attached when I got the plane.
It just > has the holes in the firewall and tube. What brand of epoxy do y
ou > recommend for the clips. The paint would need to be removed in the >
area where it was epoxied and repainted. At least I think most > epoxies
require clean metal for attachment. I didn't plan on fabric > covering tha
t portion of the belly the pan covers. I will see if I > can find the meta
l cable clips you mention. Again Thank You for > your advice. It is inval
uable to have the experience available > through this Kitfox Thread.
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Guy, I recommend AMSOIL. They have a premix and an injector oil I have used
it in everything from a Kohler 30 HP engine on an ultralite & various 2 st
roke race motorcycles to a 1/6 HP weed whip at the 100 to 1 Ratio for over
20 years. It is the only 2 stroke oil I will use except for break-in of a b
rand new engine. I use what ever the mfg. recommends for break-in for obvio
us reasons.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford,IL > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:59:23 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matron
ics.com; rotaxengines-list@matronics.com> From: bnn@nethere.com> Subject: K
<bnn@nethere.com>> > Good morning all,> I am having a heck of a time getti
ng the Pennzoil 2-stroke > air cooled oil. The best price I've been able to
get was $40/case of > 24 pints + $10 shipping at oil-store.com. I was also
told by a > Pennzoil distributor that the 16oz. has been discontinued and
that > sooner or later I'll have to use 8oz. bottles, with the attendant >
higher price and waste. Therefore, would anyone care to recommend a > non-P
ennzoil oil for the 582?> > Thank you,> > > Guy Buchanan> San Diego, CA> K-
=======================> > >
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| Subject: | Re: 2-stroke Oil |
Simple solution, Use Bombardier XPS mineral oil
it is API TC rated an sold at all Ski doo and Sea doo dealers.
You can buy it in containers or bring your own and buy bulk.
My Current 582 has 380 hours on it and never been apart.
Current spark plugs have 14 hours on them and I checked one yesterday.
Look like they got 10 hours on them.
I use what works and in this case I will continue to do it this way.
Pennzoil for air cooleds in my opinion is about the same . Just stay away from
outboard oil that is TCw# rated and not API TC rated .
Synthetics use only if you use you r plane at least twice a week and live in a
dry climate. If not I be happy to sell you a crank.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: wheel base of classicIV |
Many thanks.
Dwight Purdy
Model II
At 07:38 AM 1/21/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Dwight, 56" center to center on my Classic 4 tires. The book says 56.5"
>
>--------
>Tom Jones
>Classic IV, Phase one
>503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
>Ellensburg, WA
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159544#159544
>
>
>--
>9:39 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Belly Pan |
Good question? I would be more inclined to use an epoxy that as been tested to
high standards and is ASTM compliant. I suppose I would not get worried XYZ glue
failed on something that doesn't matter.
----- Original Message ----
From: patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:18:10 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Belly Pan
George, I can get JB Weld locally in small quantities that I need. Why not use
JB Weld? I have found a 3/8" BX electric steel strap that I drill out the hole
to accept a #10-24 aluminun rivetnut. Looks like the ticket.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
From: michaega@verizon.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Belly Pan
Aircraft Spruce carries Loctite Hysol 9430. Hysol 9460 is what was used by Kitfox.
What the different is that the 9460 is dark gray in color and is a 50 / 50
mix. The 9430 is white in color (close to airframe color white) and mixes 4
to 1 (actually 100 to 23, but works perfect at 4 to 1). The 9430 has higher peel
and shear strenght properties. It works with glass bubbles and flocked cotton
and near impossible to remove by force without destroying the aluminum, wood
or thin steel.
George
----- Original Message ----
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:27:06 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Belly Pan
The brand that was prevalent when I built in '04-06 was Hysol. It
looks a LOT like J-B Weld, and some have suggested that it is, but
I'm not sure. I'd rather see the name that I trust on the can than
wish later that I had. I'm sure John McBean supplies Hysol, or
locally you can probably get it at an industrial supplier.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
On Jan 20, 2008, at 2:57 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, I like the idea of tabs to secure the belly pan. I also like
> epoxy attachment. I could also weld the tabs on. The front cross
> tube on my Mod 3 had the lower firewall screwed or riveted directly
> into that tube. It was not attached when I got the plane. It just
> has the holes in the firewall and tube. What brand of epoxy do you
> recommend for the clips. The paint would need to be removed in the
> area where it was epoxied and repainted. At least I think most
> epoxies require clean metal for attachment. I didn't plan on fabric
> covering that portion of the belly the pan covers. I will see if I
> can find the metal cable clips you mention. Again Thank You for
> your advice. It is invaluable to have the experience available
> through this Kitfox Thread.
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| Subject: | Re: 2-stroke Oil |
Guy,
CPS has AV-2. It is really the cleanest burning stuff that I've run across.
CPS has it in 5 gallon buckets which is quite economical.
www.800-airwolf.com
John Alexander
Woodland, CA
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:59:23 -0800, Guy Buchanan wrote
>
> Good morning all,
> I am having a heck of a time getting the Pennzoil 2-stroke
> air cooled oil. The best price I've been able to get was $40/case of
> 24 pints + $10 shipping at oil-store.com. I was also told by a
> Pennzoil distributor that the 16oz. has been discontinued and that
> sooner or later I'll have to use 8oz. bottles, with the attendant
> higher price and waste. Therefore, would anyone care to recommend a
> non-Pennzoil oil for the 582?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
--
Beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy. - Ben Franklin
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Belly Pan |
If you need larger quantities of Hysol - or any of the loctite products, you can get them at http://www.ellsworth.com
John Alexander
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:37:07 -0800 (PST), SUE MICHAELS wrote
> Aircraft Spruce carries Loctite Hysol 9430. Hysol 9460 is what was used by Kitfox.What
the different is that the9460 is dark gray in color and is a 50 / 50
mix. The 9430 is white in color(close to airframe color white) and mixes 4 to
1 (actually 100 to 23, but works perfect at 4 to 1). The 9430 has higher peel
and shear strenght properties. It works with glass bubbles and flocked cotton
and near impossible to remove by force without destroying the aluminum, wood
or thin steel.
>
> George
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:27:06 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Belly Pan
>
>
> The brand that was prevalent when I built in '04-06 was Hysol. It
> looks a LOT like J-B Weld, and some have suggested that it is, but
> I'm not sure. I'd rather see the name that I trust on the can than
> wish later that I had. I'm sure John McBean supplies Hysol, or
> locally you can probably get it at an industrial supplier.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/460+ hrs
>
> On Jan 20, 2008, at 2:57 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
>
> > Lynn, I like the idea of tabs to secure the belly pan. I also like
> > epoxy attachment. I could also weld the tabs on. The front cross
> > tube on my Mod 3 had the lower firewall screwed or riveted directly
> > into that tube. It was not attached when I got the plane. It just
> > has the holes in the firewall and tube. What brand of epoxy do you
> > recommend for the clips. The paint would need to be removed in the
> > area where it was epoxied and repainted. At least I think most
> > epoxies require clean metal for attachment. I didn't plan on fabric
> > covering that portion of the belly the pan covers. I will see if I
> > can find the metal cable clips you mention. Again Thank You for
> > your advice. It is invaluable to have the experience available
> > through this Kitfox Thread.
>
>
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Guy, I always bought mine from Tractor Supply (TSC) in one gallon containers
and it was very economical compared to buying it in the 16 oz units. It's
been quite awhile though, so I don't know if they still carry it like that.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:59 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 2-stroke Oil
>
> Good morning all,
> I am having a heck of a time getting the Pennzoil 2-stroke air
> cooled oil. The best price I've been able to get was $40/case of 24 pints
> + $10 shipping at oil-store.com. I was also told by a Pennzoil distributor
> that the 16oz. has been discontinued and that sooner or later I'll have to
> use 8oz. bottles, with the attendant higher price and waste. Therefore,
> would anyone care to recommend a non-Pennzoil oil for the 582?
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2-stroke Oil |
Dave, My experience over 20 years with AMSOIL has been nothing but positive
. You state that you don't like synthetics with your 582. What experience h
ave you had with synthetic oil that prompts your advice? I value your advic
e. Maybe, I will have to switch to the oil you are recommending.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford,IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 2-stroke Oil> From: dave@cfisher.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:51:33 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > -
ion, Use Bombardier XPS mineral oil > it is API TC rated an sold at all Ski
doo and Sea doo dealers.> > You can buy it in containers or bring your own
and buy bulk. > > My Current 582 has 380 hours on it and never been apart.
> Current spark plugs have 14 hours on them and I checked one yesterday.> L
ook like they got 10 hours on them. > > I use what works and in this case I
will continue to do it this way. > Pennzoil for air cooleds in my opinion
is about the same . Just stay away from outboard oil that is TCw# rated and
not API TC rated .> > > Synthetics use only if you use you r plane at leas
t twice a week and live in a dry climate. If not I be happy to sell you a c
rank.> > --------> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada> Flying Videos and Kitfox I
nfo> http://www.cfisher.com/> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http:
=======================> > >
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| Subject: | Re: 2-stroke Oil |
Guy Buchanan wrote:
>
> Good morning all,
> I am having a heck of a time getting the Pennzoil 2-stroke air
> cooled oil. The best price I've been able to get was $40/case of 24
> pints + $10 shipping at oil-store.com. I was also told by a Pennzoil
> distributor that the 16oz. has been discontinued and that sooner or
> later I'll have to use 8oz. bottles, with the attendant higher price
> and waste. Therefore, would anyone care to recommend a non-Pennzoil
> oil for the 582?
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
> Go To Walmart,,they have Pennzoil 2 stroke oil.I use Rotax 2 stroke
> oil in my KF2..Steve Shinabery N554KF kf 2
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2-stroke Oil |
> Dave, My experience over 20 years with AMSOIL has been nothing but positive.
You state that you don't like synthetics with your 582. What experience have you
had with synthetic oil that prompts your advice? I value your advice. Maybe,
I will have to switch to the oil you are recommending.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 Rebuild
> Rockford,IL
>
Pat I have over 35 year with 2 strokes and have used synthetic in some applications
ie exhaust valv racing etc. There is no question that some synthetics
do a great job providing lubrication.
But they do not provide the corrosion protection you get with mineral oil.
If you use you engine several time s a week and/or live in the desert or a very
dry climate you might do better than others.
What is the advantage of Amsoil or any synthetic ? We use mostly Bombardier XPS
here for injected engines and rotax pre mix for pre mix.
just make sure it is API tc rated and if you insist on synthetics then when not
in use you better buy some fogging oil or someone will be selling you a crank
.
Thousands of Rotax cranks are sold annually , why ?
Alot of bearing failures stem from corrosion. Imagine any roller or Ball bearing
with a bit of rust on it not to mention the races of the bearing then spin
them at 6000 rpm and see how long that galled bearing endures the not so
smooth ride. Yes failure imminent.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159667#159667
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| Subject: | Re: 2-stroke Oil |
All,
Two major things to be aware of if you change your 2-stroke oil in a 582.
- Use the same oil for both your oil injection (or pre-mix) and for the RV
shaft fluid. If you change oils, your oil injection / fuel lines and the RV
shaft lube system should get a very good flush - or preferably, do a full
engine teardown. It is not that expensive and should be done about every 150
hours anyway.
- Beware of switching from synthetic to non-synthetic oils. In some cases,
they are not compatable and mixing the two will result in a gummy sludge.
This could really bite you if you have oil injection. The ports in the oil
pump are small.
If your oil works for you, doesn't rapidly foul the plugs and stick the rings
and build up overly on the piston dome/cylinder head, stick with it.
John Alexander
Woodland, CA
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| Subject: | Re: 2-stroke Oil |
At 02:34 PM 1/21/2008, you wrote:
>Guy, I always bought mine from Tractor Supply (TSC) in one gallon
>containers and it was very economical compared to buying it in the
>16 oz units. It's been quite awhile though, so I don't know if
>they still carry it like that.
Thanks Deke. It looks like they don't carry it anymore.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: 2-stroke Oil |
At 04:05 PM 1/21/2008, you wrote:
>Go To Walmart,,they have Pennzoil 2 stroke oil.I use Rotax 2 stroke
>oil in my KF2..Steve Shinabery N554KF kf 2
Wow. Wouldn't that be great. I'll check it out. I wonder if I have to
flush the system to go from the blue air cooled engine oil to the red
Premium Outboard.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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